Jim Phelps

More interesting concepts from old religion history of Middle East and of Europe: http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html In the New Testament, in His message to the Church at Smyrna, the Lord Jesus Christ referred to a “synagogue of Satan” as “them which say they are Jews, and are not.” In other words, there was a synagogue of Israel that was not Jewish: “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” (Rev. 2:9-10) ======== It seems that Jews were also infiltrating the churches, bringing their false doctrines with them; as Paul stated, these Jews were “false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage.” (Gal. 2:4) It is likely Paul anticipated that the Judaizing heresy, which had appeared in Corinth and Galatia, would eventually manifest in other churches, and especially in Rome, the center and seat of earthly power and government. For this reason, the doctrinal position of the Christian community in Rome, whose power and influence was destined only to increase, would carry great weight in deciding the Judaizing controversy. This may explain why Paul’s epistle to the Romans was a defense of the fundamental doctrine of “the righteousness which is of faith” as contrasted with the Jewish concept of righteousness which is “of the law”. “For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth... That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Rom.10:2-4,9) Tragically, before his departure from Ephesus to Jerusalem, whence he would appeal to appear before Caesar in Rome, Paul prophesied that the Christian churches would be infiltrated by heretics, chief among whom were the Judaizers. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:20) =============== There was also a thriving Jewish community in the area which became the Vatican. According to “The Vatican & Rome as elements of apocalyptic discourse”: “The origins of the ‘Cittá del Vaticano’ are as an unpleasant neighborhood outside the city walls populated by Jews and beginning in the first century by (Jewish) Christians and still later by the persecuted Gentile converts to the Christian sect.” The Latin word “Vatican” means “divining serpent” (see Papal Crest Dragon): “The word ‘Vatican’ literally means ‘Divining Serpent,’ and is derived from Vatis=Diviner and Can=Serpent. Vatican City and St. Peter’s Basilica were built on the ancient pagan site called in Latin vaticanus mons or vaticanus collis, which means hill or mountain of prophecy. Coins minted in Vatican City often bear the inscription ‘CITTÁ DEL VATICANO’, which means City of Prophecy.” (The Wine of Babylon) ============== brothers, who converted from Judaism and became priests of the Catholic Church, in one of their works, which merits meditation, wrote: “‘O Israelites of Rome, we understand the attitude of our people. If you are conceded the right of possession which you invoke, we wager that, within thirty to fifty years from now, Rome will be in your hands.’ (ff. Rome et les juives. ‘Rome and the Jews’) “And so the prophecy came to pass. The city of Rome fell quickly into the abyss, and was economically and materially subjugated to the Jews, as were all of the major cities of the great nations of Europe.” (La Civilta Cattolica) ============== It was Constantine the Great whose Edict of Milan in 313 ended the persecution of Christians and legalized the worship of Jesus Christ. At the same time, Constantine also obstructed Jewish ascendancy in the Roman Empire. “The Jewish position in Rome began to deteriorate during the reign of Constantine the Great (306-336), who enacted laws limiting the rights of Jews as citizens... Some of the relevant decrees in these codes include prohibitions against making proselytes, intermarriage, owning slaves (slave labor was very common and this prohibition severely restricted the economic life of the Jews), holding any esteemed position in the Roman state, building new synagogues and testifying against Orthodox Christians in court.” (Jewish Virtual Library) =============

I always found it rather interesting that the "George Mandel" name was used by a Rothschild. Just very odd that the 33rd Degree Mason Mandel (aka Matello) and a Rothschild use the same last name: http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon-3.html And according to Eric Samuelson, Jeroboam Rothschild represented France in the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 under a Gentile surname. Also located in Paris was the Prieuré de Sion. “Beer was the American expert on colonial questions at the Peace Conference in Paris. With Lord Eustace Percy, he drew up the plan for the History of the Peace Conference which was carried out by Harold Temperley. The British Round Table group served at the conference as advisers to Prime Minister David Lloyd George. [The real behind- the-scene experts at the Paris conference included M. (Georges) Mandel (real name Jereboam Rothschild) (France), Phillip Sassoon (1888-1939) (England) and Bernard Baruch (U.S.).] Beer was named head of the Mandate Department of the League of Nations as soon as it was established.” (Mystery Man: George Louis Beer) ==============

Humm---lets see. "Malcolm-X" (Malcolm Little) of New York decides to go on a Pilgramage to Mecca and he doesn't follow the Company Line or British Intelligence line on Zionism. Tells he learned the truth there, gets lots of new friends, and even an Arabic name: "El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz". Perhaps he was close to telling the "British Triangle Atlantic Slave Trade Route" was run by Jewish owned merchant ships and they were the principal "Blued Eyed White Devils" that stole his name and heritage. One thing is for sure, the Black Leader he inspirted sure doesn't hold back on that fact. "Louis Farrakhan" (Louis Eugene Walcott), of the Chicago "Nation is Islam", held Malcolm-X as his Idol for inspiration and he knows exactly what factions made money off Slavery, in addition to the Carribean Islands and Southern States. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Malcolm_X Malcolm X on Zionism (1964)Taken from the Egyptian Gazette (17 September 1964) The modern 20th century weapon of neo-imperialism is "dollarism." The Zionists have mastered the science of dollarism: the ability to come posing as a friend and benefactor, bearing gifts and all other forms of economic aid and offers of technical assistance. Thus, the power and influence of Zionist Israel in many of the newly "independent" African nations has fast-become even more unshakeable than that of the 18th century European colonialists... and this new kind of Zionist colonialism differs only in form and method, but never in motive or objective. Zionist Israel's occupation of Arab Palestine has forced the Arab world to waste billions of precious dollars on armaments, making it impossible for these newly independent Arab nations to concentrate on strengthening the economies of their countries and elevate the living standard of their people. "They cripple the bird's wing, and then condemn it for not flying as fast as they." Did the Zionists have the legal or moral right to invade Arab Palestine, uproot its Arab citizens from their homes and seize all Arab property for themselves just based on the "religious" claim that their forefathers lived there thousands of years ago? Only a thousand years ago the Moors lived in Spain. Would this give the Moors of today the legal and moral right to invade the Iberian Peninsula, drive out its Spanish citizens, and then set up a new Moroccan nation ... where Spain used to be, as the European zionists have done to our Arab brothers and sisters in Palestine?...

Guess lots of the answer depends on if you consider Nimrod's religion, and later Babylon's teachings under Nebuchanezzar to be Hebrew oriented in theme. After all, Nimrod was Noah's kinship, and a really bad defiler of the god concepts. Plus considered a raging tyrant. Most of the problems stem from pretenders to be followers of god. The real or benevolent stewards god theme got lost sometime around the times of the Babylon captivity and the hatching of the Babylon Talmud. In these old times there were constant disagreements amoung those Jewish in orientation, and the Nothern Israel 10 tribes fell pretty fast, leaving only the Pharisee and their fortification. This remainder were called the Snakes, those of Satanic orientation, the Synagog of Satan. The ten Northern Tribes of Israel did not get along with the Pharisee, and were considered quite distinct. In a later time, the Nothern Essenes around Mt. Carmel did not get along with the Pharisee either. And they became hated by the Pharisee. Every one of the Jesus Disciples seems to have died believing in the Essene's teachings. All the issues of the Northern Essene met a similar fate as the Pharisee went after them over the issues with Jesus. So they scattered around Europe. Some to France, others to England. And in later times the Knights Templars ran to Scotland. I do think the insights provided by this old history come into play as to what is Jewish and the extent of those that follow and know talmudic issues: http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html Lots of the problems track back to the new set of walls with British and European Castles and who gets to control the Vatican and Rule the kingdoms. There isn't much difference between the British Royals, the German banker games, and the old temple's Pharisee. The roots of the problems lie in Talmudic Babylon teachings, and the modern day issue manifests itself in the British faked up Royalty. It is all about money and who gets to run the show. The very same show was running in Rome in the old times and ruined the Eastern Roman Empire over usury and wars: http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html JFK, in the more recent USA era, got in the way of their money games. JFK obviously detected the US was being exploited and was well on the way to ending that game.

