David Josephs

Let's please get back to the original concept prior to anyone ordering a rifle...

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95677#relPageId=6&tab=page

This is part of a report out of Italy about the RIFLE...  That the one pictured that THEY saw was a 7.35 mm rifle and not CE139... (as I have shown)

Furthermore - on the quality of this amazing rifle...  page 3 #22 sheds some light...

When we all realize CE139 was not on the 6th floor, was never ordered by anyone and was used only to attach Oswald's prints to a suspected murder weapon....
maybe we can move on from trying to make the rifle REAL.

Like the rest of this... The Evidence IS the Conspiracy...   

Right Hotel, wrong dates...  unless we're talking about a different Oswald or someone impersonating him....

According to the needed evidence, he leaves the hotel the morning of Oct 2nd (after having him leave that afternoon since the photos of "Oswald" were taken on Oct 2 at 12:22pm he must leave after that... but then GOODPASTURE dates it OCT 1 so they can drop the 2:30pm Oct 2 departure time for the 8:30 am bus...

If the CIA has him entering Mexico in a car on the 26th...  and the CIA informants have him in Mexico already...  and we know for a fact Harvey is at the Paines Oct 4th...

PAUL et al:  it was a charade... the man who Ruby killed was not in Mexico City... ALVARADO was a CIA asset,  DURAN did not say the things they say she did... and the ODIO sisters were correct.

3 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Marina Oswald told the truth to the WC after she took the oath.

NO PAUL, SHE DIDN'T.

24 minutes ago, George Sawtelle said:

Then shouldn't you include IMHO.

I POSTED A DOCUMENT WITH NAMES AND 201 FILE #'S...  OF COURSE THE CIA LIES... BUT WITHIN THOSE LIES ARE FOUND THE GEMS AS IT'S ALL WE HAVE TO GO ON IN THAT REALM.

THE STANDARD VERMIN CRAWLS INTO THE DAYLIGHT TO MAKE SOME OFFHAND NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT A PURELY INFORMATIONAL POST (DIRECTED MOSTLY AT PAZ)

THERE IS NO "OPINION" HERE TO BE HUMBLE ABOUT...  DID YOU EVEN LOOK AT THE DOC IN QUESTION?

AND GEORGE - THE ACCURACY OF THE 201 #'S IS EASILY CHECKED...  PROVE TO ME THAT THIS DOC IS FULL OF FALSE INFO - PLEASE...
JUST POINT OUT ONE OF THE NAMES WHERE THE 201# IS INCORRECT... SIMPLE.

FOR PETE'S SAKE... IF SHARING SOMETHING INTERESTING IS GOING TO BE MET WITH THIS KIND OF POSTER FOOLISHNESS,

WHY SHOULD WE BOTHER?...  

55 YEARS AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHO MARINA OR H/L WERE...

TURN ONE STONE AND 50 MORE APPEAR...

David, it sure does seem like he did a lot to that neck for having left the wound "inviolate"

PERRY: Once the trachea had been exposed I took the knife and incised the windpipe at the point of the bullet injury.

20 minutes ago, David Lifton said:

FACET #2: What Perry did (on 11/22/63):  My personal belief: He did what he said he did: Perry left the wound "inviolate."

Mr. SPECTER - While the doctors were working on President Kennedy, did you ever have any opportunity to observe his neck? 
Miss BOWRON - No; I didn't, until afterwards.. 
Mr. SPECTER - Until after what? 
Miss BOWRON - Until after they had pronounced him dead and we cleaned up and removed the trach tube, and indeed we were really too shocked to really take much notice. 
Mr. SPECTER - Did you ever see his neck prior to the time you removed the trach tube? 
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. 

Mr. SPECTER - What was done to the President after he arrived at the emergency room? 
Miss HENCHLIFFE - Well the first thing, his endotracheal tube was inserted. 

ACTIVITIES OF (Parkland Nurse) PAT HUTTON 
ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963
As soon as we reached the room, a doctor placed an endotracheal tube, and prepared for a tracheostomy.

**Dr. PERRY - At the time I entered the door, Dr. Carrico was attending him. He was attaching the Bennett apparatus to an endotracheal tube in place to assist his respiration.

