New Article by John Armstrong

[W. Tracy Parnell]

1 hour ago, Mark Lawson said:

FWIIW: Veciana is reported to be a native Spanish speaker.  In British English, Maurice is usually pronounced "Morris," versus the French "More-ESE."  Bishop/Phillips *may* have used the former pronunciation.  In any event, if whoever made the audio transcript heard "Morris," then there's a good chance they would have spelled it phonetically.  ML

OK, I can buy that. But how do you explain Jim and John which he apparently told the Church Committee?

[Mark Lawson]

17 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

...how do you explain Jim and John which he apparently told the Church Committee?

No explanation - unless he is as bad at remembering names as I am (no joke).  ML

[Jim Hargrove]

All the H&L deniers can do is to say people like Veciana, whose statements clearly indicate there was more than one LHO, are lying, along with witnesses such as Dr. Milton Kurian, Allen Felde, Linda Faircloth, Marita Lorenz, Frank Kudlaty, Fran Schubert, Aletha Frair, Laura Kittrell, Ralph Leon Yates, Fred Moore, half the residents of Alice, Texas and vicintiy, and many others I'm undoubtedly forgetting.  

These people are not making mere "mistakes;" their statements are far too detailed and elaborate. Perhaps Jack White can be blamed for all of them. There is another long list of witnesses who have to be seriously mistaken.  
 

[W. Tracy Parnell]

3 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

All the H&L deniers can do is to say people like Veciana, whose statements clearly indicate there was more than one LHO, are lying, along with witnesses such as Dr. Milton Kurian, Allen Felde, Linda Faircloth, Marita Lorenz, Frank Kudlaty, Fran Schubert, Aletha Frair, Laura Kittrell, Ralph Leon Yates, Fred Moore, half the residents of Alice, Texas and vicintiy, and many others I'm undoubtedly forgetting.  

These people are not making mere "mistakes;" their statements are far too detailed and elaborate. Perhaps Jack White can be blamed for all of them. There is another long list of witnesses who have to be seriously mistaken.  
 

Some of the witnesses probably are lying. People do it all the time for various reasons. Some are certainly mistaken-Palmer McBride comes to mind immediately and also Dr. Kurian. Another group are recent witnesses that Armstrong approached in the nineties. The problems with those witnesses are numerous. For one thing, he did not approach them with an unbiased mind. Instead of using a journalist's technique, he found them and informed them that they were witnesses to history and no doubt used leading questioning. Of course, 40 or more years had passed since the events they were trying to recall which is another problem. And then there is the case of Kudlaty who was a friend of Jack White. Kudlaty had never said a word about the FBI taking any records but when White told his story, Kudlaty suddenly "remembered" the alleged incident. This has all been discussed here many times and anyone who needs more information can do a forum search.

[Mark Lawson]

On 8/8/2018 at 7:23 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

... We’ve debated here for years about whether there were one, two, or even more “Lee Harvey Oswalds.”

As Jefferson Morley writes in The Ghost: "Washington circa 1961 was a unique place in the history of the world.  Never had there been a country so dominant, so wealthy, so influential, so attractive, and so feared as the United States of America.  Never had the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps, as well as the new multibillion-dollar intelligence agencies, the CIA, the NSA, and the DIA, been so fully funded." (p. 101)

Some of these organizations and agencies, and to some extent the FBI, had been tracking Oswald since 1959 or before.  For a detailed view of the manpower and money the CIA spent in playing convoluted (albeit deadly) games with Oswald and his intelligence "legend" - particularly regarding his purported September 1963 trip to Mexico City - see Bill Simpich's seven-part e-book State Secret: Wiretapping in Mexico City, Double Agents, and the Framing of Lee Oswald. It is an eye-opening source of information on the convoluted inside workings of the CIA: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret_Preface.html

Simpich writes in the Conclusion to State Secret:  "... I am convinced that the impersonation of Oswald is a historical fact...."

If one is willing to accept Simpich's thesis that the Bill Harvey/David Morales Miami JMWAVE crew was sophisticated enough to sucker Win Scott, possibly David Atlee Phillips, and also James "The Cadaver" Angleton and his whole CI/SIG apparatus, with the "Two Oswalds" in Mexico City story; then it is not too much of a stretch to give credence to Jim Armstrong's own "Two Marguerite" and "Two Lee Harvey" Oswalds theories, positing that the late-1940s OSS survivors in the newly formed CIA (including Angleton and soon to include Allen Dulles) were sophisticated enough to begin the process of blending the identities of two boys who, at that time, were only somewhere between six and eight years old.  See: http://harveyandlee.net/Moms/Moms.html

Of course, for Armstrong's scenario to work, the boys - most fortuitously - would have had to look alike; and Robert Oswald would have had to cooperate in the ruse as well.  In any case, Armstrong has conducted quite a number of primary interviews, and scoured various real property, school and similar records, and the glaring discrepancies he cites have to be explained somehow.  As I read more of his work, I am willing to keep an open mind as to its credence.  Strictly FWIIW.  ML

[W. Tracy Parnell]

12 hours ago, Mark Lawson said:

In any case, Armstrong has conducted quite a number of primary interviews, and scoured various real property, school and similar records, and the glaring discrepancies he cites have to be explained somehow.

