Thomas Graves

Dear Mr. Jeffries, Like you, I believe Joseph Kennedy, Sr. was a true saint. I don't believe there's any truth to the ugly rumor that he was having "carnal knowledge" of his own lobotomized daughter. He was much too nice of a man for that. --Tommy

bump bumped This is typical of the mentality he has. He moaned and groaned that I should leave po' l'il Harvey & Lee alone and start discussions on my own book. Then he claimed if I did, he would dissect it and pick the book to pieces. Now that I have (again - because I have done so in the past) started such a thread, he not only isn't dissecting it, he is actually complaining that I started what HE insisted I start! David must have had a little brother that he loved playing "heads I win-tails you lose" with. Greg, That does sound a bit hypocritical of DJ, doesn't it. He's a truly desperate and slightly paranoiac man, IMO. --Tommy

Dear Mr. Josephs, Pray tell, up where? --Tommy

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Thanks for the feedback, Bernie. I sincerely hope he doesn't get banned. What a jerk he is, though. A thoroughly unpleasant person. --Tommy

Bernie, go home. With each post you show how unprepared and foolish you are. You've gotten to be such a sad little thing when once you actually had your own voice. When your leader finally stops posting faith-based opinions and finds a fact or two - snowballs will fly in a very hot place.... How is it that you still refuse to look up how perspective works in photography? Ignorance must be bliss - right little man? One more example to illustrate PERSPECTIVE and DEPTH OF FIELD... with a higher mm lens the distances between front and back are highly skewed... you cannot use objects within the photo to judge distance since the size of objects is completely relative to its position in the image. Obviously, the baby's head is not larger than Lovelady's. In the original image it APPEARS that they are much closer to each other than they really are and with this copy-paste of the baby's head next to Lovelady's you hopefully understand a bit about how photography works. Every time with you Bernie... you keep coming to this knife fight with rubber bands and chewing gum... and expect to be taken seriously. Is that Shelley or Molina behind Oswald or Lovelady? --Tommy

Greg, That beast? I think he went on to play linebacker for the Houston Oilers. (q.v.) LOL --Tommy He was the entire scrimmage line for them, wasn't he? He was such a monster, he played both ways. Kinda like "Harvey" and "Lee". --Tommy

Excellent point, Greg. A semi-circle makes sense for a cooking demonstration like that. Also as an expression of group cohesion. Taking that into consideration, "Lee" was quite puny. --Tommy

Greg, That beast? I think he went on to play linebacker for the Houston Oilers. (q.v.) LOL --Tommy

[...] Greg was in effect arguing your case for you, Steven. Photographically speaking. You should be grateful. After all, Greg didn't make Oswald look smaller than he really was. He made him look larger than he really was. --Tommy bumped for Mr. Josephs

I do happen to think that the man walking down the extension has more going for him, even without the bald patch but who would rule out either one of them at this stage? Tommy said: Actually, if you look at the Martin clip or when he's in the police station it was slightly more than just the top, the sides where beginning to be affected too, I'm not saying we should see the patch in Darnell. I'm just, I suppose, "arguing" against the repeated references to it by others. The same spots can be seen on the other man's head. It's almost too good not to be both of them. Clive, You actually blew it up a bit too much, reducing what little resolution there was to begin with. That is both of them. Starting out with Shelley on the left and Lovelady on the right for those of you who need help. Note, among other things, Shelley's distinctive hairdo, and short, stocky Lovelady's bald forehead just before and then again a split-second after he's passed Shelley. --Tommy

Clive, If Wiegman wasn't reacting to the shot or shots when he briefly panned back to the right (but evidently not far enough to film your "VIP" -- what's that, anyway?), why then did he "pan" back to the left so quickly and unprofessionally? Are you saying that Wiegman didn't react to the sounds of the gunshots or 'firecrackers" until he was in the middle of his relatively slow panning to the right? Where are A. J. Millican and the Black women to his left in the frames you've posted? --Tommy

NO . You put up a distorted image. Mr. Joseph only transferred one section of the photo to another (WITHOUT enlargement) to show that objects closer to the camera appear bigger.,gaal ++++++++++++++++ I think you have violated the spirit (if not the letter) of Forum rules by deliberately posting false information. When Jack White's poster was talked about ,you Mr. Parker, screamed FRAUD again and again. What should we speak of you ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????. gaal Greg was in effect arguing your case for you, photographically speaking. You should be grateful. After all, Greg didn't make Oswald look smaller than he really was. He made him look larger than he really was. --Tommy

Dear Mr. Josephs, If Greg did it, all it does is reinforce how wrong you are. Funny you didn't mention it. Just wishing Oswald was that big? Just hoping nobody else would notice it's been photoshopped? --Tommy Here's the original.

