Thomas Graves

MY BAD. -- TG

The Black man's name is ROY LEWIS. Credit: Robin Unger -- TG

Rick, That African American is much closer to the camera that the people on the steps. -- TG

Andrej, Could Prayer Man be fiddling with his purse? (Only semi-sarcastic) -- TG

Thanks, Robin. -- TG

David, That's why it's important to try to determine whether or not: 1) the largish woman on-the-steps-20-seconds-after-the-assassination is indeed Gloria Calvery (and 1a. whether or not she's talking with Billy Lovelady on the steps, and 1b. whether or not, as Andrej claims, Bill Shelley can be seen on the steps), and 2) whether or not Molina, who claimed Calvery told him in "the lobby" that JFK had been shot, and who also claimed that he saw Baker enter the front door at the same time as he, Molina, was talking with Calvery, can be positively identified on the steps in Couch-Darnell or Weigman or ... Because if Baker and Truly DID enter the building so soon after the assassination, then their encountering a guilty (or possibly even "set up") Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room is more likely than if they had entered the building a minute or two later. -- TG

Sandy, Someone should invite The Sixth Floor Museum's Stephen "Smilin'-n'-Noddin'" Fagin to join the Forum. Smiling Out Loud, -- TG

Sandy, We must ask ourselves why in the world Stella Mae Jacob, who worked the billing department of the Texas School Book Company, is hanging out with "Westbrook" of the Southwestern Publishing Company, and "Calvery" of the Southwestern Publishing Company, a minute or two after the assassination, instead of with her Texas School Book Company colleagues Gloria Jeanne Holt (who also worked in the billing department), and Sharron Simmons (who worked as a clerk for the Texas School Book Company), especially since they had witnessed the tragedy together. -- TG

Andrej, Is your Shelley the man in the coat and tie, or the person behind him? -- TG

Bye Bye, Bart! -- TG

bumped

Bart. You're mistaken. -- TG

Yes, Robin. That is what Sandy and I are seriously telling you. You sound incredulous. Why is that? -- TG

Excellent post, Sandy, and more than deserving of a "bump" in my humble opinion. -- TG

Robin, Have you finally correctly labeled Stella Mae Jacob, Gloria Jeanne Holt, and Sharron Simmons? If so, my bad. But at least in my above post I suggested that the mislabeling was done in the past, wouldn't you agree? -- TG EDIT: I just now looked at your recently re-labeled trio of women in the frame from the Darnell clip, and I'm sorry to say that the only one you got right is Stella Mae Jacob. But at least you're making progress, Robin, because iirc for many years you had those three women (Jacob, Holt, and Simmons) mislabeled as "Calvary, Hicks, and Reed"! What in the world influenced you to get self-described Native American *Stella Mae Jacob* right this time, anyway? The fact that she's dark complected and has black hair and a classic Native-American nose? Haven't you ever wondered where the two gals she said she was with (Gloria Jeanne Holt and Sharron Simmons) ... are in that Darnell clip? What the heck happened Stella Mae's co-workers?! Has it ever crossed your mind, Robin, that Stella Mae Jacob might have been walking with Holt and Simmons in that Darnell clip which was shot a minute or two after the assassination? Have you ever noticed how gosh-darned similar Holt looks in that 1963 high school photo of her (not the 1962 one!) to the crying gal in Darnell (especially when she's actually got her eyes open and is looking at the camera)?

Robin, The problem is, Mrs. Westbrook-Scranton tried to identify herself and her "red haired" friend from behind and fifty-five years after the fact. (It's interesting that she wasn't sure who the dark-haired gal was, don't you think?) Lot's of people have red or redish-colored hair, Robin. If Westbrook-Scranton remembers correctly that her old pal had "red" hair, then it's a shame that the real Gloria Calvery was wearing a headscarf that day. Do you really think that long-faced gal wearing the blue headscarf is the same person as square or round-faced Westbrook-Scranton? -- TG