Most interesting question you pose there Kathleen. If one reads "Time Magazine" they suggest these 13, but they are US Domestic and non-finacial: ======== http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,764913,00.html » The 13 most potent family groups' holdings were worth $2,700,000,000, comprised over 8% of the stock of the 200 corporations: Fords, $624,975,000; Du Fonts, $573,690,000; Rockefellers, $396,583,000; Mellons, $390,943,000; McCormicks (International Harvester), $111,102,000; Hartfords (A. & P.), $105,702,000; Harknesses (Standard Oil), $104,891,000; Dukes (tobacco, power), $89,459,000; Pews (Sun Oil), $75,628,000; Pitcairns (Pittsburgh Plate Glass), $65,576,000; Clarks (Singer), $57,215,000; Reynolds (tobacco), $54,766,000; Kresses (S. H. Kress), $50,044,000. » Three groups—Du Fonts, Mellons, Rockefellers—have shareholdings valued at nearly $1,400,000,000, control, directly or indirectly, 15 of the 200 corporations. ========== The "Time Magazine" piece is more the usual Mockingbird issues, mostly diversions. You are very close with your suggestions. The biggest problems stem from the name changers. The German "Bauers" that faked up the name "Rothschilds" to appear Royal. Then the "House of Windsor", who are also all Germans who faked up name changes and titles to appear Royal. You really can't separate the Windor's fortune from the Rothschild's Bank of England control, nor their Jesuit Banking control. This writer here takes one a lot closer. And one can begin to see the facination with the number 13. It is more informative to see what old theme they follow to seek world control, and what unites them in their quest. It has been around a long time, and is a key element of evil. ========== http://www.omegatimes.com/article.php?intid=1032 Barry Smith wrote in Final Notice that the 13 top Illuminati bloodlines existed as a mir ror of the 13 levels of the pyramid on the seal on the reverse side of the American $1 bill. 12 is the number of Godly government. 13 is the number of apostasy and rebellion. They are the dynastic families who own the Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve and associated cartels. They also control the World Bank and IMF and most of the world’s Intelligence agencies. Their identity is meant to be secret but the Rothschilds are certainly one of them. Let’s not forget that money is power, and this power rests largely in the City of London. England is in fact a financial oligarchy run by the "Crown" which refers to the "City of London" not the Queen. The City of London is run by the Bank of England, a private corporation. The square-mile-large City is a sovereign state located in the heart of greater London. As the "Vatican of the financial world," the City is not subject to British law. On the contrary, the bankers dictate to the British Parliament. In 1886, Andrew Carnegie wrote that, "six or seven men can plunge the nation into war without consulting Parliament at all." Vincent Vickers, a director of the Bank of England from 1910-1919 blamed the City for the wars of the world. ("Economic Tribulation" (1940) cited in Knuth, The Empire of The City, 1943, p 60) According to the "American Almanac," the bankers are part of a network called the Club of the Isles which is an informal association of predominantly European-based royal households including the Queen. The Club of the Isles commands an estimated $10 trillion in assets. It lords over such corporate giants as Royal Dutch Shell, Imperial Chemical Industries, Lloyds of London, Unilever, Lonrho, Rio Tinto Zinc, and Anglo American DeBeers. It dominates the world supply of petroleum, gold, diamonds, and many other vital raw materials; and deploys these assets at the disposal of its geopolitical agenda. These families constitute a financial oligarchy; they are the power behind the Windsor throne. They view themselves as the heirs to the Venetian oligarchy, which infiltrated and subverted England from the period 1509- 1715, and established a new, more virulent, Anglo-Dutch-Swiss strain of the oligarchic system of imperial Babylon, Persia, Rome, and Byzantium. Steinberg belongs to a group of historians associated with economist Lyndon Larouche. They have traced this scourge to the migration of the Venetian mercantile oligarchy to England more than 300 years ago. Although the Larouche historians do not say so, it appears that many members of this oligarchy were Jews. Cecil Roth writes: "The trade of Venice was overwhelmingly concentrated in the hands of the Jews, the wealthiest of the mercantile class." (The History of the Jews in Venice, 1930) The establishment of the Bank of England by William in 1694 was the next crucial step. Behind the facade, England has been a "Jewish" state for over 300 years. (pp.20-24) The Jewish banking families made it a practice to marry their female offspring to spendthrift European aristocrats. In Jewish law, the mixed offspring of a Jewish mother is Jewish. (The male heirs marry Jews although Victor and Jacob Rothschild are exceptions.) For example, in 1878 Hannah Rothschild married Lord Rosebery, who later became Prime Minister. In 1922 Louis Mountbatten, the uncle of Prince Philip and cousin of the Queen married the granddaughter of Jewish banker Ernest Cassel, one of the wealthiest men in the world. Winston Churchill’s mother, Jenny (Jacobson) Jerome, was Jewish. By the beginning of the 1900s, there were very few English aristocrat families left that hadn’t intermarried with Jews. It was said that, when they visited the Continent, Europeans were surprised to see Jewish looking persons with English titles and accents. According to L.G. Pine, the Editor of Burke’s Peerage , Jews "have made themselves so closely connected with the British peerage that the two classes are unlikely to suffer loss which is not mutual. So closely linked are the Jews and the Lords that a blow against the Jews in this country would not be possible without injuring the aristocracy also." (Tales of the British Aristocracy 1957, p.219.) If they aren’t Jewish by intermarriage, many European aristocrats consider themselves descendents of Biblical Hebrews. The Hapsburgs are related by marriage to the Merovingians who claim to be descendents of the Tribe of Benjamin. Underpinning all of this is the single shadowy entity we know as the Illuminati. ======== You might find the Collins name interesting in this one: http://www.omegatimes.com/article.php?intid=1043 ==================== Even Ron Paul is onto the theme of the Federal Reserve's games to exploit America. Explotation is one key to always consider to find those up to no good. This up to good for the people use terms like a Rising Tide Lifts All Boats. Or the messagers of the Essene from Mt. Carmel area. ======== http://www.dailypaul.com/133057/what-if-a-group-of-13-banking-families-got-so-rich-they-controlled-everything What if they were so rich they could hire crooks to bribe, blackmail and frame the 500 politicians that control the world's governments. Wouldn't this allow them to control government policy that would always favor their interests, including the war machine to protect their businesses and abscond others by force. What if they were so rich, they controlled the information industry including TV, newspapers, magazines and text books. Wouldn't this allow them to control the minds and opinions of the masses who consume their propaganda, as well as the means to keep their deeds and identity secret? Many times we scratch our heads and wonder why things are so screwed up! But you never know, sometimes the lights come on and it all makes sense! ============== We can certainly pin down well those of the Fed. Res. and their games to control the US. We know their member banks, and getting rid of these would help the US tremendously. Yet to get to the evil, one has to go even more deep. The "Bank of England" and the "Rothschilds Network" are certainly key players. But they follow a plan that is old and has been in play for a long long time. Some of it links to the games of the Welfs and Guelphs to gain the Vatican control. Lots is tied to Jesuit controls and old European history. Certain family is involved, but it is also an organization issue. =========== http://www.rense.com/general85/feddrec.htm The Federal Reserve Bank is a consortium of 9 Zionist Jewish-owned & associated banks with the Rothschilds at the head: $1. Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin. $2. Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris. $3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy. $4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam. $5. Lehman Brothers of NY. $6. Kuhn, Loeb Bank of NY (Now Shearson American Express). $7. Goldman, Sachs of NY. $8. National Bank of Commerce NY/Morgan Guaranty Trust (J. P. Morgan Bank - Equitable Life - Levi P. Morton are principal shareholders). $9. Hanover Trust of NY (William and David Rockefeller & Chase National Bank NY are principal shareholders). =========== To get to the root of the problems and return sanity, one has to really study the goal that unites them. NWO, money, power and control has always been the name of the game since Babylon times. Some follow the good of religion, yet way too many follow the bad and the bad is the Babylon methods. To really understand the magnitude of the problems and its history one has to ponder and read in these areas: http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html This piece is around 80 percent on the money, and it has a few problems. The "ten tribes" to the North is correct and that left the more Talmudic extreme types in the walled City Jerusalem, or the Babylon Pharisee sect. There were also two Essene sects, one at Qunram / Jerusalem and the other to the North at Mt. Carmel. Mary, Joseph, and Jesus were most associated with the Mt. Carmel sect, and they were against the Pharisee. One thing one notices is that Judaism does not agree on very much and there is always discord. Unfortunately, it was the Pharisee sect that survived longer due to their tyrannical beliefs from Babylon. It is why the Jerusalem Temple was called a "Den of Snakes" by the Northern Essene Carmelites. This surviving group competed and took over lots of Roman religion and wormed its way into Vatican issues. Today, the effect is strongest from the Jesuits and their money linked to the Rothschilds. After the 2nd temple's fall, It moved to other walled areas with fortified Castles to protect their interests. Literate Jewish types became the money managers and tax collectors for Europe's land holders. In the end, the British Monarchy became more allied with the Pharisee tyrany version of world conquest. And it became said that the so called "Illuminati" worshiped Satan, and likewise the British Masons that formed from those insights. And it is this old evil system that rips the world apart these days. This is not to suggest all Masons are bad, as only the upper elite know this old Satanic history for religion. Albert Pike wrote the Morals and Dogma for the 33rd order Scottish Rite, and most of those that make it to 33 learn the inner secrets for religion. Likewise, many that know Talmud and the Babylon history also know the game. One of the main problems is the corruption of religion, and an interesting area to study is the Northern Essene at Mt. Carmel as they were the most pious toward religion. They essentially rejected the Babylon Talmud. One of the issues is that the Talmudists seek to have Jesus and the Northern Essene suppressed so they appear to be allied with them, but such is not the case. The second temple had problems with following Babylon's wayward religion themes. It has corrupted the Vatican and religion for thousands of years and the same games are afoot today. JFK was following more the Mt. Carmel Essene religion theme, and not that of the Babylon world control theme. The Hitler goal of world control never really ended, it just changed players, and lots of them are still Germans. It became a Judaic version of the Hitler NWO movement, with new German faces using fake names to hide who they are. WWII showed up lots of Hitler's power with IG Farben corporate successes. It showed up Hitler's cloning of the Talmudic Babylon games for a New 3rd Reicht. And not only was all of the Hitler methods adopted, they are running in full force today. Exceptionally so from England and the Banker Oligarchs there. So, when looks at the exploitation games of this greater or whole network, one finds how they can cover up the dangers of fluorides for their net advantages. One can find what network was used to cover up the extended damage factors due to DuPont's Freon that damages the Ozone Layer and goes on to upset the world's weather patterns by damage to the Ocean's Sulfur Cycle that makes clouds to cool the oceans. Oak Ridge went right to this group of Crooks to cover up the massive damage due to climate change from Corporate stupidity. Oddly, enough it all links to lots of the Revelation Predictions. The corruption of the church teachings is right on the money with those insights. The same network covers up the JFK assassination, RFK, MLK and lots more. The US has not been free for a long time. The US is aboundantly ignorant of history because the listen to the Mockingbirds, rather than read and research those old history to uncover the real truth. America has become dumb and given away what little freedom it once had. ===========