Dear Mr. Josephs, If Greg did it, all it does is reinforce how wrong you are. Funny you didn't mention it. Just wishing Oswald was that big? Just hoping nobody else would notice it's been photoshopped? --Tommy

Who played with this photo? Why is Oswald's head and whole body bigger than Ferrie's? Look at the original in post # 1610. --Tommy bumped

Who played with this photo? Why is Oswald's head and whole body bigger than Ferrie's? Look at the original in post # 1610. --Tommy

Not necessarily, Jim. I think we have been trying so hard to deep six the second floor encounter, it might have made us blind to any other scenarios. Imagine this. During questioning, Oswald is asked about officer Baker, and tells his interrogators he was on the second floor getting a Coke when Baker came in, having just left the front entrance, and knowing he must have left before Baker came into the building. If the next question was "Where were you just before that?", Oswald would answer he was having lunch out in front with Bill Shelley. Oswald likely would have gone up to the 2nd floor by the front staircase. If he was taking his time, he could have been seen through the 2nd floor lunch room door by Baker as Oswald traversed the small hallway just outside the lunch room, passing from right to left, from Baker's perspective. All of this means that Baker did not enter the TSBD as soon as he arrived at the steps, although not a great deal of time probably elapsed before he did; perhaps a minute or two. This would give Molina and Frazier time to re-enter the building, and would explain why neither of them saw Baker enter. If Pauline Sanders lingered a bit longer than these two, she would have seen Baker enter, as her FBI affidavit states. This would also give Shelley and Lovelady time to cross the street, listen to Gloria Calvery for a few seconds, and be 25 steps down the Elm St. extension before looking back to see Baker and Truly ascending the steps. The only stretching of the truth required is to have Baker tell the WC that he entered the TSBD immediately after arriving at the steps, instead of lingering out front until Oswald, Molina and Frazier had gone inside. If Baker was convinced of Oswald's guilt anyways, he might not even think hewas doing anything wrong by slightly embellishing the times. Seriously, it may all have happened almost the way everyone said it did. (emphasis on the word "almost") In addition to getting a coke, another plausible reason for Oswald's going up to the second floor, after the shots, would be to go to a window up there and get a better view of what was going on. Just sayin'. Otherwise, he must have been the only person on the front steps to stop watching the goings on because he was ... thirsty. Why would any ex-Marine and "defector" to the U.S.S.R. want to go inside the building after the shots, and risk being confused with the assassin? --Tommy There seems to have been a number of TSBD employees, including Molina and Frazier, who did not waste any time going back into the TSBD. You can see a number of them going up the steps in the Darnell/Couch film. And Frazier was not only thirsty, he went down into the basement and ate his lunch. Who said Frazier was thirsty? --Tommy

