Robert Howard

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Question for Jack White I am sure Jack White remembers the Red Lobster and Jack Zangetty, Zangretti...At one time I was real interested in the whole story because I have such admiration for Penn Jones, but once I discovered, with the help of a genealogist, that there were no Zangetti's to speak of, clarify it is a very unusual name, and there were no related newspaper articles on "Jack's death at, or near Lake Altus, Oklahoma," and the genealogist told me there were like, two Zangetti's in the whole U.S., or words to that effect. https://www.familysearch.org/s/search/index/record-search-advanced#searchType=records&filtered=false&fed=true&collectionId=&advanced=true&givenName=&surname=Zangetti&eventLocation=&eventYearFrom=&eventYearTo= [preface above URL with http:www.familysearch.org; or it would be easier to just enter the actual website and enter Zangetti] I came to the conclusion there was a real dead end, and I left it at that.... But, in retrospect, I have wondered about Charles Spears, he wrote a lot of material in The Continuing Inquiry, and have wondered if he was bona fide, Jack do you have an opinion, or anything speculation about such issues? I still believe TCI is very helpful, even if not everything always checks out. For instance, there are some bio's in TCI that are not in maryferrell's DB..... I also share Charles Drago's issues with MFF, the whole connection to Eugene Locke, people like Hemming coming to "visit" her in the old days and the fact that she apparently wasn't what you would call a real JFK fan, does add an element of WTH, I have long been aware of that, but I believe a greater danger, would be influencing researchers to think her website and work was some sort of disinfo warehouse, if you go to that extreme, I think you are shooting yourself in the face to swat a fly....

The Day Kennedy Was Shot Jack Jove cited pages 121-123, 318; by Bishop, Jim (1968) Jack Jove stood in the glass octagonal tower and watched the Clipper coming, head on, with about 20-degree flaps, like a dragonfly trailing a dirty veil. It was over the skyscrapers of downtown Dallas, dropping steadily. The overhead speaker crackled and the first officer gave his call letters and said, " . . . . on final 31 right." Jove, chief of FAA at Love Field, watched five of his men work the consoles. A radar man below had the plane on scope and said: "Okay, Pan American Clipper 729." It was obvious to Jove that, in flight, the three presidential planes had spread further apart. They had taken off from Carswell at two-minute intervals but radar showed that the Clipper had come in a little faster; the Vice-President's AF-2 had swung wide to the right, which gave it additional space; and Colonel Swindall had climbed to 7,000 feet to ease the moderate turbulence and held the speed down to a minimum. Mr Jove liked that. A little spacing never hurt any aircraft. He was a dark wavy-haired man with an office below the tower, but he wanted to be in the tower this time. Two weeks ago, the Air Force had sent Major Charles Nedbal to Jove to work out the entire procedure. It was a nothing flight, from nowhere to nowhere in no time, but Nedbal wanted to know where the fire trucks and ambulance would be stationed, whether they could follow the plane on an apron runway without being hit by jet blast, who would man the "Follow Me" jeep, what turns would be made, and where each of the three planes would come to rest. He also had to know and report on departure procedures when the President had finished his Trade Mart speech; what gate; what minute of what hour; what commercial jets might be taking off or landing at Love Field at 2:45 P.M.; when he could have a weather projection for Nov. 22, 1963, and what would be the three favored flight plans direct to Bergstrom Air Force Base at Austin, Texas ..........There was a parking area for 1,666 automobiles, but it was not enough and there was contention between the police and the residents. Love was used by several airlines the main ones were American, Braniff, Delta, and Eastern. Mr Jove used his binoculars and could see mechanics on the opposite side of the field dropping work to come out on the apron. Has anyone ever heard of this guy, Jack Jove? Guess Not....... A Followup......... Whitmeyer, Frances Raby was born February 21, 1922 and passed away April 4, 2009. Frances was born in Athens, Alabama to S.W. and Donna Raby. She graduated from Alabama Women's College in Athens. She moved to New Orleans and worked for the Lykes Steamship Co. and also for the City of New Orleans helping to translate French law into English. She later married George Whitmeyer and they moved to Germany where he was stationed after the war. They moved to Fort Worth in 1961 and then to Dallas in 1963. She pursued her love of antiques by first working for a silver dealer and eventually opening her own business in the 1960's on Sale St. and Dickason. She later moved her shop to Milam and N. Henderson. She loved the antique business and made so many friends during those years. She also was an estate appraiser. Her husband George, Sr. and her youngest son, Glenn, preceded her in death. She is survived by her son George, Jr., daughter-in-law Cindy and granddaughters Lindsey and Allison. A graveside service will be held Tuesday, April 7, 2009 at 1:00 p.m. at Restland Memorial Park. END DMN April 19, 1978 Whitmeyer, George L., Sr., 5301 Mockingbird Lane, Survived by wife, Frances Whitmeyer; Son, George Whitmeyer, Jr., Glenn Whitmeyer, Dallas; brothers John Whitmeyer, Roselle Park, N.J., Victor Whitmeyer, Cranford N.J., sisters, Helen Arthur Kenilworth, N.J., Louise William, Philadelphia, Pa., Services 2:00 pm Thursday RESTLAND WILDWOOD CHAPEL, Greenville Ave. at Restland Rd., Internment Restland Memorial Park Full military graveside service Restland Laureland Greenville Ave. at Restland Rd 238-7111 END mary ferrell's website bio of Whitmeyer, is reposted here, "WC Vol 21, p. 578; WC Vol 24, pp. 295, 323; CIA 1642-1092 re "military assistant" to J. Walton Moore of CIA; Dallas Morning News, Wednesday, April 19, 1978, p. 5-D. Mary's Comments: He rode in Pilot Car in 11/22/63 motorcade. Was he the "military assistant" assigned to assist J. Walton Moore in running the Dallas CIA office? 1963-1964 City Directories list him as Area Commander USA Reserve Training Center. In 1963, his wife Frances Raby Whitmeyer had a gift shop in [the Dallas] Trade Mart. There was a rumor that FBI set up command post in her shop on 11/22/63. [Robert: i could really go places on this rumor business, if anyone really knows the name of the shop.] FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Section 8 pg 28 Found in: FBI JFK Assassination File (62-109060) At 3:25 pm November 24, 1963 Supervisor J.W. Burns telephonically contacted SAC Harry Maynor of the New Orleans office with reference to the allegation of Airman Second Class Palmer McBride who had worked with Oswald as delivery boy for Pfisterer Dental Laboratory, New Orleans, Louisiana, from 1957 to 1958 at which time according to McBride Oswald was preaching the communist doctrine and stated he would like to kill President Eisenhower in view of "Eisenhower's exploitation of working people." http://www.maryferre...58&relPageId=28 Defector [pfc.] Bruce F. Davis from 18 August 1960 to 19 July 1963 after leaving the Soviet Union he was given a lie-detector test on August 9, 1963 while at the Frankfort Post Stockade, the INTC groups are clearly shown in the document referenced when Oswald was in the Soviet Union, he had been primarily at Minsk, whereas Davis was at the Kiev Institute of Technology for some 34 months. below..... Frankfurt Joint Interrogation Center (JIC) and the 513th INTC Group APO (757) U S Forces. this document was prepared by Clay R Sturn 66th INTC Group http://www.maryferre...16&relPageId=86 Robert: Palmer McBride had met a "Lee Oswald" in 1956; (references Warren Report, 360; CE 1386; CD 75, pp. 16, 251-254, 325, 495-498; Lee, Robert Oswald, 76) At the time of the assassination he was "an Airman Second Class in the United States Air Force at Patrick Air Force Base in Florida." Without expounding on the possibility of whether McBride knew "the" Lee Oswald, or an Oswald double, what I believe can be proven to a degree, is that the document in which McBride is referenced as saying Oswald wanted to kill Eisenhower was forwarded by the San Antonio office of the 112th MI Group, to Dallas within a very short time after Oswald was in the custody of the Dallas Police Department. DMN 11-16-1965 10 Dallas reserve Units Included In Inactivation By Gene Ormsby Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including 10 in the 90th Infantry Division, are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, Major Gen. William R. Calhoun commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps said Monday in Austin. Some 1,000 reservists are attached to these units, but one local military source said other units may be moved in from other areas to help absorb the personnel. Dallas bases with the 90th Infantry Division which would be inactivated by the Pentagon order include: HEADQUARTERS DIVISION ARTILLERY; Headquarters and Headquarters Co., 3rd Infantry Brigade; 90th Division Band; Military Police Co.; Headquarters and Service Battery, Battery A and B of the 3rd Howitzer Battalion, 12th Artillery; Co. D of the 790th Maintenance Battalion; Headquarters and Headquarters Co. and Co. A of the 1st Battalion, 359th Infantry; Co. A of the 2nd Battalion 359th Infantry; All of these units are based at the Muchert Reserve Center 10031 E. Northwest Highway, and include about 800 reservists. Other units expected to get the ax include the 363rd Engineering Group's Headquarters and Headquarters Detachment; the 327th Military Intelligence Detachment (Armed Forces Censorship) the 406th Military Intelligence Detachment (Armed Forces Censorship) and Co. B of the 719th Transportation Battalion, all based at the Herzog Reserve Center at 4900 S. Lancaster. Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander said the same units were listed more than a month ago by Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara as the ones to be disbanded. McNamara announced at that time that the 90th Infantry Division would be disbanded Whitmeyer said he had not received confirmation of the orders from Gen. Calhoun, but said they could take place in the next two to three months. The Colonel speculated that in another location where the unit is sharing facilities with a 90th Division unit which is being disbanded the remaining outfit might be moved to another location, hopefully Dallas. "I hope they have something in mind to offset the loss," Whitmeyer said. Dallas personnel in the abolished units may be able to transfer to remaining reserve units to complete their military obligation, Calhoun said. Other alternatives include enrollment in an Army Reserve school or transfer to National Guard units or to a ready reserve reinforcement pool. Calhoun said the ready reserves or "select force" will qualify members for a 50 per cent increase in drill pay as announced by the Pentagon. 150,000 reservists and Guardsmen will compose the full strength force. "I do not anticipate that all Dallas personnel will find a vacancy in other reserves of the Guard." Calhoun added. "If they cannot, school courses leading to retirement will be made available." Col. George Lumpkin, a member of the Dallas police force is head of the Dallas Reserve School. google books The Eccentric Genius, Trammell Crow and How He's Changed the Face of America. by Joseph Nocera Texas Monthly Aug 1984 page 202, By the mid-fifties Crow was the biggest warehouse builder in Dallas and on his way to becoming the biggest in the country. But a little of the thrill was gone; so he turned to other pursuits: he made an ill fated attempt to build a bus line; he began building parking garages with Eugene Locke, the well-known attorney who would later become US Ambassador to Pakistan; he constructed a small decorative center in the Trinity Industrial District to house a number of rug manufacturers. And in 1956 he got involved in the project that would mark the next big turning point in his career. He decided to build the Homefurnishings Mart. Robert: Comment; The Homefurnishings Mart was a unique concept for the time, the article mentions his travels to Chicago and North Carolina; the idea which translated to a cost of 5.6. million dollars, was so successful that by 1958, he had to build the Dallas Trade Mart. And on and on and on........ see google books mojo on the edge Mother Jones Magazine May/June 1995 Help Wanted Spying on Allies "The CIA's economic spies are currently active in Japan, Western Europe and key developing countries like Mexico, Brazil India and the countries in the Middle East. The recent spy scandal in France exposed four U.S. diplomats and a NOC*— an American woman working as a public relations executive for the Dallas Market Center owned by international real estate mogul Trammell Crow. She was accused of trying to recruit and bribe French corporate and government officials to pass technology secrets to the CIA." * Non-official cover Also See The CIA Crosses Over http://motherjones.c...ia-crosses-over Pondering the future, while wondering what became of George Orwell or Does anyone remember that the "1984" Republican Convention was held in Dallas. As a final point to consider, insofar as just how well the circles of who knew who back in those days specifically pre-1963 Dallas, consider Jack Ruby and the whole Atomic Energy issue, the following excerpt reveals just how essential at least a rudimentary knowledge of Warren Commission documents are. What can be gleaned is that the complexity of understanding Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby is made more confusing by the lack of objective accounts of what their motivations were, according to their own words. For Instance, There are multiple assertions that "Oswald said, he wanted John Abt to represent him," but if you pay attention to detail you will discover, the only assurance we have of this is "what other people said Oswald said;" I believe it is far from certain that Oswald even said that, nevertheless the same point should be kept in mind when reading the following excerpts from CD 732: Jack Ruby is simply a contact point for these persons, what I believe is really interesting is the fact that Chance-Vought is not exactly unheard of in JFK lore CD 732 - FBI Letter from Director of 07 Apr 1964 with Attachments; 24 pages Letter to Lee Rankin from J Edgar Hoover In response to your letter of March 3, 1964, a thorough search was made of all FBI records. Copies of all the records located wherein mention is made of Ruby prior to Nov. 23, 1963 have been prepared and are being forwarded to you. Item 1 Information indicating that in March 1962 Ruby was the owner of the Carousel Club. This information was developed in connection with a survey of crime conditions in the Dallas Division. Item 2 Information obtained from a confidential source during the course of an investigation concerning Ralph Eugene Young [3110 North Clybourn, Chicago, Ill.] which related to a possible violation of the Atomic Energy Act. The investigation was conducted in 1950. Item 3 Information furnished by Bunny Breen..... Item 4 Information obtained from Lt Jack Revill on July 9, 1959...... Item 5 Information obtained from...... Item 6 An interview with Jean Bostick on September 25, 1961. Item 7 An interview with Mrs. Sue Brown on November 13, 1962 Item 8 Information submitted by Special Agent Ralph J Miles ....... Item 9 Information obtained from a confidential source..... Item 10 The description of Jack Ruby....... He did not furnish any information and further contacts with him were discontinued A confidential source exhibited the records of the Ambassador Hotel which reflected that Ralph Young 3110 North Clybourn, Chicago, Ill., was registered in apartment 321, John E Wahl Engineering Co., and Russ Products Co., The source stated that had been brought to Dallas along with R. M. Piper, Fred N. Ruic, Charles Campbell, Donald Henry Mars, Leo Stukas, and Pat Henry Roethe by L. A. Robinson. It was the source's understanding that these individuals had been brought to Dallas by Robinson for employment with the Chance Vought Company. Joyce Skillman R. H. Hopkins LO-2841 Barba Carden, 4113 Hyer, Apartment 26 (It is to be noted that this call was to the original informant in instant matter and was dated Oct. 3, 1950 which substantiates the allegation of informant that she was called by Ralph E. Young on the morning of Oct. 3, 1950, from the Ambassador Hotel, Room 321. also see DMN 12/16/1951 Engineering Company Leases Industrial District Building; also see CD 1100 where it states: 1950 relative to Ralph Eugene Young who was suspected of violating the Atomic Energy Act. In October and November 1950 investigation was conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation concerning a possible violation of the Atomic Energy Act by Ralph Eugene Young and Joyce Skillman, both then residing at the Ambassador Hotel in Dallas, Texas. This investigation was instituted when one Barba Carden, 4113 Hyer Street advised Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that she and Skillman had been hired as stenographers by a private contractor at Los Alamos, New Mexico and were leaving Dallas soon thereafter to take up this employment. Miss Carden advised she had learned through Skillman and Young that the latter was endeavoring to ascertain information concerning various activities at Los Alamos, New Mexico. On October 6, 1950, Lillian Louise Kness, room clerk at Ambassador Hotel in Dallas, advised agents she suspected Joyce Skillman and Ralph Eugene Young of engaging in the obtaining of secret government information, based on Skillman's unusual interest in servicemen and engineers staying at the hotel and Skillman's friendliness with Young. Max Moore, Plant Protection Division, Chance-Vought Aircraft Company, Grand Prairie, Texas, advised during the course of the investigation that Young was one of several employees hired through the John E Wahl Company of Chicago, an employing agency for engineers hired by Chance-Vought. Young was hired as a draftsmen. Ralph Eugene Young was interviewed by a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on October 27, 1950. He said his interest in Los Alamos was prompted by a desire to promote the formation of a new company at Los Alamos, similar to the John E. Wahl Company of Chicago. The purpose of such a company would be to furnish engineers to various companies at Los Alomos, and, in order to promote the formation of such a business, he had attempted to secure the identities of the companies at Los Alamos which were doing work which required the service of engineers. He said he had asked Joyce Skillman to obtain this information for him, as she was to be employed at Los Alamos. Young stated he had no desire to violate any of the laws of the United States and had no interest in Los Alamos other than as stated. During the course of the above investigation it was learned that among telephone calls made by Ralph Young was one made to HA-3654.* It was further determined that this number was to the Silver Spur Club * For a long time I thought that there was a missing digit regarding this phone number, but what I believe is the case, is that in this time frame [1950], phone numbers in the Dallas area, were actually only six digits. I am still not 100% about that, but I believe that is the case........ It also is good to remember "Oswald's alleged signature on a register at the Atomic Energy Museum, wonder where the inspiration for that came from....I believe it had something to do with the above lol I have several irons in the fire, but the Tippit thread and others will be updated......