Mr. SPECTER - Would you describe, in a general way and in lay terms, the purpose for the tracheotomy at that time? 
Dr. PERRY - Dr. Carrico had very judicially placed an endotracheal but unfortunately due to the injury to the trachea, the cuff which is an inflatable balloon on the endotracheal tube was not below the tracheal injury and thus he could not secure the adequate airway that you would require to maintain respiration. 

Dr. PERRY - At this point, I had entered the neck, and Dr. Baxter and Dr. McClelland arrived shortly thereafter. I cannot describe with accuracy their exact arrival. I only know I looked up and saw Dr. Baxter as I began the tracheotomy and he took a pair of gloves to assist me. 
Dr. McClelland's presence was known to me at the time he picked up an instrument and said, "Here, I will hand it to you."
At that point I was down in the trachea. Once the trachea had been exposed I took the knife and incised the windpipe at the point of the bullet injury. And asked that the endotracheal tube previously placed by Dr. Carrico be withdrawn slightly so I could insert a tracheotomy tube at this level. This was effected and attached to an anesthesia machine which had been brought down by Dr. Jenkins and Dr. Giesecke for better control of circulation.
I noticed there was free air and blood in the right mediastinum and although I could not see any evidence, myself any evidence, of it in the pleura of the lung the presence of this blood in this area could be indicative of the underlying condition.
I asked someone to put in a chest tube to allow sealed drainage of any blood or air which might be accumulated in the right hemothorax.
This occurred while I was doing the tracheotomy. I did not know at the time when I inserted the tube but I was informed subsequently that Dr. Paul Peters, assistant professor of urology, and Dr. Charles Baxter, previously noted in this record, inserted the chest tube and attached it to underwater seal or drainage of the right pneumothorax. 

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10020-10052.pdf

Is a report about REGGAB and MARINA...

14 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Well, I do.

 

Also, is that document saying what I think it says?

Marks could not find the original?

WCD 87, p118-121  is the pertinent section of the report.  

Or check my timeline starting at 9pm 11/23...  

MARKS gets it from JACKSON who then gives it to SS SA PARKER.  On the back of the PMO we have the initials for all 3 men.
PARKER makes the 5 copies but they do not leave until the next morning
PARKER then gives the original to SS SAIC GEIGLAN who places it in the SS DC Field office safe
On 11/24 SS SA GRIMES removes the original from the safe and give it to FBI SA CHISHOLM providing a receipt
CHISHOLM gives the original to FBI SA JAMES FREEMAN at the FBI labs and it becomes CE1136

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=145&tab=page 

The very next pages claims that REA collected the $19.95 and the $1.27 shipping charge...  but there is no record of the $1.27.

Just sayin...

On ‎2‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 8:39 AM, Steve Thomas said:

What is going on here?

The coordinated cover-up of the US coup d'état....

what else?   

"If Marina met Ruth Paine on February 22nd, shortly before moving to Neely in March, why did she think it was January?"

'cause she's making a lot up and was coached for the rest...

Here's another of the reports from the new release...  Marina's bio data is FUBAR.... dental tech? pharmacist? 3 different dates for the birth certificate, all in 1961...  the strange relationship to REGGAB and his statements about her being a prostitute

Marina is not what she seemed.... (the "duh" is silent)

Paul - you've raised "speculation, assumption and non-sequitur" to an art form...

Hey Ron... 

With all the discussion about 201 files and my stumbling across this doc... I thought I'd post it and see if it helps anyone...

I am not too well versed with 201 files...  I know though we have resources in Simpich, Jim D, John Newman and others who may be able to answer those questions...

PAZ seemed to be interested so I posted it... plus it gives the real names of so many informants...

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Sadly there remains those who think every utterance is for their ears, for their benefit....
and it must their solemn duty to keep posting non-sequitur and/or non-sense at every opportunity.

As more and more of the members realize how much better the place is when ignoring these never ending uninformed utterings, maybe those too thick to realize it's them ...  will go play their childish games in a different sandbox.

Just a bunch of coincidences...

{Sigh}

Thought experiment...

Marina claims that the BYP was the first and only time she ever worked a camera...

Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall the day that you took the picture of him with the rifle and the pistol?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think that that was towards the end of February, possibly the beginning of March. I can't say exactly. Because I didn't attach any significance to it at the time. That was the only time I took any pictures.
I don't know how to take pictures. He gave me a camera and asked me someone should ask me how to photograph, I don't know.
Mr. RANKIN. Was it on a day off that you took the picture?
Mrs. OSWALD. It was on a Sunday.
Mr. RANKIN. How did it occur? Did he come to you and ask you to take the picture?
Mrs. OSWALD. I was hanging up diapers, and he came up to me with the rifle and l was even a little scared, and he gave me the camera and asked me to press a certain button.
Mr. RANKIN. And he was dressed up with a pistol at the same time, was he?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

 "only time she ever took photos" - and she can't remember how many she took, and can't remember one of the strangest processes she had to
employ to take not 1 of these, but 3 or even 4?

This is close to what the camera would have shown at the time...   Hold camera at chest height, look down into an upside-down image, keep it perfectly steady so as to remove any blur, take the photo, had the camera back to wind, and do this again, and again, ... and maybe again  ???

HSCA:

Mr. McDONALD. Please tell us what happened? This was at the Neely Street address. 
What happened on this occasion when Lee asked you to take those photographs? 
Mrs. PORTER. Well, first of all, I refused to take picture because I did not know how to operate camera, and he told me, he insist that I will take it, and he said he will show me how, if I just push the button. So I took one picture, I think, and maybe he changed the pose, I don't recall. Maybe I took two pictures, but I was very annoyed by all the incidents. 

Mr. McDONALD. Did you use a tripod at all? 
Mrs. PORTER. Did I use what? 
Mr. McDONALD. A tripod. In other words, was the camera attached to a stand? 
Mrs. PORTER. No. 
Mr. McDONALD. OK. You held it in your hands. 
Mrs. PORTER. Yes. 

Q. This camera, do you recall whether to take pictures with this camera, you would look down into the viewfinder or whether you would hold the camera up to your eye and look straight ahead?
A. I just recall I think it is straight.
Q. You would put the camera up by your eye?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you remember what color the camera was?
A. I think it was black.
Q. Do you remember anything else about it?
A. Not the name; no. But again, since I am not expert with the camera, that is what I remember, I think?

6 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

The catheter was inserted into the wound directly without any tracheotomy being performed. In my view, a trained emergency surgeon would avoid this and would prefer doing a tracheotomy and tracheostomy as they are trained and always do, starting with an incision. 

Agree 100% Andrej...   A trained ER doctor will not just try and stick a tube into a hole...  (see Trach process images at bottom)

The process, as Lifton should know from his arguments against the brain falling out given what the brain is connected to... too much work to disconnect a brain from a body...

Same with the Trach...   I'm not doubting something was said that made it sound as if a formal trach was not performed...  but does it make any real world sense that a doctor would not take the steps necessary to perform an actual tracheotomy?

If PERRY pushed a trach tube into the wound, how is that "INVIOLATE"?     Whereas Fetzer's take was "still readily visible"  which I have yet to find in any dictionary resource...

inviolate : not violated or profaned; that must be) not harmed or damaged; free from violation, injury, disturbance, etc

free or safe from injury or violation.

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

I say that LHO entered and exited Mexico as the passenger in a car driven by Loran Hall, with Larry Howard as another passenger.   Both men would give alias names, and would speak fluent Spanish and easily get by the busy Mexico Immigration clerk.

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

However -- my interpretation is that the Mexico documentation is TRUE AND CORRECT in substance, even if it was slightly modified, or if LHO told Mexico Immigration that his middle name was "Henry," or if the Mexican Immigration clerk mistakenly heard "Henry" (because there is a Spanish name, "Enrique" which means Henry and is very common in Mexico, but there is no Spanish equivalent to "Harvey).

Paul... your "interpretation" makes a variety of HUGE assumptions...

1. The Odio sisters are lying
2. The TRUE and CORRECT records do not show a car entering Mexico with 3 men...  aliases or not.
3. As I posted in another thread... the man on the 27th MUST be Oswald for all this to work yet not only are the ID's suspect, but TERESA PROENZA says she met OSWALD when he walked in "blind" yet could not talk to him since he only spoke English... She speaks Spanish...  we are to remember that the calls on the 27th from the MO (Man Outside) were in fluent SPANISH.  If the man she met was Oswald AND made these calls in perfect Spanish, why couldn't he speak to TERESA
4. William GAUDET's story about the Visa office conflicts with those who also got Visas there that day...