Tommy, the only evidence on film of anyone reacting to sounds that sounded like shots are a few gentlemen in the FUC who have been trained to listen for unusual noises. In Wiegman we see no reaction from anyone lining the street outside the epicentre of that terrible headshot.Three to six shots have already been fired when he last captures spectators outside the TSBD and the crowd opposite as seen in Dorman mirror them by doing absolutely nothing out of the ordinary immediately after the assault. That is partially the reason why I believe those already standing between Darnell's camera and the entrance hadn't the slightest clue about this shooting. So then, if a man is seen on the steps crouching down(to pick up a bottle of coke off the steps perhaps) it not really that unusual to me. The man walking away still looks decent enough to be Lovelady though but I cannot find the bald spot. It's simply not there but everything else is reasonable. I think the consensus is around twenty seconds for Darnell and Couch to suddenly start filming at the exact same second. Twenty seconds, to hit a button or switch? Both of them? After hearing all those shots? You don't think that perhaps they had nothing to film because nothing happened near to them and all the action was further down the street? Sorry Clive, but I think you're wrong. In Wiegman, there are two guys standing next to each other on the sidewalk and wearing khaki work clothes. The one on the left looks back at the front entrance of the TSBD after at least the first shot has been fired (as evidenced by the fact that Wiegman starts panning back to the right a second or two earlier, re-filming the people he has just filmed.) It's obvious to me that Wiegman is reacting to the shot or shots, too. The guy in khaki who is looking back towards the TSBD at this point was not doing so just a few seconds earlier (when the car with the big fins was passing in front of him) -- he was looking straight ahead. Also, hard hat-wearing A. J. Millican and some Black women to his left can be seen looking in the direction of the TSBD at that same time, in distinct contrast to all the other people around them on Elm Street who are watching the limo. I guess you're saying that very few, if any, people on the steps heard gunshots or "firecrackers," and that none of those that did thought it was all that unusual or worth watching the results of. Regarding Lovelady's bald spot, I don't think it's reasonable to expect to be able to see it from so far away and in such relatively poor resolution. The bald spot was on the top of his head, wasn't it? Regardless, I can definitely see Lovelady's bald forehead and his short, stocky physique. Regarding your statement that in Couch / Darnell "the crowd are doing absolutely nothing unusual after the assault," I suggest that you look at the synchronized Couch / Darnell clips again. A motorcycle policeman (Baker) is running towards the TSBD. One guy climbs the base of a light pole to get a better view. Many people are standing still and gazing in the direction of the limo / Grassy Knoll. A woman wearing a head scarf and a gray raincoat is walking rapidly towards the TSBD while looking down the street towards the grassy knoll, but then stops, continuing to look towards the Grassy Knoll. A man wearing light-colored clothes and a cowboy hat is staring up at the upper windows. Two older women watch Baker run towards the TSBD. A kid near the "island" starts running down the street towards the grassy knoll. Farther down the sidewalk, two children run up to their father from behind, as he's rapidly walking down the sidewalk, and spin him around. A man at the base of the steps sidesteps out of Baker's way and motions him up the steps with his left arm. Running woman is running down the Elm Street Extension towards the TSBD. Two men who look like Shelley and Lovelady watch her run past them and start running down or diagonally across the Elm Street Extension, themselves. A woman in a dark-colored coat is running towards the steps. Etc, etc. There's plenty of photographic evidence that almost everyone heard the shots or "firecrackers," and are now wondering what in the heck is going on. But you would have Lovelady kneel down to have another sip of pop? LOL --Tommy PS As I said in another post, I think the "Lovelady" rising up on the steps in Couch / Darnell is actually a woman walking up the steps, wearing a light-colored scarf on her head, and using the handrail.

Not necessarily, Jim. I think we have been trying so hard to deep six the second floor encounter, it might have made us blind to any other scenarios. Imagine this. During questioning, Oswald is asked about officer Baker, and tells his interrogators he was on the second floor getting a Coke when Baker came in, having just left the front entrance, and knowing he must have left before Baker came into the building. If the next question was "Where were you just before that?", Oswald would answer he was having lunch out in front with Bill Shelley. Oswald likely would have gone up to the 2nd floor by the front staircase. If he was taking his time, he could have been seen through the 2nd floor lunch room door by Baker as Oswald traversed the small hallway just outside the lunch room, passing from right to left, from Baker's perspective. All of this means that Baker did not enter the TSBD as soon as he arrived at the steps, although not a great deal of time probably elapsed before he did; perhaps a minute or two. This would give Molina and Frazier time to re-enter the building, and would explain why neither of them saw Baker enter. If Pauline Sanders lingered a bit longer than these two, she would have seen Baker enter, as her FBI affidavit states. This would also give Shelley and Lovelady time to cross the street, listen to Gloria Calvery for a few seconds, and be 25 steps down the Elm St. extension before looking back to see Baker and Truly ascending the steps. The only stretching of the truth required is to have Baker tell the WC that he entered the TSBD immediately after arriving at the steps, instead of lingering out front until Oswald, Molina and Frazier had gone inside. If Baker was convinced of Oswald's guilt anyways, he might not even think hewas doing anything wrong by slightly embellishing the times. Seriously, it may all have happened almost the way everyone said it did. (emphasis on the word "almost") In addition to getting a coke, another plausible reason for Oswald's going up to the second floor, after the shots, would be to go to a window up there and get a better view of what was going on. Just sayin'. Otherwise, he must have been the only person on the front steps to stop watching the goings on because he was ... thirsty. Why would any ex-Marine and "defector" to the U.S.S.R. want to go inside the building after the shots, and risk being confused with the assassin? --Tommy There seems to have been a number of TSBD employees, including Molina and Frazier, who did not waste any time going back into the TSBD. You can see a number of them going up the steps in the Darnell/Couch film. And Frazier was not only thirsty, he went down into the basement and ate his lunch. Good points, Robert. Who do we see wearing a coat, tie, and probably a hat on the top step (behind Frazier) in Couch / Darnell? He looks broad-shouldered. Molina or Shelley? --Tommy