This thread still has some miles left on it......... DMN 11-16-1965 10 Dallas reserve Units Included In Inactivation By Gene Ormsby Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including 10 in the 90th Infantry Division, are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, Major Gen. William R. Calhoun commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps said Monday in Austin. Some 1,000 reservists are attached to these units, but one local military source said other units may be moved in from other areas to help absorb the personnel. Dallas bases with the 90th Infantry Division which would be inactivated by the Pentagon order include: HEADQUARTERS DIVISION ARTILLERY; Headquarters and Headquarters Co., 3rd Infantry Brigade; 90th Division Band; Military Police Co.; Headquarters and Service Battery, Battery A and B of the 3rd Howitzer Battalion, 12th Artillery; Co. D of the 790th Maintenance Battalion; Headquarters and Headquarters Co. and Co. A of the 1st Battalion, 359th Infantry; Co. A of the 2nd Battalion 359th Infantry; All of these units are based at the Muchert Reserve Center 10031 E. Northwest Highway, and include about 800 reservists. Other units expected to get the ax include the 363rd Engineering Group’s Headquarters and Headquarters Detachment; the 327th Military Intelligence Detachment (Armed Forces Censorship) the 406th Military Intelligence Detachment (Armed Forces Censorship) and Co. B of the 719th Transportation Battalion, all based at the Herzog Reserve Center at 4900 S. Lancaster. Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander said the same units were listed more than a month ago by Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara as the ones to be disbanded. McNamara announced at that time that the 90th Infantry Division would be disbanded Whitmeyer said he had not received confirmation of the orders from Gen. Calhoun, but said they could take place in the next two to three months. The Colonel speculated that in another location where the unit is sharing facilities with a 90th Division unit which is being disbanded the remaining outfit might be moved to another location, hopefully Dallas. “I hope they have something in mind to offset the loss,” Whitmeyer said. Dallas personnel in the abolished units may be able to transfer to remaining reserve units to complete their military obligation, Calhoun said. Other alternatives include enrollment in an Army Reserve school or transfer to National Guard units or to a ready reserve reinforcement pool. Calhoun said the ready reserves or “select force” will qualify members for a 50 per cent increase in drill pay as announced by the Pentagon. 150,000 reservists and Guardsmen will compose the full strength force. “I do not anticipate that all Dallas personnel will find a vacancy in other reserves of the Guard.” Calhoun added. “If they cannot, school courses leading to retirement will be made available.” Col. George Lumpkin, a member of the Dallas police force is head of the Dallas Reserve School. OBITUARY Whitmeyer, Frances Raby was born February 21, 1922 and passed away April 4, 2009. Frances was born in Athens, Alabama to S.W. and Donna Raby. She graduated from Alabama Women's College in Athens. She moved to New Orleans and worked for the Lykes Steamship Co. and also for the City of New Orleans helping to translate French law into English. She later married George Whitmeyer and they moved to Germany where he was stationed after the war. They moved to Fort Worth in 1961 and then to Dallas in 1963. She pursued her love of antiques by first working for a silver dealer and eventually opening her own business in the 1960's on Sale St. and Dickason. She later moved her shop to Milam and N. Henderson. She loved the antique business and made so many friends during those years. She also was an estate appraiser. Her husband George, Sr. and her youngest son, Glenn, preceded her in death. She is survived by her son George, Jr., daughter-in-law Cindy and granddaughters Lindsey and Allison. A graveside service will be held Tuesday, April 7, 2009 at 1:00 p.m. at Restland Memorial Park. Lykes Steamship Co.,.......definitely sounds familiar..... Remember the address 3501 Mockingbird; George, Frances and George Jr's address in Dallas before the death of George Whitmeyer Senior....... also circa 1963 Whitmeyer was a sub-sector comander the above article refers to him as a sector commander.

Thanks Bill, for those links. Although namebase.org isn't updated as much as would be desired, the site has these listings for Col. Robert Jones JONES ROBERT E (COL) Vietnam 1968 * Valentine,D. The Phoenix Program. 1990 (252, 261) JONES ROBERT E (LT COL) * Duffy,J. Ricci,V. The Assassination of John F. Kennedy. 1992 (256) * LaFontaine,R.& M. Oswald Talked. 1996 (179-80, 282) * Marrs,J. Crossfire. 1990 (310-1) * Russell,D. The Man Who Knew Too Much. 1992 (173-4) * San Antonio Express-News 1993-11-21 (14A) * Scott,P.D. Deep Politics. 1993 (258) * Summers,A. Conspiracy. 1981 (91-3) Since I don't have Douglas Valentine's book on the Phoenix Program, I can't say for sure, but I would think it is the same person, with a promotion. I haven't been able to get to the other books. The San Antonio Express-News article probably would provide some new information. I have the Ricci/Duffy book, it contains the HSCA analysis of Col Robert Jones the same document can be found at http://www.jfklancer.com/RobertJones.html

Hard to believe this person was circa 1949, the wartime liason chief between the Pentagon and the Post office. Jackson, Col Burris C. 40352978 b. Jan. 27, 1906 d. Dec. 25, 1967 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Jackson&GSiman=1&GScid=340047&GRid=40352978& The Victoria Advocate - Oct 19, 1959 and Colonel Burris C Jackson of Hillsboro, Texas wartime liason chief between the Pentagon and Post Office Department DMN December 26, 1967 Cotton Expert Burris Dies Burris C. Jackson, 62, one of the most widely known figures in the world cotton industry, died here Monday. Jackson, a Hill County ginner, merchant and farmer was president of the National Cotton Council of America and the only council president to be director more than 20 years. He also served as perennial chairman of the American Cotton Congress. Jackson, a native of Hillsboro, was chosen world cotton’s Man of the Year in 1960 by the “Cotton Digest.” His activities in more than 40 years included organizing the statewide cotton committee of Texas in 1936. The committee, which included all elements of the industry, served as a model for the national council which was organized in Dallas in 1938. Jackson was chairman of the Texas Cotton Research Advisory Committee, the National Affairs Committee of the American Cotton Shippers Association and the legislation and public relations committee’s of the Texas Cotton Ginners Association. He was a former president of the Texas Cotton Association. Jackson joined his father’s cotton ginning and land firm, Jackson & Co., in 1926. He became managing partner in 1930 and assumed ownership in 1940. Long a supporter of the Democratic party, he served as postmaster of Hillsboro nearly 20 years. He also served as chairman of the Democratic Party in Hill County. He was particularly well known for hosting large gatherings at annual barbeques in Hillsboro. After attending Hillsboro College and Texas A&M, he served in the Army during World War II. He was a member of Hillsboro’s First Methodist Church which he had served as a board member more than 30 years. Among his civic and community activities were serving as district commander of Lions International, commander of an American Legion Post, president of the National Association of Postmasters and the International DeMolay Alumni and the State Fair Board, president of Hillsboro Lions Club and a member of Texas Civil War Centennial Commission Survivors: Wife, two brothers, Randolph M. Jackson and Kirby H. Jackson of Dallas, and a sister, Mrs. Nancy Barker of Wichita Falls. Funeral Services will be at 2:00 pm Wednesday in the First Baptist Church of Hillsboro. Burial will be in Ridge Park Cemetery here. But then again, in an odd way it makes perfect sense. I've read enough obits of intel related persons to realize they don't exactly shout those types of things from the rooftops. Obviously, Burris Jackson is just one of many persons you cited in the thread; but I thought we might all get a little more aware of just how complicated a simple subject like a Postal Inspector in a particular city can be....... Maybe the Yankee and Cowboy War isn't the ideal phrase to sum up the dynamic of having a liberal Democrat President coming to, arguably a city which had and has a tremendous amount of political power, during what one writer called the Second Civil War, but it does emphasize a point, that is worth being made. The dynamics of these postal official inter-relationships through generations reminds me of that theme song from the old sitcom Cheers, "Where Everybody Knows Your Name" Ironically, somewhere in all the declassified files is some sort of reference to Lee Oswald applying for a job as a "cotton picker," I promise I am not making that up........ Indulge me for one last item, the massive amount of persons, places, various levels of government, military, intelligence and soforth can become a little maddening, but ultimately everything does fit. Take Connie Trammell and Jack Ruby and his taking her to her appointment before the assassination.......... A Little background What about the fact that on the day before the assassination Brading told a Dallas parole officer he planned on visiting Lamar Hunt, who was a right-wing extremist and an avowed Kennedy hater, and that on that same day Jack Ruby was admittedly in Hunt's office building? Says Reitzes, Though Peter Noyes unaccountably misses the "Cabana connection" between Ruby and Braden, Noyes does note that Braden is alleged to have paid a visit to the offices of the Hunt Oil Company the day before the assassination -- the same day Jack Ruby drove a young woman named Connie Trammell to those same offices for a job interview with Lamar Hunt. Hunt security chief Paul Rothermel would later state that Ruby himself did not enter Hunt's office that day, but Rothermel was certain that at some point, Braden did. Braden, however, has always maintained that only his associates visited with the Hunts. Reitzes should know better. He cites books that paint a much more accurate picture than the selective portrait he provides here. In his effort to leave some room for doubt that Brading visited with Lamar Hunt that day, Reitzes never mentions that Brading told a parole officer he planned on visiting Hunt and that Brading's meeting with the parole officer is documented in federal parole records, yet this is pointed out in David Scheim's book The Mafia Killed President Kennedy, which Reitzes cites. Similarly, in arguing that Ruby didn't meet with Hunt, Reitzes omits the fact that Warren Commission staffers Leon Hubert and Burt Griffin determined that Ruby did meet with Hunt and that Ruby gave an "innocent explanation" for the meeting, yet this information is also discussed in Scheim's book. Nor does Reitzes bother to tell the reader that the name "Lamar Hunt" was found in one of Ruby's notebooks. If Reitzes had dealt with all the available facts on the matter, he would have had to concede there is evidence that both Brading and Ruby met with Lamar Hunt. See http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/vsmcadams.htm Someone, somewhere has at least once asked themselves, but what was going on; Yes it gets a little weird, sifting through the whole miasma, until you realize that Trammell Crow and the Dallas Trade Mart to some degree were practically synonymous in terms of developer and development. See http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/01/services_for_trammell_crow_set.php Where was JFK going when he was assassinated? I'm not pretending that I know all the answers, but it does give one pause to contemplate.

Thanks Robert, and Dave, yes Jones' territory covered six states including Louisiana and the 112th had a Regional Office in New Orleans that had sources within the New Orleans PD, just as the Dallas office had contacts in the DPD. Jones says in his testimony that he learned of Oswald's use of the Hidell alias from the reports of the New Orleans office. And that news report from Corpus Christi, Texas that Robert cites is interesting. How did the reporter know that Oswald threw his passport down on Snyder's desk, unless they were in the room or talked directly with someone who was in the room? BK For those who are interested, Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics & The Death of JFK has a very pertinent section on the Army Intelligence aspect of the assassination, on pages 257-262; I would suggest starting on page 256 myself...... It's hard when you have a large book collection, to have more than one edition of a certain book, I say that because an earlier edition of Larry Hancock's Someone Would Have Talked, has, if I remember correctly, a very good section re Army Intelligence, although I am not sure about that. If I am correct it is not in the latest edition, which is the only one I have. You would be surprised how sometimes, through the use of the more reliable authors additional context and information can be gleaned. On a final couple of notes, I would like to know if anyone knows whether Colonel Robert E Jones is still alive, or deceased. I may be able to provide more clarification regarding his career, if there is an obituary available. The final aspect of all of this is kind of a shot in the dark, but, I realize some persons may get nauseous hearing me go on about genealogy and the JFK assassination's cast of characters, but the law of averages is on my side that sooner or later, there is going to surface an example of this particular issue is going to materialize, and I will be vindicated, there are just too many examples of possibilities for there to be nothing. On that note, I am placing this here, I hope someone realizes there is significance in this aspect of the "who" in the context of what I am speaking of. GENERAL DAVID C. JONES Retired July 1, 1982. General David C. Jones is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Department of Defense, Washington, D.C. In this capacity, he serves as the senior military adviser to the president, the National Security Council and the secretary of defense. Through the commanders of the unified and specified commands, he is also responsible for executing the decisions of the National Command Authorities regarding worldwide readiness and employment of combat forces of the United States Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps. Drawing from a widely varied career, General Jones brings to his position a wealth of experience and knowledge of national security affairs, the diverse U.S. Defense Establishment, and our defensive alliances with other nations. His assignments have included operational and command positions in strategic, tactical, and training units, as well as service in staff positions with major headquarters in the United States and overseas. Prior to his current appointment, General Jones served four years as chief of staff of the U. S. Air Force, responsible for administering, training and equipping a worldwide organization of men and women employing the world's most advanced defense systems. Concurrently, he was a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In combat, the general was assigned to a bombardment squadron during the Korean War and accumulated more than 300 hours on missions over North Korea. In 1969, he served in the Republic of Vietnam as deputy commander for operations and then as vice commander of the Seventh Air Force. His intimacy with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization alliance and its complex multinational defense structure is based on a range of assignments that cover the spectrum of planning and operational responsibilities. Having served as inspector, operator, planner and commander in chief of United States Air Forces in Europe, he has dealt with every facet of the diversified missions of military forces committed to the defense of Europe. Concurrent with duty as commander in chief, USAFE, he was commander of the Fourth Allied Tactical Air Force and led the way toward establishing the integrated air headquarters in NATO's Central Region, Allied Air Forces, Central Europe. The general was born in Aberdeen, S.D. He graduated from high school in Minot, N.D., in 1939 and attended the University of North Dakota and Minot State College until the outbreak of World War II. He entered the Army Air Corps, beginning aviation cadet training in April 1942, and received his commission and pilot wings in February 1943. A graduate of the National War College, the general was awarded an honorary doctorate of humane letters degree from the University of Nebraska at Omaha in 1974, an honorary doctorate of laws degree from Lousiana Tech University in 1975, and an honorary doctorate of humane letters degree from Minot State College, Minot, N.D., in 1979. He was appointed chief of staff, U. S. Air Force on July 1, 1974 and received his appointed as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on June 21, 1978. http://www.af.mil/in....asp?bioID=5971 there is another bio sketch of General David C Jones, which was of more interest. David C Jones (1921- ), air force officer Born on July 21, 1921 in Aberdeen South Dakota, Jones attended the University of North Dakota and then Minot State College from 1939 until shortly after the entry of the United States into World War II. He then enlisted in the army and in April 1942 entered aviation training school at Roswell Field, New Mexico. In February 1943 he was designated a pilot and commissioned a second Lieutenant. He was an aviation instructor at various Army Air Forces training schools until the end of the war, advancing to first lieutenant in February 1944. From August 1945 to May 1948 he was stationed in Japan, receiving promotion to captain in April of 1946. During 1949 he attended various air force technical schools. From January 1950 to May 1953, he was attached to the 19th Bombardment Squadron, with which he flew a large number of combat missions over North Korea; promoted to major in February 1951, he rose to commander of the squadron before returning to the United States. During 1953-1954 he commanded the 22nd Air-Refueling Squadron and then the 33rd Bombardment Squadron at March Air Force Base, California, advancing to lieutenant colonel in June 1953. From January 1955 to July 1957 he was aide to Gen. Curtis E. LeMay, commander of the Strategic Air Command. Promoted to Colonel in April 1957, Jones was attached to the 93rd Bombardment Wing at Castle Air Force Base, California, in 1957-1958 and after graduating from the National War College in 1960 he was assigned to duty at air force headquarters in Washington D.C. until 1964. After a few months as commander of the 33rd Tactical Fighter Wing at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, Jones was named inspector general at the headquarters of the United States Air Forces in Europe (USAFE) in Wiesbaden, Germany in October 1965, recieving promotion to brigadier general (temporary) in December. During January-June 1967 he was temporarily chief of staff of USAFE, and from June 1967 to January 1969 he was deputy chief of staff of the Seventh Air Force under Gen. George S Brown, based in South Vietnam, and in June-July of that year he was vice commander of the Seventh. In August 1969, promoted to temporary lieutenant general, he became commander of the Second Air Force at Barksdale Air Force Base, Louisiana. In April 1971 he returned to USAFE as vice-commander, becoming commander with the rank of temporary general in September of that year. On the elevation of Gen. Brown to the chairmanship of the Joint Chief of Staff in July 1974, Jones was appointed to succeed him as chief of staff of the air force by President Richard M. Nixon. A much decorated officer, Jones brought to that post a highly varies experience, although he was little known outside military circles. page 206 Webster's American Military Biographies copyright 1978 I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but if he is a close relative of Colonel Robert E Jones, I would certainly like to know.

