Denis Morissette

Just tried to enhance the three segments of Frazier on Fritz. Sounds so bad! If you hear something interesting, let us know!

This is the full interview. Below is a summary I made. The times I put on the left is for each individual cassette. At certain points, I indicate the time on the right that matches the YouTube video. If you reply to this post, please don`t use the quote function because it's going to make a crazy long reply. Some parts are better than others. I recorded this with good equipment at NARA. The squeezing noise the tape at times, very tight tape, was incredible. I could hear it 200 feet from the cassette player. If I heard properly, Frazier did not mention the physical threat made to him. Listen at 29:05 and 51:30 and 1:23:24 up to 1:24:33. Do you full transcript of it? In the tape, the HSCA investigator indicates he would give Frazier a separate audio tape and a transcript of the interview. Frazier told me he does not have any of it. I think he never listened to this interview. I will use Audacity to enhance those portions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GhPJBfLxy8 CASSETTE 1, SIDE 1 (45 minutes) Starts with squizzy voices Corresponds to Larry Rivera’s transcript he entitled “TAPE 3”. CASSETTE 1, SIDE 1 (45 minutes) Starts with squizzy voices Corresponds to Larry Rivera’s transcript he entitled “TAPE 3”. 0:30. Frazier describes the action in Dealey Plaza when the motorcade passed by 2:43: Frazier: First shot. 3:23: Frazier: Two more shots. 4:15: Did you keep standing there on the steps after you were told JFK had been shot? 4:35: You were standing there with Lovelady and Shelly? 4:48. Frazier: “No, I did not”. He then describes what he did right after the shots. 6:00. After all that, what did you do? 6:20: Frazier describes the action in Dealey Plaza and the shots. 7:15: Where did the shots come from? 7:45. Frazier: Came from my right-hand side and above. 8:02: Are you in the picture? (Interviewer is referring to Altgens 6) 8:23: So the shots came from the building? 9:26: Did the sound of the shots all seem to be coming from the same place? 10:00. Frazier: Yes. 11:26. Frazier told himself to stay where he was in order to not attract attention and look suspicious. Shelly asked everyone to stay where they are. 13:23. Frazier went down in the basement. 14:42: Frazier went to see his father at the hospital. 16:28. Two detectives were waiting for him. 19:47. Location of the hospital? 20:11. Frazier: They took me down to the Irving Police Department. They questioned me. They took me down to the DPD. 20:59: Frazier: Fritz came in. No respect for Fritz because of the way he treated him. 28:39: Did they tell you they had Oswald? Frazier: “No” 23:48: When did you find out that Oswald was in custody? 24:25: Did Mr. Shelly tell you to go home? Frazier: “No” 24:36. Did you see JFK get shot? Frazier: “No” 24:54: You stayed there with the ladies? Frazier: “Right”. Did you go back in the building or just stayed there to see what happened7 25:04: Frazier: We stayed right there for a good while. 25:08. Did you see Lee coming out of the building at that time? 25:17: Frazier: No, I did not. 25:20: Did you know Lee was out of the building? Frazier: No, I did not. Discusses this until 25:56. 25:56 to 26:18: Discussion on employees’ whereabouts. 26:18: Policemen’s movements after the shots 27:00: They let you go, and you went to Irving? 27:08. But at that time, you knew that Oswald had been among the missing? Frazier: “Yes” 27:08. Did you discuss that with anybody? Frazier: “No. We watched TV and did not say too many things” 27:45. Frazier: “I went home first, then to the hospital” 28:14. Did you know about Tippit? Frazier: “No. I did not know” 28:54: Was there a broadcast of the description of Oswald at that time? Or did you know that Lee was being sought? Frazier: “No” 29:06. Frazier: “I will tell you this. I knew Lee had been in Russia. I told myself, “Oh my God”. 29:52. Did they give a reason for taking you in custody? 30:02. Frazier: The detectives told me, “We’re sure that you know what happened” 30:47: While you were driving, did you think about the curtain rods? Frazier: “No” 31:06: When did you first think about those curtain rods? Frazier: They started asking me about a package that I could have seen. 31:33. When you went back home, did you see __________________? Frazier: I did not see any. 31:49: Did you get any problems getting back home? Did you see anybody arrested? 