Thomas Graves

Jimbo, It wasn't a petition for cryin' out loud. I wasn't trying to get him on some ballot or kicked off the forum. It was a poll. I wanted to see what other members thought of him, and why. All done with the realistic expectation that most of us would reply negatively, and the naive hope that we could motivate him to tone it down a bit; to post less often, to post shorter posts, and to become less pedantic. I never made a "180" regarding Trejo, i.e., a radical change in my thinking about him, his theory, and his irritating way of lecturing us about Walker ad nauseum. If I remember correctly (and that's a big "if"), Trejo contacted me by PM after we had, on the "threads," expressed a common interest in the possibility that Morales monitored Oswald in New Orleans on August 9, 1963, and politely asked me to forward a question to a moderator as to what he had to do to get reinstated. I figured he asked me to help him this way because he and I had recently experienced a minor thawing in our cold relationship (i.e., he finally seemed to agree with me that I'd spotted "El Indio" in the Jim Doyle film), and he couldn't think of anyone else to turn to. The ironic thing is that Trejo could have sent a PM to a moderator himself, if he had known which "link" / page to go to. In no way did he ask me to Intercede (with a capital "I") for him or to plead his case to a moderator. And I didn't volunteer to do so. Nice guy that I am, I forwarded his desperate question to a moderator, and when she sent me one back with instructions for Trejo, I forwarded said instructions to him. Wouldn't you have done the same, Jimbo? Or aren't you a nice guy? It's all very suspicious, isn't it, Jimbo? Sorry to be so ... emotional ... there at the very end, but not for calling you "Jimbo," James, because I mean that's just a term of endearment. Right? --Tommy

Well, Tommy, I didn't realize that you vouched for me with the Forum moderators when I was banned back in November. Thanks! As for Hemming's confession to A.J. Weberman (Coup D'Etat in America, 1975) that Hemming from Miami called LHO on a public phone in Dallas on 11/21/1963 and offered LHO double the price of his Manlicher-Carcano rifle if he'd bring it to the TSBD on the morning of 11/22/1963 -- I have a revision. There is no evidence that LHO took a package inside the TSBD that day. Therefore, to justify Hemming's confession, we must posit that LHO took that long package (that both Linnie Mae Randle and her teenage brother, Wesley Frazier saw that morning) to some confederate of Hemming's outside of the TSBD, somewhere in the vicinity of the back door. That confederate, then, by logical extrapolation, handed the rifle over to the DPD, who themselves planted it on the 6th floor of the TSBD. Remember that the DPD had three eye-witness reports before 12:35pm that a rifle was seen on a 5th or 6th floor window, Southeast corner of the TSBD -- yet the bullets that were alleged found by that window were not reported until 1:15pm. Did it really take the DPD 40 minutes to climb up six floors to check by those windows? No. Most likely, the DPD took 40 minutes to plant the evidence in a way that the Crime Lab would soon photograph. That means that long before 1:15pm, when the 6th floor was finally ready for the Frame, shots were fired from LHO's Manlicher-Carcano rifle, and the hulls and spent shells were carefully collected to be planted after 12:30pm. WHO DID THIS? Just as Michael and Ruth Paine said: "those who published the WANTED:JFK handbill and the WELCOME MISTER KENNEDY TO DALLAS black-bordered Ad in the DMV," which the Warren Report correctly named as Robert Allen Surrey, and General Walker's JBS minions. Among them we must especially identify those inside the DPD (like Roscoe White and J.D. Tippit). Makes perfect sense to me. (With extra thanks to Gerry Patrick Hemming, A.J. Weberman, Ricky White and Jeff Caufield.) Regards, --Paul Trejo Word Twister, That's fascinating, but I didn't actually "vouch" for you. All I did was forward your question (about what you had to do to get reinstated) to one of the moderators, as you requested in your PM to me, and then I relayed her answer to you. And highly emotional, slightly paranoiac (IMHO) Mr. DiEugenio has held it against me ever since. --Tommy

Thanks Jon. You complimented me on it once before. I think I told you some time ago that after having taught English in the Czech Republic for seven years (and proudly setting their rote-learning educational system back a good ten with my over-the-top "Socratic" approach), I returned home to La Jolla, California, where my adoptive father corrected me one day, and taught me the simple grammar rule "the gerund takes the possessive." The funny thing is that it sometimes sounds either too formal or downright wrong, so maybe it's a good thing I didn't know that rule at the time because I probaly would have tried to teach it to my students. LOL --Tommy