Judyth Baker came into prominence on the UK Producer Nigel Turner "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" (TMWKK) History Channel Series and evidently the last three installments were so hot they were banned. The last three of the series of 9 shows contains the JVB story, and a rather hot episode that tells Lyndon Johnson was one of the top conspirators. If one asks around you can still find these last three shows. Later, other video JVB interviews showed up from various sources. Now, here is the latest edition on a JVB interview that runs around 1 Hr. and 38 Min. http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/17/groundbreaking-interview-with-lee-harvey-oswalds-girlfriend-judyth-vary-baker/

As we bring up the end of PERMINDEX we find that F. Nagy promoted to Rockefeller the inclusion of the Trade Mart concepts of PERMINDEX into the NY WTC as built by Rockefeller. More of the sordid trail of power and control---the extremely tyrannical Rockefeller build up: http://www.apfn.net/rockefeller.htm Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands joined the SS during the early 1930s . He then joined the board of an I.G. subsidiary, Farben Bilder, from which he took the name of his postwar super-secret policy making group, the Bilderbergers . Farben executives played an important role in organizing the Circle of Friends for Heinrich Himmler, although it was initially known as Keppler's Circle of Friends, Keppler being the chairman of an I.G. subsidiary . His nephew, Fritz J. Kranefuss, was the personal assistant to Heinrich Himmler . Of the forty members of the Circle of Friends, which provided ample funds for Himmler, eight were executives of I.G. Farben or of its subsidiaries . In Tennessee, the Rockefeller representative was a Dr. Olin West, who moved on to Chicago to become the power behind the scenes at the American Medical Association for forty years, as secretary and general manager . The dreaded Gestapo, the Nazi police force, was actually built from the worldwide intelligence network which I.G. Farben had maintained since its inception . Herman Schmitz, who had succeeded Carl Bosch as head of I.G., has been personal advisor to chancellor Brüning; when Hitler took over, Schmitz then became his most trusted secret counselor . So well concealed was the association that the press had orders never to photograph them together . Schmitz was named an honorary member of the Reichstag, while his assistant, Carl Krauch, became Göring's principal advisor in carrying out the Nazis' Four Year Plan A business associate, Richard Krebs, later testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee, "The I.G. Farbenindustrie, I know from personal experience, was already, in 1934, completely in the hands of the Gestapo." This was a misstatement ; the I.G. Farben had merely allied itself with the Gestapo . An important step on the road to world monopoly was the most far-reaching corporation invented by the Rothschilds . This was the international drug and chemical cartel, I.G. Farben . Called "a state within a state," it was created in 1925 as Interessen Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie Aktien gesellschaft, usually known as I.G. Farben, which simply meant "The Cartel". It had originated in 1904, when the six major chemical companies in Germany began negotiations to form the ultimate cartel, merging Badische Anilin, Bayer, Agfa, Hoechst, Weiler-ter-Meer, and Greisheim-Electron . The guiding spirit, as well as the financing, came from the Rothschilds, who were represented by their German banker, Max Warburgs, of M.M. Warburg Company, Hamburg . He later headed the German Secret Service during World War I and was personal financial adviser to the Kaiser . When the Kaiser was overthrown, after losing the war, Max Warburg was not exiled with him to Holland, instead he became the financial adviser to the new government . Monarchs may come and go, but the real power remains with the bankers . While representing Germany at the Paris Peace Conference, Max Warburg spent pleasant hours renewing family ties with his brother, Paul Warburg, who, after drafting the Federal Reserve Act at Jekyll Island, had headed the U.S. banking system during the war . He was in Paris as Woodrow Wilson's financial advisor . I.G. Farben soon had a net worth of six billion marks, controlling some five hundred firms . Its first president was Professor Carl Bosch . During the period of the Weimar Republic, I.G. officials, seeing the handwriting on the wall, began a close association with Adolf Hitler, supplying much needed funds and political influence . The success of the I.G. Farben cartel had aroused the interest of other industrialists . Henry Ford was favorably impressed and set up a German branch of Ford Motor Company . Forty per cent of the stock was purchased by I.G. Farben . I.G. Farben then established an American subsidiary, called American I.G., in cooperation with Standard Oil of New Jersey . Its directors included Walter Teagle, president of Standard Oil, Paul Warburg of Kuhn Loeb & Company and Edsel Ford, representing the Ford interests. John Foster Dulles, for the law firm, Sullivan and Cromwell, became the attorney for I.G., frequently traveling between New York and Berlin on cartel business . His law partner, Arthur Dean, is now director of the $40 million Teagle Foundation which was set up before Teagle's death . Like other fortunes it had become part of the network . Like John Foster Dulles, Arthur Dean has been a director of American Banknote for many years; this is the firm which supplies the paper for our dollar bills . Dean also has been an active behind the scenes government negotiator, serving as arms negotiator at disarmament conferences . Dean was also a director of Rockefeller's American Ag & Chem Company . He was a director of American Solvay, American Metal and other firms . As attorney for the wealthy Hochschild family, who owned Climax Molybdenum and American Metal, Dean became director of their family foundation, the Hochschild Foundation . Dean is director emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Asia Foundation, International House, Carnegie Foundation, and the Sloan Kettering Cancer Center . In 1930, Standard Oil announced that it had purchased an alcohol monopoly in Germany, a deal which had been set up by I.G. Farben . After Hitler came to power, John D. Rockefeller assigned his personal press agent, Ivy Lee, to Hitler to serve as a full-time adviser on the rearmament of Germany, a necessary step for setting up World War II . Standard Oil then built large refineries in Germany for the Nazis and continued to supply them with oil during World War II . In the 1930s Standard Oil was receiving in payment from Germany large shipments of musical instruments and ships which had been built in German yards . ============ Then connect a few more dots about OBL's issues with US Impearlism being their main reason to attack the WTC. And one finds that Islam well knows what is attacking their interests. Keep in mind that the WTC's were a liabilty due to asbestos remediation and the New York Port authority dumped the WTC's for pennies on the dollar to Larry Silverstein. Then in place of doing asbestos remediation, it was spead across all of Manhattan and windfall profits were gained.

