David Josephs

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 10:25 AM, Thomas Graves said:

Regardless, the fact that she testified that she worked at the Consulate on Saturdays does not necessarily mean that it (the Consulate) was open to the public on Saturdays.

Tommy - you don't really read the posts, do you?

"They do work on Saturday but are closed to the public...  it's in the testimony I posted. "

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 8:21 AM, David Josephs said:

CORNWELL - During this period was your normal work week, did it include Saturdays?
Tirado Yes.
Cornwell Is it possible that, in addition to his visits on Friday, he also came back the following day on Saturday mourning?
TIRADO - No.

Not really the point, now is it?   Other than the CIA saying so, the evidence does not corroborate Oswald there at all...  The FBI refers only to the CIA evidence when mentioning Oswald in Mexico.

Plainly and slowly....  the evidence for Oswald being in Mexico is not AUTHENTIC.   OSWALD was in Dallas, not Mexico.

Why is that so hard to accept and more on?

CORNWELL - All right. Let's try a different hypothetical. If the one in the Reader's Digest is definitely wrong, is it possible that he first came on like a Thursday, and then came back on a Friday?
TIRADO - No, because I am positively sure about it. That he came in the same day.

CORNWELL - Was there a doorman out near the area that you marked as number seven, on the diagram?
TIRADO - Yes, but on Saturday he never let people ...
CORNWELL - Never let people in.
TIRADO - No.
CORNWELL - Not even if they came up to the doorman and didn't speak Spanish? And were very insistent?
TIRADO - No, because they could answer or something. They could ask me for instance, no ? by the inter-phone.

31 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

David,

With all due respect, nice, long post!

I was responding to Sandy's (correct) allegation that a mysterious phone call to the Soviet Embassy (and which involved real-deal Duran and "Oswald") took place, according to CIA phone-tap transcripts, on Saturday, September 28, a day on which the Cuban Consulate was closed, no?

--  Tommy 

 

No. 

Both the Soviet "Consulate" (and Military Attaché) and the Cuban "Embassy" are open on Saturday.  Bill Simpich tells us that the calls from that day were all personal in nature, no business was done - if I remember correctly.

They do work on Saturday but are closed to the public...  it's in the testimony I posted.

The call on the 28th is supposed to be from inside the Cuban Embassy to the Soviet Consulate

CORNWELL - During this period was your normal work week, did it include Saturdays?
TIRADO Yes.
CORNWELL - Is it possible that, in addition to his visits on Friday, he also came back the following day on Saturday mourning?
TIRADO - No.

Icing on the cake is the same reports also state OSWALD called on Oct 3rd... and the same man was photographed again on the 15th...

How many lies need there be...  ??

Let's try to be exact...

There isn't even a hint of a twang of a southern accent in that video...

Yes Paul, he was "raised" in the South (ages 0-12 and 14-19), he trained in the South for the Marines and then was out of country..

He was then back in the South from June 62 on...

Of the 25 years Oswald was alive... how many years were spent in the South, at southern schools with other southern people?

Born in the South and leaves just shy of his 12th Bday   12 years  South
In NY Aug '52 thru Jan '54                                                       1.5 years  Not
In the South Jan '54 thru Oct '56                                           2.75 years  South
Jacksonville, Biloxi, Memphis  thru Oct '57                           1.0 year  South
Marines  Oct '57 thru Oct '59                                                   2.0 years Not
Russia Nov 1959 thru June 1962                                           2.6 years Not
July 1962 thru Nov 1963                                                         1.33 years South

17 years in the South and 6 years NOT in the south...   26% of the time NOT with 74% of the time in the South including when he learned to speak and go to elementary school.

South ages 0-12, 14-19, 22-23

Few things first...   the ongoing misinterpretation of the 27th of Sept is monumental.   EVERYONE involved agree these calls had nothing to do with Oswald...  Furthermore, based on the travel evidence he needed to get from the bus terminal to the hotel, check-in and then over to the Cuban Embassy to make this first call by 10:33.  This is the same terminal to which Oswald needs to take a taxi when he supposedly leaves Oct 2nd at 8:30am (after changing the leaving time from 2pm on a different bus line)   

1. The addition of "KOSTIKOV" occurs as a response from the Soviet speaker.... (that Nov 9 Paine typed letter attempts to reinforce this connection - another prop)
2. The bus and records available have him arriving at the bus terminal in Mexico at 10am.  First call?  "10:33 speaking Spanish"
3. The Oswald character never utters the word KOSTIKOV
4. The discussion about the 27th includes the conclusion that the caller was NOT Oswald  "Nothing to suggest....

TIRADO - No. I read yesterday, an article in the Reader's digest, and they say he was at the Consulate on three occasions. He was in Friday, Saturday, and Monday...That's not true, that's false.
CORNWELL - All right. Let's try a different hypothetical. If the one in the Reader's Digest is definitely wrong, is it possible that he first came on like a Thursday, and then came back on a Friday?
TIRADO - No, because I am positively sure about it. That he came in the same day.

