Mark Knight

Bill, consider one other idea: Why would someone discard a perfectly good concealable revolver, rather than selling or pawning it? Sales between individuals weren't tracked in 1963. So this discarded revolver wasn't redeemed in some way for cash, and it begs the question: WHY NOT?

Ben, my point about your "research" is in reference to your WC-like tendency to ignore evidence that conflicts with your foregone conclusions. I think we BOTH agree that a "Deep State" exists. But I see no evidence that it is constrained by a particular political ideology; rather, it is, and always has been, part of a not-completely-monolithic oligarchy. The "golden rule," as in, "those who possess the gold make the rules." Trump was their "useful idiot" until his supporters, with his encouragement, attacked the US Capital building. From that point forward, Trump was no longer useful to them, and they would no longer provide cover for him and his minions. It's exactly what happened to Nixon when the oligarchy decided he was no longer useful to them. After Nixon was replaced by the malleable Gerald Ford, the oligarchy managed to use a couple of intentionally unsuccessful assassination attempts to make sure he got the message. But the message wasn't overtly political. It was to remind Ford to keep turning a blind eye to how the oligarchy was corrupting the system to their financial benefit. It's seldom about politics or ideology. It's ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS about the money.

Trump calls Democrats "Fascists" in January, 2020 And notice the military personnel in the background. Ben, you should be a better researcher than what I've seen on this thread.

Other Presidents have made speeches with American troops in the background. I saw a photo just today of former President George W. Bush speaking from an aircraft carrier [whether it was before or after the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner was unfurled was unclear. Please tell me that you don't recall former President Trump demonizing large portions of our citizens. I'll gladly post the video clips for you. But the only ones I hear threatening war in the streets are Trump supporters like Lindsey Graham, who said that would happen if Trump was to be arrested. I don't hear anyone on the other side threatening to take arms to the streets other than Trump supporters. But I'm living in America, so maybe I'm not close enough to where this is all happening. [That's sarcasm, in case you didn't understand.] On the other hand, if Trump supporters bring a physical battle to my home, I don't intend to put down my arms and surrender to them. If the need arises, I will stand up to vigilante injustice and defend my home. Since Trump is no longer President, he has no right to handle OR POSSESS ANY classified documents. He no longer holds the office that gives him clearance to see them. NO ex-President retains that right once they leave office. And if he [allegedly] declassified them, why are those documents not readily available to the press? It shouldn't take an FOIA lawsuit to obtain unclassified documents. Your excuses for Trump are wearing thin, Ben. Remember, once he was no longer the Chief Executive, executive privilege for him ceased to exist. The "Deep State" isn't "out to get" Trump. They never were. He's one of them, the oligarchy. If anything, the "Deep State" is simply tired of him, and no longer gives a rat's azz about him.

National security is at stake. Who has the documents that were originally in the files? Friends or foes? I think it's time the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg example was put into play...arrest and conviction, followed by swift punishment. WHY? Because as of noon on January 20, 2021, Donald J. Trump's term of office ended. That means from that point forward, he is no longer President, no longer has "executive privilege," and no longer has THE NECESSARY SECURITY CLEARANCE TO VIEW SUCH DOCUMENTS...MUCH LESS POSSESS THEM. Reality Winner got a 5-year sentence for possessing ONE such document. Trump had HOW MANY such documents? Ben, that's NOT "Deep State" stuff. That's ESPIONAGE ACT violation stuff.

in what bizarro world is this NOT witness tampering ? [Ben's world, maybe?]

I will once again say that this "Deep State" is the oligarchy. Their agenda isn't so much political as it is financial. Communism, as we've seen, isn't the answer; there is a "Deep State" fed by corruption in EVERY communist government. BUT it's apparent that UNRESTRICTED capitalism also feeds a "Deep State" here in the US, in which cash-heavy corporate interests BUY legislators and judges, who will ALWAYS legislate and rule in favor of the oligarchy. And Trump isn't FIGHTING the "Deep State;" he's a PART of it. When he rails against a "Deep State," he's actually railing against truth, justice, and accountability. 1984 IS HERE. When Trump says it's a lie, it's TRUE. When Trump says something is unfair, it's JUST. The man is, I'm convinced, incapable of telling the truth. The "Deep State" isn't against him; rather, holding him accountable is actually acting AGAINST the "Deep State." Trump is p*ssing on your leg and telling you it's raining. And Ben is opening his umbrella.