More of the sordid trail of power and control: http://www.apfn.net/rockefeller.htm Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands joined the SS during the early 1930s . He then joined the board of an I.G. subsidiary, Farben Bilder, from which he took the name of his postwar super-secret policy making group, the Bilderbergers . Farben executives played an important role in organizing the Circle of Friends for Heinrich Himmler, although it was initially known as Keppler's Circle of Friends, Keppler being the chairman of an I.G. subsidiary . His nephew, Fritz J. Kranefuss, was the personal assistant to Heinrich Himmler . Of the forty members of the Circle of Friends, which provided ample funds for Himmler, eight were executives of I.G. Farben or of its subsidiaries . In Tennessee, the Rockefeller representative was a Dr. Olin West, who moved on to Chicago to become the power behind the scenes at the American Medical Association for forty years, as secretary and general manager .

So, jump back into the 63 Dallas time frame and where was JFK heading. The "Dallas Trade Mart" by way of a crooked path from Dealey Plaza to line JFK up with the Dal-Tex Building's line of fire and a Grassy Knoll Concrete wall. Probably the most suppressed association for the JFK assassination is this Dallas Trade Mart Photo, and with due cause for its associations with other trade marts and Nagy. JFK's speech for this site was very militaristic supporting. Who lived in Dallas in 1963 but F. Nagy who has the huge connections with Clay Shaw and the New Orleans Trade Mart and then the Nagy Rome Trade Mart. Then PERMINDEX Trade Marts and the British Intelligence person in Montreal that owned most of PERMINDEX. PERMINDEX promotes corporate type IG Farben world control, even if it means permanent exposition via killing a US president. The CIA was into the business of killing other leaders or getting them ousted to gain control of corporate control of the country to one that supported US corporate exploitation. PERMINDEX was just the International Version of the same thing. They killed persons, or tried to, that got in the way of their corporate intentions. Nagy even offered the PERMINDEX services to the CIA. Even Hitler did the same type things using special caliber guns that became the NAZI hit signature, and all was then covered up. PERMINDEX was like a run away OSS organization with IG Farben like corporate intentions to take over the world for the British Empire's interests, which included Zionism.

If the shooters did well, they likely hid the gun between two of them at the Pergola's wall. So, the gun would not be seen and Jean would not have seen a shot fired by a gun in hand. The so called "Black Dog Man" is more than likely two people leaned on that wall to conceal a gun like the XP-100 between them. The other shooters spot at Dal-Tex had person on the fire escape to keep people away from the window and draw off attention as someone calmly just sitting there. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ3.htm Jean Hill would be able to hear where the very loud shot came from on the Grassy Knoll and point toward exactly where that shot came from and where two people were standing and see the "shooter". She points to exactly where the two people were leaned on the concrete wall as the firing position. It is highly logical, and does call in suspicion on the Zapruder and Secretary witnessing. There is little chance Jean Hill would miss hearing the direction for a shot fired perhaps 50 ft. from her location and right at her direction. Her eyes would snap to that location via hearing the direction of the loud sound. So, she is important to consider. Extremely important for the second head shot from the Knoll Area. It is a perfect no miss shot area from there. Highly logical firing area. She gets this correct, certified by two films. Bob Harris does the best video presentation as the "bulge" effect at the back of JFK's head: The "whole back" of Kennedy's head exploded as he was hit. No She told the Warren Commission that Kennedy's hair "rippled up" with no mention of the back of his head exploding. =========== She appears to get the shot numbers right, as I detect five. Heard four to six shots. Yes This places her among a tiny minority of witnesses who heard more than three shots, although there is no reason to doubt her sincerity. =========== She appears to have gotten the "Lamb-Chop" observation correct: Saw a little dog in the limo between John Kennedy and Jackie. Yes An odd but doubtless sincere observation. May have mistaken bouquet of chrysanthemums in limo for small dog. =========== I find her eye-witness recollection to be invaluable. As well as where JFK was headed next: Shades of New Orleans Trade Mart associations and PERMINDEX----and who lived in Dallas----Nagy.