CORNWELL - During this period was your normal work week, did it include Saturdays?Tirado Yes.Cornwell Is it possible that, in addition to his visits on Friday, he also came back the following day on Saturday mourning?
TIRADO - No.
CORNWELL - How can you be sure of that?
TIRADO - Because, uh, I told you before, that it was easy to remember, because not all the Americans that came there were married with a Russian woman, they have live(d) in Russian and uh, we didn't used to fight with those people because if you, they came for going to Cuba, so apparently they were friends, no? So we were nice to them with this man we fight, I mean we had a hard discussion so we didn't want to have anything to do with him.
CORNWELL - Okay. I understand that but I don't understand how that really answers the question. In other words, the question is, what is it about the events that makes you sure that he did not come back on Saturday, and have another conversation with you?
TIRADO - Because I remember the fight. So if he (come) back, I would have remembered.
CORNWELL - Did Azcue work on Saturdays?
TIRADO - Yes, we used to work in the office but not for the public.
CORNWELL - Was there a guard, was there a guard out here at the corner near number seven on your diagram on Saturdays?
TIRADO - Excuse me?
CORNWELL - Was there a doorman out near the area that you marked as number seven, on the diagram?
TIRADO - Yes, but on Saturday he never let people ...
CORNWELL - Never let people in.
TIRADO - No.

CORNWELL - But the people at the Consulate said they had read the newspaper and asked you what had happened, right?
TIRADO - Yes.
CORNWELL - Did you discuss that with anybody that you can remember specifically?
TIRADO - With the Ambassador.
CORNWELL - And what was the nature of that conversation?
TIRADO - I tried to repeat all the questions.
CORNWELL - Okay. Uh..would that have been a violation of what the police asked you to do? To talk to the Ambassador about that?
TIRADO - Huh?
CORNWELL - Was that a violation of what the police asked you to do? Was that...
TIRADO - Well, of course, They told me to keep quiet. I never says anything about what happened on Saturday. Never. but when I saw in the papers I couldn't say "Well, nothing happened." It was all in the paper and it was exactly what I said to the police.
CORNWELL - What did the Ambassador say to you?
TIRADO - That he was going to write a report and he sent it in the plane.
CORNWELL - What if anything did you consider doing at the time?
TIRADO - What?
CORNWELL - Did you consider taking any course of action at the time?
TIRADO - Oh. I was going to make a protest to the Mexican Government. We went to, a friend of mine was a daughter of the Chief of Tinetraph and we could reach the President and we were going to ask to explain what happened and you know, there was an illegal (tape stops)...

Seems to me the teeth from the exhumation does not show a recessed front tooth like the photo.

Guess I'm wondering why the teeth of the exhumed do not match the Marine's records....

but not really as we all should understand by now that the preponderance of evidence shows the existence of these two people since 1952...

One also has to wonder how the southern born Oswald never spoke with a southern accent....   So many little things that continue to add up.   

ok... Thank you...

As I replied in the other thread...

If you are confident that the files you refer to would still exist, or would never have been destroyed or hidden away...  I simply do not know enough about that aspect of the conspiracy discussions...

As I said on the other thread... I'll have to take your word for it as I just don't have time for one more topic...

"HARRY DEAN   IS - CUBA"    Why doesn't this refer to the assassination as the "LEE OSWALD  IS - CUBA" designation seemed to..?

I'd have to take your world for it then Ernie...

Are we then to understand that every file related to JBS and DEAN is still in existence?

Nothing would have been destroyed, nothing hidden away?

Can you explain the "HARRY DEAN    IS - CUBA" designation?  Wouldn't that be related to the assassination?

None of these links work for me...

The title of the thread led me to believe something was found in the Nov 2017 release...

I finally found something which I posted elsewhere in response to Ernie's insistence that DEAN existed only in Paul Trejo's Mind

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32312899.pdf

On 2/20/2018 at 9:20 AM, Ernie Lazar said:

Paul---you are off your meds again.  It is not a case of "proving you wrong".  It is simply a case of correcting your most egregious errors -- as many other people here have done repeatedly.  Harry Dean is not a "witness" to anything -- except in his and your mind.  As previously noted, NOBODY (but you) even mentions Harry Dean.

Say again?   

  https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32312899.pdf

Other memos in the pdf are at the link...

Thanks guys....  it was just a thought.

Speaking of Chinese Embassy... in Mexico City I just found the docs for project LCHARVEST against the Chinese embassy there...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10052-10275.pdf

as well as and FBI memo from Papich to Brennan about Operation JUDAS...  FBI says CIA "currently not involved in activity which includes plans to assassinate Castro"....

