John Birch Society

[John Simkin]

How many people believe the John Birch Society could have been involved in the assassination of JFK?

Harry Dean is one of those who has argued that the organization was involved in the assassination. He has argued that John Rousselot was involved in a plot to kill JFK. Haroldson L. Hunt and Clint Murchison were both members who provided the John Birch Society with funding. Then you have the case of General Edwin Walker who was also a member.

In his book JFK: The Second Plot, Matthew Smith has argued that the John Birch Society may have joined forces with a group of Texas oil millionaires to assassinate JFK. This probably means Hunt and Murchison.

[JL Allen]

I, for one, do. I have read Harry's description of a major address given by one of the heads of the Society shortly after the murders - where he alludes to something akin to "that great bloody turn of history" (or, somesuch) - and he proudly assures his audience that the JBS had played it's part in achieving those results. Maybe Harry could provide something a bit more specific.

Edited August 20, 2005 by JL Allen

[John Dolva]

I, for one, do.  I have read Harry's description of a major address given by one of the heads of the Society shortly after the murders - where he alludes to something akin to "that great bloody turn of history" (or, somesuch) - and he proudly assures his audience that the JBS had played it's part in achieving those results.  Maybe Harry could provide something a bit more specific.

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Certainly they could have, though I'd say that the particular memebers involved need not necessarily be representative of the JBS and could very well be members of other organisations as well. I think it's a mind set grouping that reacted to the changes that Kennedy represented. The JBS, the KKK, the DCC and others that have a broad membersip not necessarily just from any particular Party, are likely to contain like minded individuals who are brought together in association with these groups. They may also be CIA, FBI, anti this, pro that, etc

[James Richards]

A couple of JBS posters.

James

[Jim Root]

I for one believe that the John Birch Society (and the right wing fringe) was dangerous enough that the US Intelligence community wanted it infiltrated and did so by incerting Major General Edwin Anderson Walker into their mainstream.

Jim Root

[Harry J.Dean]

I, for one, do.  I have read Harry's description of a major address given by one of the heads of the Society shortly after the murders - where he alludes to something akin to "that great bloody turn of history" (or, somesuch) - and he proudly assures his audience that the JBS had played it's part in achieving those results.  Maybe Harry could provide something a bit more specific.

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Hi, JL

Long before late 1963 the influence of powerful ultra-conservativism, that had organized in late 1958 {JBS} was flowing through American political veins. Politicos of every stripe knew which way that extreme wind was blowing. Liberalism was under extreme fire and staggered under it. Their hope lay in the reelection of the embattled President Kennedy. The JBS philosophy had easily spread to, and through what had become numerous ribs in the JBS umberella.{name most any anti-Castro, anti-Kennedy, anti-Communist organized group, and endless influencial individuals}. Elected political representatives, many bureaucrat leaders in high positions, were also early-on willingly or by persuassion infected with this rebellion-in-the-making. As a "real" Republican I agreed with this religio/politic combination " to save the nation from total Communist takeover ". The ultras were traitors who seized control of the Republican political apparatus for later "legitimate" control of the entire nation.

Later Chief Justice Earl Warren agreed with Jack Ruby " when he {Warren}answered " Yes, they {JBS} are powerful, very powerful indeed ". The political decendants of those Ultras who took-over upon the death of Kennedy are now, and have been in total charge of all existance. When these people, acting as individuals or as political groups are sorted, identified, exposed and connected as they are, a cure for the ongoing political infection can occur.

Harry

[David G. Healy]

I for one believe that the John Birch Societ (and the right wing fringe) was dangerous enough that the US Intelligence community wanted it infiltrated and did so by incerting Major General Edwin Anderson Walker into their mainstream.

Jim Root

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Wow! That's interesting -- could you elaborate on that a bit, Jim Root?

David Healy

[Jim Root]

David

Thank you for the opportunity to once again write about my favorite assassination subject....Edwin Walker.

Let me first suggest that you read my posts over the past year and you will get a taste of my research on Walker.