32:34: Frazier: The detectives had been at my sister’s house for a search. 32:44. Discussion on the location of his sister’s house relative to Paine's house. 34:00. Last time you saw Lee, was he nervous? 34:26: You two talked about JFK’s visit? 35:08. Frazier: Lee was himself. 35:23. But Lee knew the president was coming? Frazier: “Right” 35:46. When you were with Lovelady in the doorway, did they come back right after the shots? 36:03: Did they tell you what they had seen? 36:17. Were you with Junior at that time? Frazier: Don’t remember 36:31. Do you remember talking to Lovelady at that time? Frazier: Don’t remember 36:52. Were the police in the building __________________________at that time? 37:12: Have you ever taken pictures with Lee? Was anybody taking pictures? 37:29. Motorcycles’ backfires 37:58: Did you see a third motorcycle? The interviewer is referring to the motorcycle that turned onto Elm Street, but stopped. 38:57. Did you see someone faint? They had to call an ambulance. 39:24: Remember someone coming by and picking somebody up? 39:39. Remember seeing a commercial vehicle? An automobile all painted up. The interviewer is referring to Honest Joe. Frazier: “No” 40:31. Before you lived at your sister’s, where did you live? 41:00. Interaction with the DPD. Line-ups. Polygraph test. 42:33. Did you have any problem starting your car? Ends with “It won’t hold very long before…” CASSETTE 1, SIDE 2 (14 minutes) (45:15 in my montage of the full interview) 0:02. Did you ever borrow a car from the family? 0:12. What cars were owned by family and in-law family? 3:40. How was Lovelady dressed on that day? How old was he? Details on Lovelady. 5:22. Lovelady’s car 5:58. Did you have a mustache? Have you ever been told you look like LHO? 6:20. The way Captain Fritz’ treated you. Did he try to make you say certain things? (51:30) 7:18. Questions on the curtain rods. 7:38. What did the package look like? 11:38. How did Lee carry the package? 13:35. Frazier: You can break a weapon down. Ends with: “Would it be safe to say that he was carrying….” END CASSETTE 2, LABELED “SIDE 2”, BUT IS REALLY SIDE 1 (44 minutes) (59:38 in my montage of the full interview) 0:10. “It’s now 5PM. We’re taking a break” 0:20. Back to the discussion on the package. 0:43. Have you ever seen a rifle? 0:53. At what time did you get to the hospital? Frazier thinks he saw that on TV when he arrived home. 1:08. You knew JFK and Tippit got shot before you arrived at the hospital? 1:50. At the hospital, did you know that Tippit had been shot? Frazier thinks he saw that on the news, not sure. 2:05: At the hospital, did you know they arrested Oswald? Frazier: No Sir. I did not know. But I heard about someone held at the Texas Theater. 3:25. Did you know where Oswald lived in Oak Cliff? 3:45. The people who took you from the hospital were from which organization? 4:25. Who interrogated you at the DPD? Polygraph test and interrogation 5:15: Did you get any brutality during the interrogation? (1:04:02) Frazier: No sir, but very close. 5:50. Discussion on the package replica for the Warren Commission by Frazier and his sister. 7:58. People missing from the TSBD? Roll call. 8:30. Who did you know was missing? 8:47. You knew Oswald was missing? 9:20. When you really knew that they had arrested Oswald, did you get scared? 9:30. Frazier: Yes, I did. 8:55. When you were at the hospital, were you worried Oswald had done something before you learned of his arrest? 10:52. Did you know it was Lee who got arrested when you were at the hospital? 11:23: Shelly and Lovelady: Their movements when the limousine passed by 12:15. Did they move to the curb before the motorcade came? 13:00. Where were you standing exactly when the motorcade turned the corner? 14:15. Lovelady or Oswald in the photo? The interviewer refers to Altgens 6. Does the picture correspond to the first shot? 18:20. There are windows on the first floor. Was it possible to look out those windows? Were you there at any time looking out those windows? 19:46: You remember talking to Lovelady, Junior or Jarman inside the building? 19:54: When did you last see Oswald in the building before the motorcade? 20:28. Frazier: First floor. Checkered floor. 20:53. What direction did Lee go down? 22:02. Did you have a conversation with Lee at that time? Frazier: Not in my knowledge. 22:10. Could anyone go on the elevator and operate it himself? 22:53. When you went to work that day, can you remember when you________? Frazier: I don’t remember. 