Mark Knight

I worked in a chemical plant with a man who often brought for lunch both bone-in chicken sandwiches and bone-in pork chop sandwiches. he would place his foil-wrapped sandwiches on or near the boiler in the maintenance shack about mid-morning, and then retrieve them at lunch and take them to the lunchroom...whereupon he would REMOVE THE MEAT FROM THE BONE and proceed to eat the NOW-BONELESS sandwiches. This occurred just outside of Louisville, KY, and I simply assumed it was either a southern or ethnic culture "thing." But NOBODY eats the meat between the bread STILL ON THE BONE. The meat is simply TRANSPORTED to the lunch site on the bone. It's really a simple concept.

You're going about this in the wrong way. Mr. Koch doesn't directly reply to simple questions. Getting a straight answer from him is like trying to nail Jell-o to the wall. He's not here to seriously discuss anything. He's simply here for his own amusement, more concerned with "owning" those who would engage him than actually dealing in facts. I decided weeks back to not attempt to engage him in a serious discussion, because that seems to be a fool's errand. Whether his failure to engage in a serious discussion is a result of unwillingness or inability on his part I won't attempt to decide. Perhaps it's a bit of both. Of course, I also have given up on having any serious discussions with Ben as well. When one criticizes Ben's sources or his inconsistent positions, suddenly Ben finds that line of discussion to be "less than collegial," and apt to scare off potential new members to the forum. While this tactic does tend to halt any discussion it its tracks, apparently the only way Ben will find any discussion as being "collegial" would be if everyone would simply abandon everything they have already learned and simply agree with Ben. Sorry, Ben. That's not collegiality, that's abdication. But I wish the best to those who continue to attempt to discuss these issues on this thread.

Willaims was part of the crew laying plywood on the flooring on the 6th floor. Leaving his lunch residue on the 6th meant that he expected to deal with it when he returned to work, it would seem to me. Could Dougherty have been a [the?] 6th floor shooter?

The Republicans have demagogued the subject of the national debt. I used to be a daily listener to Rush Limbaugh. Started in the Clinton presidency. When there was a Democrat in the White House, the national debt was not just BAD, but EVIL. But when George W. Bush was elected, suddenly the national debt wasn't such a big deal; Limbaugh simply said, "We'll pay it back with fiat money, letting inflation make the money we use to pay it back worth less than the debt when it was incurred. Then Obama was elected. And the national debt was suddenly EVIL again. That's about the time I stopped listening to Limbaugh. I realized he was less about conservative principles and all about Republican politics, despite his protestation to the contrary.

Ben: IMHO, Tulsi Gabbard is about as "representative" of the Democratic Party as AOC. Both are on opposite fringes. The loss of Gabbard to the Republicans is not unexpected. Her voting record, IMHO leans more toward Republican goals than Democrat goals. Her "defection" is more a case of going where she should have been in the beginning, if she was completely honest with her voters. I don't see that as a bad sign for either party. It's a realignment that everyone with more than 10 brain cells saw coming. Trump spent his entire presidency aligned with a "whatever Putin does is fine with me" position. I cannot recall ONE TIME that Trump objected to Putin's action during his time in office. If you think that a second term of a Trump presidency would have kept Putin out of Ukraine, I see that as willful blindness on your part. While Putin didn't invade Ukraine during the original Trump presidency, Trump's "whatever Putin wants is OK with me" position is inconsistent with the thought that Trump would have opposed Putin's invasion of Ukraine. And that's just how I see it. Not "Donks" and "Phants" policies weighing in, but I believe Putin miscalculated on what he saw as "weakness" of democracies, including those in Europe, no matter what parties are in charge.

MAGA = Making Attorneys Get Attorneys

Why is it the responsibility of the US to stop the war that Putin began? Shouldn't that be PUTIN'S responsibility? It's in NATO's interest that they not allow the war to spread to European NATO member nations. Since NATO members would be the next affected nations should Putin not be satisfied with conquest of Ukraine, why isn't stopping a war that's virtually on NATO's doorstep be the responsibility of European NATO members, rather than the responsibility of the US?

Rudy was supposed to deliver almost a quarter of a mil to the court today for his ex-wife, or face jail time. I haven't heard whether he paid up or not.

I have several guns of different calibers and gauges. I inherited a couple, I won one in a raffle, and I bought a couple for hunting purposes. All will serve as self-defense weapons, if the need arises.

Oh, and you're welcome, Ben.

Matt A., a couple of points: You're correct that antifa literally means "anti-fascist." In WWII, American troops were anti-fascists. I refuse to go there as far as personal attacks that refer to injuries a person may have sustained in the past. But because one is anti-fascist, that doesn't automatically mean that one is far left. Electric cars? Not practical where I live. In the rural areas, the range of an electric car makes them impractical. But Matt K. will still accuse people of being pro-electric cars because it fits his personal agenda to demonize anyone who believes differently than he. I grew up in the car culture. While my car has a 4-cylinder for gas mileage purposes, my pickup truck has a 5.6-liter V8 engine for the power I need to pull my utility trailer without wheezing for breath on the hills. And while not mountainous, the area where I live is quite hilly. But my catalytic converters are intact and functioning, and my Magnaflow cat-back exhaust system has a mellow rumble like a vintage Corvette. And I recycle most of the plastics that come into my house, because they're a product derived from oil. Before I retired, I moved from a suburban subdivision to my family's farm, 10 acres of joy. My sister and I purchased the farm from the remaining relatives [my sister and her hubby live in Colorado] to prevent it from becoming part of another subdivision, and a neighbor makes hay on about 8 acres, and I do my best to maintain the rest. I'm not some dope-smoking hippie tree hugger, but I do enjoy solitude that the farm offers.