I could go on and on Paul... the real problem here is you take 1 thing to mean ALL things...  "Henry" had nothing to do AT ALL with Mexican Immigration.  The impetus for HENRY is the reply from CIA HQ on the 10th, in a DIFFERENT version of the same memo sent to STATE, ONI & FBI

Here's your "TRUE AND CORR#ECT" Mexican documentation... 

Paul, please try to stay within your comfort zone... when you make assumptions and statements that are supposedly FACT, they need to check out... yet they don't. 

An FBI asset at GOBERNACION "created" the evidence...  This Oswald was in Dallas...  That you can throw in that junk about Hall and Howard is just shameless...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32114512.pdf

States that it was TERESA PROENZA, the cultural attache for the Cuban Embassy, who first greeted this man who walked in "cold"...

The point here is that TERESA does not speak English so she turned him over to the nearest person, higher in rank, who spoke English...

Except the calls on Sept 27th were in SPANISH - adding more strength to the notion it wasx not Oswald on the 27th... and we know about the 28th...

DJ

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32185802.pdf 

Mora makes the comment that they can only link OSWALD to Mexico is by his activities BEFORE he went to Russia.

1 minute ago, Steve Thomas said:

I only put that in about the rifle being picked up, because, if a rifle was shipped, we have no way of knowing who picked it up. It could have been anybody.

Harry Holmes is the source for the information that a notice is placed in a PO Box when a box too large is received. 

Would we not then have this signed form for that PO BOX?  Or at least the unsigned form showing the delivery...

Steve, I am fairly confident that my work on the subject shows that none of the 100 rifles existed in the real world... They may have been in that box at Harborside, but I believe I've proven that those 100 rifles and their evidence only self-corroborate...  outside of the JFK case, there is no record of there ever being any of these rifles at Klein's... 

You can see the serial numbers written over an older form... 

Don't you find it odd that not one rifle from that 100 rifle shipment has EVER been found?

Found this as I was wadding thru the docs...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10054-10039.pdf  

"entered on duty from OSS"....

Seems to me that only 1 tooth fits there...

As for the blackness and bleed...  depends on how many generations we're talking about...

But this is consistent with the loss of a tooth...

DJ

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32396642.pdf

300 NAMES RELATED TO THE TIMES AND ASSASSINATION WITH MOST 201- FILES #'S OFFERED.  {PAZ}  

DJ

6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Jim,

 

Sure. Without all the supporting documentation, it goes like this:

 

Oswald freely admitted having the Selective Service card, but denied that was his signature.

Why?   

He was either lying or telling the truth. If he was lying, you could prove it by submitting the card to handwriting experts, but that wasn't done. Did the same person who signed the name “Hidell” on the SS card also sign the name Hidell on the form that ordered the rifle?

We don't know.

THIS IS THE SSS CARD FOUND IN ONE OF 4 WALLETS? OR WAS IN IT 2 OF 4 WALLETS?  WHAT WOULD HILL BE REFERRING TO WHEN THE WALLET WITH HIDELL IN IT WAS FOUND AT THE TIPPIT SCENE?
Mr. HILL. That was the second question that was asked the suspect, and he didn't answer it, either. 
About the time I got through with the radio transmission, I asked Paul Bentley, "Why don't you see if he has any identification." 
Paul was sitting sort of sideways in the seat, and with his right hand he reached down and felt of the suspect's left hip pocket and said, "Yes, he has a billfold," and took it out.  I never did have the billfold in my possession, but the name Lee Oswald was called out by Bentley from the back seat, and said this identification, I believe, was on the library card.   And he also made the statement that there was some more identification in this other name which I don't remember, but it was the same name that later came in the paper that he bought the gun under. 
Mr. BELIN. Would the name Hidell mean anything? Alek Hidell? 
Mr. HILL. That would be similar. I couldn't say specifically that is what it was, because this was a conversation and I never did see it written down, but that sounds like the name that I heard. 
Mr. BELIN. Was this the first time you learned of the name? 
Mr. HILL. Yes; it was. 