We all wonder why Oliver Stone didn't get full license to tell the whole JFK story on PERMINDEX and their associations with Israel and British Intelligence, and especially the Montreal connections. Two book writers collaborated to dig up the dirt on Milchan with their book called “Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon Arnon Milchan,” written by Meir Doron and Joseph Gelman ========== http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/business/global/new-book-tells-tale-of-israeli-arms-dealer-in-hollywood.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss New Book Recounts Tale of Israeli Agent at Home in Hollywood New Book Recounts Tale of Israeli Agent at Home in Hollywood Hugh Hamilton for The New York Times Meir Doron, left, and Joseph Gelman wrote a book on Arnon Milchan, which says he at one point sold nuclear-triggering devices. By MICHAEL CIEPLY July 17, 2011 LOS ANGELES Never, never tell jokes about a man with easy access to weapons of mass destruction, Peter Chernin, a former News Corporation official, once light-heartedly warned of Arnon Milchan, who has long tantalized Hollywood with his dual identity as a producer of popular movies and a businessman tied to the arms industry. Enlarge This Image Chris Pizzello/Associated Press Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie with Arnon Milchan, a producer of Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Mr. Chernin may have been even more right than he knew. Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon Arnon Milchan, written by Meir Doron and Joseph Gelman, and set for publication on July 30 by Gefen Books, now holds that Mr. Milchan whose credits include Love and Other Drugs and Knight and Day at least through the mid-1980s was a full-fledged operative for Israels top-secret intelligence agency, Lakam. (The acronym is from the Hebrew for the blandly named Science Liaison Bureau.) In that capacity, according to the book, Mr. Milchan supervised government-backed accounts and front companies that financed the special needs of the entirety of Israels intelligence operations outside the country. The special needs serviced by Mr. Milchan, who is now 66 years old, included buying components to build and maintain Israels nuclear arsenal. But with the indictment in 1985 of Richard Kelly Smyth, an aerospace executive who had made illegal shipments of nuclear triggers through Milchan companies, Mr. Milchan unexpectedly found his arms-dealing in the news even as he was wrangling with Universal Pictures over the near collapse of a movie, Brazil, directed by Terry Gilliam. Mr. Smyth became a fugitive. He was finally arrested in 2001, convicted and imprisoned. He was released on probation in 2005. Mr. Milchan was not accused of wrongdoing, but the case drew scrutiny to his activities in the arms business even as he stepped up his film career under deals first at Warner Brothers, then at 20th Century Fox, whose parent company bought a stake in his Regency Enterprises. In the glow of friendships with the likes of Brad Pitt and Robert De Niro, speculation about his intrigues seemed to fade until a pair of unlikely biographers decided to figure out why Israel had been filtering a large part of its military budget through Hollywood hands. Mr. Doron spoke recently over coffee at a patio cafe here, expressing puzzlement at Israels reliance on a middleman to broker deals that seemingly could have been made without the services of his Milchan Brothers umbrella company and affiliates. He was flanked by Mr. Gelman, who sipped watermelon juice, and joined in explaining how the two who are brothers-in-law conceived of writing about Mr. Milchan, who had been vaguely identified in Israels press as the Chuck Norris of the Lakam. Mr. Gelman, who was born in the United States, had lived in Israel and served as a paratrooper during the 1982 war in Lebanon. Mr. Doron had been a writer and editor specializing in Israeli military issues. Never having written together, they began culling public records and published accounts. Eventually, they met Mr. Smyth, who was by then living in Lompoc, Calif., and, with his story in hand, cobbled together a draft of their book before approaching Mr. Milchan. Should I be concerned? Mr. Milchan asked during a first conversation by phone in 2009, Mr. Gelman said. A major worry, Mr. Gelman told him, was the impression that he had profited hugely from Israels security dilemmas. I did it for my country, the money did not go to me, Mr. Gelman recalled Mr. Milchan explaining, when the three later met, and began a series of sessions that went on for six months. Mr. Milchans disclaimer about profiteering provoked further research into how various companies set up by Mr. Milchan or associated with Milchan Brothers traded in arms for Israel and other countries. While doing so, he set aside money in accounts for use by Israel, allowing that countrys prime minister to execute decisions beyond Israels borders without the need for the formal budgeting, cabinet approvals, petty internal politics, or leaks to the press that might endanger the operation. In the end, the book was not authorized by Mr. Milchan. The account was based partly on interviews with the likes of Shimon Peres, the Israeli president who, according to the book, acknowledged having recruited Mr. Milchan as a clandestine operative. Confidential was sold to Gefen Publishing by David Kuhn, a literary agent who was previously an editor at Brills Content and The New Yorker. Its narrative follows Mr. Milchan through his first acquaintance with the arms business via his fathers company, through his introduction to Israels nuclear program by Mr. Peres and the Lakam chief, Benjamin Blumberg. After the 1973 Yom Kippur war, Mr. Milchan began acquiring both big-ticket conventional weapons and krytrons, devices that can trigger nuclear bombs. In the middle of it all, he was introduced to the film business by Elliott Kastner, now deceased, the American producer with whom he collaborated on a 1977 picture, The Stick-Up. Mr. Milchan thought the movie bad enough to remove his credit but he immediately backed another film, Black Joy, that appeared at the Cannes Film Festival. By the early 1980s, Mr. Milchan was a force in Hollywood, with a growing string of credits on films like The King of Comedy and Once Upon a Time in America, both with Mr. De Niro and the movies soon became not just convenient cover, but a full-blown second career. In the late 1990s, the News Corporation, which owns Fox, paid $200 million for a 20 percent stake in Mr. Milchans Regency Enterprises. A News Corporation spokeswoman, Teri Everett, had no immediate response to a query about the companys reason for backing Mr. Milchan, and about any reaction by its chief executive, Rupert Murdoch, to revelations in the new book. (Mr. Milchans latest film for Fox, the comedy Monte Carlo, opened to soft reviews and modest prospects a few weeks ago.) Asked whether Mr. Milchan would discuss the book, his executive assistant, Jane Bulmer, said he was traveling and out of reach. But, Ms. Bulmer said in an e-mail, Mr. Milchan had told her that he has not read the book and does not plan on commenting on any unauthorized books that have been written about him. As for Mr. Milchans current status with Israeli intelligence, Mr. Gelman and Mr. Doron declined to venture a guess. We really dont know with certainty, Mr. Gelman said. =========

Most of the Bush and TSBD photos show up as resolution limited like this one below. There is only so much detail and that detail magnified should be blurred. It appears the previous photo has had some sharpening, an alteration which will modify the original content and depending upon the shadows and settings, change the original photo significantly. Those shadows, when sharpened image techniques are used, can clip the nose, change the width of the tie. Accentuate the light area under the tie that really can't be seen in the original blurred content of the photo. Just too much tampering with the previous photo to suit me. From the untouched original, Obviously one cannot see features like hair textures or the very sharply defined ornamental block walls in these original photos that are not retouched or sharpened. So, folks need to go check the originals----not the ones with details changed.

I was looking for the Sun's angle in photos per the Bush in Dealey plaza photos and tripped on this little gem from Jean Hill and her Sun shadow that day. Can We ignore an eyewitness to the shooter's location? This is the area for what is called "Black Dog Man" by some, two Black People by Zapruder's secretary. Perhaps, these so called Black persons were dark skinned Corsican shooters. One perhaps even a female and just sitting on the park bench until time to jump up and take the shot. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm Jean Hill: The Lady in Red "It was right up there. The man was shooting from right just this side of that tree . . . that large tree, and that's where I saw the shot come from" -- Jean Hill in 1992 video Beyond JFK (above).

I would think so, per Sun's shadow. There was still a good crowd around in these photos, so it is within perhaps an hour of the aftermath. Compariing the shadow length and angle from a Zapruder Frame:

See if this one pulls up from different server. img600.imageshack.us/img600/7272/poppyindealeyplaza.jpg

Hi Kathy, I'll try sending directly to your email, or what I think is your email on AOL. Let me know if that works. Really odd this won't show up, as it comes through here fine on the Forum board. Anyone else have trouble seeing this poppyindealyplaza jpg pic? j

So, what did we learn from looking at the alledged "British Nobility" and the history of the "Black Nobility" of greater Europe? Well, perhaps, that the British "Windsors" are a bunch of name changers and are really of German ancestory. Stemming from the Welf and Guelphs of Europe. Perhaps even that their Bankers were a bunch of name changers also from Germany that changed names from "Bauer" to "Rothschilds". And then when Hitler kicked them out of Germany, they went crying to the British Monarchy, as they were actually Germans too. ====== http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret18.htm There is a lot of name changing going on with the British Royals. In 1714 the scene was set for the takeover of the British Crown by the German Black Nobility family, the Hanovers. They were closely connected with the House of Hesse which would become the launch pad for the House of Rothschild. The first Hanoverian king was George I. He couldn’t even speak English and refused to learn. He began life as minor German nobility, a great grandson of the infamous James I, and ended it as King of Great Britain. It was now, during the First World War, that the name of the royal house was changed from the German "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" to the House of "Windsor". The German name, "Battenberg", was also changed at the same time, 1917, to the anglicised, "Mountbatten". The only reason for this sudden switch was public relations. The Germans and the British were slaughtering each other in the trenches of northern France at the time. By this time the British Empire controlled 40 per cent of the Earth’s land mass and more than a fifth of the population. It was the biggest empire the world had ever seen. Victoria married Prince Albert of the German Black Nobility House of "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" and had nine children who married into the other royal families (family) of Europe. Victoria has an image of being very straight-laced, but like the Rothschilds, Winston Churchill, and other apparent pillars of the establishment, she was a frequent user of cocaine and heroin.’3 He was born in Corfu, the son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Princess Alice of Battenberg, the great granddaughter of Queen Victoria. Philip, a Battenberg, took the anglicized version of Mountbatten and, after his marriage to Elizabeth, the British Royal house became the House of Windsor-Mountbatten. Or rather it was "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg". This arranged marriage was orchestrated by Lord Louis "Dickie" Mountbatten, Prince Philip's uncle. ===== In this write up one finds the slang "reptilian"----this traces the associations of Christ toward the 2nd temple being a band of snakes due to the Babylon Talmud's corruption of their religion. The 2nd temple was corrupted by the Babylon Talmud, thus the associations of the British Royals with Reptile snakes as they stem from that Royal linage, and London referred to as a "New Babylon". What else did all these name changer Germans like? IG Farben and its success. We only think the concept of IG Farbin was broken up under antitrust and monopoly laws, as its concepts are still alive and well at much higher corporation ownership levels. Even the concept of IG Farbin's Industrial Espeonage is well under the DISC concept. History: The formation of a profit pool or "Interessen-Gemeinschaft" (abbr. IG, lit. "Community of interest"). This cooperation started in WWI and became more formal in 1925. IG Farben (full German name "Interessen Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie Aktiengesellschaft") The land for the IG Farben HQ building came from the Rothschilds. After WWII, the building was intact and used as General Eisenhower's HQ, as Supreme Headquarters, Allied European Forces. That Eisenhower worked at the IG Farbin HQ gave him unique insights into the power of Corporation Community of Interests and that he could well spot a Mil / Ind network problem of it controlling US Government for its own self interests. Subsequently, everything about "IG Farben" became US property after the war and a huge model for US corporate Industry. The US taking of IG Farben's patents placed the US industry at least ten years ahead suddenly. It had become a part of Rockefeller's Standard Oil, pre war. Prescott Bush was tied to them. Its model became the Mil/Ind Network in the US. The rise of this "corporate power" in the US became the warning of Eisenhower to JFK, as DDE handed off the Presidency to JFK. All the IG Farben concepts are still in play at the highest levels of corporate ownership, where it is better hidden. Today, the net concept of IG Farben continues as the "Bilderburg Conference" to decide what corporation "community of interest" push to focus upon by the richest oligarchs. Meanwhile a stateside Bilderburg like fraternity is the Bohemian Grove Group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove If you become a good member, they acquaint one with all the ancient knowledge of how the Royals came to power and how you can help the Company Interests. Their Old Guards are the ones that know these histories and support the oligarchic empirism. Notice Glenn Seaborg was a big Bohemian Grove person, as head of the US Atomic Energy Commission. And lots of presidents on the evil side of things are Bohemian Grove members. ====================== The Germans had a really big plan in Europe. http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/brussels_eu/roots/33_ribbentrop_european_confederation.html

