Jim Phelps

What did Nixon do? We know Nixon was connected and he started the Op 40 and the whole Lets take Cuba back gang, and it was the biggest longest running CIA fiasco anyone has ever seen. The CIA was like the Keystone Cops in trying to kill Castro. Castro's protection was a lot better than the corrupt JFK protections. Castro's agents detected and shut down every attempt. Nixon was an insider for these projects from the beginning, so he could ask around and find out who done it. Ticky Dick was also smart enough not to make it public that he was going after the Crooks, but one studies what Nixon did, he did stuff to shut things down to an extent. Nixon was tied to going after Sarti in Mexico City and Sarti was killed in a hale of machine gun bullets, so one of the main shooter is dead. Nixon also went after the tobacco people and cut out all the Hollywood productions that were addicting kids to smoking with glamorous TV commercials. Nixon started the EPA to begin to address the multiple pollutant problems and track release levels. In general, the Nixon method soft peddled the protection issues. Warnings were slow to come on Cigarette packs, toothpastes were labeled poison due to fluoride. And there is enough fluoride in tube of toothpaste to kill a small child. But the bottom line is the Duke Grad. who broke into the schools office to fix his grades ended up fixing America so they could be exploited by addictive drugs and poisoned by low levels of fluoride in the water supplies. JFK in comparison, would have done a lot more to return people's liberty and shut down fluoridation that was originally designed to protect the Cuban sugar industry. JFK would tell the people of their plight because fluoride impacted their ability to process information easily, and he would have protected Americans health. Not only that, he booted the banking system's death grip on money used to exploit usury methods against Americans. JFK would have invested all of America in the Peace Dividend with Cuba and Russia, and the US would have good money flow, balance of trade, no wars for the profits of the Mil/Ind Networks crazy people like LeMay and his binge for smoking cigars and sociopathically flushing commodes. ============== Lots of good Photos http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/ ============== Mortimer Davis---his fortunes likely go to Bloomfield http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortimer_Davis === Mortimer Bloomfield--family lots of tobacco assets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Bloomfield ======= Bronfman Gang: http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/bios/Bronfman.html ========== http://www.whale.to/b/dopeinc.html ==========

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/settlement/depositions/colby.html Criminal Probe--Inside the Tobacco Deal---FrontLine ========== http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/cen-v025n017.p1204 Chem. Eng. News, 1947, 25 (17), pp 1204–1206 DOI: 10.1021/cen-v025n017.p1204 Publication Date: April 28, 1947 George H. Craig , biochemist previously with Killian Research Laboratories, and Eli Zinn , chemical engineer from Deutsch & Loonam, have joined the research staff of Commercial Solvents Corp., Terre Haute, Ind. Frank G. Colby , from Explosive Millares and Mayari Chemical Products, Havana, and Theodore G. Klose , from the University of Illinois, have joined the patent department staff of Commercial Solvents. =========== Louis Mortimer Bloomfield's Papers are still being hidden: http://somesecretsforyou.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-bloomfield-archives-should-be.html http://somesecretsforyou.blogspot.com/2010/07/more-permindex-documents.html ===================== What few people realize is what LHO and JVB had in store for Castro is what the tobacco companies do to all smokers: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/tobacco-firms-kept-quiet-on--polonium-role-in-cigarettes-907194.html The research article, led by Monique Muggli, from the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, says: "Philip Morris documents show the majority of the company's internal reports regarding PO-210 [Polonium 210] were not published. One manuscript believed by some Philip Morris scientists to be favourable to the tobacco industry was withheld from publication for fear of heightening public awareness of PO-210." It then quotes an internal document that says publication of that research, from 1978, "has the potential to wake a sleeping giant". Ms Muggli added that, while tobacco companies tried to obscure other health controversies, their line on polonium seemed to be simply not to raise the issue. ============= http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=radioactive-smoke And what sets polonium apart is that these deaths could be avoided with simple measures. The tobacco industry has known about polonium in cigarettes for nearly 50 years. ============== http://www.sciencemag.org/content/143/3603/247.abstract Polonium-210, which emits alpha particles, is a natural contaminant of tobacco. For an individual smoking two packages of cigarettes a day, the radiation dose to bronchial epithelium from Po210 inhaled in cigarette smoke probably is at least seven times that from background sources, and in localized areas may be up to 1000 rem or more in 25 years. Radiation from this source may, therefore, be significant in the genesis of bronchial cancer in smokers. =========== What else do the radiation and health physics people know. They know that for higher dose radiation it causes immune system damage so that endogenous retrovirus problems begin to take over cells. In the higher doses, these problems cause death via radiation. In the higher dose ranges the use of antibiotics is given to control these virus problems and increase the survival from radiation accidents. So, the technique that was formed in part in Lousian and part in Oak Ridge was to use a little radiation and a cultivate exogenous virus that was selected over many generations for its veracity to cause cancers of the lung. What would the Tobacco industry have feared if it was found that they are doing the very same thing and worse to everyone that they addict to buying cigarettes? ================ What is interesting that Judyth Baker tells this same story of the plan to kill Castro that uses these well known mechanisms of cancer virus and immune system problems as the agent of death. I suppose this is one more example of the JFK research community does not know the simple science from radiation health physics that anyone involved in nuclear radiation survival methods is required to know. One can use the knowledge to survive nuclear wars, or use it to kill persons like Castro in CIA linked plots. What is more interesting, is knowledge of this effect by any real science minded person in the area of JFK assassinations research would easily be able to see the merits of this costly factor to the cigarette people and finger King Tobocco Mortimer Davis, the Duke/RJR bunch and know they are going to be use all the force they can get to shut up that issue. They are well connected with Mortimer Bloomfield, who is connected to PERMINDEX, and there is the top level connection needed to both kill a president and the connections to cover it up in the news, form a fake panel to frame LHO after he is dead. And the Crooks get away scott free. And the Deaths of Millions of Americans continue over those intent on deceptions on health risks and using addiction of people to exploit Americans for profit. ===============