Ben, You just totally set me off. The VA? My son was a normal twentysomething when his Army Reserve unit was sent to Iraq. He came home from Iraq with a serious problem that he started self-medicating with alcohol. THANKS to the VA, he is now nearly a year SOBER. They facilitated his recovery status. The GI Bill education benefits has him current taking college classes, he has a job, he and his girlfriend have reconciled, and he's even a volunteer coach in an adult softball league. I will NOT agree with you that the VA is something that needs to be abolished. Our leaders send our young abroad to fight wars in the name of our nation. When they come home broken either in body or in mind, we have an OBLIGATION as a nation to do our best to make them whole once again. And the VA is our tool for doing this. That's not a Republican position. That's not a Democrat position. That's my position as an AMERICAN. Any thoughts you have to the contrary are invalid, in MY world.

UNLESS the curtain rods in Oswald's room were damaged...and he didn't want to be charged for a replacement by his landlady when he left. When I was renting back when i was married with two small kids, whenever I was preparing to move, I'd take the time and effort to repair or replace anything that might've come out of my damage deposit had I left it as it was. [Sometimes I replaced items that were damaged when I moved in, just to get that deposit back.]

My ex-wife's niece, a nurse, was a serial killer in Texas. Most of her murders initially went undetected. Angel of Death – Texas Monthly

Remember, those actuarial tables are AVERAGES. Some die sooner, some die later. My dad died from heart problems at age 61 in 1991. He was neither a smoker nor a drinker. So those actuarial charts don't predict; they simply average the numbers. At this point I'm nearly 7 years past my dad's terminal age. And I smoked until 1998, and I drink.

That's some very interesting information, Greg. Yes, it's hearsay, but it's still QUITE interesting. And to me, it's NOT shocking.

Not to mention that VP Mike Pence was suspicious enough of the SS to NOT get into a SS-driven vehicle to be driven away from the Capitol to a location that wasn't disclosed to him. And YES, I DO think that Pence had reason to not trust the SS, after it came out that on January 5, Senator Chuck Grassley stated that HE would be presiding over the certification of the Electoral Votes, since PENCE WOULDN'T BE PRESENT FOR THE PROCEDURE. Unless Grassley was in on the plot, how would he have known that there was a plan for Pence to be absent? It certainly wasn't PENCE'S plan to be absent. But apparently SOMEONE planned for Pence to not be there. THAT would circumvent the procedure outlined in the Constitution. And Grassley was AWARE of that. How many MORE were in on the plot? Pence was so certain that he'd be put on a plane and flown to a distant but undisclosed location that he REFUSED to get into the car with the SS agents. But Ben still thinks the SS, or at least rogue SS agents, weren't part of the coup attempt. Ben, BECAUSE of the JFK assassination and its aftermath, I have problems putting my full trust in the SS.

Chris Davidson hasn't responded as to whether he would accept the position. His name has been placed in nomination by several forum members. Sandy Larsen has indicated to the administrators that he would accept the position if offered. I'm fine with either one.

Ben's "Deep State" must be running Twitter, too.

So you think the "Deep State" is behind this article? Do you think this article is "propaganda"?

I'm not as familiar with Ty, but I would generally second Kirk's nomination of Chris Davidson or Sandy.