--Tommy bumped

Mr. DiEugenio, What were you trying to say when you wrote, "I tried to say that [sic] hold it ..." ? Regardless... My statement that you are, imho, way too emotional and, (imho), a little bit paranoiac, had nothing to do with your alleging that you "know this case well" and "can articulate myself on it" (LOL). It has everything to do with, for example, your accusing me a few months ago of collaborating with Trejo, simply because he and I agree that David Sanchez Morales may have been monitoring Oswald in New Orleans during August, 1963, and the fact that I helped him get reinstated to the forum by (heaven forbid!) forwarding a PM to one of the moderators for him, if I remember correctly. Like I said, for example. Oh yeah, and the fact that a long time ago I agreed with Trejo that it was very possible that Hemming lured Oswald into bringing the rifle to the TSBD, and leaving it in a secret spot there, under the pretense that someone (Hemming?) would buy it and pay him double the rifle's value. Where have I ever said that I think Walker had anything to do with the assassination? Nowhere. But you do like to accuse people who disagree with you, and you are a bit weak on your general fact-checking, aren't you. --Tommy

Actually, Paul B. Other than the fact that he's way too emotional, a bit paranoiac (IMHO), and has never seen a conspiracy theory he didn't like, The Agency pays me Really Good Money to make fun of everything he says. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean ... Isn't it obvious? --Tommy Oh yes, and gullible, Definitely. Definitely. Definitely gullible. Yes. Definitely. "Pepperoni, right?" "Well have to make a stop, ..." edited and bumped

Actually, Paul B. Other than the fact that he's way too emotional, a bit paranoiac (IMHO), and has never seen a conspiracy theory he didn't like, The Agency pays me Really Good Money to make fun of everything he says. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean ... Isn't it obvious? --Tommy Oh yes, and gullible, Definitely. Definitely. Definitely gullible. Yes. Definitely.

