Greg Parker Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 Greg,Buried in the Dallas assassination archives is the original of a memo from OA Jones to Chief Stevenson and Captain Fritz. The date is listed as "unknown". A copy of this however, is also in the archives, and it gives the date as Nov 22, 1963.[3] The text of the Memo is reproduced here: To: Chief Stevenson Captain Fritz Subject: Information on threats against President Kennedy The wife of Detective RE Abbott said that a former employee at Parkland Hospital was heard by Mrs Johnson on the admission desk and a orderly named HOSEY saying that President Kennedy would be killed. The former employee was a Cuban. His name can be furnished by Mr Morgan, who is Mrs Abbott's supervisor. OA Jones Captain of Police It is a pity Weisberg did not know of this memo at the time he was writing Whitewash. It seems to have gone largely unnoticed or ignored ever since. I think I may have a little something for you. Robert E. Abbott was a Detective in the Criminal Investigation Division, Forgery Bureau. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=165 The memo to M.W. Stevenson was from Captain O.A. Jones, the Head of the Forgery Bureau. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/03/0399-001.gif The Price Exhibit 2-35 are statements of various Parkland Hospital employees concerning the events of November 22-24. They can be found in volume 21 of the WC Hearings. On page 249 of this Exhibit, is the report of Ass't Administrator Bob Holcomb concerning the shooting of Oswald on the 24th. In it, ...says that Admitting Orderly Holse was in the morgue. Holse is mentioned at least three times on that page. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=273 Since Cap't Jones memo says that Mrs. Johnson was on the admissions desk, I'm willing to bet that Admitting Orderly, Holse is the orderly in question. Steve Thomas In line with Mark's observation, couldn't be Jose [Hosey - or really, HOE-seh] Reyse could it? http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n2/v4n2contents.doc - lee Lee, it's possible, but I have some doubts about it on reflection. Would a Texan really misspell Jose as Hosey? I think Steve is most likely right, given Holse is close (if pronounced as "Holsie") and the fact that he had the right job in the right area of the hospital. This person should be tracked down if still alive. It surely couldn't be that hard to find him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Forman Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 MCCOY, HOSEY L, Died 1972, TEXAS, HOSEY L MCCOY. To: Chief Stevenson Captain Fritz Subject: Information on threats against President Kennedy The wife of Detective RE Abbott said that a former employee at Parkland Hospital [Cuban - unknown] was heard by Mrs Johnson [159 Nurse Johnson] the admission desk and a[n] orderly named HOSEY [Hosey Lee McCoy - deceased] saying that President Kennedy would be killed. The former employee was a Cuban. His name can be furnished by Mr Morgan [?] who is Mrs Abbott's supervisor. OA Jones Captain of Police Looking glum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 What's the deal with the malware warning I keep getting for the reopenjfkcase site? Making friends and influencing people too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) What's the deal with the malware warning I keep getting for the reopenjfkcase site? Making friends and influencing people too much? Hey, I just learned two new words. And this is an Educational site, right? Malware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware "a p;ortmanteau from the wods malicious and software, is software designed to infiltrate or damage a computer system without the owner's informed consent... Portmanteau: "...a blend of two or more words,...function words..." [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau[/ur] Sounds like Greg is on to something. Edited June 30, 2009 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Lee, I'd Forgotten about James' tip on it possibly being McCoy... reviewing the thread (better late than never!) I'll have to recant on it being Holse and go with HLM. And yes. His death is glum news. If the Cuban could be identified, I think regardless of whether he (the Cuban) is dead or alive, his associations would point to who the prime suspects should be re Dealey Plaza. David, it is the second site I've had that has been hit. I have no evidence which would support it having anything to do with the content. Regardless, I am determined not to give up. I have started another site, and I have reasonable grounds to believe this one will be well enough protected. The site is here: http://reopenkennedycase.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Lee, I'd Forgotten about James' tip on it possibly being McCoy... reviewing the thread (better late than never!) I'll have to recant on it being Holse and go with HLM. And yes. His death is glum news. If the Cuban could be identified, I think regardless of whether he (the Cuban) is dead or alive, his associations would point to who the prime suspects should be re Dealey Plaza. David, it is the second site I've had that has been hit. I have no evidence which would support it having anything to do with the content. Regardless, I am determined not to give up. I have started another site, and I have reasonable grounds to believe this one will be well enough protected. The site is here: http://reopenkennedycase.weebly.com/ This should help, I suspect he is the same person who is listed on the following URL as being in Voorhees, Nj http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Rodolfo_Godinez.html November 5, 1962 Dallas Morning News Club Activities Inwood Lions, noon Thursday, El Chico Cafe, 165 Inwood Village Dr. Rodolfo Godinez, Cuban exile February 23, 1964 Dallas Morning News Medical Services Names Godinez Sales Director Appointment of Rodolfo Godinez as sales director for inhalation therapy equipment for Medical Services Inc., has been announced by Leonard E. Young, president. Located at 3916 Gaston, Medical Services is engaged in sales, service and rentals of oxygen apparatus, all types of medical equipment and sickroom furnishings and supplies. The firm is a member of the American Association of Inhalation Therapists and the Rental Service Association. Born and