Well, the things he describes doing is what the Intelligence offier does - takes in reports, shares info with others, writes reports, etc. I don't think it is such a big a thing as Larry makes it out to be, especially since he was promoted to Commander of the entire Group shortly thereafter. It is significant however, that they did not engage in security for the president as Jones maintains, and Col. Reich, who Prouty mentions by name, confirms that that was not their duty. There's a lot of important info in Jones' testimony as well as in the testimony of Powell and Coyle, but the biggest thing in my mind is the fact that Jones, whether the Op Officer of Intel Officer, knew the name and rank of Capt. Gannaway, but not Whitemyer, both US Army Reserve officers, and both involved in the motorcade and events of the day. The emphasis so far has been on the 112th, while I think more attention should be given to the 488th, since this Reserve unit inclues the guy who gave the 112th the bogus info that Oswald was a card carrying Communist and had defected to Cuba, info that was passed on immediately, and apparently without verification, to the Florida Strike Force at Fort McDill. "You don't know what's happening here, do you, Mister Jones" BK I believe it is possible some new information can be gleaned from what is included below, the Col Robert E. Jones document from the day of the assassination, is probably one of the earliest documents I have ever seen. Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA)/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (staff notes) 180-10147-10166 Mr. Jones believes that one person with whom he would have spoken to was FBI Special Agent In Charge J Gordon Shanklin. He may have talked with the Dallas FBI office more than one time that day...... In addition Jones believes that this “after action report” included information obtained from reports filed by the eight to twelve military agents who performed liason functions with the Secret Service in Dallas on the day of the assassination. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=33133&relPageId=104 FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File Section 1 At 3:15 p.m. November 22, 1963, Lt. Colonel Robert E. Jones, Operations Officer 112th INCT Group, San Antonio, advised that through news broadcasts they had learned that Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested after killing a Police Officer in a theater and that Oswald was a suspect in President Kennedy’s death. Jones stated Oswald reportedly is married to a Russian woman and has traveled extensively in Russia. When arrested today in Dallas, according to information Col. Jones has, Oswald was carrying a selective service card bearing the name of Alex Hidell. Jones stated that INTC records here reflect reference to an A. J. Hidell who reportedly has been distributing “Hands Off Cuba” literature. Records of INCT in New Orleans reflect that Oswald has been arrested in New Orleans for distributing pro-Cuban literature. The records of the Corpus Christi INTC Group contained the following newspaper articles: Corpus Christi Caller 1 November 1959 “EX-MARINE DEFECTS TO RUSSIA “Texan Asks Russia to Become Citizen “Moscow A.P. “An ex-Marine from Texas told the U.S. Embassy Saturday, that he was applying for Soviet citizenship. “’I have made up my mind, I’m through’ said Lee Harvey Oswald, 20, of Fort Worth, Texas slapping his passport on the desk. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=57690&relPageId=185 the 105-82555 document continues to at least the page/URL below. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=57690&relPageId=188 Would it be unreasonable to assume that if there were 8 to 12 agents as referenced, standard operating procedure for a criminal investigation would be to provide all 8 to 12 agent reports for the record. I believe that would be more enlightening than having 1,000 pages of documents regarding the history of Hosty's memo's, [HSCA era] 35. ADMIN FOLDER-D4.1: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRY UNIT ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER ENTITLED "REPORTS TO ATTORNEY GENERAL RE: HOSTY NOTE" RIF#: 124-10364-10001 (11/20/75) FBI#: 62-117290-ADMIN FOLDER 36. ADMIN FOLDER-D4.2: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRY UNIT ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER ENTITLED "REPORTS TO ATTORNEY GENERAL RE: HOSTY NOTE" RIF#: 124-10364-10002 (07/29/75) FBI#: 62-117290-ADMIN FOLDER 37. ADMIN FOLDER-D4.3: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRY UNIT ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER ENTITLED "REPORTS TO ATTORNEY GENERAL RE: HOSTY NOTE" RIF#: 124-10364-10003 (10/01/75) FBI#: 62-117290-ADMIN FOLDER or cursory mention of Oswald's pubic hair, [Warren Commission] but that's just me. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=145526

The following passage from page 218 of Texas Mutiny by Sheila Allee takes place circa 1953, the circumstances recounted, concern a potential investigation into financial accounting irregularities by George Parr, the portion of the conversation below takes place as the process of implementing legal inquiry into these allegations, [miss-appropriation of funds from monies of the Benavides School District by George Parr] becomes stifled. "That doesent add up so I decided to do a little investigating on my own. This district chief, his name is Bob Phinney, and he came to us under some pretty strange circumstances last year. He was postmaster in Austin, and all of a sudden he’s head of the IRS district. No experience in the Treasury Department. Nothing like that at all. Still, presto he’s my big boss. Well I did some poking around and found out that his brother, a guy named Carl Phinney, he was LBJ’s campaign manager in ‘48. As his reward, this Carl Phinney got to be postmaster in Dallas, and his brother got to be the big post office cheese in Austin. And now, through some strange twist of fate, he’s the big cheese in my office." DMN 1973 Retirement Set By IRS Official (Austin -AP) R. L. Phinney, director of the Internal Revenue Service for the southern half of Texas, will retire at the end of this month after working for 38 years for the federal government. Phinney estimates he has collected $52 billion in income taxes in the last two decades Phinney was appointed by President Harry Truman as postmaster in Austin in 1947. He remained with the post office until becoming acting collector for the IRS in 1952 and a few months later became the district director. Phinney was born in Marble Falls in 1910 and his family moved to Austin in 1916. His mother died during the 1918 influenza epidemic and the children went to live in Brownwood with their grandparents. He graduated from Brownwood High School in 1927. He attended the University of Texas for a couple of years, then went to work for the Texas Highway Department. Austin American-Statesman (TX) - August 3, 1992 Bob Phinney, former Austin IRS director, dies Funeral services for R.L. "Bob" Phinney, former director of the Austin District of the Internal Revenue Service, will be at 10 a.m. Tuesday at Austin Memorial Park. Phinney died Saturday in Ramsey Place Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in Austin. He was 82. Phinney headed the Austin District of the IRS for 21 years. There he gained a reputation for being fair but stern, said U.S. Rep. Jake Pickle, D-Austin. "Bob Phinney was the kind of public servant that gave public service its best name," Pickle said Sunday. "He was nationally recognized as one of the superior district directors. He was friendly, but tough as nails." Phinney, born in Marble Falls in 1910, attended college at the University of Texas for two years before dropping out during the Depression because of a lack of funds. In the 1930s he worked with Lyndon B. Johnson setting up a Texas chapter of the National Youth Administration in Austin. During World War II Phinney served as an officer of the 36th Division of the Texas National Guard in North Africa and Italy and was awarded a Bronze Star for meritorious service in combat. After the war, Phinney was among several prominent Texans, including Pickle and former governor John Connally, who organized the Austin Broadcasting Company and began operating radio station KVET in 1946. A year later he was named Austin postmaster. In 1952 Phinney began his 21-year stint as director of the Austin District of the IRS, which included Austin, Houston, San Antonio, El Paso and Corpus Christi. Although Phinney said he received his share of criticism as an IRS director from disgruntled taxpayers, when he retired in 1973 he said the job had been "more fun than I ever had in my life in the last 21 years. I like to deal with the people." Phinney is survived by his daughter, Susan Phinney Conrad of Washington, D.C. He was preceded in death by his wife, Helen Louise Avery, in 1988. Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - January 12, 1987 RITES FOR CARL LAWRENCE PHINNEY TO BE TODAY Services for Carl Lawrence Phinney, former commanding general of the Texas National Guard and a retired Dallas attorney, will be at 3 p.m. Monday at Highland Park United Methodist Church. Phinney, 82, died Saturday at Presbyterian Hospital after a lengthy illness. A native of Marble Falls, Burnet County, Phinney received his law degree from the University of Texas at Austin in 1926. He joined the Texas National Guard in 1925 and served with the U.S. Army in North Africa and Italy during World War II, receiving the Silver Star award. He retired as a major general in the Army in 1969, after serving eight years as commanding general of the Texas Guard, relatives said. Phinney practiced law for 50 years, retiring in 1981 as senior partner in the firm of Phinney Hallman Pulley & Coke in Dallas. He was chairman of the Texas Securities Commission from 1966 to 1973, and had served on the Texas State Board of Control. He was a member of Highland Park United Methodist Church. Survivors include his wife, Louise Snow Phinney of Dallas; a daughter, Louise Caldwell of Dallas; a son, Carl Phinney Jr. of Houston; two brothers, Temple Phinney of Dallas and R.L. Phinney of Austin; and six grandchildren. Memorials may be made to the Communities Foundation of Texas or the Dallas Historical Society Library Fund. Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - January 19, 1987 THE OBITUARIES ONLY TOLD HALF THE STORY OF CARL PHINNEY When Carl Phinney died a little over a week ago, the obits made no mention of his political activities. Perhaps it was because Gen. Phinney never ran for public office and the files were void of his behind-the-scenes efforts from the municipal level to the White House. As confidant, adviser, campaigner. There are a host of friends who can gladly fill in the blanks. He was best known as one of the top men on Lyndon Johnson's team in Dallas, "with free access to the Oval Office' during LBJ's White House years, recalls former Judge Bob Hall. Whenever Phinney picked up the phone, he got through, says Leroy Hallman, a one-time partner in Phinney, Hallman, Pulley & Coke. U.S. Appellate Judge Irving Goldberg, now a senior judge and another member of the same LBJ team, parries the political questions while emphasizing his close friendship with and admiration for Phinney and his "patience and kindness.' Phinney first got to know LBJ when Johnson was National Youth Administration chief in Texas during the 1930s. Their friendship deepened when Johnson was in Congress and led to Phinney's campaign leadership role in North Texas in 1948, when LBJ captured the U.S. Senate seat by 87 votes. In 1960, "when it wasn't considered popular to be a Democrat in Dallas,' reminds U.S. Judge Barefoot Sanders, Phinney was selected by Johnson and House Speaker Sam Rayburn to serve as Dallas County co-chairman for the Kennedy-Johnson campaign along with Judge Sarah Hughes. Sanders well remembers Phinney's contribution since he, himself, was chosen to be the Dallas County campaign director. Though Phinney was a conservative Democrat, he remained a Democrat in the crucial 1952 presidential election when Gov. Allan Shivers, a longtime Phinney friend and political ally, switched to Gen. David Eisenhower. Phinney stayed with the Democratic Party and supported Illinois Gov. Adlai Stevenson. He did so again in 1956. Retired Maj. Gen. Lewis Stephens, former commander of the National Guard's 49th Armored Division, recalls how a gracious Phinney would arrange for him and Charles Kirkham, now a vice president of Merrill Lynch, to attend Democratic National conventions. Stephens' relationship with Phinney began when Stephens left active duty in the '50s and joined the 36th Texas National Guard Division. Phinney was the commander. Stephens became his aide. Later during the Johnson presidential years, Phinney would call Stephens, though he was no longer his aide, and say, "I want you to drive me down to the ranch.' One such visit, they encountered the president, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Earle Wheeler, a wartime friend of Phinney's, and others gathered around the pool. Stephens remembers Phinney's advice on national policy was offered and received as an equal. But he remembers, too, a telling incident during the drive home. Passing through Belton, Phinney spotted a hitchhiker -- "about 70, obviously down on his luck, but presentable.' Phinney stopped. "Where're you headed?' he asked. "Waco' -- just up the road. "Get in.' That was Phinney, the man. Two hours after conferring with some of the most powerful men in the world, there he was helping a total stranger, a seeming nobody. Former Attorney General Waggoner Carr remembers Phinney entering the political world as chief clerk of the Texas House of Representatives in the early '30s. (His wife Louise took over the post when Phinney decided to enter law practice in Dallas.) It was there that he met Price Daniel, who was later speaker. When Daniel ran successfully for attorney general after the war, Phinney headed up his North Texas campaign. When Daniel ran for U.S. senator, he did the same. When Daniel left the Senate to run for governor, there was Phinney to help him. When Dallas lost the Baylor Medical School to Houston during World War II, Dr. Edward H. Cary, the prominent Dallas physician and a founding father of the Southwestern Medical Foundation, and the business community created Southwestern Medical School in 1943. They knew its survival hinged on getting the Legislature to make it a part of the University of Texas system. Phinney and his partner, Hallman, were chosen to lobby it through. SMS joined UT in 1949. And it was Phinney who helped Ernest Thompson -- before and after WWII -- win a seat and become a power on the Texas Railroad Commission. Though he resided in the Park Cities, he practiced law in Dallas and was a top political adviser for years to the legendary Robert L. Thornton and others in the city's establishment. The list is still incomplete. It's true Phinney successfully practiced law, built a distinguished military career, was chairman of the Texas Securities Commission and served his community, state and country well. It's true also the Carl Phinney legacy would show the realm of politics can be an honorable calling for honorable men and women. END Robert: So the question becomes, are these allegations regarding Carl and Robert Phinney’s affiliation true? Well apparently they definitely were regarding Robert, although the jury’s still out on Carl. So the obvious issue is could they have impacted or interfaced with the “investigation” into mail and post office box use by Lee Oswald Jack Ruby and significant others, see [post, OFFICE BOXES Sources: WC 22, p. 652; WC 24, p. 259; CD 897, p. 141; CD 1306, p. 124 Rented P.O. Box 6225 on Nov. 1, 1963. Jack Ruby rented P.O. Box 5475 on Nov. 7, 1963. Michael Bentley Murph's family, Murdock Lead Co. (later Southern Lead), had P.O. Box 5298 (next to Lee Oswald's box), M.B. Murph was a Clerk for Murdock Lead. Mary Hollies, Scott-Foresman employee on 4th Flr of TSBD had P.O. Box 5944 in Nov. 1963. Terminal Annex box numbers ran from 5001 through 6499. LHO - P.O. Box 2915, Dallas, rented October 9, 1962, closed May 1963 LHO - P.O. Box 6225, Dallas, rented Nov 1, 1963 (WC Vol 22, pp. 185, 291); Ruby - rented P.O. Box 5475, Dallas, Nov 7, 1963 ] as investigated by Harry Holmes in 1963? As David Belin used to say, You be The Jury Also see http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/phillipson-picket.html

How can a Warren Commission document, in this case CD 480; be considered a book at maryferrell.org that cannot be "unlocked?" See http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/lockedPage.do?docId=10881 Or simply try to access CD 480....... Answer See NARA search results for CD 480 AGENCY : WC RECORD NUMBER : 179-40001-10417 RECORDS SERIES : 09: OSWALD, MARGUERITE DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : FBI FROM : HOOVER, J. EDGAR TO : RANKIN, J. LEE TITLE : [No Title] DATE : 03/11/1964 PAGES : 2 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : OSWALD, MARGUERITE, RADIO APPEARANCES CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED RESTRICTIONS : REFERRED CURRENT STATUS : POSTPONED IN FULL DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 00/00/0000 COMMENTS : COVER LETTER ENCLOSING CD 480 AND 480A-- FOUR REELS OF TAPE AND TWO COPIES OF A MEMO DATED 3/6/64; P. 1-2; BOX F04 See http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/27270/jfksnew.txt Why would NARA have a problem declassifying this? I also would not just assume the papers referenced in Pope's story, are "identical" with the 4 reels of tape in 179-40001-10417 and 179-40006-10016 Mass media consensus has always been she was a "crazy old lady," If that is so, why are they still classified? John Armstrong's Oswald family "doubles" is not a popular topic, but considering that, the above proves all the facts aren't in regarding Marguerite at least; maybe someone who traveled all over the world researching the JFK assassination, deserves a little more respect, for his unpopular postulations.