No problem, Bill. There's no mention of a "door window" in Baker's 11/22 affidavit story. There's no mention of a door, There's no mention of a room. Instead we hear about a man Baker catches "walking away from the stairway" several floors up the building. According to Marvin Johnson, who took the affidavit, Baker even talked about searching the man. This is not the lunchroom story that Baker will tell the WC. ** As for Baker & Truly's WC story exonerating Oswald, all a WC defender has to do is argue the following: Oswald shoots JFK Oswald comes down the stairs Oswald on the second floor, hearing the noise of someone on the way up, hurries over to the second-floor landing door and goes through it Oswald looks through the door window as Truly crosses the landing Oswald is about to go back out onto the landing when he is surprised to see an officer hit the landing Oswald spins around to head for the lunchroom But the officer notices the movement. The scenario I've just outlined is pure crap. But that doesn't matter. The lunchroom story makes it possible. Just tweak the timeline here and there, invent extra seconds for Truly and Baker en route to the incident, and hey presto you have all the make-believe ambiguity you need to keep the fable of Oswald's guilt alive. That's what the second-floor lunchroom fiction achieves: it gets Oswald away from the front entrance. ** The lunchroom incident doesn't eliminate Prayer Man? Quite the reverse: Prayer Man eliminates the lunchroom incident. For it tells us where the real Baker-Oswald-Truly encounter happened: front entrance. This is what Darnell is telling us: Look! Here's Baker, Truly and Oswald--in the frame together! No need to bustle Oswald upstairs for a phoney second encounter. bumped just for the heck of it EDIT: Decided to move this here from another thread. Sandy, From Holmes' Informal Memorandum / Statement given to "Special Agent" Charles T. Brown on 11/24/63: “When asked about his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated that when lunch time came, and he didn’t say which floor he was on, he said one of the negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and stated ‘You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes.’ Before he could finish whatever he was doing, he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he went down stairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that ‘he is one of our employees’ whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this, he simply walked out the front door of the building. I don’t recall that anyone asked him why he left or where or how he went. I just presumed that this had been covered in an earlier questioning. From Holmes' WC deposition on April 2, 1964: Mr. BELIN. Did he say where he was at the time of the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He just said he was still up in the building when the commotion-- he kind of---- Mr. BELIN. Did he gesture with his hands, do you remember? Mr. HOLMES. He talked with his hands all the time. He was handcuffed, but he was quiet--well, he was not what you call a stoic phlegmatic person. He is very definite with his talk and his eyes and his head, and he goes like that, you see. Mr. BELIN. Did Oswald say anything about seeing a man with a crew cut in front of the building as he was about to leave it? Do you remember anything about that? Mr. HOLMES. No. Mr. BELIN. You don't remember anything about that. Did he say anything about telling a man about going to a pay phone in the building? Mr. HOLMES. Policeman rushed--I take it back---I don't know whether he said a policeman or not--a man came rushing by and said, "Where's your telephone?" And the man showed him some kind of credential and I don't know that he identified the credential, so he might not have been a police officer, and said I am so and so, and shoved something at me which I didn't look at and said, "Where is the telephone?" And I said, "Right there," and just pointed in to the phone, and I [Oswald] went on out. Mr. BELIN. Did Oswald say why he left the building? Mr. HOLMES. No; other than just said he talked about this commotion and went out to see what it was about. [...] Mr. BELIN. By the way, where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He said it was in the vestibule. Mr. BELIN. He said he was in the vestibule? Mr. HOLMES. Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part. Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor? Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor. Mr. BELIN. Did he say anything about a Coca Cola or anything like that, if you remember? Mr. HOLMES. Seems like he said he was drinking a Coca Cola, standing there by the Coca Cola machine drinking a Coca Cola. Mr. BELIN. Anything else? Mr. HOLMES. Nothing more than what I have already told you on it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed, A different question about a different time? Which time would that be, Edward? Do you mean the time Truly bought Oswald a Coca-Cola from the Coca-Cola (brand name) machine in the 2nd floor lunchroom, way back when he hired him in September? (For all you naive students and newbie "researchers" out there, I'm just kidding. I think Truly bought him a Dr. Pepper from the machine on the 1st floor, instead. LOL) It does seem Holmes got his stories mixed up and may have "let the cat out of the bag" regarding Oswald's claiming that he was on the first floor earlier than the official story says he was (but too late to be Prayer Man, unfortunately, unless by "the commotion" Holmes meant the increasing crowd noise in anticipation of the approaching motorcade). --Tommy I incorporated part of Ed LeDoux's post into mine, and bumped the whole enchilada for all the world to see. --Tommy PS Here's a serious idea -- Did Baker and Truly encounter Oswald by the Dr. Pepper machine at the back of the first floor?

Paul B., I've noticed that they've been insulting each other for months. But since "Jimbo" is so popular with the members of this forum, his insults are overlooked. Condoned, actually. --Tommy

Barto, Would you kindly provide us with a link to the statement which Baker made to Marvin Johnson? I searched for it but couldn't find it. Probably because there's so much other stuff written about Baker on the Internet. Thanks, --Tommy

deleted

--Tommy

A different question about a different time? Which time would that be, Edward? Do you mean the time Truly bought Oswald a Coca-Cola from the machine in the 2nd floor lunchroom, way back when he hired him in September? (For all you naive students and newbie "researchers" out there, I'm just kidding. I think Truly bought him a Dr. Pepper from the machine on the 1st floor, instead. LOL) It does seem Holmes got his stories mixed up and may have "let the cat out of the bag" regarding Oswald's claiming that he was on the first floor earlier than the official story says he was (but too late to be Prayer Man, unfortunately, unless by "the commotion" Holmes meant the increasing crowd noise in anticipation of the approaching motorcade). --Tommy