The latest in my email from Jefferson [Jeff] Morley: https://jfkfacts.substack.com/p/greenwald-trump-and-the-jfk-files?r=elbl1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email Perhaps Trump think THAT is his "get-out-of-jail free" card Or perhaps not.

From AXIOS AM, a news aggregator to which I subscribe: " More than a century and a half after the actual Civil War, "civil war" references are becoming common on the right, The New York Times writes in a front-page story (subscription). Why it matters: Polling and social media "suggest that a growing number of Americans are anticipating, or even welcoming, the possibility of sustained political violence, researchers studying extremism say." 🧮 By the numbers: Posts on Twitter that mentioned "civil war" soared nearly 3,000% after the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago. The bottom line: "What was once the subject of serious discussion only on the political periphery," The Times writes, "has migrated closer to the mainstream." Of course, the NYT story is behind a paywall, so I haven't read it firsthand. But the implication is that it's the people "on the right" who are mentioning "civil war." Axios is reporting on the content of the NYT story, not issuing their own opinions here, Notice, Ben, that Axios did not agree or disagree with the NYT; they merely reported what was published.

Many speculated that Lee Oswald killed President Kennedy as a lone gunman. Many speculated that Lee Oswald killed President Kennedy as part of a conspiracy. Many speculated that Oswald was innocent of the murder of Kennedy. Many speculated that there were two Oswalds, Harvey and Lee. "Many speculated" is proof of absolutely nothing. It's right up there with Donald J. Trump's catchphrase, "People are saying..." A responsible journalist [they're few and far between these days] would have either identified in some way the "many], or would have omitted that line completely.

I used PayPal. Once I clicked on the PayPal option, I was taken to the PayPal website to complete their side of the transaction. Once that was completed, I was returned to the GoFundMe page. Easy, simple, and painless. There is an option on GoFundMe to donate anonymously, should you choose to do so.

Was O'Neal ever paid for the casket? I recall reading somewhere that he was not. Just can't remember where I read that. If he was paid, did the Kennedy family pay him, or did the US government?

You are succeeding at making people feel like you're trying to take over. [Methinks what you meant was the opposite, but that's not what you said.] But that's simply my personal perception.

Logical Fallacies: Appeal to Authority (thoughtco.com)

Because an economics professor is privy to [possibly nonexistent] secret CIA decisions.

Just repeating the link to Executive Order 12968, which spells out who shall have access to classified documents as a government employee, and the duration of that access. https://irp.fas.org/offdocs/eo12968.htm

They have it right. The court should be nonpartisan, and today it is not.

That should be understood but specifying it in the legislation would make it unquestionable. I'm still questioning why, after unanimously voting against appropriations for hurricane relief [with the exception of Senator Marco Rubio, who failed to attend the vote], Florida's congressional delegation is pressing for even more federal aid. Do they simply want to vote against federal funds again? I don't see their point. Apparently, they WANT the money from the federal government. But they want to be seen as voting against spending federal funds to do it. That's the only answer that I can see, and even that doesn't make sense.

Sandy, I believe another "tell" about this man is that his rebuttal posts bring up unrelated topics, as if to change the path of the discussion. Donald J. Trump's presence on or absence from Twitter is inconsequential, IMHO, because Trump still has avenues to make his views, however absurd, public. The M$M that Koch and Ben demonize still hang on Trump's every word. They sprint to be the first to publicize his every word posted to his Truth Social medium. And yet Mr. Koch still claims that Trump's bloviations have been "Cancelled" in the media. Such claims are a deviation from what is actually occurring. Where I was raised, an untruth is still an untruth.

Sandy. you have him dead to rights. His refusal to say that Donald J. Trump is no longer the President of the United States is quite telling. His inference that, since most of us object to Trump's continued possession of classified documents means that we are against declassification of SOME records is also a falsehood...or an "alternative fact," as Trump's press secretary Kelly Ann Conway referred to blatant untruths. His refusal to post links to written sources indicates that he either doesn't, or can't, read. His lack of reading comprehension indicated by his responses to my posts leads me toward the latter conclusion, but I can't rule out the former. Perhaps he also doesn't read the posts here, responding instead what he assumes your responses are. And not falling hook, line, and sinker for the pitches of a conman apparently is diagnosed as [name of conman] Derangement Syndrome. If that's truly the case, I apparently suffer from Bill Clinton Derangement Syndrome, Hillary Clinton Derangement Syndrome, Mike Lindell Derangement Syndrome, Sidney Powell Derangement Syndrome, Rudy Giuliani Derangement Syndrome, Joseph McCarthy Derangement Syndrome, Nancy Pelosi Derangement Syndrome, Chuck Schumer Derangement Syndrome, and who knows how many other similar maladies. [I'd really like to know what university granted his degree in psychology. I'd wager it only exists in his own mind.] Or it truly might be that, in his mind, Donald J. Trump is still president of the United States, has never told a lie, and is incapable of ever doing wrong. That would equate to the Trump Messiah Syndrome, or TMS, that I previously mentioned. I believe that is the most likely conclusion to draw from his posts.