Over the past eleven years or so I have been researching this man. While it took a while to get past his post military resignation activities I have found that the military career of Walker placed him as a leading figure in some of the most exciting periods of 20th century history.

Allow me to list a few:

First Straits of Taiwan Crisis.....Military advisor to Chiang Kai Chek.

Millitary commander of the 82nd Airborne while on opperation at Little Rock, Arkansas during the integration of schools.

2nd Commander of the First Special Services Force during WWII. Some feel this was the most uniquly trained unit of the war.

Organized prisoner exchange programs in both WWII and Korea....both involved the interrogation and recruitment of former enemies as intelligence assets.

Involved in the capture of a Japanese radar installation (thought to be more sophistacated than it turned out to be) on the island of Kiska.

Trainer of Rangers during the Korean War.....many of these men would go on to become CIA operatives.

Involved with the transfer of captured Nazi loot near the end of WWII.

May have been involved with signals intelligence as early as 1935 putting him in contact with a man named John B. Hurt.

Student at West Point 1927 - 1931 the same four years that Maxwell Taylor was an instructor at West Point.

First intelligence assignment may have been as early as 1933...Governors Island New York.

Pulled out of Hawaii just 32 days before the attack on Pearl Harbor just days after the Friedman's Group (with member John B. Hurt doing the translations) had decrypted a note that led the US to believe there would be a Japanese attack in the Pacific by the end of November.

Operated the Greek desk at the Pentagon during the Greek Civil War during the late 1940's.

Traveling in Europe at the same time as Oswald when Oswald defected to the Soviet Union.

Pro Blue Program (providing John Burch Society materials to the 24th Infantry Division), which leads to Walker's resignation begins within days of Oswald filing his application to return to the US and the State Departments lawyers decision that he will be allowed to return.

Please direct additional questions if you wish, it's late.

Jim Root

[Robert Howard]

Jack White might enjoy this question?

In Penn Jones, series FMG Vol 3 page page 57, there is a very clear B & W photograph, of 'what appears' to be the JFK Limo en route to Parkland just a few minute after the assassination, in the background picture clearly is a man on top of a building, who strongly appears to be holding a rifle with his right arm fully extended & holding the rifle at a horizontal angle, I was wondering if Jack, or anybody else for that matter has a jpeg image of this photo, it is not credited to my knowledge, in the book and may be an old photo from the Midlothian Mirror, if an actual rifle it lends credence to the contention of several individuals who believe that the site of JFK's assassination was originally to be at the Dallas Trade Mart, or en route to it. Harry Dean if I am not mistaken believes that to be the case, as well as myself.

[Gil Jesus]

Jim, I've always believed that Walker was involved. And I mean DEEPLY involved. I'm wondering if you can tell me if he was connected with the training camp at Lake Ponchartrain outside New Orleans.

I heard that he was. Thanks.

[Guest Mark Valenti]

Jim, I've always believed that Walker was involved. And I mean DEEPLY involved. I'm wondering if you can tell me if he was connected with the training camp at Lake Ponchartrain outside New Orleans.

I heard that he was. Thanks.

Since Walker was arrested in his later years for lewd homosexual acts, I wonder if there was ever any suspicion, connection or evidence connecting his sexuality with the single young men who spent so much time in his house in '63.

[James Richards]

Jack White might enjoy this question?

In Penn Jones, series FMG Vol 3 page page 57, there is a very clear B & W photograph, of 'what appears' to be the JFK Limo en route to Parkland just a few minute after the assassination, in the background picture clearly is a man on top of a building, who strongly appears to be holding a rifle with his right arm fully extended & holding the rifle at a horizontal angle, I was wondering if Jack, or anybody else for that matter has a jpeg image of this photo, it is not credited to my knowledge, in the book and may be an old photo from the Midlothian Mirror, if an actual rifle it lends credence to the contention of several individuals who believe that the site of JFK's assassination was originally to be at the Dallas Trade Mart, or en route to it. Harry Dean if I am not mistaken believes that to be the case, as well as myself.