educated as a physician in Cuba, Dr. Godinez is the author of numerous articles on inhalation therapy, some of which have been translated into English and published in the International Medical Digest. He was director of the inhalation therapy department at Parkland Hospital for 18 months prior to joining Medical Services. He left Havana in 1959 after imprisonment as an anti-communist and later was medical officer for Brigade 2506 during the Bay of Pigs invasion attempt. Born in Havana in 1924, Dr. Godinez attended Jesuit secondary schools until he enrolled in Havana University medical school in 1941. In 1945, while in medical school, he married a public-school English-teacher, a Ph.d in the arts. While in medical school, Dr. Godinez specialized in anesthesia and inhalation therapy. After his graduation in 1948 he was the director of Inhalation Therapy Institute in Havana for four years, and trained under Dr. Alvan L. Barach at the Columbia University Presbyterian Medical Center. He subsequently spent two and a half years at Mount Sinai Medical Hospital in Miami Beach Fla., in the inhalation therapy department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted October 29, 2010 Author Share Posted October 29, 2010 Lee, I'd Forgotten about James' tip on it possibly being McCoy... reviewing the thread (better late than never!) I'll have to recant on it being Holse and go with HLM. And yes. His death is glum news. If the Cuban could be identified, I think regardless of whether he (the Cuban) is dead or alive, his associations would point to who the prime suspects should be re Dealey Plaza. David, it is the second site I've had that has been hit. I have no evidence which would support it having anything to do with the content. Regardless, I am determined not to give up. I have started another site, and I have reasonable grounds to believe this one will be well enough protected. The site is here: http://reopenkennedycase.weebly.com/ This should help, I suspect he is the same person who is listed on the following URL as being in Voorhees, Nj http://www.vitals.co...fo_Godinez.html November 5, 1962 Dallas Morning News Club Activities Inwood Lions, noon Thursday, El Chico Cafe, 165 Inwood Village Dr. Rodolfo Godinez, Cuban exile February 23, 1964 Dallas Morning News Medical Services Names Godinez Sales Director Appointment of Rodolfo Godinez as sales director for inhalation therapy equipment for Medical Services Inc., has been announced by Leonard E. Young, president. Located at 3916 Gaston, Medical Services is engaged in sales, service and rentals of oxygen apparatus, all types of medical equipment and sickroom furnishings and supplies. The firm is a member of the American Association of Inhalation Therapists and the Rental Service Association. Born and educated as a physician in Cuba, Dr. Godinez is the author of numerous articles on inhalation therapy, some of which have been translated into English and published in the International Medical Digest. He was director of the inhalation therapy department at Parkland Hospital for 18 months prior to joining Medical Services. He left Havana in 1959 after imprisonment as an anti-communist and later was medical officer for Brigade 2506 during the Bay of Pigs invasion attempt. Born in Havana in 1924, Dr. Godinez attended Jesuit secondary schools until he enrolled in Havana University medical school in 1941. In 1945, while in medical school, he married a public-school English-teacher, a Ph.d in the arts. While in medical school, Dr. Godinez specialized in anesthesia and inhalation therapy. After his graduation in 1948 he was the director of Inhalation Therapy Institute in Havana for four years, and trained under Dr. Alvan L. Barach at the Columbia University Presbyterian Medical Center. He subsequently spent two and a half years at Mount Sinai Medical Hospital in Miami Beach Fla., in the inhalation therapy department Robert, I don't know how you keep juggling all these threads, but I'm glad you do. This is a great find! I need to start synthesising all the info in this thread... BTW, have tried to email you a number of times lately... all rejected by your server... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Lee, I'd Forgotten about James' tip on it possibly being McCoy... reviewing the thread (better late than never!) I'll have to recant on it being Holse and go with HLM. And yes. His death is glum news. If the Cuban could be identified, I think regardless of whether he (the Cuban) is dead or alive, his associations would point to who the prime suspects should be re Dealey Plaza. David, it is the second site I've had that has been hit. I have no evidence which would support it having anything to do with the content. Regardless, I am determined not to give up. I have started another site, and I have reasonable grounds to believe this one will be well enough protected. The site is here: http://reopenkennedycase.weebly.com/ This should help, I suspect he is the same person who is listed on the following URL as being in Voorhees, Nj http://www.vitals.co...fo_Godinez.html November 5, 1962 Dallas Morning News Club Activities Inwood Lions, noon Thursday, El Chico Cafe, 165 Inwood Village Dr. Rodolfo Godinez, Cuban exile February 23, 1964 Dallas Morning News Medical Services Names Godinez Sales Director Appointment of Rodolfo Godinez as sales director for inhalation therapy equipment for Medical Services Inc., has been announced by Leonard E. Young, president. Located at 3916 Gaston, Medical Services is engaged in sales, service and rentals of oxygen apparatus, all types of medical equipment and sickroom furnishings and supplies. The firm is a member of the American Association of Inhalation Therapists and the Rental Service Association. Born and educated as a physician in Cuba, Dr. Godinez is the author of numerous articles on inhalation therapy, some of which have been translated into English and published in the International Medical Digest. He was director of the inhalation therapy department at Parkland Hospital for 18 months prior to joining Medical Services. He left Havana in 1959 after imprisonment as an anti-communist and later was medical officer for Brigade 2506 during the Bay of Pigs invasion attempt. Born in Havana in 1924, Dr. Godinez attended Jesuit secondary schools until he enrolled in Havana University medical school in 1941. In 