Tommy, Since you insist on believing that the second floor encounter really occurred, why don't you do so in a way that is actually plausible. Holmes's last statement quoted in Bart's post makes it absolutely clear that he is talking about the vestibule on the first floor, right there at the front entrance of the TSBD. There should be no question about that. I mean, had he merely said "on the first floor," then you could say that he just misspoke, or that he got confused and thought the lunchroom was on the first floor. But not only does Holmes specify the first floor (twice!), he also connects the vestibule to the front door. Not to a lunchroom! So let me help you out. What about suggesting that perhaps Oswald, in his interrogation, reported that he had had encounters with TWO policemen. One in the lunchroom, the other on the first floor. And that Holmes accidentally conflated the two stories in his testimony. Doesn't that sound like it actually could have happened? With a little creative thought, I'll bet you can come up with an even better denial than mine! Or why not just surrender to the truth that the second floor encounter never occurred? That way you'll be ahead of the curve, not left in the dust! Sandy, From Holmes' Informal Memorandum / Statement given to "Special Agent" Charles T. Brown on 11/24/63: “When asked about his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated that when lunch time came, and he didn’t say which floor he was on, he said one of the negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and stated ‘You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes.’ Before he could finish whatever he was doing, he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he went down stairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that ‘he is one of our employees’ whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this, he simply walked out the front door of the building. I don’t recall that anyone asked him why he left or where or how he went. I just presumed that this had been covered in an earlier questioning. From Holmes' WC deposition on April 2, 1964: Mr. BELIN. Did he say where he was at the time of the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He just said he was still up in the building when the commotion-- he kind of---- Mr. BELIN. Did he gesture with his hands, do you remember? Mr. HOLMES. He talked with his hands all the time. He was handcuffed, but he was quiet--well, he was not what you call a stoic phlegmatic person. He is very definite with his talk and his eyes and his head, and he goes like that, you see. Mr. BELIN. Did Oswald say anything about seeing a man with a crew cut in front of the building as he was about to leave it? Do you remember anything about that? Mr. HOLMES. No. Mr. BELIN. You don't remember anything about that. Did he say anything about telling a man about going to a pay phone in the building? Mr. HOLMES. Policeman rushed--I take it back---I don't know whether he said a policeman or not--a man came rushing by and said, "Where's your telephone?" And the man showed him some kind of credential and I don't know that he identified the credential, so he might not have been a police officer, and said I am so and so, and shoved something at me which I didn't look at and said, "Where is the telephone?" And I said, "Right there," and just pointed in to the phone, and I [Oswald] went on out. Mr. BELIN. Did Oswald say why he left the building? Mr. HOLMES. No; other than just said he talked about this commotion and went out to see what it was about. [...] Mr. BELIN. By the way, where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He said it was in the vestibule. Mr. BELIN. He said he was in the vestibule? Mr. HOLMES. Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part. Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor? Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor. Mr. BELIN. Did he say anything about a Coca Cola or anything like that, if you remember? Mr. HOLMES. Seems like he said he was drinking a Coca Cola, standing there by the Coca Cola machine drinking a Coca Cola. Mr. BELIN. Anything else? Mr. HOLMES. Nothing more than what I have already told you on it. A different question about a different time? Which time would that be, Edward? Do you mean the time Truly bought Oswald a Coca-Cola from the machine in the 2nd floor lunchroom, way back when he hired him in September? (For all you naive students and newbie "researchers" out there, I'm just kidding. I think Truly bought him a Dr. Pepper from the machine on the 1st floor, instead. LOL) It does seem Holmes got his stories mixed up and may have "let the cat out of the bag" regarding Oswald's claiming that he was on the first floor earlier than the official story says he was (but too late to be Prayer Man, unfortunately, unless by "the commotion" Holmes meant the increasing crowd noise in anticipation of the approaching motorcade). --Tommy

Gene, Speaking of 6.5 mm Carcano Model 91/38 carbines in general (not just about "Oswald''s" / the one allegedly found on the 6th floor), did they have a reputation of being both inaccurate and too penetrating on a body-shot at 100 yards, or just too penetrating (i.e. the bullet didn't do enough damage to kill the person it hit)? Yes, I know "Oswald's Carcano" had a scope that was mounted in a funky way because of the configuration and action of the bolt, and that the scope was apparently even aligned improperly, or had been knocked out of alignment. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about those carbines in general. They were pretty accurate, weren't they? --Tommy

Barto, I seriously doubt that Oswald ever used the word "vestibule" to refer to the area inside the front door or to the small, five-sided, three-doored, room-like section of hallway / passageway / corridor next to the second-floor lunchroom. I don't think he used the word, period. But if he did, for all practical purposes it would have worked just fine in referring to the latter. I think Holmes put the "vegetables" in Oswald's mouth, figuratively speaking. --Tommy PS It's interesting that Holmes says, "I have never been in there myself." One would imagine that Holmes had been inside the front door of the TSBD at some point during the several months between the assassination and his appearance before the Warren Commission. If so, he would have been in your first-floor "vestibule," wouldn't he? PPS Barto, this looks like an important sentence: "f you go to Mary Ferrell than you can see in the docs there that is connected with outer space, as well except in the JFK and RFK murder cases [.]" So please rewrite it so we can understand it. Thanks! Barto, If your interpretation of Holmes' testimony is correct, why then did the bad guys let him give testimony that tended to exonerate Oswald by putting him on the first floor so soon after the assassination? Why didn't Belin say, "Let's go off the record for a minute, Harry" and set Holmes straight instead of actually eliciting the exonerating statements from him? Was Harry "out of the loop?" --Tommy