OWEN, GEORGE W., JR. Sources: Dallas City Directory 1963; Deep Politics, Scott, pp. 234, 240-241; Silent Coup, Colodny & Gettlin, pp. 131, 134 Mary's Comments: In 1963, Owen is shown in Dallas City Directory as president of The University Club of Dallas, 1415-1/2 Commerce, Dallas, TX. Dave Cherry was bartender at the University Club. (The Carousel Club was located at 1312-1/2 Commerce, Dallas.) Owen was also a scout for the Dallas Cowboys and later became associated with the New Orleans Saints. His second wife was Maureen "Mo" Biner who later became Maureen Dean, the wife of John Dean of Watergate fame, and who has in recent years broadened his horizons and is simultaneously an author, columnist, and commentator on contemporary politics, especially the foibles of the Republican Party. DMN July 4, 1973 Mrs Dean Reported to Have Dallas Connections Maureen Dean, who has become the "mystery woman," as the fashion-plate wife of ousted White House counsel John Dean, formerly was a Dallas airline stewardess and model and reportedly has another Dallas connection. According to friends, Mrs. Dean was married in 1967 and 1968 to George Owen of Dallas, at the time he was employed as director of player-relations for the New Orleans Saints in New Orleans. Owen, now an associate in a Dallas real-estate investments firm, refused to answer any questions Tuesday. "He's not granting any interviews," a secretary in the plush Preston Towers office of Henry Kyle said. While sports figures in New Orleans and Dallas (Owen formerly was on the business staff of the Dallas Cowboys) appear familiar with the marriage, Mrs. Dean did not acknowledge it on her marriage license application to Dean. She lists herself in the application filed at Alexandria, Va., in October as Maureen Elizabeth Biner, a widow, married only once before (to the late Michael Biner a Los Angeles area stockbroker). Biographical data on the 27 year-old, platinum-blonde who has sat behind John Wesley Dean III throughout his five long days of nationally televised Watergate testimony has not been easy to come by. American Airlines verified that Maureen Elizabeth Kane (her family name) of Los Angeles was graduated from their Stewardess College at Greater Southwest International Airport April 14, 1966. She was based in Dallas until Oct. 1, 1966, when she left the company...... Before coming to Dallas to become a stewardess, Mrs. Dean attended Santa Monica City College, was a secretary-receptionist for an insurance agency in California and was hostess in the Tea Room of Bullock's, near Los Angeles. (According to the story, Michael Biner was killed in an automobile accident) Of all the topics that intertwine in the Kennedy saga, baseball was not one that I ever contemplated being on the list, but it is on the list. Looks like Bill Kelly was right, as I jumped the gun on coming to the conclusion that Peter William Cimino the baseball pitcher, could not have been the same Pete Cimino described by Gene Roberts..... It was, as a matter of fact definitely the same Pete Cimino In 1963 he began the season as a pitcher at the AA level for the Charlotte Hornets, a few months later he was a relief pitcher for the AAA Dallas-Ft. Worth Rangers managed by Jack McKeown Brief background of the Dallas Ft. Worth Rangers In 1960 the Dallas Eagles and their old archrival, the Fort Worth Cats, were combined into one team as the Dallas-Fort Worth Rangers and competed in the American Association. During its years in the association, the team split its home games between Burnett Field and LaGrave Field in Fort Worth. Then, when the American Association disbanded in 1962, the Rangers joined the Pacific Coast League. The Dallas-Fort Worth team competed in the Pacific Coast League in 1963. Fort Worth businessman Tommy Mercer bought the franchise and returned Fort Worth to the Texas League in 1964; Dallas remained in the Pacific Coast League. Related Dallas Morning News Stories Jan 23, 1960 “Yep, He Did” Cimino’s 114 point game for Bristoe High School, on January 22, 1960, January 31, 1963 “Rangers Sign Four Hurlers” the four rookies are Joe Balinsky, Pete Cimino, George Balinsky and John Quinn March 25, 1963 “Out at the Plate, but a Hit at Home” - “Dallas Fort Worth tackles Columbus of the International League, a Triple A farm team of the Pittsburgh organization here Monday, and Mgr. Jack McKeown has nominated Ted Sadowski, Al Schroll and Pete Cimino to pitch.” August 24, 1963 “Bears Claw Rangers” - “Some pitching help was reported on the way, however. Righthander Pete Cimino, who was with the Rangers in spring training and the early days of the pennant race, has been recalled from Charleston of the Sally League, where he pitched a 3-hit shutout, Thursday night.” September 9, 1963 “89ers Split Win Division” - “Oklahoma took the Burnett Field nightcap after the Dallas-Ft. Worth Rangers had won the afternoon game at Fort Worth 4-3, to sew up the Pacific League’s Southern Division title Sunday.Two rookies, Jim O’Donoghue and Pete Cimino combined in the afternoon to beat [OK89ers] Jerry Nelson.” September 10, 1963 “Twins Call up 3 as Rangers Scatter; 1964 Team Assured” - “Bonakowski and pitcher Pete Cimino will play in the Florida Instructional League at St. Petersburg beginning Oct. 1” FBI 44-24016 Ruby HQ File, Section 36 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=57022&relPageId=226 Mr. Albert Schroll, residence 711 East Colorado professional pitcher for the Minnesota Twins Baseball Club, currently employed as a salesman at the Fink Paint Company, 2605 Elm, Dallas advised he had first became acquainted with Jack Ruby in about the middle of September 1963 when he came to Dallas. He was never a member of Ruby’s clubs but was allowed to enter the club because of his status as a baseball pitcher. Ruby appeared interested in sports and suggested at their first meeting that he might be able to employ Schroll in the capacity of bouncer in one of his clubs. Schroll was thereafter employed one evening at Ruby’s Vegas Club and “off and on” for approximately one month at the Carousel Club. His duties were to assist in the seating of customers and to keep down possible rowdyism among them. He had no association with Ruby outside of his employment. From his observations of Ruby, it was his opinion that Ruby was a highly emotional individual, which has led him to believe that the shooting of Oswald was in no way premeditated. Mr. Scholl had never heard of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the Presidential assassination and was aware of no connection between Oswald and Ruby. He was not aware of any reasons why Ruby shot Oswald, During his employment at Ruby’s club, Mr. Schroll became aware that several police officers of the Dallas Police Department frequented the clubs and appeared friendly with Ruby He was not aware of the names or identities of such officers. The SA writing up this document cannot seem to make up his mind how he wants to spell SCHROLL's name. Cimino is not that unusual of a name, there are other Cimino's of interest....as indicated below 1965 photo of Pete Cimino second from left in back http://yeahminnesotatwins.tumblr.com/ re the above URL re the Minnesota Twins, there is a four letter popular expletive deleted that prefaces yeahminnesotatwins it, the four letter word is sometimes referenced as an F-Bomb MARY FERRELL ADVANCED SEARCH RESULTS CIMINO Books With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit pg 383, by Myers, Dale K. (1998) Cimino and others begin to gather at Tippit's body Benavides climbs from his truck and joins the gathering crowd Then he makes his way to Tippit's squad car to notify police Mrs Mary Wright and...... With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit pg 601, by Myers, Dale K. (1998) Endnotes 601 IBID [Note Frank Cimino's account describes the 90 seconds that elapsed between the shooting and the arrival of Ted Callaway and other witnesses Although Cimino himself did not see the...... Contract on America: The Mafia Murders of John and Robert Kennedy pg 365, by Scheim, David E. (1983) Mobster became chief of police of a Chicago suburb When Rocco Salvatore was tried for a speeding violation in 1966 Melrose Park Police Sergeant Dominic Cimino attested to Salvatore's fine character and told the court that Salvatore needed his driver's license for his business Cimino was later temporarily suspended from the Melrose Park Force when it surfaced that Sam’s business was acting as a chauffeur and bodyguard for Chicago Mafioso Sam Battaglia. But in 1967, Dominick Cimino became chief of police of Melrose Park. Shortly afterwards reports surfaced that Cimino often met with Charles [Chuck] Nicoletti, a mob enforcer and terrorist. “News accounts related that Chief Cimino was observed conferring with Nicoletti almost daily.” citation Cressey, Theft Of A Nation Dealey Plaza Echo Volume 8 Issue 2 Helen Markham and Document 106 Part II by Alaric Rosman testimony of Mrs Virginia Davis) Scoggins (3H 336) Frank Cimino (CD 7/411 Unindexed WC document Facsimile at Myers p 538 Documents “US v Cimino 427 F 2nd 129. Cert. denied, 400 U.S. 911 above see google scholar NO TITLE pg 3 Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Irwin Stanley Weiner NO TITLE Dated 6-17-75 Page 2 LC# A-98319 Martin Palm prints and fingertip impressions submitted of Suspect JOSEPH ARMANDO DE VITA FBI #993 430 K8 Fingerprint card submitted of Suspect ) JOSEPH JACK CIMINO DOB 10-17-1947 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=94763 RIF#: 124-90087-10152 (06/17/75) FBI#: 87-126535-76 NO TITLE pg 33 Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Irwin Stanley Weiner EE COVER PAGE CC 87-40262 close to as VICKI CIMINO the daughter-in-law of DOMINIC CIMINO Chief of Police Melrose Park Police Department VICKI was married to JOSEPH CIMINO and it is possible that RIF#: 124-90087-10146 (05/12/75) FBI#: 87-126535-73

I should probably apologize beforehand for posting the following, as almost all, probably all information relative to the subject is on the MKULTRA thread. But I am posting it here, because by virtue of his being a Dallas resident he figures into the equation, at least as "one of the names," relevant to the time period. I will also try to get back to the original thrust of my post regarding Gene Roberts and Peter Cimino. But for now, I am going to weigh in on another person whose name loomed large at one time. Thomas R Peasner. Unless someone produces something conclusive regarding a substantive fact to indicate otherwise, I believe that Peasner, was thrown out as a red herring in case the case against Oswald imploded. Reason: Abraham Bolden claimed that he was very aware the weekend of the assassination the Secret Service was very actively seeking the whereabouts of someone named Heard or Hurt. Evidence corroborates this claim. If there was one scintilla of evidence that Peasner was a suspect, or, that the allegation he had worked as a piano player for Jack Ruby and had left town after purchasing a rifle with a hot check, was a fact and there was a reason to indicate he had the capability to commit an extreme act of violence, I do not believe there would be such a barren information trail regarding his bona fides as a "suspect." The excerpt of the document posted below implies that he may have been subjected to brainwash indoctrination as a POW, but it is implied that there was a mindset within Army G-2, he was just "playing the game," using the same word used in the document for purposes of "expediency." It is also worth pointing out his story recieved media attention, if there was a reason to believe he was a real suspect, there would not be a generation of persons, who don't even know who he was. Addendum: The CIA had their own conspiracy theories on the assassination, albeit all of them utilizing Lee Oswald as a witting agent, for the most part. They were, at least the big names The Soviet Union, Cuba and China. If you go to NARA you can probably see some references to China in that context, see CHICOMS. The truth of the mater is that it was one thing to accuse the Soviets and the Castro government of complicity, but it was quite another to drag China into a "weak" link incriminating them re Pres. Kennedy's assassination. Nevertheless, there are CIA documents which touch on them specifically, a Chinese delegation attending a meeting in Mexico pretty close to November 22, 1963 DMN October 4, 1970 Thomas R. Peasner, Jr. Lancaster. Survived by mother, Mrs. Lydia Peasner son Thomas R. Peasner III, U.S. Coast Guard. daughters: Dana Caprice Peasner, Eilena Katherine Peasner, both of Dallas. Brothers: David Peasner, Richardson, Duane Peasner,Louisiana. Military graveside services 2:30 p.m. Monday, Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery, San Antonio BYRUM FUNERAL HOME, Lancaster PEASNER, THOMAS REDMAN JR, 10-05-70, PFC/USA, X, 1333 http://txbexar.eppygen.org/Cemeteries/Ft_Sam_Houston/Ft_Sam_Houston_P.htm Columbian, The (Vancouver, WA) February 14, 2004 Copyright © 2004 The Columbian Publishing Co., P.O. Box 180, Vancouver, WA 98666. Columbian, The (Vancouver, WA) - February 11, 2004 Deceased Name: Thomas R. Peasner III -- Vancouver Thomas R. Peasner III died Wednesday, Feb. 4, 2004, in Vancouver. He was 53. He was born Oct. 30, 1950, in Dallas, Texas, and had lived in Vancouver since 1991. He worked as a network engineer in the computer industry. He liked playing guitar and played for several churches. A memorial service will begin at 2 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 15, 2004, at Abundant Life Church. Davies Cremation and Burial Services is in charge of arrangements. Survivors include two daughters, Leslie Rives of Mississippi and Kristen Peasner of Vancouver; one son, Matthew of Vancouver; two sisters, Dana Scott and Elena Kidd, both of Austin, Texas; and one granddaughter. FBI - HSCA Subject File: Thomas R. Peasner [THOMAS RODMAN PEASNER, JR] Robert......most are dated circa 1953-56 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/docset/getList.do?docSetId=1269 NO TITLE, SUBJECTS: THOMAS R. PEASNER; [ RESTRICTED ] POW ASKS WIFE TO JOIN IN CAMPAIGN FOR WORLD PEACE This document is only partially legible, I have managed to salvage a small section 6/28/63 (Fourth Army) G-2 Comment: (Confidential) It appears that Peasner may have been subjected to an intensive Communist indoctrination as a POW. As his letter contains elements of the G-2 line, it is possible he may have fallen victim to the indoctrination program. It is also possible that Peasner found it expedient to cooperate with the Chinese authorities while not actually believing in their principles. Whatever the case, The Chinese People’s Committee for World Peace is probably using Peasner for propaganda purposes. Robeson, [negro] Fast and Gates are all well known CP members. The Daily Worker is the official organ of the American CP and the Masses and Mainstream, (now The New Masses) has been cited by the House-UnAmerican Activities as a CP front organization http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=95398 In regards to the alt.assassination.jfk postings, I will practice the fairness doctrine, and give the other side of the story........ The individual who mentions him, does so in context with Bertha Cheek's apartments and as [potentially?] the killer of Officer Tippit. Remember that game show called The Weakest Link Well, it is time to separate the wheat from the chaff..... BEGIN The U.S. Army cleared Peasner of treason in 1956, but the FBI kept tabs on him. The Army was destroying Peasner's records on 13 Aug, 1963. I can't figure out yet, if Peasner, was an informer, double or triple agent in relationship to the ICC (International Communist Conspiracy) or what, but without doubt he was the number one "subversive" in Dallas on November 22, 1963. If you can find another, PLEASE let me know about him. Both Oswald and Peasner lived in Oak Cliff, in homes owned by Mrs. Bertha Cheek, only a few blocks apart. DP officer Olsen's (girlfriend later wife) lived at 325 N. Ewing only a block from Peasner and worked for Ruby. Peasner worked at least one night as a piano player in one of Ruby's clubs. I believe the "estate" that Officer Olsen was watching was actually Peasner's residence. That "estate" was created after the fact to replace Peasner's home. I'm shocked that no file dealing with Cheek's renter's mentions Peasner, while there was a detailed look into her rentals and renters. The Cuban's on Gaston are mentioned, but no leading "street agitator" being watched by the FBI and US Army at this same address. (525 N. Ewing) On 9 November 1963, using a bad check, Peasner purchased a rifle at Sears. I believe Peasner is involved in the actions in DP and in the death of JDT in Oak Cliff. Two "Marxist's" such as Oswald and Peasner are worth investigating in my opinion. That's about as brief as I can be on my interests. I'm conducting a detailed research project at the Army War College and have three seperate FOIA requests being prepared on Peasner. I have additional details, files and reports in support of my concerns, but I wanted to show some of the concerns. Robert: I did go to the trouble of checking addresses in Dallas circa 1963-64, I didn't find anything except what is below The Dallas 1964 Telephone Directory Whitepages residential listings has only two Dallas listings for the name Peasner, They were: David Peasner 609 LaSalle Drive tel. AD 5-2705 [presently in the 75203 Zip Code area] Eve Peasner 4909 Hall St. tel. LA 1-2001 [presently in the 75204 Zip Code area] Final Argument Regarding Peasner as red herring; the 1953 Senate Subcommittee Hearings that delved into this subject, included among its members. Sen James O Eastland of Mississippi and Chief Counsel Robert Morris..... I am aware of Peter Fokes and James Olmstead's work in this area, James Olmstead pointed out the Eastland, Morris connection in the first place, which is definitely a clue where all this probably originated Here is one link http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/1f6200fff825cc23/c1ace2a59a6cffaf?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Thomas+Peasner#c1ace2a59a6cffaf You can also search alt.assassination.jfk, to get the whole rundown........