1945, while in medical school, he married a public-school English-teacher, a Ph.d in the arts. While in medical school, Dr. Godinez specialized in anesthesia and inhalation therapy. After his graduation in 1948 he was the director of Inhalation Therapy Institute in Havana for four years, and trained under Dr. Alvan L. Barach at the Columbia University Presbyterian Medical Center. He subsequently spent two and a half years at Mount Sinai Medical Hospital in Miami Beach Fla., in the inhalation therapy department Robert, I don't know how you keep juggling all these threads, but I'm glad you do. This is a great find! I need to start synthesising all the info in this thread... BTW, have tried to email you a number of times lately... all rejected by your server... Sorry about the e-mail situation buddy, I don't know about my computer, will look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) Lee, I'd Forgotten about James' tip on it possibly being McCoy... reviewing the thread (better late than never!) I'll have to recant on it being Holse and go with HLM. And yes. His death is glum news. If the Cuban could be identified, I think regardless of whether he (the Cuban) is dead or alive, his associations would point to who the prime suspects should be re Dealey Plaza. David, it is the second site I've had that has been hit. I have no evidence which would support it having anything to do with the content. Regardless, I am determined not to give up. I have started another site, and I have reasonable grounds to believe this one will be well enough protected. The site is here: http://reopenkennedycase.weebly.com/ This should help, I suspect he is the same person who is listed on the following URL as being in Voorhees, Nj http://www.vitals.co...fo_Godinez.html November 5, 1962 Dallas Morning News Club Activities Inwood Lions, noon Thursday, El Chico Cafe, 165 Inwood Village Dr. Rodolfo Godinez, Cuban exile February 23, 1964 Dallas Morning News Medical Services Names Godinez Sales Director Appointment of Rodolfo Godinez as sales director for inhalation therapy equipment for Medical Services Inc., has been announced by Leonard E. Young, president. Located at 3916 Gaston, Medical Services is engaged in sales, service and rentals of oxygen apparatus, all types of medical equipment and sickroom furnishings and supplies. The firm is a member of the American Association of Inhalation Therapists and the Rental Service Association. Born and educated as a physician in Cuba, Dr. Godinez is the author of numerous articles on inhalation therapy, some of which have been translated into English and published in the International Medical Digest. He was director of the inhalation therapy department at Parkland Hospital for 18 months prior to joining Medical Services. He left Havana in 1959 after imprisonment as an anti-communist and later was medical officer for Brigade 2506 during the Bay of Pigs invasion attempt. Born in Havana in 1924, Dr. Godinez attended Jesuit secondary schools until he enrolled in Havana University medical school in 1941. In 1945, while in medical school, he married a public-school English-teacher, a Ph.d in the arts. While in medical school, Dr. Godinez specialized in anesthesia and inhalation therapy. After his graduation in 1948 he was the director of Inhalation Therapy Institute in Havana for four years, and trained under Dr. Alvan L. Barach at the Columbia University Presbyterian Medical Center. He subsequently spent two and a half years at Mount Sinai Medical Hospital in Miami Beach Fla., in the inhalation therapy department Robert, I don't know how you keep juggling all these threads, but I'm glad you do. This is a great find! I need to start synthesising all the info in this thread... BTW, have tried to email you a number of times lately... all rejected by your server... Sorry about the e-mail situation buddy, I don't know about my computer, will look into it. Robert, The Dr. Rodolfo Godinez in Voorhees, NJ is an anesthesiologist who got his degree from St. Louis U in 1970s, so its not the same guy, though it could be a son or relative. Voorhees is only 20 miles from me, so if it was him I'd go visit him but its not him. Though it reminds me of a nurse friend's textbook on anesthesiology for beginners, a medical textbook that had a cover photo of a professor at the head of a large class giving an apparently boring lecture because all the students are asleep. (ha ha) BK Edited October 29, 2010 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 (edited) Lee, I'd Forgotten about James' tip on it possibly being McCoy... reviewing the thread (better late than never!) I'll have to recant on it being Holse and go with HLM. And yes. His death is glum news. If the Cuban could be identified, I think regardless of whether he (the Cuban) is dead or alive, his associations would point to who the prime suspects should be re Dealey Plaza. David, it is the second site I've had that has been hit. I have no evidence which would support it having anything to do with the content. Regardless, I am determined not to give up. I have started another site, and I have reasonable grounds to believe this one will be well enough protected. The site is here: http://reopenkennedycase.weebly.com/ This should help, I suspect he is the same person who is listed on the following URL as being in Voorhees, Nj http://www.vitals.co...fo_Godinez.html November 5, 1962 Dallas Morning News Club Activities Inwood Lions, noon Thursday, El Chico Cafe, 165 Inwood Village Dr. Rodolfo Godinez, Cuban exile February 23, 1964 Dallas Morning News Medical Services Names Godinez Sales Director Appointment of Rodolfo Godinez as sales director for inhalation therapy equipment for Medical Services Inc., has been announced by Leonard E. Young, president. Located at 3916 Gaston, Medical Services is engaged in sales, service and rentals of oxygen apparatus, all types of medical equipment and sickroom furnishings and supplies. The firm is a member of the American Association of Inhalation Therapists and the Rental Service Association. Born and educated as a physician in Cuba, Dr. Godinez is the author of numerous articles on inhalation therapy, some of which have been translated into English and published in the International Medical Digest. He was director of the inhalation therapy department at Parkland Hospital for 18 months