Hi Linda, Well, she had really fast-growing hair and more than a year to grow it (if the photo was taken early in the school year)? She was wearing a wig? (Beats the heck out of me.) Now some questions for you, Linda: 1) Do you agree that the dark-complected gal (whom for many years was mislabeled by Robin Unger & Co. as "Gloria Calvary" (sic), and believed by many researchers to have been an Afro-American woman) is, in reality, self-described Native American Stella Mae Jacob? 2) How long after the assassination was the Cabluck photo taken? Not so long after the final shot as to preclude your Calvery from getting to the "island" or the steps (or wherever) to talk with Shelley and Lovelady before they started bookin' it down Elm Street Extension? And not too late to talk with Joe Molina in the "lobby" around the same time that Joe said Officer Baker entered the building? 3) Why isn't your Calvery wearing her otherwise ever-present "styling glasses" in the Darnell clip? -- TG

Hello, old friend. (Linda, I mean.) I'm sorry to say that I'm terribly disappointed that you've not only gotten Gloria Jean Holt confused for Westbrook's "Calvery, sans glasses," but that you've also confused Jacob, Holt, and Simmons with three completely different gals in that photo by Allen! -- TG

Sandy, Being fair-minded but ignorant and lazy, I gotta ask this question: were they walking on a level sidewalk there, or on the slight slope that comprises the right side of the Grassy Knoll near the curb? -- TG

Sandy and David, What are the chances of finding two different groups of three women who are individually dressed the same way in two photos that are taken two or three minutes apart and in the same area, and who have the same individual hair color and hairstyles in both photos? David, the difference it makes is this: If it can be shown that Gloria Calvery, whom Lovelady in his first day affidavit stated he started talking to on the steps right after the assassination (and right before Shelley and he allegedly went walking down Elm Street Extension to the railway yard and thence to the rear of the TSBD first floor), was standing close enough to the TSBD during the motorcade to be able to run there within twenty-five seconds (and be "captured" there in Couch-Darnell), then this casts into doubt Lovelady's and Shelley's claim that they walked down to the railway yard (at least when they say they did) because although the two men in Couch-Darnell who APPEAR to resemble them seem to be walking towards the railroad yard, they are doing so WHILE OUR POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED CALVERY IS SIMULTANEOUSLY TALKING WITH SOMEONE WHO LOOKS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE LOVELADY ON THE STEPS. The possibility that Calvery is talking to Lovelady on the steps in Couch-Darnell cast doubt on Shelley's and Lovelady's timing of events in their later statements (if not their mysterious actions, themselves) and lends more credence to Vicki Adam's estimation of how long it took her to walk down the wooden staircase to the first floor. As you know, this is critically important as it bears on whether or not Oswald could have come down from the sixth floor to the second floor lunch room during the same period of time without being seen or heard by Adams and her colleague. Calvery's being caught on the steps in Couch-Darnell so soon (20 to 25 seconds) after the assassination also reflects on how soon after the assassination Officer Baker entered the TSBD. For the simple reason that Joe Molina claimed to have entered the building at about the same time Baker did, and said that he did so right before or right after (going from memory here) having encountered, "in the lobby," a near-hysterical Calvery and the gal who was with her (the Woman In White who appears to be pulling Calvery away from Lovelady in Couch-Darnell?). As you know, if Baker entered the building shortly before or after Molina encountered Calvery and friend, and if Molina encountered them right after they had arrived at the steps (which we know from Couch Darnell was within 25 seconds of the assassination), then it makes more plausible the possibility that Baker (and Truly, who was near the front steps in Couch-Darnell) really DID arrive at the second floor lunch room as soon as they said they did ... -- TG

Okay. -- TG

Supposedly? Supposed by whom? By Underhill? Or by Hancock? Both? -- TG

I will hereby take the liberty of casting Sandy's and Bart's and Andrej's and Michael Walton's votes for them, based on what they said a year ago on the same issue. Question: Which one of the two women in the three-photo column does the crying gal in Darnell more closely resemble: #1 -- "Miss High School Portraits" -- or -- #2 -- "Miss Styling Glasses" ? Sandy: #1 Bart: #2 Andrej: #1 Walton: #1 Me: #1 Andrews (if I understand correctly): #1 SO, as of right now, it's five "Miss High School Portraits" to only one "Miss Stylin' Glasses"! Anyone else care to vote, or shall I declare "Miss High School Portraits" the winner? -- TG PS Don't be shy!

Mike, Do you think there could possibly a reason for that nondisclosure which is not directly related to the assassination? -- TG

Who did the "presenting," pre-assassination? FBI to CIA, or vice-versa? -- TG