611 West 8th Street is 1.3 miles from 325 North Ewing, a fairly considerable distance for a guy on crutches to walk twice in a day, and not really what you'd call "just a ways from where [Kay] lived." A 7-11 store, incidentally, is still in the same location as it had been 50 years ago at the corner of Marsalis and East 8th, about 1/5 mile (about 3 blocks) from Kay's apartment. See this map showing Kay's apartment at "A" and the 7-11 at "B" and 611 W 8th at "C". Remember that Harry claimed that the officer whose "elderly female relative" owned the "estate" was a motorcycle officer who was working in or in conjunction with the motorcade. Swafford was part of the radio patrol division, which typically drove automobiles as I understand it, motors being generally assigned to Traffic. Just because Harry said it doesn't mean it's true, but if it is, it tends away from Swafford being the officer in question. Swafford's assignment, if he was on duty, should be among the DPD reports. He was assigned to District 105, which was downtown, according to one of the references above. He is also referenced in Batchelor Exhibit 5002, "Dallas Police Personnel Assignments, November 1963" at 19/121 as being assigned to the First Platoon whose work hours were from midnight to 8:00 a.m. This would not have precluded Swafford from guarding his relative's house - if that was really the case - during the parade as he'd have been off for more than four hours by the time it started. As I recall, Harry also said that the "estate" was located just a couple of blocks from the "Stemmons Freeway" (which, while being the same physical highway (now I-35E), it is named the R.L. Thornton Expressway along the stretch in Oak Cliff) and possibly east of it. This likewise tends away from the "estate" being located on West 8th Street. FWIW, as you go east on 8th from the freeway, it curves south and becomes Bonnie View, which in turn leads south to Kiest. It is the most likely route that JD Tippit took from Kiest & Bonnie View to 8th & Lancaster, and takes 8-9 minutes to drive at the speed limit (40 mph most of the way), about the same amount of time as between Tippit's two radio calls stating his location. Point well taken...this is definitely pertinent...the entire page is even more illuminating. I know I emphasized doing one's own document sourcing, but you won't find the following in any document..... Prof. Pulte and Greg and Joe Lowery feel that the “estate” was almost certainly the large old house at 425 E. 8th [street] owned by Wynne, Jaffe and Tinsley law partner George Gardere and Cruger Ragland an insurance agent whose father Alphonsus had served on the Dallas Crime Commission with Earle Cabell There are only two houses on East 8th Street large enough to have been though of as “estates:” 425 and 431 E. 8th, and the “estate” Olsen referred to must have been one of those two houses. Lt. Jay Finley told Prof. Pulte during their drive down E. 8th Street together that “plumbers named Johnson” used to hang out at 431 during 1960. Research showed that the owner of 431 W.W. Davidson was related to the “plumbers named Johnson” including Tommy Johnson and D. H. McFadin. Davidson himself worked for Magnolia Oil for decades The Johnson plumbers might have worked for the Beard Company, which contracted for jobs with the Wallace plumbers. Kennedy assassination witness Howard Brennan worked for them. Both the Wallace and Beard companies were conflated together and reported as the “Wallace Beard Company” by the Warren Commission in reporting Brennan’s testimony. The Beard Company was located just eight blocks west of 431 E. 8th, on the same street...... excerpt page 341, The Radical Right and The Death of JFK - Harrison Livingstone

Why I Never Believed Oswald Killed Officer Tippit http://www.maryferre...51&relPageId=79 FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 62 12/4/63 GENE ROBERTS, 1657 Nob Hill Street, Dallas, Texas, WHitehall6-4822 advised on November 22, 1963 at approximately 1:05 P.M., he was sitting in the Beckley Club drinking coffee. He said the lady that owned the cafe had a radio on the counter and that they were listening to reports of the assassination of the President. A white female and male were sitting at the back of the cafe and walked to the front, whereupon the white male asked "What's going on?" Mr. ROBERTS stated that the President had been shot and the unknown white male stated that this was the best news he had heard. The white female with him said he should not have said that. Mr. Roberts advised that the cafe owner also heard this comment. Mr. Roberts advised that the white male was about 20 to 25, appeared to be of Cuban or Puerto Rican or foreign extraction, 5'10" to 5'11," dark complexion and dark hair. He advised the white female was about 18 to 20, 5'2" to 5'3" slender build, dark hair. Mr. Roberts advised he finished his coffee and then drove down past the area where Officer Tippit was shot and noticed a number of squad cars in the area. He said he asked some woman nearby what had happened and they told him that a police officer had been shot and the body had been removed. At this time Roberts stated he observed the same white male and female from the cafe walk into a house directly across the street from where Officer Tippit had been shot and enter a side door. He said this was about 405 E. 10th Street. He said the white male was wearing a light green cloth jacket with leather patches on his elbows when he entered the house and had the same jacket on when he came out alone about two minutes later. He said he was straightening the jacket as if he had something hidden inside. He said the white male kept looking back and forth over his shoulder and never inquired of any police officers what had taken place. Roberts advised that he thought this was quite unusual and notified a police sergeant on the scene about this individual He advised the police sergeant told him that the man did not fit the description of the person that had shot Officer Tippit. On 12/3/63 at Dallas, Texas File DL 89-43 By Special Agent Robert E. Basham and James J Ward:jj Date dictated 12/4/63 Next page Mr. Roberts advised that he had numerous friends on the police department and city council and he got in touch with some of them and arrangements were made for him to see Detective Joe R. Cody which he did shortly thereafter. He said he and Cody went to the area of 405A E. 10th Street, Dallas, Texas, which Detective Cody determined was occupied by a Mr. and Mrs. PETER CIMINO. He said he made this determination through checking the mailbox and cars parked in the area. He advised that he thought that the sergeant at the scene should have arrested this man and found out who he was since he did act very suspicious as far as he was concerned. Roberts advised that since the above he had heard a few rumors and wondered whether or not they had been checked out. He said that he learned from a Constable T. A. Vines, offices in Oak Cliff Court House, Beckley and 12th Street that the woman was the night manager of the Dobbs House, Beckley and Colorado, allegedly has claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby used to come into her restaurant two or three times a week during the early morning hours. He said he further heard that Lee Harvey Oswald had purchased his bullets for the rifle he was using from Ray's Gun Shop on Singleton Blvd. http://www.maryferre...51&relPageId=80 Two witnesses to the officer's murder were Mrs. Aquilla Clemons and Frank Wright, both lived on Tenth Street. Mrs. Clemons stated, "I saw two men near the policeman's car just before the shots. The man with the gun was short and chunky, kind of heavy build, wearing khaki and a white short," a description fitting Ruby, "the second man was thin and tall." "The chunky man with the gun ran off in one direction, the second man in another." Mr. Wright heard the shots in his front room, he said, "Stepping out my front door I caught sight of Officer Tippit in time to see him roll over then lie still. I saw a man of medium height wearing a long coat that ended just above his hands, he ran around the police car fast as he could and jumped in a little old gray coupe, he drove away very fast." Within three minutes radio cars and an ambulance arrived. Four empty casings were found on the ground ejected from an automatic pistol. Sgt. Gerald Hill, an officer with many years of army experience and police work behind him recognized that the shells were ejected from an automatic pistol, he radioed this information immediately to headquarters. At the same time he ordered Office J.M. Poe to mark the casings with his initials to record the chain of evidence. Another patrol officer radioed in, "I have an eyeball witness to the suspect in the shooting, he's a white male armed with a dark finish automatic pistol." When arrested only minutes later in a theater Oswald carried a revolver which does not eject its shells. The persons full name was Eugene Leslie Roberts DMN 3/14/64 Visiting Reporters See Guilty Verdict Gene Roberts Detroit Free Press: "I look for 25 to 35 years There was a period when I thought Ruby might do better but then the state had about eight witnesses that changed my mind" Add the duality of Oswald's wallet's, recovered at the Tippit shooting scene; how many were there? possibly as many as four. The fact that the shells recovered at the scene of the Tippit shooting would never have been admissible in a court of law, due to the fact that there was not even a clear chain of evidentiary possession, that the Dallas Police could not even factually state that the shells recovered from Oswald's revolver were identical with the shells recovered from the Tippit crime scene, the time difference factually established, that proves the official time of Officer Tippit's death is a complete sham add up to one big zero in making Oswald the patsy in the Tippit murder. PS For those [wishful] thinkers that would be pleasantly surprised to learn Gene Roberts was some sort of person of dubious character, you might want to read the following. http://en.wikipedia....28journalist%29 For myself, persons like Gene Roberts and those like him, serve as an inspiration for researchers, for the simple reason that he did the right thing, he spoke up for the truth, when it wasn't what some people wanted to hear, and not only survived, but made a life for himself, without compromising who he was. robert i found this info from gene roberts posted here on the forum tucked away, fwiw...b http://educationforu...showtopic=12133 Thanks Bernice.... Mr Roberts, as I imagine you are well aware, a March 2, 1964 article in Newsweek Magazine claimed you had purchased a number of photographs of Oswald on behalf of the Detroit Free Press. As a negative of one of these photographs has never been located or analyzed, I was hoping you would choose to speak out at this late date regarding this incident, so that perhaps this negative denied even by the Warren Commission, can finally be found. There are many historians and researchers who consider the source of these photos and their eventual whereabouts of utmost interest. So I guess what I'm asking is really four simple questions.. 1. Who sold you these photographs? If not the name then at least the occupation and the circumstances leading to this person gaining access to them. 2. What photos were included in your purchase? 3. Did the Warren Commission or the House Select Committee on Assassinations ever contact you or try to reacquire these photos? 4. Do you know what became of these photos? Gene Roberts: The photographs you asked about came from the files of the district attorneys office in Dallas. The DA got them from the FBI. They were the same photographs that were given to the Warren Commission. The photographs included the well known photograph of Oswald holding a rifle in one hand and The Worker, the Communist Party newspaper from New York, in the other; photocopies of Oswald's identity cards, some with aliases and others in his own name;and some family photos, as I recall. I don't remember the exact number, but there were possibly as many as 25 or 30. Almost all of the photographs were later made public, but at the time they were new to the reading public. No negatives were involved, only copies of photos and documents in the FBI files. The FBI made them available to the Dallas DA to aid in the prosecution of the Jack Ruby case. I correctly guessed this might happen and made every effort to cultivate people in the DA's office in the hope files available to me from 8pm on a Saturday night to 8am on Sunday morning, a 12 hour period when the employee did not think anyone would be in the DA's office. I hired an experienced photolab person to photocopy the file during the 12 hour period. I stayed with him during the entire copying process and he provided me with two copies of every photo and document in the file. I had planned to route each set of copies on different airlines from Dallas to my newspaper at the time, The Detroit Free Press in Detroit, Michigan but I was so sleep deprived that when I arrived at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport on Sunday at about 9am, I failed to make my instructions clear and both sets of photographs were routed on the same flight to Detroit. Because of weather conditions - or mechanical problems, I cant remember which - the plane was grounded in New Orleans for several hours. Panic developed at the Free Press, which wanted the photos in time for the first edition of the Monday paper, which had a 6pm deadline on Sunday. We knew that life magazine had access to some of the photos and would start appearing at newsstands about noon on Monday. We wanted to beat them to the punch. As the deadline approached, editors in Detroit asked me to describe the pictures and estimate the size of each photo that would be on page one. With this information, the paper set the type for the front page and made the page with holes for the pictures. The plane arrived in Detroit about 30 minutes before deadline on Sunday at the Detroit airport, which was about 30 minutes by car from the Free Press Building. My editor, Derrick Daniels, had motorcycles waiting on the tarmac to speed the photos to the newsroom, where he had photo editors and airbrush artists waiting to expedite the photos into the paper. In 1964, engraving processes were not as sophisticated as they later became and it was commonplace to airbrush photos with white liquid chalk to heighten the definition between dark and gray areas in photographs. In the haste to get the photos in the paper, an airbrusher covered the sniper scope (on the rifle Oswald was holding along with The Worker Paper) with liquid chalk. Our paper was indeed available several hours ahead of life. But when Life appeared on newsstands, its photo of Oswald with the Worker paper had a sniper scope. The Free Press photo did not. Armchair detectives around the world found this to be highly suspicious. But the Life and Free Press photos were both copies of the very same photograph. Because airbrushes use liquid chalk that can be scratched away with a fingernail, you could easily determine that the photographs were the same. The apparent discrepancies of the photos have been mentioned several times over the years in books and articles, creating a mystery where none really existed. Had anyone taken the time to visit the morgues (libraries) of the two publications, they could have seen that the photos were the same. Sincerely, Gene Roberts This is just getting too weird...... I had earlier mentioned my interest in the Tippit shooting and its relation to the "estate" on Tenth Street, which Harry Olsen [married Kathy Kay, Ruby Stripper] was guarding on the day of the assassination..... Whether, there is any connection remains to be seen, but on the latter..... The historical record regarding the "estate on Tenth Street" appears to be in serious need of another look..... I would admonish those who may have heard the suggestion that John Armstrong [Harvey and Lee] made to researchers to check your original source documents, instead of quoting, or referencing other books as applicable in this case. Why Read on Mr. Specter. Where did you live in September of 1963? Mrs. Olsen. On Ewing. Mr. Specter. What was your specific address? Mrs. Olsen. I think it was 325 North Ewing. Mr. Specter. Where did Mr. Olsen live at that time? Mrs. Olsen. In September? Mr. Specter. September of 1963. Mrs. Olsen. 1963? I think he was at Theatre Lane. Mr. Specter. Where did Mr. Ruby live in September of 1963? Mrs. Olsen. I think he lived on Ewing, too. I don't know the address; it was out further. Mr. Specter. Tell me as precisely as you can recollect what you did on Friday, November 22. Mrs. Olsen. Harry was guarding an estate on 8th Street just a ways from where I lived, and I fixed a lunch for him and stopped off at the 7-11 store to get him some milk, and that's when I heard that there had been some trouble downtown; a colored lady told me that. Mr. Specter. What time was that that you stopped at the 7-11 store? Mrs. Olsen. Oh, I guess about 12:30. EXCERPT OF HARRY OLSEN'S WC TESTIMONY Do you recall November 22, 1963, the day President Kennedy was assassinated? Mr. Olsen. Yes, sir. Mr. Specter. Tell me, as specifically as you can recollect, exactly what your activities were on that day. Mr. Olsen. I was employed by the Dallas Police Department and I was working at an extra job guarding an estate. Mr. Specter. Whose estate was that? Mr. Olsen. I don't remember the name. Mr. Specter. How did you happen to get that extra job? Mr. Olsen. A motorcycle officer was related to this elderly woman and he was doing work, but he was in the motor---- Mr. Specter. Cade? Mr. Olsen. Motorcade of the President, and I was off that day and able to work it. Mr, SPECTER. Do you recall the name of the motorcycle officer? Mr. Olsen. No. Mr. Specter. Where was that estate located? Mr. Olsen. On 8th Street in Dallas. Mr. Specter. Do you recall the specific address or the cross street on which it was located? Mr. Olsen. It's in the Oak Cliff area, it's approximately two blocks off of Stemmons. Mr. Specter. How did it happen that you were not on duty with the police department on the day President Kennedy was in town? Mr. Olsen. I had my leg in a cast and I was doing light duty, which was working in the office, patrol office, and I had asked them if they needed me to work that day and they said no. Mr. Specter. What sort of an accident did you have to injure your leg? Mr. Olsen. I fell and broke my kneecap. Mr. Specter. When did that occur? Mr. Olsen. Oh, several weeks before. Mr. Specter. At what hospital were you treated? Mr. Olsen. Baylor Hospital. Mr. Specter. Is that in Dallas? Mr. Olsen. Yes, sir; it's on Gaston. Mr. Specter. What time did you start to guard the estate on that particular Friday? Mr. Olsen. About 7 a.m. Mr. Specter. And how long did that guard duty last? Mr. Olsen. Until about 8. Mr. Specter. Eight p.m.? Mr. Olsen. P.m., yes, sir. Mr. Specter. Did you have any visitors while you were guarding the estate on that day? Mr. Olsen. Yes, sir. Mr. Specter. And who was the visitor or visitors? Mr. Olsen. Kay. Mr. Specter. What time did she visit you? Mr. Olsen. Right after the President was shot. Mr. Specter. How did you learn of the assassination of the President? Mr. Olsen. A woman called me on the phone who was a friend of the person who had lived there. Mr. Specter. Do you know who that woman was? Mr. Olsen. No, sir.- And she wanted to know if I had heard the news, and I said no and she said, "The President has been shot." Mr. Specter. What time did that telephone call occur? Mr. Olsen. Right after he was shot. I don't know exactly what time it was. Mr. Specter. Did you talk to anybody else on the telephone or in person between the telephone call and the time that Kay visited you? Mr. Olsen. Passers-by. I went outside. Mr. Specter. Whom did you see outside? Mr. Olsen. No one who I knew by name They just said, "Have you heard the news?" And I said, "Yes, I had." 1964 Dallas White Pages Residential Telephone Listings Swafford, Annie Mrs. 611 W 8th Street WH 2-1541 Key to understanding why this is important, is that the estate of the old lady whom Harry Olsen was "guarding" was a relative of Dallas Police Officer Billy Swafford. SWAFFORD, BILL ----- Sources: WC Vol 22, p. 915; CD 85, pp. 228-229 Mary's Comments: Dallas Police Department officer, relative of old lady whose "estate" Harry Olson was guarding on 11/22/63. Thought for the day. There were, at the same approximate time Harry Olsen recieved his anonymous phone call after the assassination, other phone calls that are part of the historical record; one of those phone calls was from Bertha Cheek to Earline Roberts, Oswald's landlady. There also was a phone call identity unknown, which was placed at 12:45 PM, this person was insistent and used abusive language, the call was handled by an telephone operator named Faye Massey, and the caller wanted the telephone number to Oswald at 1026 N.Beckley* It does not require a mind capable of thinking in the abstract to ponder whether Mrs. Bertha Cheek or Earline Roberts placed the call to Harry Olsen. * Source The Peter Vea Index A Chronological Listing of Memo's and Leads in the Garrison Probe of the Assassination of President Kennedy entry for September 18, 1967 The plot thickens