prior to joining Medical Services. He left Havana in 1959 after imprisonment as an anti-communist and later was medical officer for Brigade 2506 during the Bay of Pigs invasion attempt. Born in Havana in 1924, Dr. Godinez attended Jesuit secondary schools until he enrolled in Havana University medical school in 1941. In 1945, while in medical school, he married a public-school English-teacher, a Ph.d in the arts. While in medical school, Dr. Godinez specialized in anesthesia and inhalation therapy. After his graduation in 1948 he was the director of Inhalation Therapy Institute in Havana for four years, and trained under Dr. Alvan L. Barach at the Columbia University Presbyterian Medical Center. He subsequently spent two and a half years at Mount Sinai Medical Hospital in Miami Beach Fla., in the inhalation therapy department Robert, I don't know how you keep juggling all these threads, but I'm glad you do. This is a great find! I need to start synthesising all the info in this thread... BTW, have tried to email you a number of times lately... all rejected by your server... Sorry about the e-mail situation buddy, I don't know about my computer, will look into it. Robert, The Dr. Rodolfo Godinez in Voorhees, NJ is an anesthesiologist who got his degree from St. Louis U in 1970s, so its not the same guy, though it could be a son or relative. Voorhees is only 20 miles from me, so if it was him I'd go visit him but its not him. Though it reminds me of a nurse friend's textbook on anesthesiology for beginners, a medical textbook that had a cover photo of a professor at the head of a large class giving an apparently boring lecture because all the students are asleep. (ha ha) BK My mistake, did you see the coincidental triple murder suspect with the same name? The story is on the Huffington Post werbsite, definitely not the same Brigade 2506 veteran by several decades, judging by the photo of the defendant. WCD http://www.maryferre....do?docId=11481 WC1085 P Rodolfo Godinez M.D., an employee of the Parkland Hospital, Dallas Hospital District, where he is head of the Inhalation Department, advised on February 5, 1963, he was a former practicing physician in Cuba and was part of the invading native Cuban force in the Cuban invasion of April 1961 Godinez said he had made statements indicating Navarro was pro-Castro. Godinez stated that he did not personally know Navarro and had not personally heard him discuss Cuban politics. He said he had received information from Antonio Crespi which indicated that Navarro had made statements favorable to Castro and that this coupled with the fact of Navarro's late entry into the United States had indicated to him that Navarro was favorable to the Cuban regime http://www.maryferre...1&relPageId=185 Antonio Arturo Hilaro Navarro Aulet voluntarily contacted SA Wallace R. Heitman on February 26, 1963, by telephone and requested an interview. On the same date Navarro appeared at the Dallas office and was interviewed in the Spanish language by SA Heitman . Navarro stated he was born on May 26, 1915 at Cruces, Los Villas, Cuba. He said he presently resides at 1721 Pratt Street, Dallas, and is employed at Curtis-Mathes Company, 2220 Young Street. Navarro said he entered the United States at Miami, Florida on March 2, 1962 with his wife where they joined with their two daughters as Cuban refugees. He said he had previously sent for his two daughters and that they had lived in the homes of friends in Miami until the arrival of their parents. Navarro stated that two of his friends who remained in Cuba to a late date and who were now refugees in the United States and employees of Curtis-Mathes were Jorge Rodriguez who had also been a First Lieutenant in the Cuban militia and Juan Alberada. Both of these individuals are first cousins of Navarro. Navarro said he had fought against Batista in 1936 and had fought against Machado in 1930 or 1931. Navarro said he is completely anti-Communist and has never been a communist nor belonged to any organization which follows communist ideals. Navarro said that he was ready and willing at the present time to assist the United States in any manner whatsoever to fight Communism and that he is grateful to the United States for being in a refugee status here .........Navarro said his wife and children are ardent Catholics and that he is well acquainted with Father McCann of the Catholic Relief Organization in Dallas. Robert: CD 1085, 225 some odd pages is a very important document; One aspect of this are the amount of Cubans who were employees of Curtis-Mathes also Curtis Mathis. There are numerous references to these employees, and it is a very important part of the Dallas Cuban aspect of the assassination. See Below Pino worked at El Chico, but he is obviously worth mentioning. ALBAREDA, JUAN ----- Sources: CD 1085p, p. 9 Mary's Comments: Cuban refugee. Employee of Curtis Mathis Company. First cousin of Antonio NAVARRO AULET. NAVARRO AULET, ANTONIO ARTURO HILARIO Sources: CD 1085, pp. 1, 3; CD 1085p, pp. 1-10; CD 1085q, pp. 1-6*; CD 1085r, pp. 1-4* Mary's Comments: Second National Front of Escambray (SNFE). DOB: 5/26/15. POB: Cruces, Las Villas, Cuba. Entered U.S. 3/2/62 at Miami vis Pan Am Flight 422, Passport No. 31779, no Visa. Visa waived. Employed by Curtis-Mathis Company, Dallas, TX, in March 1963. Former member of July 26th Movement and Cuban Army Lieutenant, but now anti-Castro. There were rumors at Curtis Mathis that Navarro was pro-Castro. CRESPI LARRALDE, ANTONIO ----- Sources: CD 1085p, pp. 4, 6-7 Mary's Comments: Employee of Republic Transcom Company. Former employee of Curtis Mathis Company. Acquainted with Antonio Navarro Aulet and Jorge Rodriguez. Said Navarro was suspicious because he had been in Cuban militia. LEYVA, DELFIN ----- Sources: CD 1085p, pp. 1-2 Mary's Comments: Lived with his brother Francisco Leyva Avila. Worked for Curtis-Mathis Company where Antonio Arturo Hilario NAVARRO AULET was employed. PINO PINO, OSVALDO AURELIO Sources: WC Vol 25, p. 370; CE 2390; CD 1085, pp. 1, 3; CD 1085k, pp. 1-10; CD 1085m, pp. 1-2; CD 1085o, pp. 1-3; CD 1546, p. 189 Mary's Comments: DOB: April 22, 1932. POB: Florida, Camaguey, Cuba. INS #A12 912 449. Wife: Celina Nelda Rodriguez Carmenate. Re Second National Front of Escambray (SNFE). Employed at El Chico Restaurant Warehouse, 171 Howell, Dallas, TX. Cuban national. Was