Umm, you guys really don't want to jump to conclusions based on a Photoshop image -- do you? We haven't sunk that low. Regards, --Paul Trejo Treo, You aren't becoming an alterationist are you? Where's the photoshopped image? --Tommy Well, Tommy, let's take a closer look, shall we? Let's start with the WC testimony of Ruth Paine of March 19, 1964 (vol. II, p. 475) Mr. JENNER. Describe your automobile, will you please? Mrs. PAINE. It is a 1955 Chevrolet station wagon, green, needing paint, which we bought secondhand. It is in my name. So, there's the fact under consideration. Her station wagon was green. OK, now let's look at the photograph that you presented -- where the colors are so BRIGHT, and the grass is super-green, and the sky is super-blue, and the colors are, IMHO, enhanced beyond the average. That sort of colorization allows one -- if one wishes -- to take a light-green automobile and tweak it to make it appear to be a light-blue automobile. It's a photograph, for goodness sake. So, yes, in that photograph that you presented Tommy, her station wagon DOES look light-blue. But that's just a photograph. See my point? Regards, --Paul Trejo Trejo, Did you look at the car in the pinterest link I provided? Probably not https://www.pinterest.com/pin/504614333224648831/ Did Ruth have her car painted blue after the assassination? Maybe Did 1955 Chevrolet "Bel Air" station wagons come with a luggage rack? No How did Roger Craig know that the getaway station wagon was a Rambler station wagon? Because it had a luggage rack at the back of the roof. --Tommy

Umm, you guys really don't want to jump to conclusions based on a Photoshop image -- do you? We haven't sunk that low. Regards, --Paul Trejo Treo, You aren't becoming an alterationist are you? Where's the photoshopped image? --Tommy

Ray, That's what I'm thinking, unless Craig's memory played a little trick on him. Something else to consider: Ruth's car was a 1955 Chevrolet "Bel Air" station wagon. While a luggage rack for that year and model vehicle may have been available as an "after market" option for the owner, that car didn't come from the factory with a luggage rack, unlike Rambler station wagons, which did. --Tommy

Paul, What is it about the light blue color in particular adds to the suspiciousness of Ruth's car, in your humble opinion? I believe Roger Craig said the getaway station wagon had a luggage rack at the back of the roof, and that it was light green in color, not light blue. --Tommy

"With the original Kleins microfilm in hand the FBI could easily copy and fabricate a Klein's order form to show that Oswald (Hidell) purchased a 40" Italian rifle (C2766) from Kleins. They could easily show that Oswald paid for the rifle with a $21.45 postal money order. And they could create and backdate FBI reports to create the illusion that FBI agents "found" information relating to Oswald's purchase of the rifle on Klein's microfilm. They needed only 3 items to suddenly "appear" on the microfilm--a blank Klein's order coupon (from a sports magazine), a Klein's order form, and a stamped and "dated" mailing envelope." "The FBI needed to create reports that showed Crescent sold C2766 to Klein's, and then re-sold that rifle to Oswald. All documentation had to be dated after Crescent Firearms' sold C2766 to Klein's (after June 18, 1962), but before April 10, 1963, when Oswald allegedly used this rifle to fire shots at General Edwin Walker. The FBI's first step was to ignore the sale of C2766 by Crescent to Kleins on June 18, 1962, and show that C2766 was shipped to Kleins in early 1963." And so on... No doubt there were huge gymnastics performed by the FBI during those first few fraught hours after the assassination. The order had come down from above - nail Oswald. And only Oswald. Documents are then tortuously fabricated to create a narrative consistent with that. There is without doubt more than a glimmer of truth in this article and it shows the kind of gross falsification that was needed to arrive at a politically 'safe solution'. Question though: in retrospect, if they had had the resources wouldn't it have been neater to have simply found a doppelganger and have HIM go and buy the damn rifle? There has been talk of such a doppelganger using Oswald's name buying trucks, going fishing and being interviewed when it was dangerous for the plot to do so. Yet here was a golden opportunity to actually use him in such a way as to totally incriminate Oswald but the plotters preferred and chose the above frantic sequence of events. The person who everyone was fooled into believing was Oswald (presumably because of 'Lee's' very close resemblance) could have been used to buy the gun from any shop in Dallas. Get him to make a scene whilst doing it and immediately there is a link between the gun, the seller and the buyer...that is, Oswald. I wonder why they didn't do that... Excellent point. Thanks, Bernie Laverick. --Tommy Bernie, You ask an excellent question: Instead of going to the trouble of fabricating all those (allegedly) bogus things (coupon, postal money order, etc) to create an incriminating "paper trail," why didn't the bad guys just have "Lee" go buy a rifle in Lee Harvey Oswald's name, or at least go in to the gun shop looking like "Harvey" (as much as he apparently did) and create a memorable "scene" for the salespeople to "remember him" by after the assassination? --Tommy