Not necessarily, Jim. I think we have been trying so hard to deep six the second floor encounter, it might have made us blind to any other scenarios. Imagine this. During questioning, Oswald is asked about officer Baker, and tells his interrogators he was on the second floor getting a Coke when Baker came in, having just left the front entrance, and knowing he must have left before Baker came into the building. If the next question was "Where were you just before that?", Oswald would answer he was having lunch out in front with Bill Shelley. Oswald likely would have gone up to the 2nd floor by the front staircase. If he was taking his time, he could have been seen through the 2nd floor lunch room door by Baker as Oswald traversed the small hallway just outside the lunch room, passing from right to left, from Baker's perspective. All of this means that Baker did not enter the TSBD as soon as he arrived at the steps, although not a great deal of time probably elapsed before he did; perhaps a minute or two. This would give Molina and Frazier time to re-enter the building, and would explain why neither of them saw Baker enter. If Pauline Sanders lingered a bit longer than these two, she would have seen Baker enter, as her FBI affidavit states. This would also give Shelley and Lovelady time to cross the street, listen to Gloria Calvery for a few seconds, and be 25 steps down the Elm St. extension before looking back to see Baker and Truly ascending the steps. The only stretching of the truth required is to have Baker tell the WC that he entered the TSBD immediately after arriving at the steps, instead of lingering out front until Oswald, Molina and Frazier had gone inside. If Baker was convinced of Oswald's guilt anyways, he might not even think hewas doing anything wrong by slightly embellishing the times. Seriously, it may all have happened almost the way everyone said it did. (emphasis on the word "almost") In addition to getting a coke, another plausible reason for Oswald's going up to the second floor, after the shots, would be to go to a window up there and get a better view of what was going on. Just sayin'. Otherwise, he must have been the only person on the front steps to stop watching the goings on because he was ... thirsty. Why would any ex-Marine and "defector" to the U.S.S.R. want to go inside the building after the shots, and risk being confused with the assassin? --Tommy

I had the same trouble with Spanish. When I lived in Peru, I could speak Spanish pretty good, but I couldn't understand what was being said in normal conversations. Peruvians among themselves would talk too fast. They would have to accommodate me when speaking to me by slowing down and almost stopping, like the limo in Dealey Plaza. When I first moved to the Czech Republic, Czech sounded like a language from another planet, being played backwards. When I left seven years later, it no longer sounded like it was being played backwards. --Tommy

And not even your non seq is accurate. Melanson got it wrong by taking the quote out of context. As I point out in my book, in context, Rankin was talking about Spanish, not Russian. Oswald learning Russian at the Monterrey Language School is but one of many myths that needs putting to the sword. Do you have more non seq responses for me to destroy, or are you going to admit the truth? Oswald was NEVER the tallest kid in any class. Not EVER. Greg, "Mere details. Spanish, Russian -- what's the difference?" LOL --Tommy

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Ah ha. Syntax and grammar.. What's interesting to me is that Russian and Czech (which I had to learn) are both Slavic languages, and when I was living in the Czech Republic I learned that Czech is more highly inflected than English is, meaning that word order is much more flexible in Czech than it is in English. I would imagine that the same would hold true for Russian -- more flexible word order than English, but the words themselves have different prefixes and / or suffixes, which made it very difficult for me to "process" spoken Czech. My students were always telling me they could understand English, but they couldn't speak it. The opposite was true for me as regards Czech. I could speak it, but half the time I couldn't understand what was being said to me. Unless, of course, the waitress was asking me if I wanted another beer. --Tommy