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By David Shanet Clark, M.Ed. DeKalb County Historical Preservation Commission Teacher, Tucker High School , Tucker, Ga. E.I. Woodruff Fellow in History Wm. R. Hearst Foundation / United States Senate Scholar Organization of American Historians Historians make great dinner party guests. We can add facts and analysis to hunches and rumors that people are curious about. When people disagree on points of religion, politics and race, the historian is often the one to referee the debate. The War in Iraq , the Geneva Conventions violations, the failure of the Iraqi government – how will future historians critique the Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush era? The White House since 2001 has misinterpreted or twisted history to suit its needs. It has confused Iran with Iraq , it has confused the Taliban and Al-Qaeda with international communism, and it has neglected to study Gamal Abdul Nasser or the situation in the Balkans (formerly communist Yugoslavia ). It has failed to heed the lessons of basic military history. It has squandered the global support it enjoyed after 9/11 and it has used Colin Powell himself to destroy the post-Vietnam consensus policy called the ‘Powell Doctrine.’ The Bush administration failed to heed the lessons of the Roman Republic and the lessons of American foreign imperialism. They ignored lessons learned from Napoleon, Wellington and even the Third Reich. Historians, like other early critics, can say “we told you so, America ” because we knew THEN what is clear NOW. First, Iran and Iraq . Apparently the neoconservatives wanted to turn the clock back to the days before Jimmy Carter “lost” Iran . The Shah of Iran was a solid western ally, taking about $15 billion dollars in military aid from the US in the 1970s. When Iran fell to the “student” forces of the Ayatollah Khomeini in late 1978, the US lost a grand chess piece. After 9/11 with Saddam Hussein as a poster boy for bad behavior, Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney and Rumsfeld saw the opportunity to regain something similar. Rather than invade Iran itself, nearby Iraq became the coveted new chess piece. American overseas adventures could be sold to the public via fear. Colin Powell went to the United Nations (like Adlai Stevenson) and presented aerial photos of trucks and warehouses. He didn’t know it at the time, but he was simultaneously destroying his own reputation, the resilience of the post-Vietnam War “Powell Doctrine” and the memorable successes of JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. With the Iran-like (or Iran Light?) target in place, Bush linked Saddam to Al-Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks without any historical evidence. Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) were deduced and hysterical claims were used to browbeat the U.N. and Congress to authorize the use of force falsely (mushroom clouds and long range missiles were mentioned by the President and Secretary of State). The Secretary of Defense then over-ruled his own chiefs of staff and used only one third of the necessary ground troops to secure Iraq . Any first semester Military History 101 class will teach the necessity of large numbers of infantry troops being necessary after initial artillery barrages. Mr. Rumsfeld joined us in watching the “shock and awe” bombardment of Baghdad on CNN, but he put fewer than 200,000 troops on the ground to secure the large Middle Eastern target country. “Mission Accomplished” the signs said, but the reality was that the one man, Donald Rumsfeld, had made a colossal strategic error, and the U.S. would never secure the ground he had bombed and then weakly invaded. His new super-high-tech army was overloaded with batteries and lacked body armor, and the infantry simply could not secure and hold Iraqi territory rapidly enough. Major and simple historical conclusions were ignored; the lessons of Napoleon, Wellington , Vietnam , D-Day and the first Gulf War were lost. More major strategic errors mounted up in the years following the poorly planned invasion. Baathists were purged and Sunnis generally ostracized in the new Iraq . State Department diplomats who knew the symbolic power of Baathism to the area were ignored. Many Iraqi families tolerated Baathism under Saddam Hussein because it was the party of Egypt ’s charismatic Gamal Abdul Nasser. Nasser had invented the secular, authoritarian nation in the Middle East , and Saddam Hussein and Moamar Qadddafi stayed in power because of the powerful ability of these Nasserite lieutenants to hold together religiously divided regions under firm Baathist nationalism. Bush and his Cabinet misread or ignored all of this history. They failed to recall the crisis of Yugoslavia after Tito, the strongman, fell. They had no inkling that a state bundled together from old colonial provinces could fall apart if the strong man was toppled. The lessons of Serbia , Bosnia and Kosovo were lost. Mosul , Basra and Baghdad provinces were cobbled into state called Iraq only after World War One after the Turkish Empire collapsed, so the similarities between the Balkan crisis and Iraq should have been obvious. They failed on their own terms. When the Bush administration ventured into global adventurism and “pre-emptive” war on false grounds, they failed to even secure the new turf. Bush and Cheney in their panic to react to the hated reigns of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, built secret torture prisons (which were poorly run, with guards emailing pictures of naked piles of captives to their friends), they “legalized” domestic wire-tapping and data mining, they got caught kidnapping people in Europe (Extraordinary renditions) and generally made our diplomatic situation in the world much harder while squandering almost all the goodwill the U.S. enjoyed. When Bush pushed into his neo-imperial conquest of Iraq , he crossed the Rubicon. When Julius Ceasar crossed the Rubicon River he brought autocratic executive imperial powers to Rome , and ended Rome ’s long tradition of being a representative republic forever. Other historians point to avoidable mistakes in Iraq based on our historical knowledge of race, class, gender and religion. Hyper-masculine and self-defeating, the Bush imperialist executive probably does not see its adventure in Iraq as a generational issue. Historians who know about the post-Civil War generation drumming up the Spanish American War, they can see that eagerness to be tough “like Daddy’s generation” runs through this group, too. Ignorance and militant xenophobia along race, social class, religious and cultural lines are easily seen in the United States ’ occupation of Iraq today. The secrecy will not stop history, and people will tell the tale of the Bush years. Corruption, incompetence, waste, Cheney’s own Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root squandering vast fortunes…this was all historically predictable from the experience in Vietnam and other colonial wars. The ignorance of Arabic, the ignorance of Sunni, Shia and Kurd conflicts, the ignorance of basic military ‘artillery and infantry’ relationships, all these factors put the US in today’s embarrassing position. Neo-conservative ideology and silly reaction trumped planning, research and prudence. We tried to export democracy at the point of a gun and we failed. The sole superpower is bogged down in Babylon , and the U.S. has gained nothing while billions of dollars and thousands of lives are lost. The failure to think about history makes the counter-productive Bush crew into a probable punching bag for moderate, liberal and conservative historians well into the future. 30