Since this thread is ostensibly about the Deep State...Just who IS the "Deep State"? In MY mind, the Deep State has to do with keeping power in the hands of the entrenched. Power = Money = Power. To me, then, and reference to the "Deep State" is a reference to the oligarchy, or near-oligarchy. Who, other than the rich, has the money to grease the wheels and pull the strings to make events happen? By that yardstick, Trump wasn't going to upset the Deep State; he was [and is] a big part of it. The Deep State took us to war in Vietnam, back when it was Viet Nam [two words]. They took us to war in Iraq and in Afghanistan as well. They jettisoned Richard Nixon when he became an albatross to them. I would argue that they were behind the assassination attempts on Gerald Ford; none of which were meant to be successful, but which were to simply remind him who was in charge. And I would argue that, despite all the Jody Foster claims, the Deep State had Reagan shot, just so he knew better than to cross them. And George Bush was ex-CIA [as if anyone who WAS CIA is ever "ex-CIA], so the Deep State directly took the wheel after Reagan. Bill Clinton? He grew up a poor kid but by the time he was Governor of Arkansas, he knew who to answer to in order to keep that Mena airport drug-smuggling op from getting busted. When Clinton won the Presidency, he had debts to the Deep State already. And I'd wager that Vince Foster was "offed" and the suspicion was pointed toward BOTH Clintons in order to keep Hillary in line as well as Bill. It all culminated in the 2016 election, which featured Deep State Clinton against Deep State Trump. The Deep State didn't care which one won. When Trump won, he decided to join in the grifting that the rest of the Deep State was doing. The difference for Trump was, he didn't give a damn about the mechanics of the government, he just wanted the money. The rest of the Deep State was after the money as well, but they also wanted to make sure the structure remained in place for them to actually RUN the government. Trump's proximity to Putin was a problem, though, for the oligarchs. Trump was not as deep a thinker as most of the Deep State, so Trump saw Putin as a source of more money; Putin saw Trump as a useful idiot who could do more to destroy the US from inside than a hundred nuclear weapons could. Trump's evolution toward emotional maturity ended when his dad sent him to military school at age 13. He's frozen in time there, unable to speak and act diplomatically because 13-year-olds don't do that. The Deep State didn't deep-six Trump primarily because they were too busy looting the government coffers themselves. And they haven't disavowed Trump because the division he sows has also become a profitable side business for the Deep State, providing cover for them in the headlines because the press repeats his every word...drawing attention from what is TRULY going on in the world. For the Deep State, Trump is the magician's assistant, drawing the audience's attention while the sleight-of-hand occurs. He's the orange clown who taunts us at the dunking booth, because that keeps our eyes off the pickpockets in the carnival midway. He's not the enemy of the Deep State; he's their sidekick.

Gary Mack was helpful to me in my meager research, but eventually I grew tired of being a "sock puppet" for him. Eventually I stopped reposting the information he was emailing me because I was tired of being used in that fashion. After that, I called him out on the "sock puppet" aspect. Quite often, in fact. My problem with being a conduit for Mack's information was that, if/when someone disagreed with Mack, they attacked ME because I was the one who had posted Mack's information. I realized I was giving Mack a free pass to spread the information he wanted to put out there without dealing with the consequences of facing the doubters himself. To this day, I consider that a chickensh*t position on Mack's part. I got tired of drawing the fire that should've been aimed at his position, not mine.

As one of the administrators, I will stress that we seek someone trustworthy, obviously. But we also need the person to be able to track the financial situation of The Education Forum. I think we could pin a post in which you could make a monthly report on income, expense, and balance on hand, to create a level of transparency for the members and guests who contribute to the Forum. Once the PayPal account is set up and the withdrawal arrangement with InVision is established, and once we post a pinned link to the new PayPal account, the rest should more or less work on "autopilot."

Trump says "stole," FBI says [implies] "confiscated to prevent international flight to avoid prosecution." Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to...

I agree with your take, Chris. I think Nixon was the primary beneficiary on the POLITICAL side, but he never got rich. When he'd served their purpose, he was discarded...like Rosselli, Giancana, Hoffa and others. But others were bankrolling Nixon. Hell, CREEP was so flush with cash that Watergate was done as a third-rate burglary. Had there been less money, I'd wager that the Watergate burglary idea would've been nixed. But the money was there, and it was going to be spent somewhere...so... When Nixon went to "inspect" Mar-a-Lago when it was about to become a government property, Bebe Rebozo went with him. I still don't think we know all about Rebozo that we should, but that's only ONE person...and there were many, many others. I think if we can do a timeline on Mar-a-Lago, we might accidentally learn more about the big players. But that's just opne segment of the past that's coming back around today.