23:58. Which official agencies interrogated you? Frazier: Can’t remember other than Rose and Stovall Discussion on Captain Fritz 24:57. Was your home searched? 25:38. Search warrant? 25:48. Sister was also taken down to the police station. 27:10. Discussion on when the police picked him up at the hospital. 28:20. There must have been a conversation at home when you came home. What did your family tell the policemen who searched the house without a search warrant? 20:48. Discussion on Frazier’s 303 rifle and shotgun. 30:02. Did your mom ask you what happened? 30:27. Did anybody try to reach you at the hospital? 30:55. Have your read O’Toole’s book The Assassination Tapes? 34:57. __________ back door? 35:30. Ruby shooting Oswald must have been the talk of the day. 37:18. The _______ was still sealed off? INAUDIBLE UNTIL 39:28. 39:28. Remember Charles Givens? 40:32. Has Lee ever asked you or anyone to cash a cheque for him? 41:57. Discussion on Lee’s appearance. 42:35. Lee had a nickname? 42:48. Did you have a nickname? 43:40. Ever worked for the federal government? (1:43:18) 44:10. Ends with: Frazier: In the army, they trained me… ENDS AT 44:18. “Yes, Sir” CASSETTE 2, LABELED “SIDE 1”, BUT IS REALLY SIDE 2 (12 minutes) ( 1:44:01 in my montage of the full interview) 44:22. “Yes Sir… You’re OK?” 44:35. Frazier discusses cooking. 48:55. Can you elaborate on the danger you might put yourself in talking to people about the case? 50:03. Any threats? Warnings? 52:20. Jim Garrison INAUDIBLE 56:12. Interviewers give Frazier a business card and asked Frazier to call them if anything. ENDS OF THE INTERVIEW WITH “Thank you very much”. (1:56:26) CASSETTE 3, SIDE 1 (45 minutes) (1:56:26 in my montage of the full interview) 0:00. “A little test here” 00:25: We’re in the office of Attorney Beck. 1:30. Another recording is being done that will be given to Frazier along with a transcript. 2:18: Frazier introduces himself. 4:20. Can you elaborate on how you met Lee? Discussion on where the Paines and Frazier lived. 7:50. Routine of driving Lee to work. Questions on where Lee lived in Dallas. 11:52: Frazier: Lee was an intelligent man. Interviewer asks for examples of that. Until 13:30, Frazier talks about Lee’s ability to do the work at the TSBD. 13:30: Did it occur to you why such an educated man would be working at the Depository? 15:06: What kind of car did you have at that time? 15:55: Oswald drove? 19:20: What was your particular duty at the TSBD? 21:32: When did you start working at the TSBD? How did you get the job? Discussion on the other building on Houston Street. 26:33. Frazier: I worked with Junior. Discusses other employees. 28:03: Jack Doughtery, a large man. 250 pounds. 29:00. An old Black man, Pipper. 30:00. “Let’s take a break here”. 30:50: We were talking about a man named Piper. 31:36: Bill Shelly still at TSBD? 33:19. Talked to Lovelady lately? 37:42: Frazier discusses his lunch routine at the TSBD. 38:52: Did you once in a while eat out during lunch? 39:26: Did Lee eat out? 40:15: Did Lee buy things off the truck? 42:32: Did Lee have a watch? 42:45: What did Lee call you? 43:26. Frazier: Lee respected me. 44:45: CUTS at “That’s interesting. He was what?” (2:41:41) CASSETTE 3, SIDE 2 (13 minutes) (2:41:41 in my montage of the full interview) Resumes with “That’s interesting. He was what?” INAUDIBLE UNTIL 46:05. 46:05: How did Lee react to criticism? 46:50: What kind of worker was Lee? 49:48: Until when did you stay at the TSBD after November 22, 1963? Frazier: Until 1965. 50:10: Let’s talk about November 22, 1963. 52:08. How about the 7th floor? 54:48: Where was this checkered place? Frazier: First floor. 54:56: Were you required to wear special equipment? 56:05. “Let’s take a break. It’s 3:33 PM” 56:28. You gave the impression that you knew Lee before he got the job at the TSBD. 57:33. Did Lee have more than one kid? 57:43: How many cars did the Paines have? (2:54:10) 57:55. Have you ever seen Lee drive? 58:08: When you were in the car with Lee, what were you talking about? (2:54:37) END WITH “He told me…” CUTS. Rest of that side of the cassette is blank. (2:55:54) CASSETTE 4, SIDE 1 (45 minutes) (2:56:05 in my version of the full interview) 0:00. Introduction by interviewer: “We are picking up where we left off. Lawyer not present”. Side 2” 0:15. Did Lee have trouble with his wife? 0:27: Frazier: “No” 1:03: Ever knew of a 14-year-old boy traveling with Lee? 1:18: Where did you usually park your car when you went to work? 1:47: Curtain rods 2:23: Can you tell me about those curtain rods? 2:57: Just before going there, let’s talk about your car. Did you lock it up? 3:18: Were you in the Reserve? 