How Historians Will View the George W. Bush Era By David Shanet Clark, M.Ed. DeKalb County Historical Preservation Commission Teacher, Tucker High School , Tucker, Ga. E.I. Woodruff Fellow in History Wm. R. Hearst Foundation / United States Senate Scholar Organization of American Historians Historians make great dinner party guests. We can add facts and analysis to hunches and rumors that people are curious about. When people disagree on points of religion, politics and race, the historian is often the one to referee the debate. The War in Iraq , the Geneva Conventions violations, the failure of the Iraqi government – how will future historians critique the Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush era? The White House since 2001 has misinterpreted or twisted history to suit its needs. It has confused Iran with Iraq , it has confused the Taliban and Al-Qaeda with international communism, and it has neglected to study Gamal Abdul Nasser or the situation in the Balkans (formerly communist Yugoslavia ). It has failed to heed the lessons of basic military history. It has squandered the global support it enjoyed after 9/11 and it has used Colin Powell himself to destroy the post-Vietnam consensus policy called the ‘Powell Doctrine.’ The Bush administration failed to heed the lessons of the Roman Republic and the lessons of American foreign imperialism. They ignored lessons learned from Napoleon, Wellington and even the Third Reich. Historians, like other early critics, can say “we told you so, America ” because we knew THEN what is clear NOW. First, Iran and Iraq . Apparently the neoconservatives wanted to turn the clock back to the days before Jimmy Carter “lost” Iran . The Shah of Iran was a solid western ally, taking about $15 billion dollars in military aid from the US in the 1970s. When Iran fell to the “student” forces of the Ayatollah Khomeini in late 1978, the US lost a grand chess piece. After 9/11 with Saddam Hussein as a poster boy for bad behavior, Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney and Rumsfeld saw the opportunity to regain something similar. Rather than invade Iran itself, nearby Iraq became the coveted new chess piece. American overseas adventures could be sold to the public via fear. Colin Powell went to the United Nations (like Adlai Stevenson) and presented aerial photos of trucks and warehouses. He didn’t know it at the time, but he was simultaneously destroying his own reputation, the resilience of the post-Vietnam War “Powell Doctrine” and the memorable successes of JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. With the Iran-like (or Iran Light?) target in place, Bush linked Saddam to Al-Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks without any historical evidence. Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) were deduced and hysterical claims were used to browbeat the U.N. and Congress to authorize the use of force falsely (mushroom clouds and long range missiles were mentioned by the President and Secretary of State). The Secretary of Defense then over-ruled his own chiefs of staff and used only one third of the necessary ground troops to secure Iraq . Any first semester Military History 101 class will teach the necessity of large numbers of infantry troops being necessary after initial artillery barrages. Mr. Rumsfeld joined us in watching the “shock and awe” bombardment of Baghdad on CNN, but he put fewer than 200,000 troops on the ground to secure the large Middle Eastern target country. “Mission Accomplished” the signs said, but the reality was that the one man, Donald Rumsfeld, had made a colossal strategic error, and the U.S. would never secure the ground he had bombed and then weakly invaded. His new super-high-tech army was overloaded with batteries and lacked body armor, and the infantry simply could not secure and hold Iraqi