Kathy, See if this pulls up 4 u. It should be a standard .jpg http://www.doewatch.com/jfk/poppyindealeyplaza.jpg It pulls up on my computer here like normal. and in the body of the Forum listing. Here is the direct file link, if all else fails: doewatch.com/jfk/poppyindealeyplaza.jpg Just add the http front end and go direct to the photo.

JFK was opting out of the Indochina racket Wars are a racket: ======= http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/wwi.htm It has also been written by historical researchers that the reason the war was held off until 1914 was that the same group that orchestrates and executes wars -- the International Zionist Bankers - first wanted the U.S. to pass the Federal Reserve Act so the American people could pay for the costs of the war. The Federal Reserve Act passed in December, 1913, The Great War broke out in 1914, as planned. We've paid and paid and paid. ======== and the Racketeers are: http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm and more of their methods: http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-1/ww1.htm and JFK was sure to have read the 1935 Major General Smedly Butler enlightenments on wars for racketers: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html and Smedley was one of the first to out the "Mil/Ind Network" to which DDE spoke upon turning office over to JFK, and also one who told of a plan to overthrow FDR, who knew all about the Royals and their power: ========== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler In his 1935 book War is a Racket, he described the workings of the military-industrial complex and, after retiring from service, became a popular speaker at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists and church groups in the 1930s. In 1934 he was involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists had approached him to lead a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt. ============

Even better view of the problem JFK was going to address from the URL for the full article. There is a much longer read in the URL web page. ======== http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25179 In 1789 Alexander Hamilton became the first Treasury Secretary of the United States. Hamilton was one of many Founding Fathers who were Freemasons. He had close relations with the Rothschild family which owns the Bank of England and leads the European Freemason movement. George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Jay, Ethan Allen, Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, John Brown and Roger Sherman were all Masons. Andrew Hamilton Roger Livingston helped Sherman and Franklin write the Declaration of Independence. He gave George Washington his oaths of office while he was Grand Master of the New York Grand Lodge of Freemasons. Washington himself was Grand Master of the Virginia Lodge. Of the General Officers in the Revolutionary Army, thirty-three were Masons. This was highly symbolic since 33rd Degree Masons become Illuminated. [1] Populist founding fathers led by John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and Thomas Paine- none of whom were Masons- wanted to completely severe ties with the British Crown, but were overruled by the Masonic faction led by Washington, Hamilton and Grand Master of the St. Andrews Lodge in Boston General Joseph Warren, who wanted to “defy Parliament but remain loyal to the Crown”. St. Andrews Lodge was the hub of New World Masonry and began issuing Knights Templar Degrees in 1769. [2] General Joseph Warren All US Masonic lodges are to this day warranted by the British Crown, whom they serve as a global intelligence and counterrevolutionary subversion network. Their most recent initiative is the Masonic Child Identification Program (CHIP). According to Wikipedia, the CHIP programs allow parents the opportunity to create a kit of identifying materials for their child, free of charge. The kit contains a fingerprint card, a physical description, a video, computer disk, or DVD of the child, a dental imprint, and a DNA sample. The First Continental Congress convened in Philadelphia in 1774 under the Presidency of Peyton Randolph, who succeeded Washington as Grand Master of the Virginia Lodge. The Second Continental Congress convened in 1775 under the Presidency of Freemason John Hancock. Peyton’s brother William succeeded him as Virginia Lodge Grand Master and became the leading proponent of centralization and federalism at the First Constitutional Convention in 1787. The federalism at the heart of the US Constitution is identical to the federalism laid out in the Freemason’s Anderson’s Constitutions of 1723. William Randolph became the nation’s first Attorney General and Secretary of State under George Washington. His family returned to England loyal to the Crown. John Marshall, the nation’s first Supreme Court Justice, was also a Mason. [3] When Benjamin Franklin journeyed to France to seek financial help for American revolutionaries, his meetings took place at Rothschild banks. He brokered arms sales via German Mason Baron von Steuben. His Committees of Correspondence operated through Freemason channels and paralleled a British spy network. In 1776 Franklin became de facto Ambassador to France. In 1779 he became Grand Master of the French Neuf Soeurs (Nine Sisters) Lodge, to which John Paul Jones and Voltaire belonged. Franklin was also a member of the more secretive Royal Lodge of Commanders of the Temple West of Carcasonne, whose members included Frederick Prince of Whales. While Franklin preached temperance in the US, he cavorted wildly with his Lodge brothers in Europe. Franklin served as Postmaster General from the 1750’s to 1775 - a role traditionally relegated to British spies. [4] With Rothschild financing Alexander Hamilton founded two New York banks, including Bank of New York. [5] He died in a gun battle with Aaron Burr, who founded Bank of Manhattan with Kuhn Loeb financing. Hamilton exemplified the contempt which the Eight Families hold towards common people, once stating, “All communities divide themselves into the few and the many. The first are the rich and the well born, the others the mass of the people...The people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge and determine right. Give therefore to the first class a distinct, permanent share of government. They will check the unsteadiness of the second.”[6] Hamilton was only the first in a series of Eight Families cronies to hold the key position of Treasury Secretary. In recent times Kennedy Treasury Secretary Douglas Dillon came from Dillon Read (now part of UBS Warburg). Nixon Treasury Secretaries David Kennedy and William Simon came from Continental Illinois Bank (now part of Bank of America) and Salomon Brothers (now part of Citigroup), respectively. Carter Treasury Secretary Michael Blumenthal came from Goldman Sachs, Reagan Treasury Secretary Donald Regan came from Merrill Lynch (now part of Bank of America), Bush Sr. Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady came from Dillon Read (UBS Warburg) and both Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and Bush Jr. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson came from Goldman Sachs. Obama Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner worked at Kissinger Associates and the New York Fed. Thomas Jefferson argued that the United States needed a publicly-owned central bank so that European monarchs and aristocrats could not use the printing of money to control the affairs of the new nation. Jefferson extolled, “A country which expects to remain ignorant and free...expects that which has never been and that which will never be. There is scarcely a King in a hundred who would not, if he could, follow the example of Pharaoh – get first all the people’s money, then all their lands and then make them and their children servants forever...banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy.” Jefferson watched as the Euro-banking conspiracy to control the United States unfolded, weighing in, “Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day, but a series of oppressions begun at a distinguished period, unalterable through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery”. [7[ But the Rothschild-sponsored Hamilton’s arguments for a private US central bank carried the day. In 1791 the Bank of the United States (BUS) was founded, with the Rothschilds as main owners. The bank’s charter was to run out in 1811. Public opinion ran in favor of revoking the charter and replacing it with a Jeffersonian public central bank. The debate was postponed as the nation was plunged by the Euro-bankers into the War of 1812. Amidst a climate of fear and economic hardship, Hamilton’s bank got its charter renewed in 1816. Old Hickory, Honest Abe & Camelot In 1828 Andrew Jackson took a run at the US Presidency. Throughout his campaign he railed against the international bankers who controlled the BUS. Jackson ranted, “You are a den of vipers. I intend to expose you and by Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people understood the rank injustices of our money and banking system there would be a revolution before morning.” Jackson won the election and revoked the bank’s charter stating, “The Act seems to be predicated on an erroneous idea that the present shareholders have a prescriptive right to not only the favor, but the bounty of the government...for their benefit does this Act exclude the whole American people from competition in the purchase of this monopoly. Present stockholders and those inheriting their rights as successors be established a privileged order, clothed both with great political power and enjoying immense pecuniary advantages from their connection with government. Should its influence be concentrated under the operation of such an Act as this, in the hands of a self-elected directory whose interests are identified with those of the foreign stockholders, will there not be cause to tremble for the independence of our country in war...controlling our currency, receiving our public monies and holding thousands of our citizens independence, it would be more formidable and dangerous than the naval and military power of the enemy. It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government for selfish purposes...to make the rich richer and more powerful. Many of our rich men have not been content with equal protection and equal benefits, but have besought us to make them richer by acts of Congress. I have done my duty to this country.”[8] Populism prevailed and Jackson was re-elected. In 1835 he was the target of an assassination attempt. The gunman was Richard Lawrence, who confessed that he was, “in touch with the powers in Europe”. [9] Still, in 1836 Jackson refused to renew the BUS charter. Under his watch the US national debt went to zero for the first and last time in our nation’s history. This angered the international bankers, whose primary income is derived from interest payments on debt. BUS President Nicholas Biddle cut off funding to the US government in 1842, plunging the US into a depression. Biddle was an agent for the Paris-based Jacob Rothschild. [10] The Mexican War was simultaneously sprung on Jackson. A few years later the Civil War was unleashed, with London bankers backing the Union and French bankers backing the South. The Lehman family made a fortune smuggling arms to the south and cotton to the north. By 1861 the US was $100 million in debt. New President Abraham Lincoln snubbed the Euro-bankers again, issuing Lincoln Greenbacks to pay Union Army bills. The Rothschild-controlled Times of London wrote, “If that mischievous policy, which had its origins in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe. [11] ============= This article continues on the URL, and there is more informative reading at: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=listByAuthor&authorFirst=Dean&authorName=Henderson and here: http://deanhenderson.wordpress.com/ JFK was killed, just like Lincoln, for taking on the British Empire's methods of money exploitation and increasing their economic controls over regions. MLK was killed for similar and knowing the British role in slavery and the drug attacks on the Blacks of the South to destabilize their efforts. Both methods of Economic Exploitation mean't to harm America. The Enemy of America has become this Economic Royal Oligarchic control. The US needs to terminate the Federal Reserve system, NOW, and complete JFK's job. This issue is the real National Security Risk to Americans.

