Bill Miller

I just said what I believe based on my experiences as well as others - do you have a point to make?

You got that right, Paul. Peoples memories of spaces in time when it comes to being stressed or in a state of shock and/or confusion is not to be considered a time clock of the event. If a witness looked at their watch periodically during that same period, then that would be a different matter, but as far as I am aware - that didn't happen. Who hasn't had an experience where they recalled an event seeming as if it took forever to get through while perhaps others thought it went by rather quickly. It happened to me each time I ever went to a dentist.

I am getting to it .... then I will look forward to your next excuse for why it should be ignored.

So summarizing your comments is deflecting .... nice!

It would take someone skilled in Photogammetry to do that, Ray. However, Oswald was a very thin individual and his size can be compared to other people around him. In this particular case, Lee's shoulder width could be visually compared against that of Prayer Man's to see if they are similar or if there is a noticeable difference. Several people have posted that Prayer Man looked rather large to be Lee Oswald. I am certain that Kamp is aware those observations and is why he made a big deal that I had shown a photo of Lee in just a T-shirt. The implication could only be that had Lee had his second shirt on - then he would appear as large as Prayer Man. But I asked just how thick could the material of Lee's second shirt be because to me he still looked like a skinny man with a second shirt on. I also suggested that the thickness of Lee's shirt could not have been more than 1/8th of an inch in additional thickness. For some reason Kamp has not seemed very eager to find the answer to the question of whether Prayer Man is too large to be Oswald. I can think of one damaging reason ... If Prayer Man is not Lee Oswald, then that would explain why Frazier, Lovelady, Shelley, Molina, etc., did not report that Lee was outside standing with them. That means the theory that all these witnesses were leaned on even before Oswald had been thought to be the assassin of the President is hogwash. And who knows - maybe Prayer Man and Lee will appear to be very similar in size. I am certainly not afraid to find out if there is a way to check it.

So you complained of a slight of hand by my not posting a photo of Oswald without the additional shirt as if that would somehow bulk him up .... well it appears that it didn't do anything but show a skinny man with a shirt on over his T-shirt - which by the way .... you didn't tell me how thick you believed his all important shirt to be? Is it because you now see that his shirt didn't really add any noticeable width to his shoulders - that must be it. Smoke and mirrors? You have not even bothered to see if Prayer Man is the same size as Oswald and I am the one using smoke and mirrors ..... if you say so.

I never mentioned a NYHT article. So the buying a coke and drinking it puts Oswald in the lunchroom even sooner than if had not yet bought a coke. So what was there to gain by making up a story that Oswald had a coke when confronted by Baker .... is it because only assassins drink coke?

He says that when Oswald was met on the 2nd floor by Patrolman Baker that he never had a coke because Truly and Baker didn't mention it in their statements or testimonies.

So how much thicker will Oswald be with his shirt added to his shoulder width - perhaps 1/8th of an inch on each side? You can clear all this up by letting us see your study ... if you have even bothered to do one.

The explanation of Lee having gotten a coke was something I had read. You may have noticed that I am not alone as Paul Trejo posted about Lee having a coke as well. And so you know - I have no intention on going back over the countless books and articles I have read on the assassination in my lifetime over a bottle of coke. Now prove that well fed looking Prayer Man is the scrawny looking Oswald because it looks to me like you are attempting to fill up a 2lb bag of Prayer Man with a half of a pound of Oswald.

The issue has been raised - now it is up to the one pushing the claim that must be sure that Prayer Man truly is Oswald.

The lines are all the same length. There were places on mean and women. I chose a reference point that could be seen without being confused as being part of someone else. Oswald was pretty thin and was not very broad shouldered. It's seems to me that if Prayer Man had a said width between two points on his person (visible left and right side) and while rotated away from the camera, then that line could be used against others in the frame who appear broader shouldered than Oswald. Someone can do the same test and create a line between to points on the body on Prayer Man. If Prayer Man is as wide as Molina who is facing the camera for example ... one must ask him or herself if Prayer Man is Oswald - should his shoulders be as wide as lets say .... Molina's?

A responsible way to determine Prayer Man's girth would be to find a point that is not mixed in with other people on the stairs. I chose the shoulders.

I gather from all your Jibber-Jabber above that you have not conducted any type of study on your own to know if Lee Oswald's body width would equal that of Prayer Man.

Where can we find your study on Prayer Man's girth to that of Oswalds?

You are not being truthful here - It was entertained and reasons have been given for why it is not Oswald. Your not agreeing with those reasons does not mean the idea wasn't entertained.

Prayer Man still looks to wide to me to be skinny Oswald.

Frazier didn't know that Lee was going across Elm Street to buy his lunch - he assumed so. He said Lee sometimes bought something off the "truck". And you are correct - Frazier said he saw Lee post shooting to which he did not tell the Commission. Some 50 years later and he is not afraid to divulge seeing Lee after the shooting, so I doubt he would be afraid to tell people that Lee was standing outside on the landing at the top of the stairs had that of been the case. Perhaps a researcher could contact Buell and talk to him about his seeing Lee after the shooting and ask why he didn't tell that to the Commission.

I will try and find it when I get back to BC next month. I bought a copy negative directly from the Dallas Morning News.

The woman in Zapruder's film who is next to Brandt's friend is pretty tall .... would it not be important to know how tall Gloria Calvery was so to know if that woman might be her?

Oswald could have been seen as having some involvement in the assassination and still been seen as standing next to Buell at the time of the shooting. And like many witnesses in the last 10 to 20 years that spoke out against the official version - Frazier said he saw Lee after the shooting in his interview with the 6th Floor Museum which he didn't say to the Commission in 64. So had Lee of been on the stairs with Buell .... I do not believe Buell would withhold that information at this time. What if someone said Bill Shelley shot the President - do you really think no one would have spoke up and said he was on the steps with me and other workers who were watching the parade? Of course they would have spoken up. And I still say that Prayer Man is too wide to be Oswald.

Huh? If Frazier had said Lee was standing there with him and the others - there would have been no need to fear anything for Oswald could not have been on the 6th floor and next to Frazier at the top of the stairs in front of the TSBD at the same time.

They had one advantage over us - the could see JFK"s face with clarity from a distance of 15 feet away so to see any sudden changes in his expression that we cannot. I can only add that the wound to JFK's throat was what would be referred to as a soft-tissue wound. I believe I have seen data on reaction times to a stimulus to be around 1/2 of a second. From the moment Willis took his photo until the time JFK disappears behind the road sign is .5 seconds. In that time he stopped his smiling and waving and brought his hand inside the car and across his face .... when he emerges from behind the sign ... his hands are clutched in front of him and on their way to his mouth where it appears to me that he tried to cough as if he felt something had entered his throat and he wanted to dislodge it.

You must be joking! For one thing - which is it - 27" or 28"? No need to guess when it could be measured with a ruler or tape. Secondly, did Lee have the top of the package folded over by a few inches? One wouldn't want the end of a rifle barrel sticking out of the sack while trying to sell the idea that the bag contains curtain rods - now would they.

Kellerman was as his job was to monitor the people on his side of the car.