LHO and the Lung Cancer Project for Fidel Castro's Demise without upsetting the Soviets. Everyone has heard the theme that LHO was down in New Orleans working with David Ferrie with a bunch of mice. The project stemmed from Alton Oscher's big idea to kill Castro and make it look like smoking cigars did him in. Fidel Castro was under the protection of the Soviets, since the Missle Crisis and things were very tense. Cuba had a nuclear arsenal a 180 units big that would have devastated the US. Castro liked to smoke Cigars and that would make for a good covert plan to kill Castro, if there existed a way to trigger lung cancer. It turns out that the latest reseach on cancer discovered the virus associations with Cancer in the late 1950s. The Joint Chiefs, people like Lemnitzer and LeMay, were seeking ways to fake out Russia with things like "Operation Northwoods", where they'd fake that Cuba and Castro attacked US Ships, planes, and mainland areas with terrort tactics. Then the US would have to respond. It was the plan of Joint Chief Limnitzer and all the Chiefs signed off on the project, but JFK said there would be no force used against Cuba. So, the scheming went off into other directions, so Oschner came up with the kill Castro with Lung Cancer. Oshener even killed a child with some vaccine issues with viral contamination, which gave him the idea to off Castro covertly. It became a hot plan that involved David Ferrie, Lee Oswald, Judyth Baker because she became good and causing cancers in mice in Bradenton, Fla., and the Senator there plugged her into Oschners plan. She got to work with Mary Sherman for technical advice. Ferrie supplied the mice house, and an accelarator to mutate the virus was handy nearby. So, all they had to do is start with known lung cancer associated viruses, cause some radiation mutations and then reinject them into successive numbers of mice and select the mice that showed the most progressive tumor growths. Once they had these mutationally improved virus collections, all they had left to do was figure out how to get them into Castro. Then plan was not too difficult and only needed Castro to get a little too much X-ray dose to knock down his immune response and give him a shot of some kind taineted with the Lung Cancer Virus. Lots of this sort of thing is spoking about in the book Dr. Mary's Monkey by Ed Haslam. It is about the issues of SV-40 and the contamination of the US vaccine methods with live viruses. These viruses cause problems later in life or when the immune system is depressed by some toxic issue or radiation. SV-40 was seen to be carcinogenic, and not good. So, then it progressed into killed virus methods in place of weak virus methods for vaccines and these are used today. However, contained within all the viral science was the secret to causing cancer. It was going to be used to off Castro and make it easier for the US to regain Cuba and the regional converstion to capitalism. While the process and the method works, it most likely failed because JFK tipped off Castro because they were on good terms and talking peace. JFK decided to go against the Joint Chiefs designs for war and even had the Russians talked into a joint space plan that would lead toward peace. Needless to say, the Joint Chiefts were not happy. Everyone knows lots of secretive powerful forces turned against JFK around six months before he died and it kept building until one of those units succeeded in killing JFK. When they did succeed, those involved had a big problem because LHO could blow then all out of the water, if he told his associations with the plot to kill Castro with Cancer Virus method. So, LHO had to be killed also. At stake was the issue of LHO would make the mechanism for causing Lung Cancer in Humans using the Virus Method in tandem with immune damage. If the news of Lung Cancer being caused by Immune System damage and a Viral proliferation got out, the tobacco litigation problems would put the tobacco companies out of business. It became such a problem that it took out David Ferrie and it was made to look he commited suicide. It took out Dr. Mary S. Sherman with odd death. Everyone that might leak the story suddenly died. Only one little mom survived because she kept her mouth shut for so long, but the central problem was never fully exposed. The missing connection was the "Tobacco King" Mogul in Canada was a Mortimer Davis and he was the uncle of Loius Mortimer Bloomfield, and Davis gave Bloomfield lots of his economic power. Even the Bronfman gang of Mafia fame were in the tight circle in Montreal. Bronfman ran liquir to Chicago and to Lansky. Tobacco started in Cuba, then had some interest in Spain where the first Cigars were made from leaf imported from Cuba. It took some interest and slowly there was interest in Europe and the UK and German has interests. The Germans were very scientific about the problems and they had some of the first health inerest considerations. See: http://www.globalink.org/tobacco/docs/secretdocs/0002verband.html It appears that Bloomfield's Father was interested in tobacco growing back in Germany and it stemmed from his brother's interest in tobacco. His brother went on to become the Tobacco King. One German, Frank Gerhardt Cohn, person of interest moved from Germany, to France, to Spain, then to Cuba for about six years, then ends up in the US first working for an explosives company and then for RJ Reynolds on the issue of rigging the science so it doesn't look like tobacco is addictive. Also, then rigging the issue so it also doesn't look like it is cancinogenic. This person, together with Ann Oppenheimer, later becomes highly visible in all the tobacco company health effects issues: http://extras.journalnow.com/lostempire/tob5b.htm http://tobaccodocuments.org/profiles/colby_frank_g.html This group became the protection for lots of the tobacco industry and all cooperated to protect each others interests, even those of Tobacco King Davis, and the McDonals. In later times we even find that ORNL is involved with RJ Reynolds in doing the cover up science on smoking health and addition problems. The very same Oak Ridge that was helping kill Castro with Cancer support and supplied ORAU trained persons for Cancer virus research were now helping the tobacco industry shade the truths: http://no-smoke.org/document.php?id=331 Had either JFK or LHO survived, the world of smoking and cancer issues would be much different. The Crooks would not have won the day by killing them both. When you solve the JFK assassination you realize the common denominator for why both were killed, not just that LHO killed JFK, but that both were a theat to the same basic concept of Lung Cancer associated with tobacco deaths, not just Castros. Sadly, in looking back into those times one finds even Jackie Kennedy had the smoking addiction problems and perhaps smoking contributed toward her death via cancer. This piece below looks into the aftermath of her life with JFK: Beginning of End of Jackie-O http://smokingsides.com/asfs/K/Kennedy.html Jackie Nicotine Junkie http://smokingsides.com/asfs/K/Kennedy.html ============ It is this central theme that most ties all the plotters together and supples a better vision of why LHO and JFK had to be killed in tandem. Sure it was part because he knew the plotters were partly CIA, but the CIA stood down. The ones that nobody had control over were the Bloomfield DISC associated group, which did not stand down. A very similar method exists for Fluoride toxic effects from industry and is centered with Kettering Labs in Ohio. These folks take the documents and protect the fluoride toxic industry from big lawsuits. Kettering's role in this is well known, and it appears the tobacco industry took its lead from these tactics on how to name a protected pollutant into how to make a protected addictive carcinogenic drug a protect industry that has killed millions of people in the US. All because JFK and LHO could not bbe allowed to speak these issues. ===========

Well Pam, Do you support placing Judyth Baker on the list along with everyone else?