employed by Cuban G-2-Cuba prior to his flight from Cuba to Miami, FL on 4/6/62. Arrived in Florida with Cobos-Ricardo. RODRIGUEZ ORCARBERRO, MANUEL ----- Sources: CD 853; CD 1085, pp. 1-3; CD 1085u, pp. 1-7; CIA 88-27, p. 2; Betrayal, Morrow, 4; Assassinations: Dallas & Beyond, Scott & Hoch, pp. 493, 521 Mary's Comments: DOB: 11/8/28. POB: Cuba. Second National Front of Escambray (SNFE). In 1960, he lived at 1541 SW 4th St., Miami. His wife, Mercedes Abreu, still lived there in January 1964. (Armando FLEITES Diaz lived at 1545 SW 4th, Miami, in 1969. They had a 3-yr-old daughter, Alliette Rodriguez Abreu. He was president of Dallas branch of anti-Castro organization. Resembled LHO. Employed by Mathes Mgf. Co., 2220 Young St., Dallas. RODRIGUEZ ALVAREDA, JORGE ----- Sources: WC Vol 11, p. 375; CD 246, p. 18; CD 1546, pp. 183-185 Mary's Comments: JURE delegate in Dallas in 1963. Worked for Curtis Mathes Mfg. Co. in Athens, TX. Gave up head of JURE when he moved from Dallas to Arkansas (also with Curtis Mathes). Had been with Curtis Mathes in Puerto Rico. Friend of Sylvia Odio. Met with "Eugenio" in June 1963 to purchase of arms. Said Rogelio Cisneros Diaz came to Dallas in late May or June to organize JURE chapter. RODRIGUEZ, JORGE ----- Sources: CD 1085p, pp. 2, 6, 9 Mary's Comments: Employee of Curtis Mathis Company and close associate and first cousin of another Curtis Mathis employee, Antonio Arturo Hilario NAVARRO AULET. Also, below is one of the more interesting Warren Commission excerpts I have run across. 25. Commission Document 23 - FBI Murphy Report of 01 Dec 1963 re: Oswald/Russia OKLAHOMA FBI REPORT Allegation by Willis D Price that someone resembling LHO was in the company of Cubans at his service station on 11/17/63 in Sulphur, Oklahoma; Miguel L de Socarraz, MD advised he was visited by Cuban’s on 11/17/63; Jack D Sparkman, 74 advised that station wagon used was property of a friend of Rubenstein; Allegation “they” said that they were going to assassinate Lyndon B Johnson and Adlai Stevenson next. A high school teacher allegedly informed one of his classes a frined of his in Dallas had seen Oswald and Ruby together. Interviews disclosed this information came from a former student Mike Black, who has a father who is an an attorney. It says Mother Mike, [Robert: suggest it should state Father] said he made this story out of nothing. He said story probably originated with his mention of a friend who is an nightclub entrepeneur who had talked to a strip teaser who supposedly formerly had worked for Ruby. He said his friend did not mention seeing Ruby and made no mention of seeing Ruby and Oswald together Mr. Black said the story was completely false and his son was the type that liked to talk and apparently made the story up. Informants familiar with CP activity in Sulphur advise they possess no information relating to subject. Charles J Mcbee Chief of Police advised that he believed that Dr. M. L. Socarraz, Dr. A. D. Lopaz and Dr. A.A. Cerverra, all three of these Cuban’s are employed at the Oklahoma Veterans Hospital. Miguel L de Socarraz, MD advised he is a Cuban refugee and is very anti-Communist, he said he was visited by Manolito Rodriguez, with his wife and two or three year old baby two other men who were both of dark-complexion, one having the name of Salazar and the other Chino Rivera. With Salazar and Rivero were their wives and a girl about thirteen ot fourteen years of age. Salazar is dark, short, husky and in his 20’s. Rivero is dark, short, thin and in his 50’s. All of these people were in an older Ford station wagon of cream color. He did not know a 1958 Ford from other year models. Socarraz, after examining a photo of Lee Harvey Oswald which appeared in the Daily Oklahoman newspaper stated that Manolito Rodriguez possibly did resemble Oswald However, he is certain that Rodriquez is not identical with Oswald. Rodriguez cannot speak English. He resides at 1208 Huspeth, [sic] Hudspeth, (Oak Cliff) Dallas, Texas with telephone number FR 4-5923. He is a Cuban refugee, was a Lieutenant in the rebel army of Fidel Castro, but broke with Castro, and obtained asylum in the Brazilian Embassy before coming to the United States. Rodriguez is employed as a welder in Dallas. Socarras advised based on the descriptions of the Cuban’s visiting the Fina Service Station on November 17, 1963 and their vehicle, he feels certain they are the Cuban’s who visited him on that date. AT TULSA OKLAHOMA The followinbg investigation was conducted by SA R. Neil Quigley. On November 25, 1963 United States Attorney, John M. Imel advised he had receieved a telephone call from Jack Sparkman, 701 N. Cheyenne, Tulsa telephone number NA 7-5389 in which Sparkman advised he was in possession of information proving Jack Rubinstein provided the station wagon that transported Lee Harvey Oswald from New Orleans, La., to Fort Worth, Texas. On November 25, 1963, Jack Sparkman, age 74, 701 North. Cheyenne, Tulsa advised SAs Thomas W. McLain and R. Neil Quigley that he was directly responsible for Mr. Imel’s appointment as United States Attorney, and had secured Capt. Larry Colsen, Tulsa Police Department his job http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10424&relPageId=6 Edited October 30, 2010 by Robert Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Peter, Myra & Mark The issue of misspelled names is a huge one. But it's not always insurmountable. One example: the names of the witness I found appears once in the 26 volumes. In trying to track this person down, it became obvious that no-one has such a surname. On a hunch, I added a particular letter and immediately found him. Others have also been found despite their names not appearing anywhere in the records with the right spelling. Assuming a misspelling can also be a trap. One example: There was an FBI report issued after the assassination detailing a report sent to USIA by a "Bernard Weisman" accusing Chinese Communists. I immediately thought that it had to be Bernard Weissman of Black Border ad fame - especially since his name is incorrectly spelled with one "s" in some documents. It took a few years, but I finally found a government record which showed that the USIA did in fact employ a "Bernard Weisman". Two different spellings, and now I knew it was also two different people. The Hosey/Jose argument had merit... but only up until James confirmed there really was an employee named Hosey (McCoy). Just to confuse things further... the White Pages lists no "Hosey McCoy"... but there is a listing for a Hosery McCoy in Alabama. Is this another misspelling... or just a case of cruel parents This is probably far-fetched. "Jose" is a common name. I see we're dealing with people changing the way their names are spelled, etc. But I can't get this one out of my thoughts. Jose Perdomo, who was the guard the night John Lennon was killed. He was also known as San Genis (or similar). I know he survived the Bay of Pigs, but did he have a part in President Kennedy's death? Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Post "While you were down or exceeding bandwidth" I became rather bored when the Forum went down, as a result I posted on the jfk lancer forum regarding, for the most part a deeper look at the November 18, 1963 meeting between Jack Ruby, Bertha Cheek and Frank Boerder. I am reproducing it here because of the fact that Dr. Rodolfo Godinez was not the only interesting item about Parkland Hospital. A book could be written about what went on at Parkland Hospital, so I don't mean that literally. I have attempted, numerous times to impress the importance of genealogy in the Kennedy Assassination saga, seemingly, with the only interested parties being Tom Scully, Bill Kelly, Greg Parker and a few others. I do not understand how there is such a lack of interest in an area such as this. Point being that, when you research genealogical issues, although the work is tedious, there are payoff's. Case in point Joaquin Insua in Dallas and Eduardo Whitehouse in Florida. See Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/ HSCA Segregated CIA Collection/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 16/ NARA Record Number: 1993.07.16.15:26:59:590340 OFFICE FORM: WHITEHOUSE, EDUARDO - NOT REVIEWED BY HSCA http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=72763 SENSITIVE CASE 35171 - EDUARDO WHITEHOUSE Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 16 RIF#: 1993.07.16.15:29:18:060340 (4/4/1962) CIA#: 80T01357A http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=72764 The main thrust of the Lancer Forum post was to show the importance of a single detail, in this case a person cited by Bertha Cheek as the "person" who told Jack Ruby about her, thus if true, was responsible for arranging this meeting. Irrespective of the fact, that Bertha Cheek's statement 1. May be a false statement. 2. May in fact, be a real person, whose name was disguised, intentionally. Considering the fact that the genealogical relationship, between sisters Earlene Roberts and Bertha Cheek was a proven instance of deception by the Warren Commission investigators, the issue has the potential to reveal details that have not ever been analyzed to the degree needed to get some type of closure. It is also a fact that there is, to the best of my knowledge, at least one document at NARA postponed in full in which Bertha Cheek is listed in the subject index. See Thread NARA Documents which should be declassified to resolve JFK Assassination Issues http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14012 Additionally, there is a possibility, of another, what if......but next to the Harvey/Lee issue, it might be the biggest single unresolved issue of the assassination, and that is the 1962 Ford Police Car number that was purchased by Elvis Blount from the Dallas Police Department on April 17, 1963. Jack Ruby had placed the phone call from the Carousel Club to Clarence Rector, on the same day as the attempted shooting of General Walker on April 10, 1963. The number of the car sold was #107, Earlene Roberts testimony regarding the horn-tapping incident was revelatory, inasmuch as what was mentioned about her relationship with Dallas police officers, not to mention whether or not the car in question was one and the same, If it was, you either have Jack Ruby as an active conspirator, or as someone who was being setup, just as much as Oswald. For the moment, that is not what is being considered, but for reference John Armstrong was the first person to make note of this fact. See pages 520, 831; Harvey and Lee - How the CIA Framed Oswald by John Armstrong. The post I made at jfk lancer is reproduced as follows, with the notation END at the conclusion of it Earlene Roberts and Bertha Cheek were obviously, sisters. In that sense it is one of the more interesting "Oswald/Ruby"connections. The idea that the woman who watched Lee run in and change clothes before he ostensibly shot Tippit, was within a few minutes speaking over the phone to sister, Bertha about the President being shot. At least that is what I believe is really something. Earlene, of course referenced her conversation with someone who told her the President had been shot, in her WC Testimony ambiguously as "talking to a friend." And of course Bertha had met with Jack Ruby on November 18, 1963, to discuss possibly purchasing an interest or part-ownership of the Carousel Club. Also present at this meeting was Frank Boerder, allegedly an interior decorator. WR 339 I am going to produce a couple of obituaries that will provide some new information, at least to myself it was. The first is the obituary of Joaquin Insua, who is a Dallas/Miami connector.... "Mass Today for Cubans' Office Chief" - 12-19-1964 page 3 DMN Requiem Mass for Joaquin Insua, 66, of 6623 Oram, director of the Cuban Resettlement Office here, will be sung at 9:30 a.m. Saturday in Sacred Heart Cathedral. Burial will be in Calvary Hill Cemetery. Mr. Insua, who died here Thursday, was a native of Santiago, Cuba. He attended college at Santiago, and also at Havana, where he received a bachelor's degree in accounting. Mr. Insua worked 20 years for Havana Power and Light Co., where he became a director. He resigned in 1961 when the Castro government took control of power companies. Mr. Insua took his family to Miami, Fla., that same year and then moved to Dallas. In 1963 he received a citation of merit from the Cuban Refugee Center in Miami. Survivors: Wife and a daughter, Miss Marcella Insua of Dallas; a sister, Mrs. Maria Whitehouse of Miami, and a brother, Enrique Insua of Cuba. Robert: In case anyone thinks I am misinformed regarding Mr Insua, consider that there is at least one or two documents at