Why I Never Believed Oswald Killed Officer Tippit http://www.maryferre...51&relPageId=79 FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 62 12/4/63 GENE ROBERTS, 1657 Nob Hill Street, Dallas, Texas, WHitehall6-4822 advised on November 22, 1963 at approximately 1:05 P.M., he was sitting in the Beckley Club drinking coffee. He said the lady that owned the cafe had a radio on the counter and that they were listening to reports of the assassination of the President. A white female and male were sitting at the back of the cafe and walked to the front, whereupon the white male asked "What's going on?" Mr. ROBERTS stated that the President had been shot and the unknown white male stated that this was the best news he had heard. The white female with him said he should not have said that. Mr. Roberts advised that the cafe owner also heard this comment. Mr. Roberts advised that the white male was about 20 to 25, appeared to be of Cuban or Puerto Rican or foreign extraction, 5'10" to 5'11," dark complexion and dark hair. He advised the white female was about 18 to 20, 5'2" to 5'3" slender build, dark hair. Mr. Roberts advised he finished his coffee and then drove down past the area where Officer Tippit was shot and noticed a number of squad cars in the area. He said he asked some woman nearby what had happened and they told him that a police officer had been shot and the body had been removed. At this time Roberts stated he observed the same white male and female from the cafe walk into a house directly across the street from where Officer Tippit had been shot and enter a side door. He said this was about 405 E. 10th Street. He said the white male was wearing a light green cloth jacket with leather patches on his elbows when he entered the house and had the same jacket on when he came out alone about two minutes later. He said he was straightening the jacket as if he had something hidden inside. He said the white male kept looking back and forth over his shoulder and never inquired of any police officers what had taken place. Roberts advised that he thought this was quite unusual and notified a police sergeant on the scene about this individual He advised the police sergeant told him that the man did not fit the description of the person that had shot Officer Tippit. On 12/3/63 at Dallas, Texas File DL 89-43 By Special Agent Robert E. Basham and James J Ward:jj Date dictated 12/4/63 Next page Mr. Roberts advised that he had numerous friends on the police department and city council and he got in touch with some of them and arrangements were made for him to see Detective Joe R. Cody which he did shortly thereafter. He said he and Cody went to the area of 405A E. 10th Street, Dallas, Texas, which Detective Cody determined was occupied by a Mr. and Mrs. PETER CIMINO. He said he made this determination through checking the mailbox and cars parked in the area. He advised that he thought that the sergeant at the scene should have arrested this man and found out who he was since he did act very suspicious as far as he was concerned. Roberts advised that since the above he had heard a few rumors and wondered whether or not they had been checked out. He said that he learned from a Constable T. A. Vines, offices in Oak Cliff Court House, Beckley and 12th Street that the woman was the night manager of the Dobbs House, Beckley and Colorado, allegedly has claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby used to come into her restaurant two or three times a week during the early morning hours. He said he further heard that Lee Harvey Oswald had purchased his bullets for the rifle he was using from Ray's Gun Shop on Singleton Blvd. http://www.maryferre...51&relPageId=80 Two witnesses to the officer's murder were Mrs. Aquilla Clemons and Frank Wright, both lived on Tenth Street. Mrs. Clemons stated, "I saw two men near the policeman's car just before the shots. The man with the gun was short and chunky, kind of heavy build, wearing khaki and a white short," a description fitting Ruby, "the second man was thin and tall." "The chunky man with the gun ran off in one direction, the second man in another." Mr. Wright heard the shots in his front room, he said, "Stepping out my front door I caught sight of Officer Tippit in time to see him roll over then lie still. I saw a man of medium height wearing a long coat that ended just above his hands, he ran around the police car fast as he could and jumped in a little old gray coupe, he drove away very fast." Within three minutes radio cars and an ambulance arrived. Four empty casings were found on the ground ejected from an automatic pistol. Sgt. Gerald Hill, an officer with many years of army experience and police work behind him recognized that the shells were ejected from an automatic pistol, he radioed this information immediately to headquarters. At the same time he ordered Office J.M. Poe to mark the casings with his initials to record the chain of evidence. Another patrol officer radioed in, "I have an eyeball witness to the suspect in the shooting, he's a white male armed with a dark finish automatic pistol." When arrested only minutes later in a theater Oswald carried a revolver which does not eject its shells. The persons full name was Eugene Leslie Roberts DMN 3/14/64 Visiting Reporters See Guilty Verdict Gene Roberts Detroit Free Press: "I look for 25 to 35 years There was a period when I thought Ruby might do better but then the state had about eight witnesses that changed my mind" Add the duality of Oswald's wallet's, recovered at the Tippit shooting scene; how many were there? possibly as many as four. The fact that the shells recovered at the scene of the Tippit shooting would never have been admissible in a court of law, due to the fact that there was not even a clear chain of evidentiary possession, that the Dallas Police could not even factually state that the shells recovered from Oswald's revolver were identical with the shells recovered from the Tippit crime scene, the time difference factually established, that proves the official time of Officer Tippit's death is a complete sham add up to one big zero in making Oswald the patsy in the Tippit murder. PS For those [wishful] thinkers that would be pleasantly surprised to learn Gene Roberts was some sort of person of dubious character, you might want to read the following. http://en.wikipedia....28journalist%29 For myself, persons like Gene Roberts and those like him, serve as an inspiration for researchers, for the simple reason that he did the right thing, he spoke up for the truth, when it wasn't what some people wanted to hear, and not only survived, but made a life for himself, without compromising who he was. robert i found this info from gene roberts posted here on the forum tucked away, fwiw...b http://educationforu...showtopic=12133 Thanks Bernice.... Mr Roberts, as I imagine you are well aware, a March 2, 1964 article in Newsweek Magazine claimed you had purchased a number of photographs of Oswald on behalf of the Detroit Free Press. As a negative of one of these photographs has never been located or analyzed, I was hoping you would choose to speak out at this late date regarding this incident, so that perhaps this negative denied even by the Warren Commission, can finally be found. There are many historians and researchers who consider the source of these photos and their eventual whereabouts of utmost interest. So I guess what I'm asking is really four simple questions.. 1. Who sold you these photographs? If not the name then at least the occupation and the circumstances leading to this person gaining access to them. 2. What photos were included in your purchase? 3. Did the Warren Commission or the House Select Committee on Assassinations ever contact you or try to reacquire these photos? 4. Do you know what became of these photos? Gene Roberts: The photographs you asked about came from the files of the district attorneys office in Dallas. The DA got them from the FBI. They were the same photographs that were given to the Warren Commission. The photographs included the well known photograph of Oswald holding a rifle in one hand and The Worker, the Communist Party newspaper from New York, in the other; photocopies of Oswald's identity cards, some with aliases and others in his own name;and some family photos, as I recall. I don't remember the exact number, but there were possinly as many as 25 or 30. Almost all of the photographs were later made public, but at the time they were new to the reading public. No negatives were involved, only copies of photos and documents in the FBI files. The FBI made them available to the Dallas DA to aid in the prosecution of the Jack Ruby case. I correctly guessed this might happen and made every effort to cultivate people in the DA's office in the hope files available to me from 8pm on a Saturday night to 8am on Sunday morning, a 12 hour period when the employee did not think anyone would be in the DA's office. I hired an experienced photolab person to photocopy the file during the 12 hour period. I stayed with him during the entire copying process and he provided me with two copies of every photo and document in the file. I had planned to route each set of copies on different airlines from Dallas to my newspaper at the time, The Detroit Free Press in Detroit, Michigan but I was so sleep deprived that when I arrived at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport on Sunday at about 9am, I failed to make my instructions clear and both sets of photographs were routed on the same flight to Detroit. Because of weather conditions - or mechanical problems, I cant remember which - the plane was grounded in New Orleans for several hours. Panic developed at the Free Press, which wanted the photos in time for the first edition of the Monday paper, which had a 6pm deadline on Sunday. We knew that life magazine had access to some of the photos and would start appearing at newsstands about noon on Monday. We wanted to beat them to the punch. As the deadline approached, editors in Detroit asked me to describe the pictures and estimate the size of each photo that would be on page one. With this information, the paper set the type for the front page and made the page with holes for the pictures. The plane arrived in Detroit about 30 minutes before deadline on Sunday at the Detroit airport, which was about 30 minutes by car from the Free Press Building. My editor, Derrick Daniels, had motorcycles waiting on the tarmac to speed the photos to the newsroom, where he had photo editors and airbrush artists waiting to expedite the photos into the paper. In 1964, engraving processes were not as sophisticated as they later became and it was commonplace to airbrush photos with white liquid chalk to heighten the definition between dark and gray areas in photographs. In the haste to get the photos in the paper, an airbrusher covered the sniper scope (on the rifle Oswald was holding along with The Worker Paper) with liquid chalk. Our paper was indeed available several hours ahead of life. But when Life appeared on newsstands, its photo of Oswald with the Worker paper had a sniper scope. The Free Press photo did not. Armchair detectives around the world found this to be highly suspicious. But the Life and Free Press photos were both copies of the very same photograph. Because airbrushes use liquid chalk that can be scratched away with a fingernail, you could easily determine that the photographs were the same. The apparent discrepancies of the photos have been mentioned several times over the years in books and articles, creating a mystery where none really existed. Had anyone taken the time to visit the morgues (libraries) of the two publications, they could have seen that the photos were the same. Sincerely, Gene Roberts

Peter Cimino, Apt 7 403 E. Tenth Street, Dallas, Texas advised SA’s Henry J. Oliver and David H. Barry that on November 22, 1963 he was residing at 405 E. Tenth Street in an apartment with his wife. On November 22, 1963 he and his wife had lunch together in a cafe in this neighborhood, and he believes just after he had lunch and was leaving the cafe he heard that President Kennedy had been shot. He and his wife then walked from the cafe to his apartment. When he got home, his brother, Frank Cimino, told him that an officer had been shot in front of their residence Peter Cimino advised he had not heard any shots nor had he seen any of the shooting and stated he could not furnish any information regarding the shooting of President Kennedy. He also advised that he had never heard of Jack Ruby or Lee Oswald and could not furnish any information regarding these persons. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10408&relPageId=422 I think the sports star Pete Cimino is a different person, when he scored 114 points for Bristoe High School, on January 22, 1960, he was living in, or near Bristol, Pennsylvania, There are no dallas newspaper stories, citing him as local boy hits the big leagues et cetera; so I believe it is a different person altogether. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/ciminpe01.shtml There isn't any valid reason, in my mind, as to why this person wasn't given a polygraph test and the same nitrate test, they gave Oswald, even though nitrate tests are a thing of the past now, they weren't in 1963. I mean Gene Roberts, was a very credible witness, for the Dallas police to not act on his statements, reeks of "we've got our man on both counts." I bolded the address, note initially, the address is 403 E. Tenth Street, then 405 E. Tenth Street, I suppose they had more than one apartment. Although he references his "apartment," duplexes were in vogue back then...... I also can't help but notice that the above address is not too far from 8th Street, on which street, the "estate" Harry Olsen was guarding was said to be. The estate, ostensibly belonged to a woman who was related to Dallas Police Officer Bill Swafford...... I definitely do not plan on just letting this drop without some follow-up, the same as some other threads I have posted lately.......

Don't Know if its connected, But the potential is there. George Hunter White obviously, is a person of more than passing interest, CIA "projects" are more of the same. One of the more esoteric Warren Commission documents are portions of CD's 1516 and 1546, these documents reference, what is to myself a odd set of circumstances involving Marina Oswald, Ruth Paine and a person who I believe very strongly is one of those "intentionally misspelled names," in this case perhaps two different spellings. Walter Carl Neuson, aka Walter Carl Neunson. I chanced upon his name while working on an index of Warren Commission documents, in this case CD 1516 http://www.maryferre...911&relPageId=4 As you can see the Warren Commission Document title spells his name Neuson, but when you read the actual document, it is spelled Neunson; obviously that in itself, doesen't have significance, but it does if there is an underlying area that is being muted. Adding to the strange atmosphere of all of this is the fact that an HSCA Administrative File has the following passage ADMIN FOLDER-X6: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, CIA REPORTS LHO pg 49 Found in: FBI - HSCA Administrative Folders NOTE Classified "Secret as this refers-to-Project Hunter which is so classified by CIA Neunson an SI subject of Newark told Ruth Paine some time after the assassination that his son Edward met RIF#: 124-10369-10063 (10/19/67) FBI#: 62-117290-ADMIN FOLDER-X6 http://www.maryferre...17&relPageId=49 The mary ferrell database has this entry NEUNSON, WALTER CARL Sources: CD 1516; CD 1546, pp. 220-249 Mary's Comments: He wrote letter to Ruth Paine 11/28/63 offering Marina Oswald a home in New Jersey; claimed his son, Edward, had met Marina; Marina remembered young man named Edward in Leningrad November 7 or 8, 1960. I will forewarn anyone who has the inclination to dig into this obscurity, that the subject matter encompasses a wide swath of names and places, and there is the obvious reminder of a slip-up Marina made when she was interviewed at one time regarding her husband when she got a little confused and started reciting the history of Robert Edward Webster and the Rand Corporation, instead of Lee Harvey Oswald, who, as far as the historical record goes had never had one iota of association with the RAND corporation, at least not in official documents I am aware of. But don't take my word for any of the latter, you can read it for yourself courtesy of John Armstrong. See Harvey and Lee pages 256-259 there you will find all sorts of interesting Marina tales, these I personally are part of the real Marina Oswald account of what was really going on in Mother Russia, that the Warren Commission, and the HSCA for that matter, was not too excited about jumping into. more Marina and Ambassador to Afghanistan Christopher Bird -RAND Corporation Robert Edward Webster See http://www.maryferre....do?docId=16791 There are a myriad of documents [62 actually] at NARA under the subject HUNTER REPORT http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/1609/jfksnew.txt when searching NARA under "PROJECT HUNTER" there is only one hit 104-10438-10067 MEMO:PROJECT HUNTER REPORT #142 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=8261 ......references Boris Waldemar Karapitnitzsky with aliases with the subject line reading ERROR -- COULD NOT LOCATE SUBJECT TERM! It would not be out of the question to wonder if ALL of the headings under Hunter Report originally read "PROJECT HUNTER" It would be very helpful to getting to a clearer picture of what was really going on "Back in The U.S.S.R," is convincing Messr. Armstrong to publish an "English" interview of the Zieger's that was conducted by Ignacio Zuleta circa 1995.... And I say that with all due respect for John...... The time for erasing the speedbumps has arrived.

Why I Never Believed Oswald Killed Officer Tippit http://www.maryferre...51&relPageId=79 FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 62 12/4/63 GENE ROBERTS, 1657 Nob Hill Street, Dallas, Texas, WHitehall6-4822 advised on November 22, 1963 at approximately 1:05 P.M., he was sitting in the Beckley Club drinking coffee. He said the lady that owned the cafe had a radio on the counter and that they were listening to reports of the assassination of the President. A white female and male were sitting at the back of the cafe and walked to the front, whereupon the white male asked "What's going on?" Mr. ROBERTS stated that the President had been shot and the unknown white male stated that this was the best news he had heard. The white female with him said he should not have said that. Mr. Roberts advised that the cafe owner also heard this comment. Mr. Roberts advised that the white male was about 20 to 25, appeared to be of Cuban or Puerto Rican or foreign extraction, 5'10" to 5'11," dark complexion and dark hair. He advised the white female was about 18 to 20, 5'2" to 5'3" slender build, dark hair. Mr. Roberts advised he finished his coffee and then drove down past the area where Officer Tippit was shot and noticed a number of squad cars in the area. He said he asked some woman nearby what had happened and they told him that a police officer had been shot and the body had been removed. At this time Roberts stated he observed the same white male and female from the cafe walk into a house directly across the street from where Officer Tippit had been shot and enter a side door. He said this was about 405 E. 10th Street. He said the white male was wearing a light green cloth jacket with leather patches on his elbows when he entered the house and had the same jacket on when he came out alone about two minutes later. He said he was straightening the jacket as if he had something hidden inside. He said the white male kept looking back and forth over his shoulder and never inquired of any police officers what had taken place. Roberts advised that he thought this was quite unusual and notified a police sergeant on the scene about this individual He advised the police sergeant told him that the man did not fit the description of the person that had shot Officer Tippit. On 12/3/63 at Dallas, Texas File DL 89-43 By Special Agent Robert E. Basham and James J Ward:jj Date dictated 12/4/63 Next page Mr. Roberts advised that he had numerous friends on the police department and city council and he got in touch with some of them and arrangements were made for him to see Detective Joe R. Cody which he did shortly thereafter. He said he and Cody went to the area of 405A E. 10th Street, Dallas, Texas, which Detective Cody determined was occupied by a Mr. and Mrs. PETER CIMINO. He said he made this determination through checking the mailbox and cars parked in the area. He advised that he thought that the sergeant at the scene should have arrested this man and found out who he was since he did act very suspicious as far as he was concerned. Roberts advised that since the above he had heard a few rumors and wondered whether or not they had been checked out. He said that he learned from a Constable T. A. Vines, offices in Oak Cliff Court House, Beckley and 12th Street that the woman was the night manager of the Dobbs House, Beckley and Colorado, allegedly has claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby used to come into her restaurant two or three times a week during the early morning hours. He said he further heard that Lee Harvey Oswald had purchased his bullets for the rifle he was using from Ray's Gun Shop on Singleton Blvd. http://www.maryferre...51&relPageId=80 Two witnesses to the officer's murder were Mrs. Aquilla Clemons and Frank Wright, both lived on Tenth Street. Mrs. Clemons stated, "I saw two men near the policeman's car just before the shots. The man with the gun was short and chunky, kind of heavy build, wearing khaki and a white short," a description fitting Ruby, "the second man was thin and tall." "The chunky man with the gun ran off in one direction, the second man in another." Mr. Wright heard the shots in his front room, he said, "Stepping out my front door I caught sight of Officer Tippit in time to see him roll over then lie still. I saw a man of medium height wearing a long coat that ended just above his hands, he ran around the police car fast as he could and jumped in a little old gray coupe, he drove away very fast." Within three minutes radio cars and an ambulance arrived. Four empty casings were found on the ground ejected from an automatic pistol. Sgt. Gerald Hill, an officer with many years of army experience and police work behind him recognized that the shells were ejected from an automatic pistol, he radioed this information immediately to headquarters. At the same time he ordered Office J.M. Poe to mark the casings with his initials to record the chain of evidence. Another patrol officer radioed in, "I have an eyeball witness to the suspect in the shooting, he's a white male armed with a dark finish automatic pistol." When arrested only minutes later in a theater Oswald carried a revolver which does not eject its shells. The persons full name was Eugene Leslie Roberts DMN 3/14/64 Visiting Reporters See Guilty Verdict Gene Roberts Detroit Free Press: “I look for 25 to 35 years There was a period when I thought Ruby might do better but then the state had about eight witnesses that changed my mind” Add the duality of Oswald's wallet's, recovered at the Tippit shooting scene; how many were there? possibly as many as four. The fact that the shells recovered at the scene of the Tippit shooting would never have been admissible in a court of law, due to the fact that there was not even a clear chain of evidentiary possession, that the Dallas Police could not even factually state that the shells recovered from Oswald's revolver were identical with the shells recovered from the Tippit crime scene, the time difference factually established, that proves the official time of Officer Tippit's death is a complete sham add up to one big zero in making Oswald the patsy in the Tippit murder. PS For those [wishful] thinkers that would be pleasantly surprised to learn Gene Roberts was some sort of person of dubious character, you might want to read the following. http://en.wikipedia....28journalist%29 For myself, persons like Gene Roberts and those like him, serve as an inspiration for researchers, for the simple reason that he did the right thing, he spoke up for the truth, when it wasn't what some people wanted to hear, and not only survived, but made a life for himself, without compromising who he was.