What mean "we," Kemosabe? ========= I am sure JVB supports herself as credible, and I support her, so in the least since We. Others have to speak up for her, if they desire. I do speak up for her and have always done so. Even Fetzer takes up for her, seemingly, just not around Jack White and BK. If Mr. Simkin can write on the same line with Judyth Baker---by the special request of Jim Phelps, if he is somehow worried of her importance in the sceme of things. The Castro Lung Cancer thing is important.

How about what the rest of us think? We don't count? I'd respectfully request that she be part of the list, and the list be representative of more than just your idea, since you asked in a public fashion.

Marina Owald and Ruth Paine defintely belong and the synergism with Bell Aerospace. Marina's story was altered by Paine and instrumental in framing LHO, as Paine was translater for Marina and she altered the story in the critical moments to frame LHO. Paine's husband moves out to move Marina in. Paine's husband works for Bell Aerospace in Dallas, which involves Walter Dornberger, one of the German war criminal rocket scientists. Dornberger invents the fluorine rocket systems for NASA and all his other past NAZI rocket scientist buddies over at Huntsville. Fluoride is a big envionmental problem and only used in the lunar lander engine designs. Oak Ridge supplied NASA with the fluorine production methods for the largest flurine production unit in the US at Canaveral.

Marilyn Sitzman...? She is Zarpruder's Secretary----the one that held Abe on the platform. The one that told him to go get his carmera. Their offices were right next door in Dal-Tex building. And I think the one that locked the camera in the safe to keep people from taking it, which resulted in the camera and film being walked through the process of developing it with Zapruder and his partner along to insure his property was not lost. Her little idea netted the Zapruder family around 6 million dollars. And values up to 16 million dollars for a bit of film. She is in the frey for various reasons, from owner of Dal-Tex, to the second floor Hunt Uranium company there, and the views that the kill shots came from Dal-Tex. Did she hear of a plot and insist Abe go get his camera. Worth some thoughts perhaps.

And Dr. Mary S. Sherman too. And the logical associations of Lung Cancer research links to Tobacco profits. Anyone that fails to associate Mortimer Davis and Mortimer Bloomfield into the LHO kill Castro plot and the JFK equation will fail to solve the JFK murder. Those wise enough to connect those dots, suddenly solve the crime. It is time to solve it.

I can see how much folks dismiss what I say, as this hot topic of "Zapruder Nay Sayers" has become a huge topic. I see lots of people value the Zapruder Film. And they agree with my observation that Zapruder and the related evidence falls into place once the Bob Harris second shot to the head detail is made obvious. So, this little mention here will slowly take off also, as everyone makes the connections that what she had to say is important to consider. I continue to support JVB's story and the science of lung cancer she was working with. You can have your opionion, and I mine. You seem to not consider that I come at this issue from hearing what killed JFK from inside the Oak Ridge story, so I don't pay much attention to the speculations on the Internet. I go from what I learned from Oak Ridge. While all you have to go in is the Internet speculators, I don't rely on that as my resource. I also support the Zapruder isn't this faked up film and all the other films and photos and the world altered to support Zapruder was faked. It also correlates that many of this faction are the Nay Sayers against JVB. I don't see any attacks on Ed Haslam's work, and it is basically the same details. What is this but blatant discrimination. JVB bashing. Same sort of bashing happens from this Zapruder is faked gang against anyone that tells it is real. JVB story isn't accepted and Haslam's like story is. Male tells the story and its OK, but the female's isn't. JVB bashing is what I see. Really strange. Inconsistent. Not logical. Looks like an attack on a woman named JVB. Nothing wrong with JVB, nothing wrong with Haslam's research either. They support each other, and stand stronger. Most know the issues of Lung Cancer and Tobacco are huge, there is extreme resistance toward having it exposed. Especially as being a part of the JFK isseus that ties back to the interests of big tobacco. Mortimer Davis and Mortimer Bloomfield are related to the issue in more ways than one. JVB belongs on the list. JVB also deserves to be free of discrimination and bashing, as she tells the truth. Leaving off Big Tobaccos connections with Mortimer Davis and Mortimer Bloomfield is what keeps folks from solving the JFK assassinations main players at the top. If JVB is so bad, follow the exact some issues from Ed Haslam. Solve the crime.

I would add "Judyth Vary Baker". I'd also put her information as critical toward issues of LHO and the technology of cancer causation of this period as linked to radiation, viral cancer causation, immune resistance, and the impacts such associations would have on tobacco cancer litigation that was heating up in this time frame. The New Orleans plot against Castro was the inducement of lung cancer using cultured and mutatated cancer virus methods. And that information had the capacity to destroy the tobacco industry. Linking that rather obvious association makes JVB of prime importance on the JFK issues, per LHO and their lung cancer technique. LHO was on the FBI payrole and part of DISC. Connecting these associations is critical toward solving the JFK assassination. Judyth Baker had to stand up as a real trooper against vicous attacks on her character and credibilty from McAdams in New Orleans and Lifton in LA. Her veracity always stood fast against multiple and sustained hateful attempts to distroy her and her witness on LHO and their project to kill Castro using a technical fashion that would not upset the Russian protectionism of Castro. When Ed Haslam did his book and found the exact some issues as Judyth Baker, this somewhat lowered the attack levels against her and she completed her excellent and well documented book telling the story in her own voice. Judyth Baker's story is a critical element in the JFK motives and killers. Likewise, I would put "Dr. Mary S. Sherman" into the list to include on the JFK assassination. She was part of the New Orleans Lung Cancer Project envisioned by Alton Oschner in New Orleans. These were some of the top cancer specialists in the US, not to be omitted in the JFK plot. Oscher killed a child with vaccine viral problems, and this set up the Lung Cancer methodology to kill Castro. Sherman is the Phd level expert on Cancer viral issues linked to Oscher and JVB's research. Sherman dies in a suspicious fashion. The motives to have her killed are two fold: 1. She was involved in the Kill Castro with Lung Cancer Project, 2. She was about to become a witness for JFK assassination testimony. It would be a crime to omit either "Judyth Vary Baker" or "Dr. Mary S. Sherman" from the "Women and JFK Research" equation. They are critical and pivotal in solving the crime. Interestingly, the hate directed toward JVB still continues to this day, stemming largely from the errant group that attacks the Zapruder Film's visial witness to the crime as being valid. Judyth Vary Baker and Mary Sherman have earned their place on the list. Judyth Baker needs to be freed from the hate fest that has been directed against her, and she has been fully vendicated in her witness as to what happened per LHO and the secrets of the Lung Cancer industry that has killed millions.