3:55. Frazier. I went in the US Army in 1965 for 2 years. 5:15. You said you knew John, Junior. 5:27. Can you remember what agency helped you get the job at the TSBD? 5:43. Do you know how Lee got his job at the TSBD? 8:03. Did Lee have the occasion to go to the other building? 8:17. Who was Lee’s direct supervisor? 8:33. If we showed you photos of people around or in the TSBD, would you be able to identify who was working at the TSBD? 9:27. Have you seen since November 22, 1963 pictures taken in Dealey Plaza that did not surface in newspapers? 9:50. Frazier: “No” 10:40: What time did the food truck usually come by? 11:33. Between 9:30AM and 10AM. 11:40. Where did Lee usually eat his lunch? 12:03: How did Lee and Shelly get along? 12:28. How did Jarman and Lee get along? 12:40. How about Shields? 13:29. Did Shields know Lee and get along well? 14:18. Lovelady kept working at the TSBD? Did he leave first? 14:35. Did Lovelady discuss the death of Lee? 16:15. What was the general feeling of the people in the building? Did they feel he did it or not? (3:12:18) 17:05. Did Lee talk about going to Mexico? (3:13:11) 17:11: Frazier: “No” 17:32. Have you given a written statement that you signed? (3:13:30) 18:50. “Let’s take a break here. About 3 PM” 19:07. Did you know Officer Tippit? (3:15:09) 19:22. Did you know Jack Ruby? 19:38. Did Lee smoke? 19:54. Did Lee wear glasses? 20:21. Did Lee wear clothes different from the other employees? 22:50. When you applied for your job at the TSBD, did you have to give some references? 23:28. Did your co-workers talk about hunting season, guns? Frazier: I did not discuss guns with Lee. 25:28. No discussion on guns? Trading guns? 26:48: In 1963, did you own a gun? Frazier: A 303 and a shotgun. 28:52. Did you meet Marina or Marguerite? Frazier: Marguerite, no. Marina, I can’t remember. I have seen Marina in the neighborhood. 29:45: Have you seen Lee reading some political pamphlets? Frazier: No. 30:38. Chronology of November 21 and 22, 1963. 32:10. Curtain rods. 39:43: When was the last time you saw Lee? Frazier: Some time before lunch. 49:10. Frazier. I was on the steps with Shelly and Lovelady. 40:32. Back to November 21, 1963. 41:07. Did Lee indicate where he would get the curtain rods from? Frazier: No. 41:53 until 44:15. Back to November 22, 1963. When did Lee arrive at your house? Discussion on Lee’s movement around the car in Irving in the morning. 44:15. “You always locked the car? “Discussion on the lock problem. Frazier: One of the doors at the back did not lock. ENDS WITH “He figured that one out. All right.” (3:41:04) CASSETTE 4, SIDE 2 (10 minutes) (3:41:00 in my montage of the full interview) Starts with “You always lock the car. “ 1:00. You’re getting out of the car, and you want to add power to the battery. 1:38. You remember how Lee was dressed on that day? 3:00. Did you see Lee at lunch time? 3:13. “Let’s take a break. 3:38PM” 3:27. The attorney is still absent. 4:01. Did you see Lee at lunch time? Frazier does not remember. 4:28. You decided to go outside to see the motorcade with Lovelady and Shelly. Remember anyone else with you? (3:45:36) 4:46. Frazier: Some of the women who worked upstairs. 4:57: One of the ladies was a large one, a blond one. Don’t know her name, but Shelly does know her. Frazier describes the activity in Dealey Plaza. 8:15. Suggested to the heavy-set lady to stay on the steps instead of risking getting hurt on the street. 9:38. Discusses motorcycle backfires 10:15. The motorcade came around the corner. 9:30: We are running out of tape. 10:25. “We’re taking a break here at 3:53 PM” ORDER OF THE TAPES Cassette 1, Side 1 Starts: Action in Dealey Plaza Ends: Problems with car battery Cassette 1, Side 2: Starts: Have you borrowed a car? (Same interviewer) Ends: Package Cassette 2, Side 1 Starts: Package Ends: “Yes Sir!” Cassette 2, Side 2 Starts: “Yes Sir!” Ends: Investigators give Frazier their business cards and ends the interview seemingly for the day. Cassette 3, Side 1 Starts: “A little test here. We are in Frazier’s attorney’s office” Ends: “Interesting” Cassette 3, Side 2 Starts: “Interesting” Ends: Frazier and Lee in the car Cassette 4, Side 1 Starts: “We are picking up where we left off… Side 2” Ends: Car lock issue Cassette 4, Side 2 Starts: Activity on November 22, 1963 Ends: Taking a break at 3:53 PM.