According to this report there's a motorcylce officer named W. G. Lumpkin riding in the motorcade. Is this Lumpkin related to G. L. Lumpkin, the driver of the Pilot Car? BK I can't say whether the two were related, W. G. "Bill" Lumpkin, apparently was interviewed by Larry Sneed, No More Silence, which seems to be McAdams source......But there are some interesting aspects to all of this...... http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/history/the_deed/Sneed/Lumpkin.html W. G. “Bill” Lumpkin Solo Motorcycle Officer Dallas Police Department “We were going fast, very fast! I’m going to say we might have hit speeds up to 80–85 M.P.H. on Stemmons… I saw the limousine behind us, and I noticed this Secret Service man hanging on the back of it with his coat hanging, and I was amazed that he could hang on… When we got to Hines, there was a railroad track, and I know that I got airborne… I knew that if I went down I’d probably get run over…” Born and raised in Avery, Texas, Bill Lumpkin worked at General Dynamics as an aircraft electrician after serving a hitch in the military. He joined the Dallas Police Department in 1953 and was assigned as one of the lead motorcycle officers in the Kennedy motorcade. ***** I don’t know what time we went to work that day. I remember having a detail with all the squads of the motor jockeys together, and we were all given our assignments. We knew the route and where we were going and approximately how long we were going to be. We were told what to do in case things happened, what hospital to go to if an emergency came up. That would be the only time we would use the siren. I was one of the people that led the parade along with Leon Gray, Ellis, and McBride. There were quite a few of us in the parade, but some of the motor jockeys weren’t assigned to the parade. Some of them were sent to stand-by stations. It wasn’t considered necessarily an honor; you just did what they told you. I escorted a lot of parades, so it was just an assignment. Probably if I hadn’t been in the parade, my feelings would have been hurt. But we used to have a lot of parades in town and there had been times when other jockeys had gone out of town on assignments, and I’d stayed in to lead a parade because I had done it so many times. I was used to doing it. There was nothing special about that particular morning. We spit and polished our equipment and our uniforms and were told to assemble at Love Field. There were a lot of folks there, a lot of folks! We had no problems with the parade except one time, I believe, the President got out of the car on Lemmon. The Secret Service got on the back end and proceeded again. When you lead a parade, you limit your speed to whatever speed they want to go. And so we really had to keep our eye on his vehicle by turning around and looking because he was slowing down. My job in leading the parade was to make sure the crowd was back out of the street in front, and then, of course, you alert the officers up on the parade route that the parade is behind you. But the main thing is, when you’re four abreast like that, you keep the street clear for the parade. You look back and try to be sure that the parade is in a group, that it hadn’t straggled out. And you can slow them down for that. But nothing stands out. It was just a presidential motorcade. We were in front of the President’s car when the shooting took place. We were stopped on Elm Street between Houston street and the Triple Underpass. There were only three of us at the time. McBride had already gone over to Stemmons to notify them that we were getting ready to come through since they were going to close Stemmons northbound. Sergeant Ellis had asked him to go on up and notify them that we were en route. But we had turned off of Main Street onto Houston for one block, then over to Elm Street, then turned back left, and we were stopped at the time before we heard the shots. When the shots occurred, I thought it was a motorcycle backfiring. The motors were running really hot because we had been going slowly for so long. They would have a tendency to backfire when they were running hot, and running slow for a long period would cause them to run hot. I heard three distinct bangs with none of them being together or anything like that. There’s been conflicting reports where all the noise came from. From where I was it was behind me. I’ve heard people say a lot of different things over the years, but when you have buildings and other obstructions, you’re going to have an echo factor and different opinions. The shots came from behind where I was and, as I mentioned, I thought it was a motorcycle backfiring at first, till I turned back and saw the commotion in the President’s convertible. I wasn’t sure at the time what it was, but it later turned out that it was his wife on the back. There was no problem seeing the car, but at the time, I jut saw a figure. Then Chaney rode up to Curry and probably told him that the President had been shot. We were still stopped at that time, and then Chief Curry comes on and says, “Let’s go boys!” I’m not sure that there was anything said other than that and, of course, we headed for Parkland because we knew in case something happened, that was where we were supposed to go. We went under the Triple Underpass and took the entrance ramp to Stemmons Freeway. At that time, Sergeant Ellis stopped there at Stemmons. Leon Gray, Chaney, and myself escorted the parade on to Parkland Hospital by way of Stemmons to Industrial, Industrial to Hines, Hines to the entrance into the back of Parkland. We were going very, very fast! I’m going to say we might have hit speeds up to 80–85 M.P.H. on Stemmons. We were going just as fast as we could get the car to go. I saw the limousine behind us, and I noticed this Secret Service man hanging on the back of it with his coat hanging, and I was amazed that he could hang on. When we got to Hines, there was a railroad track, and I know that I got airborne. I’m sure that I was out front and Gray and Chaney behind me. More than likely they got airborne, too. You didn’t have a lot of space over on the other end, and when you land to turn, I knew that if I went down I’d probably get run over. But you train and you know that you can drag your footstand without going over as long as you don’t go over too far. Oh, you’re going to get some sparks and some noise when you go over that far, but unless you get on some oil or sand or something like that, you can stay up. But it was a fast ride! Nothing much goes through your mind at a time like that. You know that you’ve got a job to do, and you want to do your job well. When we came off of Stemmons, we were supposed to turn into Market Hall. Sergeant Striegel and some other officers were there, including some other jockeys, and he came out into the street waving because we were going too fast and that we were supposed to pull in there. I guess he hadn’t heard that the President had been shot, and you have to worry about him not getting too far out into the street. But you’re concerned with just doing your job when something like this happens. After it’s over, then you have time to think about it. When we turned into the hospital, there was only a certain amount of parking space back there. Since I was in the lead, I stopped to get off my motor to make sure that cars that didn’t belong there didn’t come in because I was in a better position to react. So I stopped probably a couple hundred feet from the emergency entrance. When the last cars that I knew and the last jockeys came in, I stopped traffic. We had to get all that secured. I was the only one right then. Later some people came up to help me, but it wasn’t any big problem then. You just stepped out and stopped them. That was the main thing you wanted to do was to just get more cars in there so you could maneuver the other vehicles. I was probably still in the process of just getting off my motor when the limousine came by. I saw the President slumped down, and I saw Lyndon Johnson. Johnson was like a ghost; I thought he was shot. He came by after the President riding in a different vehicle, if I remember right. His face was familiar to me because I had had some problems with him in the past back when he was running the year Kennedy got the nomination. Leon Gray, at that time, was my partner. Our assignment was that we were to ride on each side of his vehicle for his protection to keep people from rushing it. On this occasion, it was already past our time to get off, but we had to go ahead and finish the escort. Johnson didn’t have any good things to say about motor jockeys, and he told his driver to force Gray back to the side of his car, which he did. He forced Gray into the curb on a bridge on Zang and nearly caused him to wreck. I had some words with his driver, so I guess that’s why I knew Johnson pretty well. Anyway, I didn’t see much of the President other than he was just slumped down and that he had been shot, and that his brains had been blown out. I must have seen that somewhere along the way. I know they kept wanting to know whether Kennedy was going to make his speech at the Market Hall, and finally this three-wheel officer came on and told them that his brains were blown out, and he wasn’t going to be there, and this kept coming over the radio: “Well, is he going to be able to make the speech?” We knew that he was dead. We stayed out at Parkland for a long time, and then they sent us downtown to guard Oswald. We were on the third floor where they had him. There were quite a few of us up there and, of course, there were newspaper reporters and cameramen from all over. The scene up there was wild! Absolutely wild! Forcefully, you had to keep them back. It was hysteria! Just asking them to stay back wouldn’t do. They weren’t responding! I can remember the cameras back then had big battery packs that looked like they weighted eighty or ninety pounds. I imagine they probably weighed a lot less than that, but they were big things, and their TV cameras were monstrous. Anyway, I can remember this guy that must have weighed over four hundred pounds who wouldn’t stay back, and finally, I just had to put my fist into his stomach because I weighed only abut 160. Manners were a thing of the past, or courtesy. You could ask our own people to do something and they would try to cooperate with you. In fact, we knew quite a few of them personally. But the national people, a lot of them just didn’t want to do what you asked them to do. They decided that they knew how close they could get a lot better than you did. But there was such a rush and, I guess, everybody wanted a story. I’ve been involved in escorts for Elvis Presley and the Beatles, and those were wild. But the crowds were young. These were adult people that you expect more out of. I saw Oswald a few times. He was screaming and hollering and all this. He was like a wild man claiming his innocence. I don’t remember what all he was saying, but I think he was talking about conspiracy. They didn’t move him any more than they had to, I’m sure, but they brought him out of Captain Fritz’s office, Homicide Division, and down a private elevator where I think they took him down to the lineups or details. I think I got home around midnight that night as we stayed fairly late till they got some of the photographers out. I was off duty the next day because I had Saturdays and Sundays off then. Fortunately I wasn’t there when Oswald was killed. That was an hellacious mistake! It should never have happened even though I can see how it did happen. To me, that was a lot worse to Dallas than the President being killed. I knew Jack Ruby, and I know that a lot of officers knew him. He owned nightclubs, and if you were in his place you didn’t have to worry about the establishment. If you wanted to arrest somebody, you did not fight the establishment; you only had to worry about the person you were arresting. I had made some arrests up in his places and knew that you didn’t have to worry about him if you were given a hard time by his enticing the crowd of people in his club not to let them arrest this person; in other words, trying to turn the crowd against you. He liked officers. I think he appreciated the job that they did, so I can see how he could have gotten down there and shot Oswald. But I didn’t know him that well and didn’t know that much about him. I’d been in the Vegas Club out on Oak Lawn and the Carousel downtown, but I didn’t drink, so I didn’t go into those type places other than to make arrests or on some police matter. Like I’ve said, City Hall was a mess that weekend, which definitely contributed to what happened to Oswald. Jesse Curry probably was responsible for that, but he had bosses, too, and any chief has a certain amount of politics to play. I’m just speculating, though, because I was just a patrolman. They gave me a job to do and I did it. But City Hall belonged to the public, and I guess they were trying to let the public have as much freedom as they could. Personally, I’d like to have seen the press cleared out, but I do know that you have to let the press know. It would have been a whole lot easier if we could have just stood at the door and not let anybody in and had all the fighting there instead of having this whole hallway full of people pushing and shoving and trying to get room for more. I think the Dallas Police Department handled it about as well as any department would have. Regardless of where it happened, you’re going to have to let the press have access, and then you have to let more in than you really like. But I think Dallas did as well as anybody would have and maybe better than a lot. Looking back, the motorcycle patrolmen were an independent bunch back then. When I went into the Motorcycle Division, you were voted on before you got in. If the other jockeys thought you had an attitude that they thought was going to create problems, you wouldn’t get on motors. That way the people knew you. You had to have a vote of confidence for you to get on. And you had good and bad motor jockeys just like you have in anything else. But it was like a club, and we were real close. I don’t think that closeness prevailed in Radio Patrol. I know we had some jockeys that would kind of brag to the Radio Patrol about how great it was, and I chewed a lot of them out for that because, if you’ve got something good going, if you’re going pretty smooth, don’t rock the boat and brag to somebody else that you’ve got it made a whole lot better than them. But we’re like kinfolks. Some of the new motor jockeys I don’t know, but I still have coffee with some of the older ones today. A couple of asides… Officer J.D. Tippit and I were from the same Red River County up in Northwest Texas. I knew him, but I never worked with him. Tippit was in Radio Patrol, and since I stayed on Radio Patrol only about nine months and then went to Traffic Division, I never worked with him. I went on a three-wheeler then, from there to solo, and I knew a lot of these people because we didn’t have substations back then when I went to work, so we all met at the same place. But you’d just speak to them and that was it. Some of them you knew better than others. Some of us were loudmouths, and some were pretty quiet. Tippit was fairly quiet. When I heard that Tippit had been shot, we had a traffic hit and run investigator named Tippitt, and I thought that’s who it was that got shot. But you just wonder how he got shot because he was a pretty strong guy. I also knew Mary Moorman. She and McBride went to school together, I believe it was. That’s how I met her, and she was down there with another lady named Jean Hill, so I knew them both. Mary took a picture of me sitting on my motorcycle there in front of the Triple Underpass just before Kennedy arrived. Then she took a picture of Kennedy and received a cash settlement for quite a bit of money. I’ve seen her a number of times since then. She gave me the Polaroid picture of me straddling this motorcycle, but I don’t know where it is now. I knew where it was for a long time, and some years ago, somebody wanted to look at it, and now it’s misplaced. I’ve been asked about that picture a number of times, but I just remember it had me being on a motorcycle. It didn’t show anything suspicious that I recall. I didn’t pay that much attention to it since I don’t care much about getting my picture taken. I retired in 1981 after twenty-seven and a half years on the department. When I retired, another man and I had a business selling and repairing lawn mowers, chain saws, garden tractors, and tillers. We sold that business, and now I’m helping raise grandchildren. Bill Lumpkin now works on a part-time basis as a bailiff for the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department and lives with his wife in Mesquite, Texas. Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - May 10, 2009 Deceased Name: Lumpkin , Dr. Forrest Edward Lumpkin, Dr. Forrest Edward The life of Dr. Forrest Edward Lumpkin, Jr. ended on Tuesday May 5, 2009 as his body, but not his unquenchable spirit, failed him. Forrest was born on November 5, 1921 in Kaufman, TX at the house of his grandfather, Dr. James Walter Park, Sr., where his mother had also been born 28 years earlier. Young Forrest grew up in Terrell, TX and, in 1939, graduated from Terrell High School, as had his father. Forrest obtained his undergraduate education from the Rice Institute and the University of Texas obtaining a bachelor's degree from the latter in 1942. While a student at Texas he was an active member of the Kappa Alpha fraternity and remained close with many of his KA brothers for all his life. After college, Forrest studied medicine at Thomas Jefferson Medical School in Philadelphia. After completing his internship at Jefferson, Forrest served his country as a medical officer in the US Army spending time overseas at the US Army hospital in Okinawa. After completing military service, Forrest entered and completed a surgical residency at Parkland Hospital in Dallas. He then opened private practice in Dallas as a general surgeon. After years of life as a bachelor, Forrest settled down and married Katherine Barbee Gaines, known as Kay, on August 5, 1961. Forrest and Kay were blessed by a son, Forrest III, on August 22, 1963. Before baby Forrest turned one, the elder Forrest took the family to Houston for a year to continue his medical training. He obtained a second specialization in peripheral vascular surgery in July of 1965 and then returned with his small family to Dallas in July where he again resumed his private practice. The family almost doubled in size when Forrest and Kay were again blessed with children, twin daughters, Katherine Pendleton Gaines Lumpkin and Vera Elizabeth Park Lumpkin, on December 3, 1966. Forrest, Kay, Forrest III, and the twins, known as Kathy and Libby, moved from North Dallas to Highland Park in 1969. Forrest enjoyed hunting, racquetball, tennis, skiing, swimming, travel, and coin and stamp collecting. He was an active member of Highland Park United Methodist Church and regularly attended its Wesleyan Fellowship Sunday School class. He was a fellow of the American College of Surgeons. He was a member of the Dallas County Medical Association, the Texas Medical Association, the American Medical Association, and the Dallas County Society of General Surgeons. He was active in the YMCA and served for years on the Board of Directors for the Dallas YMCA's Camp Grady Spruce. He retired from active medical practice at Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas in 1993, but remained involved in the field by regularly attending Presbyterian's Tumor Board. After retirement he indulged his passion for travel and ventured to Alaska, Russia, China -- including Hong Kong, India, the Mediterranean, Brazil, Mexico, and elsewhere. Forrest is survived by his three children: Forrest III, Elizabeth Lumpkin Williams, and Katherine Lumpkin Escoe, by the spouses of his children: respectively, the former Suzanne Sawyer, Steven Williams, and Gene Escoe, and by six young granddaughters. Forrest was preceded in death by his parents, Forrest Edward Lumpkin, Sr. and Vera Park Lumpkin and by his wife Kay. Visitation will be held Sunday, May 10 from 4 to 6 at the Restland funeral home. A memorial service celebrating Forrest's life will be held Monday, May 11 at 10 o'clock in the morning in the Sanctuary at Highland Park United Methodist Church. In lieu of flowers, memorials can be made to the Vera and Forrest Lumpkin Surgical Lectureship, UT Southwestern, PO Box 910888, Dallas, Texas 75391-0888. Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - May 20, 2003 Deceased Name: LUMPKIN LARRY LUMPKIN, LARRY, 70. a retired realtor and owner of Larry LUMPKIN, LARRY, 70, a retired realtor and owner of Larry Lumpkin Realtors in Oak Cliff for many years. A graduate of Sweeney High School and a graduate of the class of '54 Texas A & M., spent 9 years in the U. S. Army with two tours in Germany. He then worked with Neiman Marcus and Helen Corbitt, and then the food industry before becoming a realtor. Survivors include his son and daughter in law; Wayne and Mitzy Lumpkin of Dallas and brother John Houston of Duncanville, and a number of cousins. Graveside services and interment will be at 11 A.M. Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at Wheatland Cemetery in Dallas, Texas with Rev. Jack D. McNabb officiating. The family will receive friends from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Tuesday at the funeral home. West / Hurtt Funeral Home 217 S. Hampton Road DeSoto (972) 223-6314 www.legacy.com Miami Herald, The (FL) - October 6, 1987 Deceased Name: THOMAS LUMPKIN , EX-GULF OIL VICE PRESIDENT Thomas D. Lumpkin, an attorney and retired president of Gulf Oil Co.'s Latin American division, died Sunday of liver disease. He was 73. The Amarillo, Texas , native spent much of his career in the oil business, and much of that time in Latin America and England. He had lived in Coral Gables, where Gulf's Latin American headquarters are based, since becoming vice president of the division in 1969. Business wasn't Mr. Lumpkin's only concern. "He was very active here in Miami," said his son, Tom II. Mr. Lumpkin served on a number of community boards, including the Florida International University Foundation, WPBT-TV, Ransom Everglades School and the Fairchild Tropical Garden. The son of an attorney, Mr. Lumpkin graduated from the University of Texas with a law degree in 1936. He joined the legal department of Phillips Petroleum the following year. With the outbreak of World War II, he became a special agent for the FBI and was assigned to Colombia and Venezuela. For part of the war, he worked as a legal attache in embassies in Bogota and Caracas. Mr. Lumpkin went with Gulf in 1948. He began in industrial relations and worked his way into management. He became a world- wide coordinator for exploration and production in 1966. In 1971, he was named president of the Latin division. Mr. Lumpkin spent many of his last years with Gulf negotiating buyouts with Latin American countries, his son said. In the early 1970s, several nations nationalized the holdings of U.S. companies within their boundaries, he said. Mr. Lumpkin's role was to see to it that Gulf was fairly paid for those holdings. He retired from Gulf in 1976. In recent years, Mr. Lumpkin has been associated with the Miami law firm of Valdes-Fauli, Cobb and Petrey, P.A. In addition to Tom II, Mr. Lumpkin's survivors include his wife, Elizabeth; and a second son, Hugh. Services will be at 3 p.m. today, at the Van Orsdel Coral Gables Chapel. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to a charity of choice. George Lonnie. Lumpkin (RIP July 15, 1994 Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - July 18, 1994 Deceased Name: Services today for George Lumpkin , 40-year member of Dallas police force Retired Dallas police Capt. George Lumpkin, 84, died Friday of cancer. Services will be at 4 p.m. Monday at Restland Memorial Chapel in Dallas. Mr. Lumpkin served for 40 years in the Police Department and played a significant role in the investigation of President John F. Kennedy's assassination, his family said. "Dad was in the lead car of the motorcade," said his daughter, Maureen Stone. "He was also one of the first to reach the hospital when Kennedy was shot." He also served 39 months in the Army during World War II, receiving the Bronze Star for taking part the capture of 30 prisoners, his daughter said. "He captured them without killing them," Mrs. Stone said. "My father believed in not using guns unless necessary." He retired as a colonel from the Army Reserves and was awarded the Legion of Merit for his service as commandant of the Dallas Area Army Reserve School. Other survivors include his wife, Katherine Lumpkin; son Michael Lumpkin of Dallas; sister Mildred Bunch of Arlington; six grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren. Can you find what makes the following obituary intriguing? DMN 09-10-1975 Mrs. Martha Leone Baker, 4223 Overlook Dr. survived by daughter, Mrs Gena Courtner, brother Ray Swindle, Fort Worth; sisters Jane Swindle, Inez Slaughter, Dallas, Fern Lumpkin, Mesquite, Thelma Gardner, Terrell; grandchildren: Leslie Baker, Cherie Cason, both of Dallas; great grandchild; Julie Cason Services 11:00 a.m. Thursday ANDERSON-CLAYTON CHAPEL Rev. Larry Henry officiating. Internment Grove Hill an employee of Mercy Lee Manufacturing Company, for 30 years Cheers

