Robin Unger

David. I don't subscribe to the Zapruder film alteration theory. I do however, beleive the technology was around in the 50's to alter any film SHOULD the government have wanted too. Hollywood California. Look Out Mountain. TOP SECRET FILM LAB AND FILM STUDIO'S

Bell Frame: Notice what appears to be a "white van" parked back near the train cariage. Bell Frame showing the 6th floor window, and the white van.

Interesting that both film makers Bob Hughes and Mark Bell were federal employee's and worked out of the same building as Holmes. The Terminal Annex Building. The Bell frames showing Houston st and the TSBD were obviously shot from somewhere high up in that building.

Taking a closer look at the two shadow,s i now beleive them to be Moorman and Hill.

In altgens 6 i see Charles Brehms hands clapping, behind him i see the man wearing the leather apron with his left hand extended slightly. I don't see a shadow cast from Altgens, as his camera doesn't capture the surface of the ROAD where he is standing to take the photo. But to the right of Altgens i see two shadows, do they belong to Mary Mooman and Jean Hill. ? Does one of them belong to Bothun. ? If one of the shadows belongs to Moorman, at this point in time she does NOT appear to be standing in the street. ?

Thanks Lee. Looks like a re: enactment but an interesting photo. Lee If you watch the JFK court room segment on the DVD, there are some crowd scenes that you would SWEAR were authentic. They are so well done with the type of film and color matching he used. I always have to be very carful when i am grabbing frames from the DVD, that i only take what is original footage.

We mince. That's our job. It's just striking to me that those standing in front of the TSBD aren't looking up. There's also a decided lack of reaction from the people across the street in the Elsie Dorman film (taken from the 4th floor of the TSBD). I tried to nab a clear frame from it but my copy of the film is too dark. A frame from the Dorman film showing a woman in a BLUE dress running just in front of Rosemary Willis. She has a camera in her hand, this was confirmed by Garry Mack.

Knowing your special interest in our friend Harry Holmes, i thought you may find the Holmes John martin connection of interest.

From the Penn Jones Collection at Baylor University. Large full size image of Ed's crop here: Another shot of the Limo taken from a different angle.

We mince. That's our job. It's just striking to me that those standing in front of the TSBD aren't looking up. There's also a decided lack of reaction from the people across the street in the Elsie Dorman film (taken from the 4th floor of the TSBD). I tried to nab a clear frame from it but my copy of the film is too dark. Mark/Lee I agree, i also do NOT see anyone looking up in any of the assassination images.

Frames taken from JFK the movie DVD.

Hi John. I came across this newspaper article reffering to Rodriquez Molina who was employed at the Texas School Book Depository. Below is his testimony from the Warren Commission.

Interesting that merriman also states that the president was face down " on the seat " being cradled in Jackies arms as she bent down over him. Possibly to cover his head from view of spectators. Was agent hills jacket over jfk's head at this point. ? No mention of the jacket by Smith. He also states that Connally was on his back on the FLOOR of the Limo, not lying back across the jump seats. ? If that is right, it means that both he and nelly had to have jumped over the back of there jump seats. That doesn't sound right to me. ? In regards to the Bubbletop. I beleive that the limo may have been reffered to as the "Bubbletop Limo" as a generic term by the press pool. Much the same as we call the Texas School Book Depository the " TSBD "

Thanks for posting that pic James.

The Man Who Named the Grassy Knoll by Gary Mack, Curator The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thirty-five years after the Kennedy assassination and speculation about a conspiracy, "grassy knoll" has become a generic term connoting hidden plots and subterfuge. But who coined the phrase? Until now the answer has remained elusive, yet newly-discovered information identifies the source as a member of the news media. Here's how it happened. The Kennedy motorcade from Love Field through Dallas included a news "pool car" loaned by the telephone company. It was the fifth car behind President Kennedy. Riding in the right front was Malcolm Kilduff, Mr. Kennedy's acting press secretary. In the middle sat senior White House correspondent Merriman Smith of United Press International (UPI). Thanks to a long-standing agreement to alternate seats with the competing wire service, Associated Press (AP), Mr. Smith sat directly in front of the car's only radio telephone. In the back seat sat the AP's Jack Bell, Robert Baskin of The Dallas Morning News and Bob Clark of ABC News. When the shots were fired, Mr. Smith's car rode several hundred feet behind the president. The reporter had time to hear and see reactions from the crowd and police escorts, one of whom, Bobby Hargis, immediately stopped, jumped off his Harley-Davidson and raced up the nearby hill to a low concrete wall, passing horrified spectators lying on the ground. As officer Hargis ran, the pool car picked up speed entering the Triple Underpass to Stemmons Freeway and the wild race to Parkland Hospital. Mr. Smith grabbed the radio telephone and called the Dallas UPI office, which sent out his dispatch at 12:34, four minutes after the shooting. "Three shots were fired at President Kennedy's motorcade today in downtown Dallas," he reported, and news bulletins around the world began with that short statement. Meanwhile, in Anna, Illinois, WRAJ-AM owner and manager Don Michel responded to the UPI teletype warning bells and relayed those early reports to his startled listeners. Fortunately, Mr. Michel did something few others had presence of mind to do. He saved the UPI dispatches and filed them away, figuring someday they would be valuable for history. He was right. Mr. Michel placed those rare pages on loan to The Sixth Floor Museum, where several have been on display since opening day in 1989. One of the pages in our archive reveals that in a dispatch sent almost exactly 25 minutes after the assassination, Mr. Smith reported "Some of the Secret Service agents thought the gunfire was from an automatic weapon fired to the right rear of the president's car, probably from a grassy knoll to which police rushed." No other news reports or witness interviews are known to contain the phrase "grassy knoll" at that time. In fact, tapes of local news coverage reveal that "grassy knoll" was later repeated by a few other reporters for several hours until investigators became convinced the shots originated from the old Texas School Book Depository. Yet it remains an historical fact that police and spectators immediately ran to the grassy knoll, not to the Depository building. And UPI's Merriman Smith reported it first.

Thanks Pat. I must admit, i am not very familiar with Smith's work. !

I found this an interesting read, especially the part about the limo occupants and the caos at parkland.

Robin - sorry to seem like a moron here - these are in order? Consecutively? You have access to much better frames than I do - seems clear that we are missing frames. - lee Hi Lee. The first three frames should be consecutive, they are DVD grabs from JFK the movie. If there were any BLURRY FRAMES in the sequence, i do not grab those, as they are useless for posting to the forum. I usually try and grab only the sharpest frames.

________________________________ Robin Unger, would you happen to know? James Richards, " " " " " ? Anyone? ________________________________ Hi Thomas. Sorry, i don't know for sure what the spot was. ? Jack may be correct. !

Hi John. Could you post a photo, pointing out the woman you reffer to as Connie. Thanks. Robin.

That's not working for me Robin - is it for you? Where's Mom? - lee Update Lee. QUOTE: Ah, it just came to me. Sally Miller. Sally was the girl in the blue dress. Haven't seen her in a couple years, though she still lives in the area somewhere. Miller is her married name, though last I heard she and her husband had recently divorced. Gary Just for clarification Lee. I don't see the mother either, unless i am looking in the wrong place. ?