per Dark Hair girl: I don't think I see enough detail or resolution to claim that. Perhaps. We'll see if any others can see the detail. Per the man standing beside her: He defintely appears to be looking right at the Dal-Tex fire escape zone and not looking at the procession. ====== More good photos: http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/ ====== Was it Altgens 6 that had the bullet lead fragment impact's "star pattern" in windshield? Fetzer calls this a Spiral Nebula, which is more confusing inaccurate non-sense, there are no spiral artifacts, as it is a "Star Pattern" involving multiple straight line fractures radiating from a central point of impact. Ah--here is the write up and photos of the star pattern crack on the inside of the Safety-Glass. http://www.jfkballistics.com/eternalreturn.html Anyone see the same in Alt 6? I see a white speck that appears to be this star pattern damage to the inside glass panel of the windshield.

Thanks, Amazing clarity in Altgens 6. Notice the two Black women on the sidewalk are looking at Dal-Tex, not to mention a motor cop looking behind, not to mention several SS agents looking behind. Not a single one of them looking up to the sixth floor of TSBD. And one can see that JFK has been clearly hit, Jackie is coming to his aide, Conneclly is turned around to see what was going on, and it all matches Zapruder. This is another one of those critical moment pictures that supports Zapruder. Another critical moment happened when Clint Hill jumped off the follow care before the head shot, and most likely it took five seconds of discussions before the SS decided they needed to cover the president. If they'd been one second sooner in decision making, we might have still had JFK around and the world would be a much better place and Americans knowing true liberty. There is a serious point, where SS Hill jumps off the follow car before the head shot is heard or the visual effects seen. What caused SS Hill to jump before the critical kill shot hit JFK?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_John_F._Kennedy_Assassination_Records_Collection_Act_of_1992 Hello William, aka Bill, Kelly, This sounds pretty good, sans some of the exta commentary you tend to toss in things. I can support pushing up the release date for documents with no problem. It would be in everyone's better interests, except the crooks that did it. Amazing things can happen when you speak clearly, and place things well advertised in the open every so often. Is there a bill number to read. Need to see the exact language. And is there one of those friendly little Internet Pages where one adds one's name to the cause? Or is there a form letter that one sends to one's Congressional Representatives? It would be good to keep some sort of sign-up thing bumped up every so often with the links to sign up, the bill number and link, and what ever addl progress information is relevant. If makes sense and is legit, all of us will help. Just make it simple, make it clear, and make the sign up process easy. You'll make progress. Do keep the extranous remarks down, and that'll be a plus. The extraneous remarks tend to kill people's interest. Get me something automatic, form letter, or something easy and I'll pass it around my networks and give it a push. Jim Phelps PS: Nothing is ever impossible, Cold Fusion just made the Big Time http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?letter_id=6988991981 This one looks to be a world changing event in Energy.