I can't find any instance where Lee used the card as form of identification for anything; to get a job, to buy a beer, to get a license – nothing. Sylvia Meagher says the same thing in her book, Accessories After the Fact. The name on the card links him to the rifle purchase.

AGREED

If he was telling the truth, who else was known to be signing the name A. Hidell?

Marina.

OR AT LEAST ADMITTING TO IT... SHE ALSO AGREED TO ADMIT TO TAKING 3 OR 4 PHOTOS WHEN SHE COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY HAVE TAKEN EVEN 1...  a PROCESS EVEN SHE WOULD HAVE TO REMEMBER

She admitted to signing the name Hidell to “two or three things” that were not pamphlets, but she wasn't asked what those “two or three things” were. She said that some of them were cards.

Oswald said he never ordered a rifle, and no postal employees saw him pick one up.

Did anyone else ever pick one up? We don't know.

THE RIFLE WAS NEVER ORDERED, NEVER SHIPPED, NEVER DELIVERED, NO POSTCARD WAS PROVIDED FOR PICKUP, NO 5' CARTON DISCARDED OR SEEN IN OSWALD'S POSSESSIONS, NO WAY OF GETTING IT HOME FROM DALLAS, AND THE RIFLE FOUND ON THE 6TH FLOOR DOES NOT EVEN MATCH CE139...   LOOKING TO MARINA AS THE SOURCE FOR THIS SEEMS LESS AND LESS LIKELY...

On several occasions, Marina says they were living on Neely St. in January, and that she saw the rifle in February, but they didn't move to Neely and rifle wasn't purchased until March.

I SEEM TO REMEMBER A VERY STRONG ARGUMENT FOR THE OSWALD'S NEVER LIVING AT NEELY...  AND SINCE SHE DIDN'T TAKE THE PHOTO(S) HE WORD IS WORTH NEXT TO NOTHING...

A photograph of Oswald with the rifle emerges 13 years after the fact. On the back is an inscription allegedly dedicating it to George DeMohrenschildt. The inscription uses a dating method that Oswald was not known to use, but Marina did. Marina says that the pictures were shown to George, but George says he never saw it. The handwriting experts commissioned by the government were unable to determine who wrote the caption on the back of the photo.

 

The picture and an undated letter concerning the Walker shooting fall out of items that have been in the personal possession of Marina; after they have been seized and searched by the Dallas Police.

 

It just makes me wonder.

ME TOO, BUT NOT ABOUT MARINA AS A SOURCE.   LOOK A BIT MORE DEEPLY INTO:  HAROLD MARKS

Steve Thomas

 

 

https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsRiflePart1.pdf   IS THE BEST i COULD DO AT THE TIME...  PAGE 57-58 AMONG OTHERS TALKS OF J HAROLD MARKS, ROBERT JACKSON AND THE PROCESS OF SECURING YET ANOTHER ORIGINAL OF THE PMO.

https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsMOTimeline.pdf   IS A TIMELINE THAT SHOWS THE CONFLICTS THAT DAY...

THIS REMINDS ME OF THE QUESTION - HOW GOOD A MARKSMAN WAS OSWALD... COULD HE MAKE THE SHOTS?

THIS PRESUPPOSES HE PLANNED AN ASSASSINATION FOR WHICH NO EVIDENCE EXISTS...

ATTRIBUTING THE RIFLE PURCHASE TO MARINA MAKES ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE RIFLE WITH WHICH I FIRMLY DISAGREE 

BUT ALWAYS A PLEASE DISCUSSING WITH YOU STEVE...  I'LL LEAVE 2% OPEN FOR THE POSSIBILITY...

Ergo, we do not get a film speed between 16 and 18 feet per second... but an impossible 18.3 feet per second...

what a coincidence...  well done

On 5/18/2010 at 9:35 AM, A.J. Weberman said:

One night in Hemming Little Havana office he whipped out his dick, only kidding, he whipped out photos of Daniel Carswell and told me this was the third tramp. He also told me when I returned the photos to him make sure they dont stick together.

Doesn't look like him at the back...  and the hairlines are wrong for the other two...

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