All of the discrepancies have a reasonable alternate explanation. One thing you have to understand about witnesses-especially those speaking 40 or more years later is that they are essentially worthless without collaborating evidence. Particularly true when there is other evidence that refutes them. Palmer McBride is the gold standard for what I talking about. He knew LHO and there is no doubt about that. He was just mistaken about when some of the events he witnessed took place. David Lifton interviewed McBride and did exactly what the WC would have done if he had testified-showed him documentation that proved he was mistaken. And McBride immediately recanted. But what Armstrong did and does with other witnesses is convince them they are an important part of history. And McBride was very receptive to the idea that he was not mistaken after all-who wouldn't be? So, he reversed himself.

As further evidence of witness unreliability, when David Matt and Richard Sweat escaped from prison in upstate New York a few years back, police received hundreds of reports that they were in Allegany county. Turns out they had never left the Adirondack region near the prison they escaped from hundreds of miles away. Were those people lying? Some possibly were, but most were  just mistaken.

As for records, there will be any number of mistakes in records, especially when a family moves as much as LHO's did. 20 plus moves is a lot of opportunity for mistakes to creep into the record.

[James DiEugenio]

Wow.  Parnell first accuses Armstrong of approaching a witness with a confirmation bias. No no says Parnell.

But then Lifton comes in to see McBride with guns blazing, Gary Mack type "You are a damned xxxx" zealotry, and Presto!  That's cool.

My God Parnell.

Give us all a break.

From the guy who said a long time ago, "Well, Vincent DiMaio is an objective expert."

 LOL!

 

Edited August 10, 2018 by James DiEugenio

[W. Tracy Parnell]

2 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Wow.  Parnell first accuses Armstrong of approaching a witness with a confirmation bias. No no says Parnell.

But then Lifton comes in to see McBride with guns blazing, Gary Mack type "You are a damned xxxx" zealotry, and Presto!  That's cool.

My God Parnell.

Give us all a break.

From the guy who said a long time ago, "Well, Vincent DiMaio is an objective expert."

 LOL!

 

You can find a partial transcript of Lifton's interview with McBride on the Internet. It comes across IMO as very journalistic not "guns blazing" at all. And I don't remember saying DiMaio was objective-just that he was an expert.

[James DiEugenio]

Oh baloney.

You got blindsided because you did not know what DiMaio had done in Dealey Plaza to stop the laser test that CNN had arranged.

That is trying to rearrange the models in the car into a position they were not in in the Z film.

Any "authority" is fine with Parnell.

(I won't even comment on Lifton's "objectivity".)

Edited August 10, 2018 by James DiEugenio

[Jim Hargrove]

15 hours ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

And then there is the case of Kudlaty who was a friend of Jack White. Kudlaty had never said a word about the FBI taking any records but when White told his story, Kudlaty suddenly "remembered" the alleged incident. This has all been discussed here many times and anyone who needs more information can do a forum search.

Oh for crying out loud!  Mr. Parnell is desperate to discredit Oswald’s attendance at Stripling School because it is obviously impossible for one Oswald to have attended there and to have the school records published by the Warren Commission. So he not only claims assistant principal Frank Kudlaty was lying about giving LHO’s records to the FBI, but that Jack White put him up to it!  And Mr. Parnell ignores all the other evidence supporting Mr. Kudlaty’s claim. 

For example, on two occasions, once in 1959 and again in 1962, Robert Oswald told newspaper reporters that his younger brother attended Stripling School.  This is from the June 8, 1962 Fort Worth Star-Telegram.  Read the last paragraph.

 

 

Stripling assistant principal Frank Kudlaty in 1963 met FBI agent at the school and gave them “Lee Harvey Oswald’s” Stripling records. Those records also all disappeared. Mr. Kudlaty's YouTube interview is here.

In 1959 a Fort Worth newspaper also said that LHO attended Stripling.  See that article here.

Robert Oswald testified to the Warren Commission that his “brother” attended Stripling. 

Harvey Oswald’s classmate Fran Schubert said she attended Stripling with Oswald and watched him walk home from Stripling to his house at 2220 Thomas Place. See Fran's YouTube interview with John here.

In the 1990s, Stripling School principal Ricardo Galindo told John that it was “common knowledge” that “Lee Harvey Oswald” attended Stripling.  Not one “researcher” here has made an effort to contact Galindo to see if he is still alive and if he would repeat his claim.