======================== Disruptive behavior 1: === Person appears not even able to handle basic mathematics with calculation for grains used in the Kinetic Energy Calculation example above. Such extreme ignorance show zero ability to continue any discussion and the basic issue appears to be troublemaking, providing intentional disruption. A online converter calculator was even including in the listing, making it nearly impossible to screw it up. Yet the person screwed it up: "You might want to recalibrate lol." obviously due to his comment. Mike Williams, on 03 June 2011 - 03:53 PM, said: You might want to recalibrate lol. Here is another hint. A bullet weight if one grain is 1/7000th of a pound. An online calculator: http://www.unitconve...conversion.html Another online calculator: http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver8.htm The conversion factor is 70 Gr = 0.01 lb, which is consistent with all the conversions used above in the Kinetic Energy Balance Equation. "70 Gr Bullet" was selected because that is a typical 222/223 caliber bullet weight, so fits the Grassy Knoll and XP-100 type pistol. ======= Disruptive behavior 2: http://karws.gso.uri...high-speed.html Source: Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio, Chief Medical Examiner and Director of the Regional Crime Laboratory, County of Bexar, San Antonio, Texas (from his Gunshot Wounds, CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL, 1985) Reference clearly states that Bullet effects on head pressure result on distribution of positive and negative pressures within the skull----meaning there is no a Pascal pressure distribution. Complaint: Total failure to be able to comprehind known experts in the field of Ballistics and Gunshot wounds. Net result is the person wants to cause disruption and toss out constant nonsense. =========== Disruptive Behavior 3: Failure to be inclusing of the formation of gases due to gunshot bullet dynamic effects on heating: http://books.google....epage&q&f=false ============ Disruptive Bahavior 4: Failure to use the defintion for Pascal that requires the system to be "at rest," which means in a "static equilibrium" state with no flow or wave energy in the medium. Person shows a consistent Total failure to know the well established scientic language criteria to use Pascal's, or even to understand the basics of physics. Leaving one to think the only reason to keep up his repeating is absolute ignorance, or that of constant troublemaking. Either is not acceptable and disruptive to the thread's discussion via proper methods. These are attacks on the ability to have decent conversations using proper science application. http://www.britannic...scals-principle Pascal’s principle, also called Pascal’s Law, in fluid (gas or liquid) mechanics, statement that in a fluid at rest in a closed container a pressure change in one part is transmitted without loss to every portion of the fluid and to the walls of the container. The principle was first enunciated by the French scientist Blaise Pascal. ============== IMHO ======================== Disruptive behavior 1: === Person appears not even able to handle basic mathematics with calculation for grains used in the Kinetic Energy Calculation example above. Such extreme ignorance show zero ability to continue any discussion and the basic issue appears to be troublemaking, providing intentional disruption. A online converter calculator was even including in the listing, making it nearly impossible to screw it up. Yet the person screwed it up: "You might want to recalibrate lol." obviously due to his comment. Mike Williams, on 03 June 2011 - 03:53 PM, said: You might want to recalibrate lol. Here is another hint. A bullet weight if one grain is 1/7000th of a pound. An online calculator: http://www.unitconve...conversion.html Another online calculator: http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver8.htm The conversion factor is 70 Gr = 0.01 lb, which is consistent with all the conversions used above in the Kinetic Energy Balance Equation. "70 Gr Bullet" was selected because that is a typical 222/223 caliber bullet weight, so fits the Grassy Knoll and XP-100 type pistol. ======= Disruptive behavior 2: http://karws.gso.uri...high-speed.html Source: Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio, Chief Medical Examiner and Director of the Regional Crime Laboratory, County of Bexar, San Antonio, Texas (from his Gunshot Wounds, CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL, 1985) Reference clearly states that Bullet effects on head pressure result on distribution of positive and negative pressures within the skull----meaning there is no a Pascal pressure distribution. Complaint: Total failure to be able to comprehind known experts in the field of Ballistics and Gunshot wounds. Net result is the person wants to cause disruption and toss out constant nonsense. =========== Disruptive Behavior 3: Failure to be inclusing of the formation of gases due to gunshot bullet dynamic effects on heating: http://books.google....epage&q&f=false ============ Disruptive Bahavior 4: Failure to use the defintion for Pascal that requires the system to be "at rest," which means in a "static equilibrium" state with no flow or wave energy in the medium. Person shows a consistent Total failure to know the well established scientic language criteria to use Pascal's, or even to understand the basics of physics. Leaving one to think the only reason to keep up his repeating is absolute ignorance, or that of constant troublemaking. Either is not acceptable and disruptive to the thread's discussion via proper methods. These are attacks on the ability to have decent conversations using proper science application. http://www.britannic...scals-principle Pascal’s principle, also called Pascal’s Law, in fluid (gas or liquid) mechanics, statement that in a fluid at rest in a closed container a pressure change in one part is transmitted without loss to every portion of the fluid and to the walls of the container. The principle was first enunciated by the French scientist Blaise Pascal. ============== IMHO

======================== Disruptive behavior 1: === Person appears not even able to handle basic mathematics with calculation for grains used in the Kinetic Energy Calculation example above. Such extreme ignorance show zero ability to continue any discussion and the basic issue appears to be troublemaking, providing intentional disruption. A online converter calculator was even including in the listing, making it nearly impossible to screw it up. Yet the person screwed it up: "You might want to recalibrate lol." obviously due to his comment. Mike Williams, on 03 June 2011 - 03:53 PM, said: You might want to recalibrate lol. Here is another hint. A bullet weight if one grain is 1/7000th of a pound. An online calculator: http://www.unitconve...conversion.html Another online calculator: http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver8.htm The conversion factor is 70 Gr = 0.01 lb, which is consistent with all the conversions used above in the Kinetic Energy Balance Equation. "70 Gr Bullet" was selected because that is a typical 222/223 caliber bullet weight, so fits the Grassy Knoll and XP-100 type pistol. ======= Disruptive behavior 2: http://karws.gso.uri...high-speed.html Source: Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio, Chief Medical Examiner and Director of the Regional Crime Laboratory, County of Bexar, San Antonio, Texas (from his Gunshot Wounds, CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL, 1985) Reference clearly states that Bullet effects on head pressure result on distribution of positive and negative pressures within the skull----meaning there is no a Pascal pressure distribution. Complaint: Total failure to be able to comprehind known experts in the field of Ballistics and Gunshot wounds. Net result is the person wants to cause disruption and toss out constant nonsense. =========== Disruptive Behavior 3: Failure to be inclusing of the formation of gases due to gunshot bullet dynamic effects on heating: http://books.google....epage&q&f=false ============ Disruptive Bahavior 4: Failure to use the defintion for Pascal that requires the system to be "at rest," which means in a "static equilibrium" state with no flow or wave energy in the medium. Person shows a consistent Total failure to know the well established scientic language criteria to use Pascal's, or even to understand the basics of physics. Leaving one to think the only reason to keep up his repeating is absolute ignorance, or that of constant troublemaking. Either is not acceptable and disruptive to the thread's discussion via proper methods. These are attacks on the ability to have decent conversations using proper science application. http://www.britannic...scals-principle Pascal’s principle, also called Pascal’s Law, in fluid (gas or liquid) mechanics, statement that in a fluid at rest in a closed container a pressure change in one part is transmitted without loss to every portion of the fluid and to the walls of the container. The principle was first enunciated by the French scientist Blaise Pascal. ============== IMHO