territory rapidly enough. Major and simple historical conclusions were ignored; the lessons of Napoleon, Wellington , Vietnam , D-Day and the first Gulf War were lost. More major strategic errors mounted up in the years following the poorly planned invasion. Baathists were purged and Sunnis generally ostracized in the new Iraq . State Department diplomats who knew the symbolic power of Baathism to the area were ignored. Many Iraqi families tolerated Baathism under Saddam Hussein because it was the party of Egypt ’s charismatic Gamal Abdul Nasser. Nasser had invented the secular, authoritarian nation in the Middle East , and Saddam Hussein and Moamar Qadddafi stayed in power because of the powerful ability of these Nasserite lieutenants to hold together religiously divided regions under firm Baathist nationalism. Bush and his Cabinet misread or ignored all of this history. They failed to recall the crisis of Yugoslavia after Tito, the strongman, fell. They had no inkling that a state bundled together from old colonial provinces could fall apart if the strong man was toppled. The lessons of Serbia , Bosnia and Kosovo were lost. Mosul , Basra and Baghdad provinces were cobbled into state called Iraq only after World War One after the Turkish Empire collapsed, so the similarities between the Balkan crisis and Iraq should have been obvious. They failed on their own terms. When the Bush administration ventured into global adventurism and “pre-emptive” war on false grounds, they failed to even secure the new turf. Bush and Cheney in their panic to react to the hated reigns of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, built secret torture prisons (which were poorly run, with guards emailing pictures of naked piles of captives to their friends), they “legalized” domestic wire-tapping and data mining, they got caught kidnapping people in Europe (Extraordinary renditions) and generally made our diplomatic situation in the world much harder while squandering almost all the goodwill the U.S. enjoyed. When Bush pushed into his neo-imperial conquest of Iraq , he crossed the Rubicon. When Julius Ceasar crossed the Rubicon River he brought autocratic executive imperial powers to Rome , and ended Rome ’s long tradition of being a representative republic forever. Other historians point to avoidable mistakes in Iraq based on our historical knowledge of race, class, gender and religion. Hyper-masculine and self-defeating, the Bush imperialist executive probably does not see its adventure in Iraq as a generational issue. Historians who know about the post-Civil War generation drumming up the Spanish American War, they can see that eagerness to be tough “like Daddy’s generation” runs through this group, too. Ignorance and militant xenophobia along race, social class, religious and cultural lines are easily seen in the United States ’ occupation of Iraq today. The secrecy will not stop history, and people will tell the tale of the Bush years. Corruption, incompetence, waste, Cheney’s own Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root squandering vast fortunes…this was all historically predictable from the experience in Vietnam and other colonial wars. The ignorance of Arabic, the ignorance of Sunni, Shia and Kurd conflicts, the ignorance of basic military ‘artillery and infantry’ relationships, all these factors put the US in today’s embarrassing position. Neo-conservative ideology and silly reaction trumped planning, research and prudence. We tried to export democracy at the point of a gun and we failed. The sole superpower is bogged down in Babylon , and the U.S. has gained nothing while billions of dollars and thousands of lives are lost. The failure to think about history makes the counter-productive Bush crew into a probable punching bag for moderate, liberal and conservative historians well into the future. 30