JFK had studied US Government Economic History and found the Monarchy Problem, and he intended to address that problem and lots of the others that involved exploitation by the Monarchy or European Royals. The Monarchy (aka Royals in FDR's terms) owned the CIA and Hoover. The JFK assassination was so much bigger than just some Mafia Crooks, or out of control Cuban Rebels, or CIA renegades, or Pentagon JCS. The JFK hit used the thousand year old methods of the British Oligarchs, that killed many people before JFK. Their instrument was PERMINDEX and British Intelligence in Montreal, and their alliances with the above to help cover up their murder of JFK. Some rather stunning logic as to why the US is bankrupted by these Royal's Crooks who kill people to keep their undeserved economic position. But for these Crooks killing the greater US leaders, the US would be able to lead the world, enjoy peace, and take excellent care of all of its citizens. Until the dumbed down American Public awakens to the magnitude of what killed JFK, it is doomed to repeat history and perhaps distroy the United States from their vapid mindlessness. Dumb Americans tossed their Freedom into the trash can long ago. The US should have had dozens of replacements to follow along behind Lincoln or JFK, so that their killings would have done no good. But in the American Freedom, their stupidity is supreme. ======== http://www.economicnoise.com/2011/06/10/central-banking-from-an-historical-perspective/ The Federal Reserve Cartel: Freemasons and The House of Rothschild by Dean Henderson ~ Global Research.com Excerpt: Thomas Jefferson argued that the United States needed a publicly-owned central bank so that European monarchs and aristocrats could not use the printing of money to control the affairs of the new nation. Jefferson extolled, “A country which expects to remain ignorant and free…expects that which has never been and that which will never be. There is scarcely a King in a hundred who would not, if he could, follow the example of Pharaoh – get first all the people’s money, then all their lands and then make them and their children servants forever…banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy.” Jefferson watched as the Euro-banking conspiracy to control the United States unfolded, weighing in, “Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day, but a series of oppressions begun at a distinguished period, unalterable through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery”. [7[ But the Rothschild-sponsored Hamilton’s arguments for a private US central bank carried the day. In 1791 the Bank of the United States (BUS) was founded, with the Rothschilds as main owners. The bank’s charter was to run out in 1811. Public opinion ran in favor of revoking the charter and replacing it with a Jeffersonian public central bank. The debate was postponed as the nation was plunged by the Euro-bankers into the War of 1812. Amidst a climate of fear and economic hardship, Hamilton’s bank got its charter renewed in 1816. In 1828 Andrew Jackson took a run at the US Presidency. Throughout his campaign he railed against the international bankers who controlled the BUS. Jackson ranted, “You are a den of vipers. I intend to expose you and by Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people understood the rank injustices of our money and banking system there would be a revolution before morning.” Populism prevailed and Jackson was re-elected. In 1835 he was the target of an assassination attempt. The gunman was Richard Lawrence, who confessed that he was, “in touch with the powers in Europe”. [9] Still, in 1836 Jackson refused to renew the BUS charter. Under his watch the US national debt went to zero for the first and last time in our nation’s history. This angered the international bankers, whose primary income is derived from interest payments on debt. BUS President Nicholas Biddle cut off funding to the US government in 1842, plunging the US into a depression. Biddle was an agent for the Paris-based Jacob Rothschild. [10] The Rothschild-controlled Times of London wrote, “If that mischievous policy, which had its origins in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.” [11] ================= It should be very clear as to who JFK determined the Enemy of the US to be. While JFK knew this factor well, all the myriad of faked up stories to keep the American Public's mind on anything and everything but this is the issue. It is a very intentional set of diversions to keep the typical dumbed down American chasing their tails like a Dog spinning and spinning and kept dizzy. For most of the world that knows these problems and sees how serious they have become, they can only call America as inept.

Kathy, There are several of these Bush-41 pictures of him standing in the road where JFK was shot. I've seen this one zoomed in and taken from the Grassy Knoll sidewalk, and one other one of him standing in the road in front of what appeared to be the Press Bus.