Yes BK, I know all about your claimed thoroughness as a JFK researcher. You leave out things like Meyer and the ADL, and that Meyer's kid works for them these days. Meyer was a big Zionist and there are lots of ways he can help with JFK. Zionist Meyer was doing a lot of sneaking about to help hide the JFK issues. Meyer was smart and connected in NYC. You do your eyes wide shut research and do mine with eyes open. And what does the ADL like to do, keep down the issues of JFK and Zionism. Suggest to make that Sutton name disappear with Files? Perhaps play up the Italian Mafia and keep Meyer out of the limelight. Exceptionally so in Hollywood movies. Hide that the St. Valentine's Day Massacre was mostly Jewish mobsters. Keep down that issue of the Spanish Iquisition Jewish exiles started up Slavery trading, and JFK was getting those upstart former slaves real Civil Rights after all those years. Abe gets killed over the like issues. Those Southerners, like Andy Griffith said, killed JFK. And there was this "Hitler's Bible" by "Madison Grant" book that the ADL literally hated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Grant It said the Nordics were smarter than the Hebrews, plus Jesus folks up in Phonecia at Mt. Carmel would be the more intelligent. And JFK likes Jesus, is a Catholic, got the scamming going on with the Fed Res, how Abe resisted it. How another president was black mailed into the Fed Res. The Brits/Rothchild interests were always connected with killing US presidents before JFK, then it turned to Israel's godfathers and the Rothchilds. And their US buddies. ======= http://www.stewwebb.com/bush_crime_family_quotes.htm'>http://www.stewwebb.com/bush_crime_family_quotes.htm Bush Crime Family Quotes The Legacy of the Bush-Millman-Clinton Crime Family: A Vortex of Weapons, Narcotics, Frauds, Treason and Murders. November 2006 http://www.stewwebb.com A Benevolent Dictatorship is the Best Form of Government. Everything in Secret and above the law needs to be imperative.-- George H W Bush Former U.S. President George H. W. Bush in 1988 said: New World Order is the consolidation of more power and money into tighter, fewer, righted, eliter, whiter, hands. NAZI Adolph Hitler first coined the phrase: New World Order. Bush further stated in June 1992 to Sarah McClendon the Grandam of the Washington White House Press Corps when she asked Bush what will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran-Contra? George H W Bush Replied: Sarah, If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched. Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.--George W. Bush August 5, 2004 There's a government inside the government and I don't control it.-- President Bill Clinton Are we to remain a nation convenient to our politicians? Are we to remain a nation that, according to Bush Goon Former Kansas Senator Bob Dole is "The Land of the Provincial and Home of the Naïve Thank God"? Governments are only there for Us to Rob, Loot and Pillage.--President George H. W. Bush The American People, The BUD People, The Broke Useless and Depressed. We are the MPBs, Money, Power and Brains. As long as we keep food on the BUDSTERS tables, a roof over their heads, a car in their driveway and gas in their gas tanks to go to and from work. We can keep the BUDSTERS at bay.--President George H. W. Bush ====================

Ignore, I figured as much. I have to say, I find it heart breaking that anyone who follows the beliefs of Harris would put me on ignore. I find it heart breaking that someone who does not understand that the very change in static to dynamic condition is precisely what Pascal is addressing. After all, it is the influence of pressure (dynamic), from an outside source, on liquid (in a static condition). But one has to wonder why would you think that I would be afraid to post in another thread? I have posted this stuff many times, and not one time has it ever been refuted. It also goes to note that for all your yammering, you have yet to refute it, you just continue to dance and gas bag along. Speaking of gas as a fundamental you may want to research a few laws that continue to provide evidence of your ignorance. Boyle's Law, Gay-Lussac's Law, and Charles' Law might be a good beginning, but first I suggest you brush up on high school physics. This will of course add to your understanding and comprehension of energy, momentum, and force. Which you have clearly shown you lack. As for your complaint, I am not off topic at all. As far as I can tell this topic is about Robert Harris and his ridiculous conclusions, which you support, in regard to a second head shot based on the z film. I refute your beliefs and Harris beliefs, and Pascals Law proves that you are incorrect. How is this off topic? How is this disruptive? I am right on topic, and still addressing your claims of a second head shot. I believe that you only find this disruptive, because you and your pseudo education are being taken to school on things you obviously know nothing about. ======================== Disruptive behavior 1: === Person appears not even able to handle basic mathematics with calculation for grains used in the Kinetic Energy Calculation example above. Such extreme ignorance show zero ability to continue any discussion and the basic issue appears to be troublemaking, providing intentional disruption. A online converter calculator was even including in the listing, making it nearly impossible to screw it up. Yet the person screwed it up: "You might want to recalibrate lol." obviously due to his comment. Mike Williams, on 03 June 2011 - 03:53 PM, said: You might want to recalibrate lol. Here is another hint. A bullet weight if one grain is 1/7000th of a pound. An online calculator: http://www.unitconve...conversion.html Another online calculator: http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver8.htm The conversion factor is 70 Gr = 0.01 lb, which is consistent with all the conversions used above in the Kinetic Energy Balance Equation. "70 Gr Bullet" was selected because that is a typical 222/223 caliber bullet weight, so fits the Grassy Knoll and XP-100 type pistol. ======= Disruptive behavior 2: http://karws.gso.uri...high-speed.html Source: Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio, Chief Medical Examiner and Director of the Regional Crime Laboratory, County of Bexar, San Antonio, Texas (from his Gunshot Wounds, CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL, 1985) Reference clearly states that Bullet effects on head pressure result on distribution of positive and negative pressures within the skull----meaning there is no a Pascal pressure distribution. Complaint: Total failure to be able to comprehind known experts in the field of Ballistics and Gunshot wounds. Net result is the person wants to cause disruption and toss out constant nonsense. =========== Disruptive Behavior 3: Failure to be inclusing of the formation of gases due to gunshot bullet dynamic effects on heating: http://books.google....epage&q&f=false ============ Disruptive Bahavior 4: Failure to use the defintion for Pascal that requires the system to be "at rest," which means in a "static equilibrium" state with no flow or wave energy in the medium. Person shows a consistent Total failure to know the well established scientic language criteria to use Pascal's, or even to understand the basics of physics. Leaving one to think the only reason to keep up his repeating is absolute ignorance, or that of constant troublemaking. Either is not acceptable and disruptive to the thread's discussion via proper methods. These are attacks on the ability to have decent conversations using proper science application. http://www.britannic...scals-principle Pascal’s principle, also called Pascal’s Law, in fluid (gas or liquid) mechanics, statement that in a fluid at rest in a closed container a pressure change in one part is transmitted without loss to every portion of the fluid and to the walls of the container. The principle was first enunciated by the French scientist Blaise Pascal. ============== IMHO