Structurally of course it is a program cryptogram similar to CIA program JM / WAVE and should probably be read as (secret CIA sub-program) JM / MARC JM was the code for all programs concerning CUBA.................. [i know Larry and Jim Richards know this / posted for other readers]

their is not nearly enough evidence for me to believe he is really dead -- looks more like a sign off

This is Tosh's last post, July 12: it is very oblique and disturbing, I think: TOPIC Roselli and KENCOM, "Keep Pushing and you...." William Plumlee post Jul 12 2007, 04:47 PM Advanced Member Posts: 533 Joined: 11-October 04 Member No.: 1680 Thanks for the E mail. I got your criptic message and this is my anwser to you. I know you read this form. "Go blow wind". I will post what I like and whover you are and who you work for can jump in the lake. You email has been turned over to the authorities. This message is for you. Here is something else for you to ponder. !n 1976 I told a Senate Investigator about details of KEN-COM; remember? Yes JFK and RFK were in process of assassination of Castro.... remember? Do you and Yours want to go there... well just keep up the threats and BINGO.... down the chutes for you boys. KEN-COM Remember? Now we will go into that very soon... Do you want to stop me... then come out of the shadows and face me one on one. How about details with names on TF-W Section C? Would you like that? How about the A- holes you work for? Would they like that? Send me another one of your "criptic "threating emails. I have not even started releasing classified information yet, but I am going to. What are you going to do about it? Lets get into the "Drug War of the 80's.... would you and yours like that. How about the Savings and Loan of the 80's. Yes... you and yours go suck an egg... I do what I want. I know the game. To the Forum. I am sorry for this type of message, but since some have seen fit to threaten me secretly after my postings of recent, I decided to respond public.... my message to you....Take your best shot... xxxxx. P.S Since you say I will be required by order to face a Senate Hearing... I say to you BS... I will not go... Ex Priv... seems to work for you guys... I think I will try it... See You At The Hearings...., but you will be there alone flogging your thumb.

I used to correspond with Tosh thru emails at this EdForum He is an old CIA mercenary pilot with a story to tell about johnny roselli and dallas 1963........he claims to have been in DaLLAS on november 22 and he was posted with SERGIO who he declines to Identify on the far side of Houston and Main looking back at the grassy knoll and TSBD ........sent there as a CIA observer/pilot to help ABORT a presidential assassination/ he went back to Miami to report to his boss Wm Harvey at JM/WAVE cia station......... Later in Pheonix AZ he filed detailed FBI complaints about ROSELLI and the US govt. He is most famous as a whistleblower on IRAN CONTRA where as a pilot involved he blew the whistle and testified to the SENATE committee under JOHN KERRY........ The anomaly betweent the HEADLINE about Tosh dying in SOUTH AMERICA and the text referring to AFGHAN (sic) is possibly explained by the fact that he had emailed many of us that he was going to do work in South America helicopter support for wireless telecommunications systems, I think he said............. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.>>>>>>>>>>>

We may just have to wait.........................

I salute Tosh ! A patriot who was honest and a whistle blower who called the bluffs of the agencies when they engaged with organized crime. How many times did he go to the FBI or the Senate Investigative Committees when his ETHIC was violated? An amazing colleague and someone I was proud to be in correspondence with. He reminded me of Guido (Eli Wallach) the pilot in the 1961 film the Misfits with Marilyn Monroe and Clark Gable............. but old mercenary pilots have been reported lost before........

Good thread, I agree about the black triangle hiding a frontal entry wound. I am not sure what to make of the gory close up / I have never been able to properly orient that photo in my mind. And what about the X-Rays showing the front of the skull shattered, which doesn't correspond to the photos or autopsy.........????

This is one of the most contested areas of testimony. If Morales was Leopoldo,then

I am looking forward to Tim Weiner's new book.

You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Tim Gratz. · View this post · Un-ignore Tim Gratz She sure helped balance his legacy when she advised him not to run in 1968. This distanced him from the reputation of ruthless power grabber, that colors perception of Dallas 1963. I think some interesting papers will emerge in the wake of her passing..........

John Simkins: Did you notice the MOCKINGBIRD reference in the family jewels that were recently de-classified? The CIA made it appear that the term project mockingbird only applied to a narrow pair of CIA investigations of journalists as ordered by President Kennedy in 1963.................. a limited hang out and spin doctored english, to de classify only that fleeting element in the program called MOCKINGBIRD

good thread. The UFO material is so difficult. I want to believe the affadavits, but I want to remain vigilant against psychological operations which much of the UFO material seems to be.......

Excuse me, but is this the thread about the REICHSTAG FIRE ?

Pat Did the "Oswald" rifle have a clip? I have read on the Forum that the Carcano had no clip and was loading the chamber by hand...