I have the full interview on tape. I’m amazed I don’t remember that. I’ll check.

It is Lee.

Ellsworth was probably confused. He’s the only one saying that. The gun filmed: It’s probably one of the officers walking with a shotgun as seen in the Alyea film.

Dr. Mantik has replied: https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/dr-david-mantik-admits-elmer-todd-s-initials-are-on-ce-399

Re-read all that I posted in this thread.

Joe, what’s your issue with Caster’s Mauser? Was he part of the conspiracy too? Did the conspirators steal Caster’s Mauser from his home? For what reason? And where are the photos of the Mauser that Craig claim the police took? You really have nothing that it hurts. Don’t let yourself influenced by people who are making money out of the assassination. Use your own brain.

James D., if Weitzman found the Mauser, then who found the Carcano? Where was the Mauser found? At what time? Who reported 2 rifles found on the 6th floor? Where are the photos of the Mauser that Craig said the police took? Who took the Mauser out of the building and where did he go with it? And when? I’m guess you have no idea.

That’s the only rifle found.

You see a Carcano or a Mauser?

Caster said it himself.

I mean that during the search for rifles, nobody stated that 2 rifles were found. If one did, type his name. I can’t pretend I know everything, but surprise me!

Deputy Sheriff Jack Faulkner who was with the group looking at the rifle told me “A Carcano is a Mauser. Right?” Boone and Weitzman probably meant Mauser as the general term like Frigidaire is for fridges. One of them wrote “Mauser bolt-type” in his affidavit. I think it’s more what both originally had in mind. Had Weitzman been alive in the 90s, I would have clarified all this mess.

In his 70s interview Craig says Mauser was readable on the rifle. But he doesn’t say if it is he who read or someone else told him. The interviewer didn’t probe.

I don’t find it suspicious at all. Why would anyone do? Caster brought it back home on 11/20, so it has nothing to do with 11/22. You’re just trying to come up with fun stuff. You should be more worried about having zero image of a Mauser and have zero witness who saw 2 rifles. Everybody, including Weitzman and Craig, remember 2 rifles. The only rifle photographed is a Carcano.

I meant on 11/22 after the shooting.

Are you open to the idea that Craig was lying?

Are you open to the possibility of 3 or 4 rifles found? The rifle had a scope. Can you provide a Mauser with a scope and still showing Mauser?

There are police photos of the Carcano, I’m sure you know. But none of the Mauser. There are photos and films of the Carcano inside and outside the TSBD. But none of the Mauser. Do you admit there was a Carcano found?

Now there is no longer a need to suppress Hunt’s photos.

Some are working overtime trying to dismiss Pat’s discovery.

Joe: Who saw 2 rifles?

Joe: Roger Craig said the police took photos of the Mauser. Where can I see those photos?