FWIW

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10111-10087.pdf

David....

Is "David L Christ" the same as David F Christensen ??

This is a Military notification of Cover Backstop taken out on Sept 27, 1963 requesting cover...

On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 7:56 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

 

I would be most appreciative if somebody body can confirm this, and especially if somebody can provide a reference.

 

Sandy,

We need to understand that by claiming Oswald was in a car - by definition he had to be with others... legend says he couldn't drive.

And it acts as a double edeged sword since is correct, the FBI's thousands of pagers showing he took a bus is ever that much more junk... yet as we both know, the existence of Oswald other than on those calls or at those embassies... cannot be proven.

By the night of the 23rd, the amount of Disinformation in this little paragraph is amazing.  Amb MANN of STATE was trying so hard to help the CIA...

This is from 104-10004-10256...    attached.   It keeps Oswald in Mexico until Oct 3rd... 

Except he was at the TEC on Oct 3rd... 1127 miles away...

I'd suggest working thru some of the Mexico articles on K&K that I posted....  All the info is in there...

There were a number of stories related to Oswald in a AUTO-mobile.   One of them has the border inspector claiming he remembered an american in a car with a man and a woman, another with a man a 2 women..  

Here is a piece of the OCT FM-11 for the 2nd half of Sept...  Shows "AUTO."  for transportation

On the 23rd of Nov US Consul HARVEY CASH has Tijerina type up cards he's gotten from Immigration at Gobernacion... and then lies about it to William KLINE...  Lester Johnson, PUGH and KLINE are covered in my work...  interesting back-peddling and excuse making going on here...

63-11-24 WHAT THE CIA CLAIMS TO HAVE KNOWN THE MORNING OF THE 24TH - QUITE A LOT104-10004-10256.pdf

Jim...  I do believe this tactic is simply to get a rise out of people....  especially you since you're educated and knowledgeable about the subject and tommy  it appears, has very little else to do.

I find it a bit hard to believe this is the result of short term memory loss, a side-effect of a medication,
abject ignorance, or RCPS - Repeated Clueless Post Syndrome...

It takes a real effort to ignore everything and parrot the same tired and incorrect information, even when it is your own brain child...

Why say in 2 words what you can post in 50?
Why learn ANYTHING when you can post and annoy half dozen people...

FUN!  

30 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

 

 

David, I remembered this quote of Hoover ,  to LBJ. and the first sentence is: "  "Ok, but I hope you are not being taken in."

I'm sorry Kirk... you've confused me...  the text was written on the memo above, not said to LBJ...

The memo is discussing CIA domestic operations... you think this went from Hoover to LBJ? or are the comments for the TO: and FROM:

??

On ‎2‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 12:17 PM, Pamela Brown said:

Agent Hosty said to me that when he asked LHO about going to MC he became enraged.  That at least tells me there was something of significance going on there.

Indeed there was Pamela....   And until anyone can refute the ID from both ODIO sisters... our little spy getting caught in the midst of spying would get me pretty hot too...

All he had to do was buy a 3 or 4 part ticket in New Orleans to and from Mexico City to Dallas...  even if he didn't go, at least there would have been a record...  there is literally no information on Oswald leaving New Orleans - which would dovetail nicely into his being driven off by 2 Cubans.

So Chris... what becomes apparent to me is the arbitrary location for STATION C...

As Shaneyfelt puts it, "The spot where the limo would have turned off Houston onto Elm"...  does this suggested it didn't?

I did this to show that STATION C can lead to either path... despite POSTION A not being on the limo's path and NOT the last place where the mark on the back of the stand-in can be seen... POSITION A is included and critical... z161, which was actually z168 in the final numbering of frames becomes THE spot... but only after May '64... before that it was 168

and the fabrication/alteration of material fact begins....

Mr. SHANEYFELT. The first position we established that morning was frame 161. 
Mr. SPECTER. Was there not a position established prior in sequence to frame 161, specifically that designated as position A? 
Mr. SHANEYFELT. That was actually established later. But the first one to be actually located was 161. And we went back later and positioned point A. 
Mr. SPECTER. Well, let's start with the position which is the most easterly point on Elm Street, which I believe would be position A, would it not? 
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes. 

When Azcue speaks to Cuba, Castro hears it if important enough..

If we look at the recent memos a month in either direction of oct 1,  a lot was going on down there.   

If im right, Oswald was on FBI work for Banister thru Houston, Austin, on up to Dallas.... Assume the CIA, Angleton’s group, is aware of this....  FPCC ops is, IMO the red herring..  FPCC in total was the red herring here... They were of no real consequence and 50% FBI informants.   

Anyway, Oswald to everyone would simply not be with Marina, a mystery.  FBI reports sound clueless... “we believe he went to the Paines” .... I think the Kaack report of Oct 31 is the first to mention his whereabouts. 