Thanks for the info, talk about truth being stranger than fiction; I felt that the most intriguing passages in Longton's article dealt with the Foreign Policy Research Institute and the Catherwood Foundation; and the possibility that The Collective by LHO was used a source by Guy Pauken. And "Paisley's yacht "contained highly classified communications gear capable of communicating via satellites linked to the [top secret] CIA ground station at Pine Gap, Australia." Again, thanks.

Someone named Marvin Longton wrote an article about John Paisley, Guy Pauker, the Catherwood Foundation and the Foreign Policy Research Institute, the article appeared in the Old Continuing Inquiry which pretty much predates the 3rd and 4th Decade, Dealey Plaza Echo and the Kennedy Assassination Chronicles. Although I do not agree with some of what he wrote, I believe he raised enough points about the convergence, for lack of a better word, of all the intertwining relationships, that it deserves another look.... The only problem is that my copy does not have the footnotes..... I can remedy that in the near future, but for the time being I am posting the article, sans footnotes. I am sure it will be met with a certain amount of indifference, but there are a select few who will benefit from it...... April 24, 1981 The Continuing Inquiry Nugan Hand/Paisley/Oswald Link? By Marvin Longton U.S. strategy in Southeast Asia in the 1960's grew out of a series of "scholarly" reports of which the 1959 Draper Report was one. One of the annexes to the Draper Report was authored the previous year by the Foreign Policy Research Institute (FPRI) of the University of Pennsylvania. The FPRI, for its part, was funded by the Catherwood Foundation of Bryn Mawr,Pennsylvania. [1] Funded by oil-rich socialite Cummins Catherwood, the foundation's other patrons were reported to include additional oil millionaires such as J. Howard Pew of Sunoco who had been financially backing fascistic organizations since the 1930's. [2] The Catherwood Foundation was also a conduit for CIA money. [3] The FPRI was advised in its report by Rand Corporation employee Guy Pauker who played a key role in developing the scenario for the 1965 general's coup in Indonesia. [4] Years later Pauker turns up as a representative of a curious international bank, Nugan Hand, which, "intersected with the world of drugs, money laundering and arms traffic." [5] It also appeared to be a CIA conduit. Although Nugan Hand was registered in the Cayman Islands, it was also a creation of two Australian based financial adventurers Michael Hand and Frank Nugan. Hand, an American, had worked for Air-America and had been assigned to one of the CIA's Phoenix assassination squads in Vietnam. [6] Later, the man who ran the Phoenix program, William Colby, became Nugan Hand's lawyer. When Frank Nugan was found shot to death on January 27, 1980 Australian police found William Colby's buiness card in his wallet. Colby had been introduced to Frank Nugan by Walter McDonald, of Annapolis, Maryland, a former chief petroleum expert for the CIA. McDonald had met Nugan through Guy Pauker. [7] McDonald was also a close friend of John Paisley, the CIA expert on the Soviet military who disappeared from his yacht in 1978. A badly decomposed body with a gunshot wound was later retrieved from the water and identified as Paisley. Although Paisley's wife, MaryAnn, doubted that the body was that of her husband, the FBI said it was and concluded that there was "no credible evidence" to show that the cause of death was anything but suicide. [8] So we have here: funds for Guy Pauker's employer, Foreign Policy Research Foundation coming from the Catherwood Foundation; plus Pauker's being connected enough so that he can introduce an important Australian banker, Frank Nugan, to a chief petroleum expert for the CIA and close friend of John Paisley, Walter McDonald, who, in turn, introduces Nugan to William Colby. Consider these facts in relation to the following: that one of the Catherwood Foundation's favorite religious charities was the Russian Orthodox Church, and St. Nicholas Parish in Dallas that George DeMohrenschildt attended, and the hub of the anti-Communist Russian emigre community through which DeMohrenschildt shepherded Lee and Marina Oswald. [9] Nothing really unexpected here: the same CIA conduit which supported a "think tank's" anti-Communist Indonesian scenario, also sends money to the anti-Communist White Russians in Dallas. However it is interesting enough to go a little further; keeping in mind Mae Brussell's previous piece on Lee Oswald in the Soviet Union: Yuri Nosenko, the missing link?" [10] In Minsk Lee Oswald worked for the Belorussian Radio and Television Factory. [11] Lee wrote up an intelligence report about this work place. [12] When he returned to the U.S., he had it typed up and turned a copy over to George DeMohrenschildt. [13] It is my belief that DeMohrenschildt passed it on upstairs where it eventually reached John Paisley. Paisley would be the logical person to receive it, because beside being an expert on the USSR he was a radio man. During the Second World War Paisley obtained Federal Communications Commission radio and radio telephone licenses and after the war he worked as a radio operator for the U.N. [14] But most significantly, in 1963 he completed his master's degree with an analysis of the Soviet electrical industry. [15] I think he probably used Lee's report as part of his research for his thesis. In addition Paisley was a pioneer in planning the U-2, the spy plane to which Oswald had been linked. [16] If Mae Brussell's suggestion is correct that Yuri Nosenko was Lee Oswald's control in the USSR and that he got him his job in Minsk, it is also significant that Paisley and Nosenko became friends in the U.S. [17] These speculations about Paisley made me interested when The Continuing Inquiry ran the piece linking Paisley's suicide with the troubles of the clearly CIA connected Nugan-Hand bank. [18] Although the only connection the reporter makes is that "shortly" after Paisley disappeared from his yacht in September, 1978 his close friend Walt McDonald became a consultant to the bank. (Actually, it was almost a year later. McDonald became associated with Nugan Hand in July, 1979; on October 1, 1978, a corpse said to be Paisley's was fished from Chesapeake Bay. The bank got in trouble with the law in May, 1978.) True, Guy Pauker who knows Paisley's close friend McDonald works for the bank and may well have known Paisley. But the most interesting connection may be that Paisley's yacht "contained highly classified communications gear capable of communicating via satellites linked to the [top secret] CIA ground station at Pine Gap, Australia." [19] Paisley may have had some connection with Nugan Hand, just as he may have read Lee Oswald's report—The Collective"— on his work in Minsk. Who knows? [20] It is just that this strange mixture is so reminiscent of the allegation of Gary Underhill. Underhill, like Paisley, was a military expert and CIA man who was declared a suicide. He claimed he knew who killed John Kennedy. It was the Far Eastern branch of the CIA, he said, which was carrying on a lucrative racket in gun running, narcotics and other contraband, and manipulating political intrigue to serve its own ends. Kennedy found out about it and was going to take some action, and that was why he was shot, according to Underhill. Before he could enlarge on this to others beside a few friends he was found shot to death himself. I think that Underhill was aware of only part of the picture—but an extremely important part, and, as the revelations concerning Nugan Hand show, one that continues to this day. April 24, 1981 Robert It goes without saying that Philadelphia is more than a city of nominal interest in JFK lore, [JFK speech slated for Dec 1963], A William Caley of the Caley Foundation was also in that area, and he is someone who JFK researchers should be aware of. The Catherwood Foundation and Pew Foundation had some pretty deep pockets..... I think the article deserves, a look for posterity and research purposes. I am going to add the footnotes ASAP, if interest warrants it or not. I owe Mr Longton, that courtesy. Also for those who still believe the heart of the three tramps story has still not been adequately resolved, Charles Rodgers, an ONI veteran, who was also extremely knowledgeable about radio communications is alleged to have been affiliated with Operation Phoenix years after his parents murder. See The Man on the Grassy Knoll - John Craig & Philip A. Rogers - Avon - 1992

Placing Gordon Novel in Dallas in 1963 via an official document hasn't entered the equation yet, but apparently he was associated with Dallas circa 1975 see Memorandum Gordon Novel http://www.maryferre....do?docId=49060 Gordon Novel (104-10312-10026) Dallas, Texas (undated) http://www.maryferre....do?docId=48988 The latter is basically a shell of a document Deposition of Gordon Novel http://www.maryferre....do?docId=10082 You might want to get a cup of coffee, I believe the whole depo is some, almost 400 pages And it is a very interesting read, at the last page the depo still appears to be ongoing, leading me to think that it probably has a companion document...... If you are one of those who believes there are some shenanigans regarding Witt and Novel, you probably will have reason to feel your suspicions have some validity, from the sampling of the depo I have read See Novel's account of his "honeymoon"...lol http://www.maryferre...2&relPageId=384

well Steve, after a read, do let us know, the good stuff, barb, yes that is what i was thinking, kind of like borrowing, words to fit, perhaps...thanks..b I am pretty familiar with Mr Gatewood and the Decker biography. I would point out that my outlook regarding using books as a research tool is not to see how close the author gets to summing it all up re the assassination, but to take what is factual and cannot be refuted and integrate that information into a separate whole. My take on the book is that the segment, rather small that deals specifically with the assassination was rather disappointing to me, partially for the item mentioned regarding Harry Weatherford, he had a shotgun, and I cannot truly imagine that he fired a shot that day at Oswald at the time he was firing from the TSBD, mainly because I do not believe Oswald was firing from the 6th floor or anywhere else that day, rifle or otherwise, although even if someone was firing other than Oswald, I still am a skeptic on that claim. But I do find the document below odd in light of the matter. Oswald 201 File PIECE OF WOOD REMOVED FROM BOTTOM WINDOW SILL OF WINDOW AT TEXAS SCHOOL; http://www.maryferre....do?docId=96283 Personally I believe the books greatest appeal is the very laborious treatment Gatewood gives regarding the life of Decker and moreover the history of Dallas. Supplanted by Dallas Morning News articles to verify key claims. For instance that Decker was a 32nd or 33rd degree Mason; if your'e counting that makes an interesting list of those who were a 32nd or 33rd degree Masons. Mr. William McKenzie, a 33 degree Mason Sheriff Bill Decker a 33 degree Mason Abraham Zapruder a 32nd degree Mason J Edgar Hoover 33 degree Mason Skull and Bones personages obviously are not mentioned here, but I assume those who are interested know the basics. Some people might use that to advance the idea that the Kennedy Assassination was a Masonic plot, I would say simply that the information needs to be integrated into the whole body of evidence, beside the fact that if there had ever been a no holds barred investigation the Masonic issue would probably never have even mentioned [sort of like how the use of silencers is never mentioned as a possibility in those fabulous investigations of the Dealey Plaza crime scene. grins] Historical figures in Dallas, DeLois Green Herbert Noble, Benny Binion Bonnie Parker Clyde Barrow Buddy Walthers 1969 shooting death, are some of the other items worth knowing about I am particularly interested in the relationship between Bill Decker and W.O. Bankston, particularly with regards to automobiles. The fact that the book is a bio of Decker is the strong point of the book, it is truly a very good bio of Decker, my only criticism in that regard is that I believe the author is a little too partial towards his subject and doesen't maintain the impartiality towards the subject that makes truly timeless biographies. The Dallas History is worth the cost of the book itself, in that it provides a backdrop to the Kennedy Assassination that is somewhat comparable to the Dallas bio by Darwin Payne. The following document regarding John Benton Turns circa 1947, compliments some of the persons mentioned in Gatewood's book. Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Federal Bureau of Investigation/FBI - HSCA Subject Files/FBI - HSCA Subject Files, S - T/FBI - HSCA Subject File: John Benton Turns/ NARA Record Number: 124-10298-10157 NO TITLE, SUBJECTS: JBT, CRIME SURVEY, GAMBLING ACT LIST http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=81668 I guess the bottom line regarding the Decker bio is that, if you want to think the mob did it, then youv'e come to the right place.