mary ferrell's website that reference Eduardo Whitehouse. Moreover read the following: Apparently, unless we are dealing with a doppleganger here, Eduardo J "Teddy" Whitehouse, was a Cuban pilot who was placed on a JFK era blacklist of pilots not allowed to fly. See Miami Herald, May 27, 1960 It would not be hard to understand why that was especially for those few who are familiar with the legal case 289 F.2d. 195 - SAM RUBIN, CLAIMANT V UNITED STATES OF AMERICA No. 18433 United States Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals from March 27, 1961. Max Lurie, Miami, Fla., for appellant. Lloyd G. Bates, Jr., Asst. U. S. Atty., Miami, Fla., for appellee. Before TUTTLE, Chief Judge, and RIVES and JONES, Circuit Judges. RIVES, Circuit Judge. A portion of the document pertaining to decision, [in favor of the U.S Government] states that....""As to the narrow issue the testimony, and particularly the testimony of Customs Agent Shanley who effected seizure of the planes, clearly establishes an existing intention to remove the planes from this country. Various facts emerge from the testimony. The planes were flyable. Overseas maps were obtained. The planes were fueled. The planes were designed as bomber-type. The people associated in the purchase and preparation of the planes for flight had a reputation for neutrality violations. One of said people, Eduardo Whitehouse, an official in the Cuban Government under former dictator Batista, told Shanley of his strong desire to do whatever he could to overthrow Castro. Two of said people, Spinning and Merola, had been charged with smuggling Batista's brother-in-law into this country. The claimant Sam Rubin had attempted a neutrality violation in association with political exiles who had been connected with the Batista regime. Spinning's statements to Shanley pointed to foreign flight. In short, it is respectfully submitted that by proof of overt acts performed in relation to the subject planes and by proof of the disposition and reputation of those, including the claimant, who performed those acts, the Government has more than sustained its burden." The determination of the court in effect was, that; "As its third and final specification of error, appellant asserts: 71 "The Appellant was deprived of his property without due process of law in contravention of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution of the United States, in that he was not afforded procedural due process in the conduct of the case." 72 Appellant complains that the district court evinced bias in favor of the appellee's cause. A careful reading of the record convinces us otherwise. Appellant further complains that the district court violated due process by admitting hearsay evidence on reputation and probable cause. That insistence is not so substantial as to justify the lengthening of an opinion already too long. We find no reversible error in the record, and the judgment is 73 Affirmed. See http://ftp.resource.....195.18433.html It would appear that the Kennedy Administration, [if indeed the control extended "up" that far regarding blacklisting of pilots,] was responsible for placing Mr. Whitehouse on that list it was well deserved. The timing of Joaquin Insua's death, is not lost on myself, unfortunately, in soon to be 2011, neither the death or the timing do not mean anything. Getting back to Earlene and Bertha. In her Warren Commission testimony Earlene Roberts, who had a propensity for using the expression "to my sorrows," revealed, hopefully truthfully, that she was from Tennessee,had come to Dallas in 1940, married "a man" name not known when she was in the Ninth grade, in Tyler, Texas, then moved to Dallas. She states that he was deceased at the time of her Warren Commission testimony. Please read the following: Dallas Morning News, page 3 January 10, 1966 Mrs. Earline Roberts, Oswald's Landlady, Dies "He came running like the dickens and I said to him 'You sure are in a hurry,' but he didn't say anything . . . . just ran in his room got a short tan coat and ran back out." He, was Lee Harvey Oswald and he had just killed the President of the United States. The woman who never got a reply was Mrs. Earlene Roberts, a plumpish, bespectacled widow who ran the rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley where Oswald, living as O. H. Lee, plotted the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963. Sunday, Mrs. Roberts was apparently seized by a heart attack at her home, 212 W. Woodin. She was rushed to Parkland Hospital where she died at 5:15 a.m. Both President Kennedy and Oswald died at the same hospital. Mrs. Roberts, interviewed by the Dallas Morning News just after the assassination, said "He was always in bed by 9:30 or 10:00 p.m." In cleaning his $8-a-week 5 by 12-foot room, Mrs. Roberts had noticed that Oswald was neat, read Westerns ate a lot of fruit and made sandwiches in his room. Mrs Roberts widow of building contractor, Olan Roberts was widely quoted in newspapers and magazines and interviewed numerous times on TV and radio, following the assassination. A native of Tennessee, she moved to Dallas in 1940. Survivors; Four sisters, Mrs. Dovie Dukes, Mrs. Opal Fowler and Mrs Bertha Lyles of Dallas, and Mrs. Ela Sheppard of Tyler and a brother, W. Howard Bogle of Dallas. Funeral Services will be held at 12:30 p.m. Monday in Restland Wildwood Chapel. Burial will be at 3:30 p.m in Rucker Cemetery in Troup, Smith County. Even though Bertha Cheek's genealogy is something less than well known, we do know that she was married more than once, hence, Bertha Vardella Bogle Cheek. What I am slowly getting around to is that when Bertha testified regarding her meeting with Jack Ruby, she mentioned Ruby had "gotten her name"from Olen Alexander. When Michael Benson wrote Who's Who In the JFK Assassination, he listed an individual named Olen Alexander, possible Ruby witness he also mentioned an Officer Alexander as a possibility Benson also penned the addendum "it is conceivable that Olen Alexander is a product of a transcription error at the WC Hearings." see google books Who's Who In the JFK Assassination So, I believe if Officer Alexander, doesen't pan out as a possibility regarding someone who knew Jack Ruby, who referred Jack Ruby to Bertha Cheek, it should be considered a priority to determine when Earlene Robert's deceased