Chris, Your point is quite valid. I was 9 years old when the JFK assassination occurred. My son is now 42, and a couple of years back he explained to me why the JFKA wasn't a big deal to him. "It's been almost 60 years, Dad. If you do figure out who did it, what then? There won't be anyone left to prosecute; they'll all be dead. So, other than simply knowing the truth, what is gained by knowing the truth? That your time wasn't wasted, maybe? My generation just doesn't care." And I realize he's right. I'm just here not to sell any particular theory, but to hopefully finally discover the truth. These days, that and a $10 bill will get you a mighty fine cup of coffee.

Ben, I'll see your bet on Donald Trump, and I'll raise you a pair of Rosenbergs [Julius and Ethel].

Tom, your most recent post has some of the same information that I got from the late Gerry Hemming. Hemming wasn't exactly known for telling the WHOLE story on ANYTHING, but he told me that the key to the Carcano rifle had NOTHING to do with Klein's Sporting Goods, but that it entered the US from Montreal. Hemming also hinted that there was a connection to OAS, the group that had tried to assassinate Charles DeGaulle earlier in the 1960s: "To cut this short, I will simply state that: (1) The F.B.I. had a couple of "Legat" U.S. Embassy (Ottawa) Special Agents working with the "Mounties" et al. -- but the U.S. participation grew quickly once the "usual suspects" starting moving into New York City and its environs; (2) "Empire" and other weapons importers were originally set up by the Brits, and this: because the law in Canada permitted the importation of weapons without serial numbers stamped on the frame of the firearms. The U.S. State Department's "Office of Munitions Control" prohibited any importing of guns with numbers not on the frame, i.e., the barrel or stock. [See the then extant regulations published in the C.F.R. -- "Code of Federal Regulations"); (3) The alleged "LHO" Mannlicher-Carcano (and many others) came directly from Montreal, as did the "snub-nose" .38 cal. revolver; (4) A large batch of Mannlicher-Carcanos were scheduled for use in the coup d'etat planned against Sukarno's Indonesia regime during 1958, an operation that LHO, Roscoe White, et al. participated in; (5) About 200 Mannlicher-Carcanos found their way into the hands of then President of Costa Rica Jose "Pepe" Figueres, and were later flown to Fidel's rebels in Cuba during 1958. The Curtis C-46 "Commando" transport aircraft was flown into the Sierra Maestra area by pilots Guillermo & Roberto Verdaguer, but the plane had to do a "wheels-up" landing, was damaged -- and had to be destroyed. Fidel was highly pissed that there was little ammunition for the Italian rifles and the Mexican "Mendoza" machine-guns; (6) During 1960, the Miami anti-Castro leader Rolando Masferrer inherited some 100+ Mannlicher-Carcanos, which were useless to him because of the "No Ammo" situation, and; (7) During the "time-window" that LHO was allegedly in Mexico City, he was actually in Montreal, attempting to penetrate the "hostiles" forming up for travel down south. --------------------------------------------------------- Some more clues: LHO never possessed that revolver, and it was to be used as a "throw-down" gun as he was shot to death inside the theater (or elsewhere). LHO saved his life by grabbing the gun away from the cop, which forced the scuffle instead of a shooting. Chairs, Gerry" Regarding "the "hostiles" forming up for travel down south," Hemming said: "Just after the "Cuban Missile Crisis", Robert Emmett Johnson was sent to Montreal by his bossman at I.S.I. ("International Services of Information") former O.S.S. Colonel Ulius Amoss. I.S.I. was based in Baltimore, and published a right-wing intelligence bulletin styled as "Inform". Shortly after his arrival, he joined with the R.C.M.P. OC/Task Force. By then the "Mounties" et al. were surveiling and penetrating a cluster of devious groups which included Castro-Cubans, Nicaraguans, etc.; and who were being directed by K.G.B., G.R.U., StD (Czech), Stasi (GDR) case officers. Amongst said groups were people being recruited purportedly for sugar cane cutting ("Volunteers") and a caravan march from Montreal through the U.S. to Key West, on to Havana, and with a final destination being the U.S. Naval Base at Caimanera, Oriente Province, Cuba. (N.B. & N.A.S. Guantanamo Bay - GITMO)" Since this IS Gerry Hemming's information, take it for what you will.