Phillips, Goodpasture, Scott on the CIA side and Mann from State comes along...  the 27th has already been judged not to be Oswald....  the 28th, Saturday, and the BS begins with voices, still no names, but voices with stories. The 28th these lines are closed to the public, personal calls only... the 28th witnesses see Oswald in Dallas at a firing range.... are his 2 comrades setting him up?

Oct 1... skipping Monday, we get another call, Tarasoff says it’s the same voice... broken Russian.... Spanish....   “My name is LEE OSWALD.  I was there last Sat....”

Choaden gets a shipment in VA.  After Oct 1.  Phillips promoted to Mexi Station Cuba CI desk... arrives October 7, 8.  Goodpasture memo of the 8th says Oswald... HQ sends back Oct 9, HENRY... Mann is hot for this and sniffs the spy deep snow stuff.... FBI is Clark Anderson down there...  No photos sent in Oct.  This is Mystery Man, yet Clark has the date correct... Compared to what the CIA told them about the 1st....

The FBI knew and still had to cover for the CIA... those dirty double dealers....

..........

LITAMIL9 nor the monthly reports mention a Lee Oswald as having been at the embassy.  There was report of one call by an American to the Soviet Embassy.  Our man called the Soviet Military attaché. Out of the blue. Yet this was not mentioned in the report... 

FBI, ONI, STATE are told.... FBI knows it’s not him immediately.... he’s in Dallas.

photo and voice not him... SA Peck reports on 20 informants for traces of Oswald... all negative... even his assets at the Gobernacion, negative...  the travel evidence still makes me laugh...

So, did the catch a mole?   IDK  But I do know that on the 23rd LBJ was asking Hoover on a recorded line about Mexico.  That Castro leads to Krushchev that leads to WW3.  He must have been alone then....   the 26th and Alvarado comes in with a story to tell....  screw you says Phillips, Oswald could still have gotten money from Castro to do it.... but no... HQ overrides the rogue and has him have Alvarado recant.  

We cant give up sources and means.... Duran’s statement with some other background will keep the source safe.... and allow us never to divulge that he was never there... yet all must proceed as if he were...

To speculate, finding out that Oswald was FBI-related happened in Dallas with Wade.  If I’m right, he was in Dallas on FBI work that week... Wade was ex FBI?

He’d be the one to know.... in Dallas.

I don’t see the Soviets working that way.... to unpredictable. They like to create directed chaos... rot the US from within....   only Americans think such short term and with the Smash it Kill it mentality....

Age old question remains... is any of this assassination related at the time it occurs and if not, when does it ... 12:30 on the 22nd?

Paul.. I have 2 or 3 of his books on pdf... I’ll check and get back to you tomorrow. 

(Did you hear far off laughter?)... 

Will it finally relieve me of your endless parroting of the first sentence to an idea to which you can’t seem to find a second sentence?

What would YOU call pushing an uncorroborated idea ad nauseum when requested repeatedly to expand from 1 idea into a supported theory that ties into other aspects of the case...

Looks more like e.e. cummings than an attempt at discussion or resolution...

You remain one of the laziest people here...   “please do my work, you all are the experts... “

patience gone now.... little respect that was left... gone.

bye tommy... 

In you, I have found the perfect sleep aid and laxative...  

See, you ARE helpful here... stipend well deserved....

11 hours ago, Thomas Graves said:

 

David,

With all due respect (and with apologies to LHO) -- "Your the genius detective, Josephs.  YOU figure it out." 

And while you're at it, give a plausible explanation for  Duran's and Azcue's collectively describing ...

--  Tommy 

 

Btw, have those probable coincidences and unexplanable anomalies (whatever it is you're referring to here) been proved to have been part-and-parcel of the evil, evil, evil CIA's conspiracy?  You know, "altering the wounds," the fifteen caskets, "the phony x-rays," "the missing x-rays," the really, really, really suspicious radio transmissions --- those sorts of things?

Or will I have to read "Harvey and Lee and the Two Marguerites" to understand it all?

 

Without a hint of respect....

your flippin theory... follow up and substantiate...  or can’t you be bothered by little things like facts in support of this idea you have?

I get it, if nothing else for your KGB idea jumps out of the research and into your lap, you repeat the one thing you do have ad nauseam and pray one of us comes to your aid....

Until you forward the idea, all you have is a self made mountian from a mole hill. And it’s not that good an idea in the first place... but how would you know that, right?

This thread was dedicated to proof of your idea... let’s concede you’re premise.

have you added anything to point 1... they described Leonov?  Or is that the lynchpin to your entire presentation of support, as well as the only item in the list?

Or is Tommy worried that the reaction is too similar to the government today?

Conspiracy? Russians.... 

Cold War is over.... Remember?

Put the KGB into Bethesda Tommy... 

Or in AF 1