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One of the most interesting things is that this fella can't understand the difference between static, which is what his ramblings applied to, and dynamic. A bullet's impact doesn't follow the static systems rules because it doesn't apply due to pressure waves and the system not being in equilibrium. Which means, there isn't any use in talking to someone illiterate in the sciences. It is a waste of everyone's time. Take your nonsense somewhere else. If you have all the answers, start your thead up, then lets have you list all your themes on Pascal so everyone can show them around to everyone. I'd say if you walked into any University with a Physics Professor they are going to laugh and offer you a chance to go to school. Start your own theat name, toss out all your calculations, all your science proofs, or alledged science. Do it all without interference or comment from anyone else. If you are on the mark, then folks are going to be talking your theme. If not, then you get to be the science illiterate, which is my opinion. I'd say your are absolutely afaid to start your own thead up and show your head shot analysis and do use that Pascal theme. I think you'll go down the drain in short order. I am not going to fool with teaching you why Pascal doesn't apply, as you appear exceedingly dense. I can't fix ignorance of science, nor do I want to even carry on a discussion with ignorance. There is no nice way to put it. You only purpose around here is to keep talking like a brokern record on Pascal, Pascal, Pascal. Pascal is only used for systems in equilibrium and without pressure waves. That is for those that know science, as the curent person can't seem to understand wave physics. I am going to put you on "ignore," for the due cause of technical nonsense. I am also going to file a complaint that you are off the topic in even bringing up again Pascal again and again, which is a static system issue that doesn't apply to high vel bullets and I am going to show that experts in the field of ballistics agree. And that you are being disruptive. Disruptive behavior 1: === Person appears not even able to handle basic mathematics with calculation for grains used in the Kinetic Energy Calculation example above. Such extreme ignorance show zero ability to continue any discussion and the basic issue appears to be troublemaking, providing intentional disruption. A online converter calculator was even including in the listing, making it nearly impossible to screw it up. Yet the person screwed it up: "You might want to recalibrate lol." obviously due to his comment. An online calculator: http://www.unitconversion.org/weight/grains-to-pounds-conversion.html Another online calculator: http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver8.htm The conversion factor is 70 Gr = 0.01 lb, which is consistent with all the conversions used above in the Kinetic Energy Balance Equation. "70 Gr Bullet" was selected because that is a typical 222/223 caliber bullet weight, so fits the Grassy Knoll and XP-100 type pistol. ======= Disruptive behavior 2: http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/scientific_topics/wound_ballistics/how_a_high-speed.html Source: Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio, Chief Medical Examiner and Director of the Regional Crime Laboratory, County of Bexar, San Antonio, Texas (from his Gunshot Wounds, CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL, 1985) Reference clearly states that Bullet effects on head pressure result on distribution of positive and negative pressures within the skull----meaning there is no a Pascal pressure distribution. Complaint: Total failure to be able to comprehind known experts in the field of Ballistics and Gunshot wounds. Net result is the person wants to cause disruption and toss out constant nonsense. =========== Disruptive Behavior 3: Failure to be inclusing of the formation of gases due to gunshot bullet dynamic effects on heating: http://books.google.com/books?id=8Gq-rVVIbA4C&pg=PT652&lpg=PT652&dq=bullet+vaporization+fluids&source=bl&ots=sWQhD0Jhnd&sig=-wMxb_bNsHg1XSJspkWLG0mYplY&hl=en&ei=OizoTejXNsju0gGGieCjAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false ============ Disruptive Bahavior 4: Failure to use the defintion for Pascal that requires the system to be "at rest," which means in a "static equilibrium" state with no flow or wave energy in the medium. Person shows a consistent Total failure to know the well established scientic language criteria to use Pascal's, or even to understand the basics of physics. Leaving one to think the only reason to keep up his repeating is absolute ignorance, or that of constant troublemaking. Either is not acceptable and disruptive to the thread's discussion via proper methods. These are attacks on the ability to have decent conversations using proper science application. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/445445/Pascals-principle Pascal’s principle, also called Pascal’s Law, in fluid (gas or liquid) mechanics, statement that in a fluid at rest in a closed container a pressure change in one part is transmitted without loss to every portion of the fluid and to the walls of the container. The principle was first enunciated by the French scientist Blaise Pascal. ============== IMHO

The above has nothing to do with Pascal's law I've been a member here for years and I've never made a post commenting on ballistics, shots, or Zapruder authenticity. Where the hell do you get your ideas from? You arrive at false conclusions and couple it with a propensity to insult people. A bad combination and a losing one. =============== Well Mr. Hogan, Isn't there a rule against Cuss words on the forum, since we have to set a proper example for children reading this list. I think you violated a list commandment. I guess the question is why did you need to jump onto the Pascal issue, when anyone would know that it doesn't apply to the JFK pressure issues on the skull. Maybe you need to go back to not commenting on ballistics, head shots, or Zapruder. And brush up on issues like humor applied to "hot air". Are you really so dense that you can't keep up with humor thrust into the commentary, or you just felt like being crabby? Perhaps you should have not said anything at all. You certainly jumped right into the issue of Zapruder Validity with your comment on this thread, as that is the main emphasis of this Bob Harris Video. Thus, logiocally, since you commented in this area here, your previous history has little to do with your current venting. I am looking at what you did right here. Pascal's has nothing to do with JFK, so why did you comment at all. That whole issue is off topic, by definitions. Your logic is like a sausage meat that rejects the grinder. Go bug someone else, because if you continue, I will put you on block / ignore. I don't appreciate folks that start cussing. Let this area have peace, stop the distraction commentary. Go away and take Sg. M with you. You have said nothing of value per the subject of Bob Harris and the Bulge.

============== Ah Yes, there we have it. Hogan admits Pascal does apply to "hot air." In his own words---Hogan admits Pascal applies to hot air, and perhaps that applying Pascal to the JFK head shot is purely "hot air"---aka "total nonsense". Besides, the "hot air" comment was a pun directed at the silly associations of M with Pascal's, when it clearly doesn't apply for dynamic systems, not at rest. Yup, nonsense, not science. Another one of your issues, is you can't even realize when a pun is being made about someone's silly assertions. Which is why I started laughing and ROFLOL. Yes, Pascal's applies very well to hot air, which is a more perfect gas, and makes a suggestion about "hot air" coming from someone that evidently doesn't know simple science or algebra. Hot Air is a common phrase down South and we all know what it means. It is closely akin to "blowing smoke", causing distractions, trying to shift a topic, hide things. That you can't grasp the "humor" speaks volumes. You intention was to dig, to distract, to make a fuss. And when it all is said and done, all you caused is distraction. All M has done is cause distraction, no real science. Lots of hand waving. All the ballistics issues were covered at the very front of this thread and it was always there for anyone that took the time to familiaze themselves on the subject. Yet, via not reading the previous ground covered, it has to be gone over again. And we have wasted bandwidth, all manner of distraction, repetition from those not reading the previous that included the science and speaks of the wave nature of a bullet's pressure inducements on the head. How about returning calm to this thread, get off your current mode, go elsewhere, cut out the distractions, bad science, go off and do your homework somewhere besides boring me to death with pseudo science. Find someone else to bug.