Nobody believes only 3 shots, except for Mr. Case Closed, Gerald Posner. Many tell he wrote the book just to make money off the Company Line. That darn tell-tale Dictaphone recording, there are 4 obvious shots and 5, if you listen real close. Then that darn Zapruder Film shows Dynamic reaction motion from two bullets hitting JFK nearly at the same time. Can't ignore such real science. ========= Nor can anyone ignore these Company Orders to cover-up the JFK assassination for the oligarch's Corporate networks. The IG Farbin success was too much to walk away from, so it morphed into a system run by these oligarchs. So, now we have the Company Men---aka the CIA----running cover up and hiding this huge Royalist's network or Mil/Ind Network that hides those that run things and pull the strings behind corporate structures. http://mtracy9.tripod.com/cia_instructions.htm CIA Document #1035-960, marked "PSYCH" for presumably Psychological Warfare Operations, in the division "CS", the Clandestine Services, sometimes known as the "dirty tricks" department. RE: Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report 1. Our Concern. From the day of President Kennedy's assassination on, there has been speculation about the responsibility for his murder. Although this was stemmed for a time by the Warren Commission report, (which appeared at the end of September 1964), various writers have now had time to scan the Commission's published report and documents for new pretexts for questioning, and there has been a new wave of books and articles criticizing the Commission's findings. In most cases the critics have speculated as to the existence of some kind of conspiracy, and often they have implied that the Commission itself was involved. Presumably as a result of the increasing challenge to the Warren Commission's report, a public opinion poll recently indicated that 46% of the American public did not think that Oswald acted alone, while more than half of those polled thought that the Commission had left some questions unresolved. Doubtless polls abroad would show similar, or possibly more adverse results. 2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization. The members of the Warren Commission were naturally chosen for their integrity, experience and prominence. They represented both major parties, and they and their staff were deliberately drawn from all sections of the country. Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society. Moreover, there seems to be an increasing tendency to hint that President Johnson himself, as the one person who might be said to have benefited, was in some way responsible for the assassination. Innuendo of such seriousness affects not only the individual concerned, but also the whole reputation of the American government. Our organization itself is directly involved: among other facts, we contributed information to the investigation. Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments. 3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the assassination question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active [business] addresses are requested: a. To discuss the publicity problem with [?] and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors), pointing out that the Warren Commission made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by Communist propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation. b. To employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (II) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories. In the course of discussions of the whole phenomenon of criticism, a useful strategy may be to single out Epstein's theory for attack, using the attached Fletcher [?] article and Spectator piece for background. (Although Mark Lane's book is much less convincing that Epstein's and comes off badly where confronted by knowledgeable critics, it is also much more difficult to answer as a whole, as one becomes lost in a morass of unrelated details.) 4. In private to media discussions not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful: a. No significant new evidence has emerged which the Commission did not consider. The assassination is sometimes compared (e.g., by Joachim Joesten and Bertrand Russell) with the Dreyfus case; however, unlike that case, the attack on the Warren Commission have produced no new evidence, no new culprits have been convincingly identified, and there is no agreement among the critics. (A better parallel, though an imperfect one, might be with the Reichstag fire of 1933, which some competent historians (Fritz Tobias, AJ.P. Taylor, D.C. Watt) now believe was set by Vander Lubbe on his own initiative, without acting for either Nazis or Communists; the Nazis tried to pin the blame on the Communists, but the latter have been more successful in convincing the world that the Nazis were to blame.) b. Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others. They tend to place more emphasis on the recollections of individual witnesses (which are less reliable and more divergent--and hence offer more hand-holds for criticism) and less on ballistics, autopsy, and photographic evidence. A close examination of the Commission's records will usually show that the conflicting eyewitness accounts are quoted out of context, or were discarded by the Commission for good and sufficient reason. c. Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States, esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc. Note that Robert Kennedy, Attorney General at the time and John F. Kennedy's brother, would be the last man to overlook or conceal any conspiracy. And as one reviewer pointed out, Congressman Gerald R. Ford would hardly have held his tongue for the sake of the Democratic administration, and Senator Russell would have had every political interest in exposing any misdeeds on the part of Chief Justice Warren. A conspirator moreover would hardly choose a location for a shooting where so much depended on conditions beyond his control: the route, the speed of the cars, the moving target, the risk that the assassin would be discovered. A group of wealthy conspirators could have arranged much more secure conditions. d. Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it; they also scoff at the Commission because it did not always answer every question with a flat decision one way or the other. Actually, the make-up of the Commission and its staff was an excellent safeguard against over-commitment to any one theory, or against the illicit transformation of probabilities into certainties. e. Oswald would not have been any sensible person's choice for a co-conspirator. He was a "loner," mixed up, of questionable reliability and an unknown quantity to any professional intelligence service. [Archivist's note: This claim is demonstrably untrue with the latest file releases. The CIA had an operational interest in Oswald less than a month before the assassination. Source: Oswald and the CIA, John Newman and newly released files from the National Archives.] f. As to charges that the Commission's report was a rush job, it emerged three months after the deadline originally set. But to the degree that the Commission tried to speed up its reporting, this was largely due to the pressure of irresponsible speculation already appearing, in some cases coming from the same critics who, refusing to admit their errors, are now putting out new criticisms. g. Such vague accusations as that "more than ten people have died mysteriously" can always be explained in some natural way e.g.: the individuals concerned have for the most part died of natural causes; the Commission staff questioned 418 witnesses (the FBI interviewed far more people, conduction 25,000 interviews and re interviews), and in such a large group, a certain number of deaths are to be expected. (When Penn Jones, one of the originators of the "ten mysterious deaths" line, appeared on television, it emerged that two of the deaths on his list were from heart attacks, one from cancer, one was from a head-on collision on a bridge, and one occurred when a driver drifted into a bridge abutment.) 5. Where possible, counter speculation by encouraging reference to the Commission's Report itself. Open-minded foreign readers should still be impressed by the care, thoroughness, objectivity and speed with which the Commission worked. Reviewers of other books might be encouraged to add to their account the idea that, checking back with the report itself, they found it far superior to the work of its critics. =========== PERMENDEX = Permanent Industrial Expositions = Death for going against the Company's Corporations.

JFK certainly stepped on these toes via the US Notes: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretsoc_20century/secretsoc_20century04.htm#CHAPTER How about the financial state of the United States of America? The U.S. President THOMAS JEFFERSON and BENJAMIN FRANKLIN were inimical to the establishment of a private central bank for the control of the U.S. currency. After Franklin’s death in 1790 the Rothschild agents got ALEXANDER HAMILTON appointed as secretary of the treasury. In 1791 he created the “FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF THE UNITED STATES”, the first central bank fashioned after the “Bank of England” and controlled by the Rothschilds. In 1811, when the contract of the bank with the U.S. lapsed, the American economy was so destabilized that the contract was not renewed for five years. The Rothschilds then used their influence in the British Parliament to have England reclaim her colonies in America. This led to the 1812-1815 war. The war again put the U.S. so much in debt that they had to ask the bankers once more for loans (i.e. the central bank). In 1836, under President Andrew Jackson, the central bank was again disapproved, but it got the concession back in 1863 and in 1913 became the “Federal Reserve Bank”, today’s central bank of the U.S. (more details will follow).

Hello Bill, I suppose it might be worth a try. Just need some UK person that knows how to file a UK FOIA request and see what they say. I'd think the UK would have things tied up with some of the Official Secrets Act issues, and they don't want to give up much on JFK, as the dirt trail leads back to them. The Royal's image might get soiled for being too much into exploitive methods to control and fund their Empire. Give it a try and see. Ask for the AF1 info. In a few cases, like this article, there are UK leaks that lead to a better understanding and associations. The UK should have a huge file on the JFK and other assassinations. Nigel Turner, from the UK, did some of the most epic documentary video work on JFK via that TMWKK series for the History Channel, with the banned Episodes 7, 8, 9 getting really close. See what Nigel Turner is doing these days and tell him about Bloomfield and the PERMINDEX death unit, and let him do a little work up on the European "Black Nobilty" (The Royals) and the issues of the "Stuarts" and 'Windsors" linked to the Welf and Guelph issues with the Vatican. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret18.htm Between European Royal Wealth and the UK Crown wealth from the same problems, the "Royals" have been doing this kill the problem for a thousand years. It is time the UK and Europe start to learn their real history and the issues of exploitation going beyond their Colony type exploitation. It is also past due for Americans to learn the same dirty and sorted history, expecially as it applies to JFK. MKL, and even Abe Lincoln. The America might rediscovered "Liberty", as it discovers real history. Sounds like a fine job for a History Channel---even if we have to make our own videos to get the job done. jp