John also spoke to local student Bobby Pitts, who remembered that Oswald attended Stripling with his younger brother and that he (Bobby) remembered seeing (Harvey) Oswald standing on the porch at 2220 Thomas Place, directly across the street from Stripling.  John also spoke with former Stripling student Doug Gann, who attended ninth grade at Stripling with Harvey and remembered that he live “across the street from the basketball courts and one or two houses to the left,” which exactly describes 2220 Thomas Place, where “Marguerite Oswald” lived at the time of the assassination of JFK.  H&L critics have not one bit of interest in any of these witnesses.  They just want to describe them as liars.

H&L critics have no explanation why a Forth Worth Star-Telegram article from November 2017 would indicate that Oswald’s “teachers and classmates remember him at Stripling, though there is no official record.”  Read the article here.

The H&L critics are forced to say that all the witnesses above are lying or just wrong, because the critics know that, according to the official timeline of the Warren Commission, "Lee Harvey Oswald" could not have attended Stripling School. Either all this evidence is invented, or there were two Lee Harvey Oswalds. 

Really, Mr. Parnell.  I can't stop you from besmirching the memory of the late Jack White for your own personal reasons, but you might have the decency to acknowledge all the other evidence for Oswald's attendance at Stripling School while you're doing so.

 

 

[W. Tracy Parnell]

3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Oh baloney.

You got blindsided because you did not know what DiMaio had done in Dealey Plaza to stop the laser test that CNN had arranged.

That is trying to rearrange the models in the car into a position they were not in in the Z film.

Any "authority" is fine with Parnell.

(I won't even comment on Lifton's "objectivity".)

Jim,

You always want to change the subject to DiMaio no matter what the subject is. But we are talking about witnesses as they relate to H&L. And you can't equate DiMaio, who is an expert even though you don't agree with him (or believe he is a member of the evil "power elite"), with the people Armstrong dug up. These are people 40 years after the fact who may or may not have even been in a position to see what they think they did.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Oh for crying out loud!  Mr. Parnell is desperate to discredit Oswald’s attendance at Stripling School because it is obviously impossible for one Oswald to have attended there and to have the school records published by the Warren Commission. So he not only claims assistant principal Frank Kudlaty was lying about giving LHO’s records to the FBI, but that Jack White put him up to it!  And Mr. Parnell ignores all the other evidence supporting Mr. Kudlaty’s claim. 

For example, on two occasions, once in 1959 and again in 1962, Robert Oswald told newspaper reporters that his younger brother attended Stripling School.  This is from the June 8, 1962 Fort Worth Star-Telegram.  

Kudlaty was not necessarily lying. He heard White's story and then "remembered" his experience with the FBI, no doubt differently than it was because of White's influence. If Kudlaty had come forward independently, if would give greater weight to his statements. Of course, we have been over Robert's statements about Stripling before. He assumed that his brother attended Stripling. And he would have if Marguerite had not moved them to NYC.

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/robert-oswald-and-stripling.html

[James DiEugenio]

Mr. Parnell:

That is five people who said it.  Not just Kudlaty.

 

 

[Jim Hargrove]

1 hour ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

Of course, we have been over Robert's statements about Stripling before. He assumed that his brother attended Stripling. And he would have if Marguerite had not moved them to NYC.

From Harvey and Lee:

I considered the possibility that Robert assumed that his brother entered Stripling after finishing elementary school, because this was the same school he (Robert) attended in the fall of 1948. But if Lee Oswald and his mother had remained in Fort Worth in the fall of 1952, Lee would have transferred to nearby Monnig Junior High, not Stripling.  [H&L, p. 94]

Now please address ALL the evidence for Stripling School, not just one element at a time.  How many people are lying?

[W. Tracy Parnell]

1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

From Harvey and Lee:

I considered the possibility that Robert assumed that his brother entered Stripling after finishing elementary school, because this was the same school he (Robert) attended in the fall of 1948. But if Lee Oswald and his mother had remained in Fort Worth in the fall of 1952, Lee would have transferred to nearby Monnig Junior High, not Stripling.  [H&L, p. 94]

Now please address ALL the evidence for Stripling School, not just one element at a time.  How many people are lying?

The funny thing is Robert (or the fake Marguerite) wasn't very well versed on the plot it seems, even though Armstrong believes he was in on it. This is one of the biggest points against the H&L theory-the conspirators didn't know what they were doing and kept goofing up even though the CIA would have presumably trained them so geniuses like Armstrong could not discover their handiwork years later.

How many witnesses are lying? In this instance probably zero. They could be remembering an Oswald at Stripling, but if so it was Robert-after that many years the memory gets hazy. But Armstrong thinks that people remember mundane events in vivid detail years after the fact when they have no reason to. In other words, I can remember what I was doing when JFK was shot, but I don't remember the day before at all.