Robert,

Is this the photo you refer to?

James

[Guest John Woods]

Jack White might enjoy this question?

In Penn Jones, series FMG Vol 3 page page 57, there is a very clear B & W photograph, of 'what appears' to be the JFK Limo en route to Parkland just a few minute after the assassination, in the background picture clearly is a man on top of a building, who strongly appears to be holding a rifle with his right arm fully extended & holding the rifle at a horizontal angle, I was wondering if Jack, or anybody else for that matter has a jpeg image of this photo, it is not credited to my knowledge, in the book and may be an old photo from the Midlothian Mirror, if an actual rifle it lends credence to the contention of several individuals who believe that the site of JFK's assassination was originally to be at the Dallas Trade Mart, or en route to it. Harry Dean if I am not mistaken believes that to be the case, as well as myself.

Robert,

Is this the photo you refer to?

James

James,

I have some film footage showing teenagers with tape across their mouths enroute to Parkland Hospital

which has the markings of the right wing. Several images taken at Love Field and prior to Dealey Plaza which once again has the markings of the right and do not forget the IMPEACH EARL WARREN board along with the image taken by Jack Ruby.

johnw

Edited May 9, 2007 by John Woods

[Robert Howard]

Jack White might enjoy this question?

In Penn Jones, series FMG Vol 3 page page 57, there is a very clear B & W photograph, of 'what appears' to be the JFK Limo en route to Parkland just a few minute after the assassination, in the background picture clearly is a man on top of a building, who strongly appears to be holding a rifle with his right arm fully extended & holding the rifle at a horizontal angle, I was wondering if Jack, or anybody else for that matter has a jpeg image of this photo, it is not credited to my knowledge, in the book and may be an old photo from the Midlothian Mirror, if an actual rifle it lends credence to the contention of several individuals who believe that the site of JFK's assassination was originally to be at the Dallas Trade Mart, or en route to it. Harry Dean if I am not mistaken believes that to be the case, as well as myself.

Robert,

Is this the photo you refer to?

James

James,

I have some film footage showing teenagers with tape across their mouths enroute to Parkland Hospital

which has the markings of the right wing. Several images taken at Love Field and prior to Dealey Plaza which once again has the markings of the right and do not forget the IMPEACH EARL WARREN board along with the image taken by Jack Ruby.

johnw

By Jove, James that is indeed the photo...Gracias Por Favor....Can you tell us which, photo this is? It bears a great degree of similarity to the AP Worldwide Photo....[a B&W which is more like a poor reproduction of a newspaper photo....] shown on page 45 of Robert Groden's "The Killing of a President," except that photo has a building in the background with a sign that say's Corham......my guess is the photo you reproduced for us was taken virtually within seconds of the photo in Groden's book....At any rate, the reason I was attempting to sound out Jack is he probably would know the locale better than I do...At any rate Thank's......

PS what's the scoop on the guy [James Moseley Jr.] who was charged with the axe-murder of Porter Bledsoe......? Was he convicted...to paraphrase Spike Lee...Do ya know, Do ya know Do ya know?

[Robert Howard]

Since this is a JBS Thread, this is what Dame Edna Hoover had to say about the Bureau's investigation into the JBS and the Minutemen in Dallas in 1963.......In his letter to Rankin regarding Socialist's in Dallas in 1963, he states, and I quote "Regarding your request, concerning the John Birch Society and "Minutemen," this is to advise this bureau did not conduct any investigation of those organizations and it's members in the State of Texas during 1963...."

See

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=2

So I suppose that means.......

Charles Willoughby, the Hunt family ie especially H.L., the various individual members of the DPD, who no doubt were on very good terms with members of said organizations, et cetera et cetera, ad naseum...did not have much too worry about did they? No wonder Jack was losing it after a few months in jail......

Chief Justice Earl Warren said to Jack Ruby......I know what you feel about the John Birch Society.......

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ruby1.txt

Sorry Earl, but you never had to sit in a Dallas jail in 1963.....