husband contractor Olan Roberts died. That is, worth mentioning in my book. When you consider the Earlene Roberts/Bertha Cheek connection, whether you realize it or not, you are in a very interesting area that still poses unresolved questions. Harrison Livingstone's information regarding the 8th Street address is also another area that is extremely important. END Robert: The following is what I have ascertained since last night. More on the Alexander/Roberts issue DMN July 10, 1961 excerpt from story entitled Dallas Crime Lab Indispensable Tool This type of analysis is all in a day's work for Dr. Morton F. Mason, director of the City-County Investigation Library in Parkland Hospital. The laboratory with 11 technical and professional employees, conducts such investigations as analysis of alcohol content in breath tests, drugs, autopsies, ballistics, blood and blood stains as well as general physical evidence turned over by police. Mason's Assistant Lt. Floyd T Alexander claims that about 65 per cent of the staff's man hours are devoted to analyzing drugs. The lab a joint enterprise started by the city and county in 1956 is crammed into three rooms in Parkland's basement. Lt. Floyd T. Alexander was given the bullet from Lt. J.C. Day from the attempted shooting of General Walker, his analysis is contained in the following link. http://www.maryferre...0&relPageId=101 Robert: Nine years later, Lt. Alexander was still with the Dallas Police Force Federal supplement: Volume 424 United States. Court of Claims, West Publishing Company - 1977 - Snippet view AUSTIN 78751 LABORATORIES BOX 4143 December 11, 1969 Lieutenant Floyd T. Alexander Dallas Police Department 106 South Harwood Dallas, Texas 75201 Dear Sir: On December 10, 1969 you personally submitted one fired........... On the same day that the Zapruder film aired on the Goodnight America program, March 6, 1975 Floyd T Alexander died. See Floyd T. Alexander Texas Deaths, 1890-1976 death: 06 Mar 1975 — Dallas, Dallas, Texas parents: Isaac W. Alexander, Unavailable Source http://www.familysearch.org/ Alexander's obituary appeared in the March 7, 1975 Dallas Morning News, Ballistics Expert Dies Floyd T. Alexander, 74, of 1414 S. Hampton retired ballistics expert for the Dallas City-County Criminal Investigation Laboratory, died here Thursday. Alexander worked in a number of lab departments but was best-known for his work in ballistics. He retired in 1969, but continued to testify on cases throughout the Southwest until 1974. The crime lab, (now the Dallas County Institute of Forensic Science) began operation in 1957. Alexander was sent to a number of labs already in operation in 1956 to begin the new facility. He became a policeman in the early 1930's and was working in the identification department when he retired in 1956 to join the crime lab. Funeral services will be held at 10 a.m. Saturday in the First Baptist Church of Dallas. Burial will be in Restland Memorial Park. He is survived by his wife, Billie, one daughter two sisters, two brothers, three grandchildren, and one great-grandchild. Robert: On the other hand you have Olin Roberts information also gathered from family search.org The question being is Olin Roberts the husband of Earlene Roberts, who is deceased by the time of her Warren Commission testimony? I am still working on that one. The fact that Olin and Olan are two different spellings does not preclude the fact they could be one and the same person. Before I found Officer Alexander's obituary, I saw an article that referenced his being sent to other cities for his ballistics training, where his middle initial was listed as Floyd L. Alexander instead of Floyd T. Alexander There is always the element of transcription errors as Benson pointed out. A final note to those who do not see the need for genealogical research. Cliff Roberts assisted in the investigation of the Edwin Walker shooting, he was later or perhaps even in 1963, a member of the Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation See http://www.odmp.org/officer/11347-agent-clifford-w.-roberts he died in 1967 Photograph: Agent Clifford W. Roberts Patch image: Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, Oklahoma Agent Clifford W. Roberts Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Oklahoma End of Watch: Tuesday, March 14, 1967 Biographical Info Age: Not available Tour of Duty: Not available Badge Number: Not available Incident Details Cause of Death: Struck by train Date of Incident: Tuesday, March 14, 1967 Weapon Used: Not available Suspect Info: Not available Agent Roberts was killed when his department vehicle was struck by a train in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mark Valenti Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Better late than never -- found Hosey Lee McCoy in reference to his volunteering for WW2 service out of Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Hosey Lee McCoy's Bad Day.......actually the title is.... Fuse Box 'Shorts' at Medical Arts Dallas Morning News, page 1 April 3, 1964 A fuse box in the 18th floor kitchen of the Medical Arts Hospital, Pacific and St. Paul shorted out about 6:45 p.m. Thursday, but there was no fire or explosion, and no one was injured. Janitor Hosey Lee McCoy told firemen he was mopping the kitchen floor when the electrical flash exploded. He was examined at Parkland Hospital and released. Thanks to James Richards for posting his full name. I did a lot of digging and this was all I found, except the WW II era, enlistment info, already posted. Edited May 5, 2015 by Robert Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 And thank you, Robert, for not giving up on this. Since Hosey McCoy was working as a janitor in another Dallas hospital in 1964 and given the first name of "Hosey" doesn't appear to very common, I think it's a safe assumption he is our man. It is a disgrace that this lead was never followed up. The name of the person who could identify the Cuban was given to the police so the investigation of it would have been very simple. If it was followed up and then deep-sixed, it goes beyond disgraceful and into the very heart of the real issues that underscore this case. The chances of now finding out who that Cuban was, appear to be remote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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