I agree with Ron / Item 97 HSCA does not strongly resemble the later photos of Eugenio Martinez. SPARTACUS FILE: EEEEEEugenio (Musculito) Martinez was born in Cuba. He moved to Miami after Fidel Castro gained power in 1959. Over the next few years Martinez became an active member of the anti-Castro Cuban movement in the United States. In the winter of 1962 Eddie Bayo claimed that two officers in the Red Army based in Cuba wanted to defect to the United States. Bayo added that these men wanted to pass on details about atomic warheads and missiles that were still in Cuba despite the agreement that followed the Cuban Missile Crisis. Bayo's story was eventually taken up by several members of the anti-Castro community including Nathaniel Weyl, William Pawley, Gerry P. Hemming, John Martino, Felipe Vidal Santiago and Frank Sturgis. Pawley became convinced that it was vitally important to help get these Soviet officers out of Cuba. William Pawley contacted Ted Shackley at JM WAVE. Shackley decided to help Pawley organize what became known as Operation Tilt. He also assigned Rip Robertson, a fellow member of the CIA in Miami, to help with the operation. David Sanchez Morales, another CIA agent, also became involved in this attempt to bring out these two Soviet officers. In June, 1963, a small group, including Martinez, William Pawley, Eddie Bayo, Virgilio Gonzalez, Rip Robertson, John Martino, and Richard Billings, a journalist working for Life Magazine, secretly arrived in Cuba. They were unsuccessful in their attempts to find these Soviet officers and they were forced to return to Miami. Bayo remained behind and it was rumoured that he had been captured and executed. However, his death was never reported in the Cuban press. Some researchers believe Martinez was involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. One source claims that Virgilio Gonzalez was the gunman in the Dal-Tex building and Martinez was his spotter. On 3rd July, 1972, Martinez, Frank Sturgis, Virgilio Gonzalez, Bernard L. Barker and James W. McCord were arrested while removing electronic devices from the Democratic Party campaign offices in an apartment block called Watergate. The phone number of E.Howard Hunt was found in address books of the burglars. Reporters were now able to link the break-in to the White House. Bob Woodward, a reporter working for the Washington Post was told by a friend who was employed by the government, that senior aides of President Richard Nixon, had paid the burglars to obtain information about its political opponents. In January, 1973, Martinez, Frank Sturgis, E.Howard Hunt, Virgilio Gonzalez, Bernard L. Barker, Gordon Liddy and James W. McCord were convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping. Eugenio Martinez now works in the real estate business in Miami, Florida. WILL WONDERS NEVER CEASE ? >>> >>> >>> IT IS A SMALL SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL

There was a small shed behind these horizontal slats in 11/63 but the re-enactment captured the light streaming through this structure in the ambush zone..........sniper? radio? observer? film?

Although I suspect Oswald did not shoot at General Edwin Walker, the One to One name correspondence has elements of a program........

[[[ james - Check out how "Morales" is standing in the supporting photo Bernice sumbitted. Check out the body English, this guy the "Big Indian" is chambered and ready to secure that staging area at the TSBD door, if you know what I mean....]]] Ron, Well, it looks like a great many people were there and then did not come forward..............the two with Emmett at the ambush salient, DCM and his mate, also at salient zone, the Nix/moorman figures, drivers of vehicles, the figures on the overpass, ............ I personally will look at my files and see if I was there............ I hope everyone has read Mark Lane's full account "PLAUSIBLE DENIAL (APPENDIX)" of the Howard Hunt libel trial, where he couldn't substantiate his whereabouts and his kids would not vouch for him from the stand..........Nixon was lately in town, Lucien Conein and Rip Robertson were there, Tosh on an abort mission/observation from Miami JM/wave station for CIA's Wm Harvey, Woody Harrelson's father Charles, ..... Roselli and oh George HW Bush Sr., Unusual. that photo identification discussion.............. The Cabinet proper was out of the country and James McCord was fairly visible. Anyone snapped Frank Sturgis or E. Martinez in the photos? YES JIM .... could well be the big Indian Morales >>>>>>>>>>>>>>...

Good thread. I see what you mean that the narrative now in place is a contingent thing cobbled together when things went wrong and Oswald was not disposed of as planned. I wonder about Tippett, could he have wanted to end the program, the "false/mock" assassination? Was he breaking from the strain of widespread Dallas Police corruption and infiltration around the Carousel? Was he at Dealey and involved in the gunfire? Who ever killed him was a cold blooded murderer, and the facts point away from Oswald, except for the double frame aspect...............questions, no answers, sorry

Thanks for confirming with footnoted accuracy the claim I made above, about the CIA killing US military personnel..................... your tax dollars at work