"With the original Kleins microfilm in hand the FBI could easily copy and fabricate a Klein's order form to show that Oswald (Hidell) purchased a 40" Italian rifle (C2766) from Kleins. They could easily show that Oswald paid for the rifle with a $21.45 postal money order. And they could create and backdate FBI reports to create the illusion that FBI agents "found" information relating to Oswald's purchase of the rifle on Klein's microfilm. They needed only 3 items to suddenly "appear" on the microfilm--a blank Klein's order coupon (from a sports magazine), a Klein's order form, and a stamped and "dated" mailing envelope." "The FBI needed to create reports that showed Crescent sold C2766 to Klein's, and then re-sold that rifle to Oswald. All documentation had to be dated after Crescent Firearms' sold C2766 to Klein's (after June 18, 1962), but before April 10, 1963, when Oswald allegedly used this rifle to fire shots at General Edwin Walker. The FBI's first step was to ignore the sale of C2766 by Crescent to Kleins on June 18, 1962, and show that C2766 was shipped to Kleins in early 1963." And so on... No doubt there were huge gymnastics performed by the FBI during those first few fraught hours after the assassination. The order had come down from above - nail Oswald. And only Oswald. Documents are then tortuously fabricated to create a narrative consistent with that. There is without doubt more than a glimmer of truth in this article and it shows the kind of gross falsification that was needed to arrive at a politically 'safe solution'. Question though: in retrospect, if they had had the resources wouldn't it have been neater to have simply found a doppelganger and have HIM go and buy the damn rifle? There has been talk of such a doppelganger using Oswald's name buying trucks, going fishing and being interviewed when it was dangerous for the plot to do so. Yet here was a golden opportunity to actually use him in such a way as to totally incriminate Oswald but the plotters preferred and chose the above frantic sequence of events. The person who everyone was fooled into believing was Oswald (presumably because of 'Lee's' very close resemblance) could have been used to buy the gun from any shop in Dallas. Get him to make a scene whilst doing it and immediately there is a link between the gun, the seller and the buyer...that is, Oswald. I wonder why they didn't do that... Excellent point. Thanks, Bernie Laverick. --Tommy

" So, what gives? The key story is about the light green Rambler station wagon. There are two issues: ( A ) The WC testimony printed that Roger Craig called it a WHITE station wagon (which he always denied) ( B ) Ruth Paine owned a light green CHEVY station wagon. " Well, Paul. It looks light blue to me. See also: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/504614333224648831/ --Tommy

Barto, I seriously doubt that Oswald ever used the word "vestibule" to refer to the area inside the front door or to the small, five-sided, three-doored, room-like section of hallway / passageway / corridor next to the second-floor lunchroom. I don't think he used the word, period. But if he did, for all practical purposes it would have worked just fine in referring to the latter. I think Holmes put the "vegetables" in Oswald's mouth, figuratively speaking. --Tommy PS It's interesting that Holmes says, "I have never been in there myself." One would imagine that Holmes had been inside the front door of the TSBD at some point during the several months between the assassination and his appearance before the Warren Commission. If so, he would have been in your first-floor "vestibule," wouldn't he? PPS Barto, this looks like an important sentence: "f you go to Mary Ferrell than you can see in the docs there that is connected with outer space, as well except in the JFK and RFK murder cases [.]" So please rewrite it so we can understand it. Thanks!

Barto, Nice catch. --Tommy