======== A nice balloon full of air vs water is very telling that you make poor associative logic. Me thinks you don't have a science back ground. You clearly have invented "Hogan's Law," which departs from the accepted science. =========== Besides, I think the sound of a Noble Prize winning Physicist's view of things leaves your opinion down in the noise of zero scientic literacy. ====== Citation: The study of the assassination has drawn the attention of physicists at least since David S. Lifton’s Best Evidence (1980). As Lifton explains, he showed photos of Zapruder frames to Richard Feynman at CalTech in 1965, where the Nobel Prize laureate pointed out that there is forward movement from frames 312 to 313, which, when the back-and-to-the-left motion observed in the film is taken as proof of a shot from in front, implies that JFK was hit at least twice in the head—once from behind and once from in front—a double-hit that was meticulously diagrammed in Josiah Thompson’s Six Seconds in Dallas (1967). ====== Mr. Hogan's ramblings carry little scientic weight, and I'd hesitate to even mention the word science for his conjectures. It is more like a lot of hand waving, not science.

No, it is not. Oh, Yes it does apply to hot air. Anything that exhibits ideal gas properties, even steam. It only has to be near static and not flowing at high velocity. So, is this Hogan's Law, as yours appears to not respect the definition, thus reality! Now you're trying to change your statement. You said that it was "usually dedicated to hot air," which is clearly wrong. Anyone can Google Pascal's Law and see that it is "usually dedicated to liquids." It takes less than a minute to do so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_law Here's what your boys at NASA say: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/WindTunnel/Activities/Pascals_principle.html I didn't say that it did not apply to hot air. Guys like you that put words in the mouth of others and then couch it with insults are a waste of time. I've seen you do that since you joined the forum. It's tempting to give you a larger dose of your own insulting language, but I'm gonna pass this time. Most forum members figured you out shortly after you started posting here. ============ Well Mr. Hogan, I do think most knowledgable in science know that "fluid," as applied to Pascal's, means liquid or gas. Fluid doesn't mean just a liquid. This shows not even a modest scientic skill from you. Gases follow Pascal's better than heavy liquids. I have taken note of both yours and BK's general attempts to pick something that usually gets caught and you all start whinning about getting caught. There is this need to control from several, but the science rules. I have seen excessive scientific illiteracy from several of you, that suggests that the reason this JFK issues can't get solved, in several areas, is that illiteracy. However, I think your issue is that you don't like the two shots to the head because that then proves the Z-film is accurate and the autopsy data lines up. You always have an agenda, and it isn't based in science. imho Most persons that know science well know that Pascal's is least applicable for liquids, because of their weight per unit volume is high. Which means, that due to gravity, any depth of water does not follow Pascal's too well, as the pressure is a function of depth. It works better with gases, but over the depth of the atmosphere it even fails to work accurately enough. Anyone with a balloon can see the effect as a balloon full of water is tear drop shaped due to the non-equal pressure with depth effect. But a balloon with air is round and it applies well for air, on a medium scale basis. Just a simple balloon analogy proves the point. I think you might need to admit that you don't have good scientific expertise. Like your pal BK can't seem to associate the derogatory J-- term stuff as only originating from his own mind. Plus, if you really did have a clue about science, you'd know that Pascal's doesh't even apply to dynamic systems with pressure wave effects in dominance. Pascal's only applies to static systems with no flow, particularly of liquids. You have both feet in your mouth, at this point. All I do is point to the obvious, using science as the guide. And this is all very simple science, and you all can't even read the defintions. If my pointing this out to you clearly, as being wrong, you have no one else to blame other than yourselfs.

Even when given a great big hint on the equation to use, I tend to see total vapidity for basic algebra. I suspect we are dealing with persons that never even completed high school, who have shown that they can't even do this most simple math problem. This is a very simple algebra problem and the science used is a common example in every physics and dynamics text book at the most basic levels. The method to calculate speed of bullet to head transition is really easy. It is a Kinetic Energy Balance equation. 1/2 (Mass1) (Velocity1)*2 = 1/2 (Mass2) (Velocity2)*2 So, do some varible moving around: Velocity1 = sq rt (M2/M1) * Velocity2 2,000 fps = sq rt (20 lbs / 1/100 lb) * Velocity2 2,000 = sq rt (2000) * Velocity 2 2,000 / sq rt (2000) = Velocity 2 2,000 / 12.6 = Velocity 2 = 158 fps So, the initial conditions were Mass of bullet 1/100 lbs with 2,000 fps and mass of head is 20 lbs. Now, that was the lossless number, so have to toss in some loss for thermalization effects, so reducing the energy transfer by 1/2. That gives about 80 fps, so the head can easily jump forward very quickly, in one frame. The distance of the jump forward is determined by resistance. For JFK's head the jump forward is about 3 inches, or the amount from a good solid boxer punch. The jump rearward has less resistance and the velocity component never goes to zero until he falls all the way over. ====== Bullet weight considerations: http://www.unitconversion.org/weight/grains-to-pounds-conversion.html 1/100 lb = 70 grains = 0.01 lbs ======= Range of motion criteria: The head is attached to the torso, so the range of motion of the head is retrained by a much larger torso mass that is connected with strong cord like effect of the spine, and damping effects of the neck muscles. What that means is the rather large transfer velocity's energy is quickly absorbed over the short range of head motion for the first shot. The second shot appears to have coupled to the torso mass somewhat, with gravity aiding, and results in a longer period of motion to the rear. ============= All this has been the most basic algebra that most can work in their heads without need to even write it down. Certainly persons like Dr. Feynman also quickly made these same associations in his assessments for two shots to the head.