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Paul, Although I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that the assassination was planned in Dallas, I do like your "take" here on the H & L theory. --Tommy

For Bob Prudhomme: It now appears that Truly was not standing on the "island" during the assassination, but rather pretty close to where we see him standing in Darnell / Couch when Baker ran past him. --Tommy

Yes, Chris. IMHO your red arrow on the right is pointing at Truly. I think it's a little easier to recognize his facial features, hat, and short stature in the enhanced GIF I posted, especially when looking at the GIF before it starts running. But now your red arrow on the right in the previous post lets everybody know the guy I'm talking about. What's significant is that the tall guy next to him could be Ochus Campbell (is he wearing a white shirt and a tie, but no jacket? -- the potential O.V. Campbell whom new member Linda recently pointed out in the Martin and Hughes clips also appears to be wearing a white shirt but no jacket), and that a woman who resembles the woman Det. Jim Leavelle was talking with the next day in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau -- fifty-one year old Mrs. Robert A. Reid? -- can be seen about six feet away from them in the GIF. Thanks! --Tommy

Richard, I'm sorry, but Gary Mack cannot possibly believe that Prayer Man is Billy Lovelady. He knows that the Wiegman frames show Prayer Man standing in the shadows beside Lovelady: And Gary cannot possibly be telling people that Lovelady and Bill Shelley lied outlandishly in their WC testimony. So can you please give us the exact words Gary used in his message on this matter? Thanks, Sean Does anyone know who created this great Wiegman GIF? Sean Murphy? Gerda Dunckel? The reason I ask is because I truly believe that (short) Roy Truly and (tall) Ochus Campbell are visible on the extreme far right (no pun intended), close to the car, and that the left side of Jeraldean Reid's face as well as her dark hair can be briefly seen between two women (one of whom is wearing a white blouse) who are standing about six feet to the left of Truly and Campbell. Note: Truly is standing behind and to the left of Campbell and is most clearly visible before the GIF starts moving. --Tommy If I am right (and I believe I am), then Truly was obviously not standing on the "island" during the assassination, but rather pretty close to where we see him standing in Darnell / Couch when Baker ran past him. --Tommy

I would appreciate some constructive feedback / observations. Thanks, --Tommy PS Note that in her affidavit, Jeraldean Reid / Mrs. Robert A. Reid mentions standing near Campbell, and in her WC testimony she says she stood near both Campbell and Truly.

Richard, I'm sorry, but Gary Mack cannot possibly believe that Prayer Man is Billy Lovelady. He knows that the Wiegman frames show Prayer Man standing in the shadows beside Lovelady: And Gary cannot possibly be telling people that Lovelady and Bill Shelley lied outlandishly in their WC testimony. So can you please give us the exact words Gary used in his message on this matter? Thanks, Sean Does anyone know who created this great Wiegman GIF? Sean Murphy? Gerda Dunckel? The reason I ask is because I truly believe that (short) Roy Truly and (tall) Ochus Campbell are visible on the extreme far right (no pun intended), close to the car, and that the left side of Jeraldean Reid's face as well as her dark hair can be briefly seen between two women (one of whom is wearing a white blouse) who are standing about six feet to the left of Truly and Campbell. Note: Truly is standing behind and to the left of Campbell and is most clearly visible before the GIF starts moving. --Tommy

Ed, Thanks for the feedback and the questions. You ask if Truly "isn't farther back near the building, on the sidewalk, as Baker runs past him as seen in Darnell / Wiegman." Baker is seen running past Truly in Darnell / Couch, but not in Weigman. Weigman was already running down Elm Street (with his movie camera running) when Darnell and Couch "caught" Baker running past Truly. Darnell / Couch: Credit: Gerda Dunckel. Click on image to enlarge a bit. As regards Jeraldean Reid, all i know is that she was 51 years of age at the time of the assassination, that she gave an affidavit to Det. Jim Leavelle on 11/23/63, and that she claimed in her WC testimony to have been standing in the street (or on the curb) near Campbell and Truly during the assassination. Jim Leavelle is on record as having taken Reid's affidavit on 11/23/63. In the photo of the woman sitting with Leavelle in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, Leavelle appears to be writing a report of some sort and the woman looks like she could be in her early fifties, so I think it's reasonable to assume that the woman is Jearaldean Reid and the report that Leavelle is writing is Reid's affidavit. The four photos / frames with red arrows are, clockwise from upper right: 1 ) A Darnell / Couch frame. 2 ) A Dave Wiegman frame, best viewed in slow motion at 1:04 of this youtube video: 3 ) ? (I'm working on it.) 4 ) Don Cook film for Dallas TV station? More importantly, I've just now found this great enhanced Wiegman clip, posted by Sean Murphy on another thread, which shows Reid's head in the middle of the frame between two other women, and Truly (!) and Campbell (?) on the far right. Campbell (?) looks tall and possibly jacket-less. Truly is visible behind Campbell and a little to our left of him. He is much shorter than Campbell and is wearing his fedora and dark suit. Reid, Truly, and Campbell are standing in the line of people behind the car. Judging by Wiegman's camera movements in his complete film, the frames in this GIF seem to have been filmed about four seconds before the first or second shot rang out. --Tommy

I understand what plagiarism is. But what's the term for a website about a book that doesn't even have the book title right? (It's Family of Secrets, not Family Secrets.) And I thought it was Family Jewells! --Tommy

He didn't have to change it. Fritz did. The only person who told the truth about his alibi was the much maligned Harry Holmes. Harry was brought in because of the PO boxes and weapons orders. He did his job on those stitching Oswald up. But they forgot to clue him in on the alibi and he gave it away. Mr. BELIN. Did anyone say anything about Oswald saying anything about his leaving the Texas School Book Depository after the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He said, as I remember, actually, in answer to questions there, he mentioned that when lunchtime came, one of the Negro employees asked him if. he would like to sit and each lunch with him, and he said, "Yes, but I can't go right now." He said, "You go and take the elevator on down." No, he said, "You go ahead, but send the elevator back up." He didn't say up where, and he didn't mention what floor he was on. Nobody seemed to ask him. You see, I assumed that obvious questions like that had been asked in previous interrogation. So I didn't interrupt too much, but he said, "Send the elevator back up to me." Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about." And he wouldn't tell what happened then. Mr. BELIN. Did he say where he was at the time of the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He just said he was still up in the building when the commotion-- he kind of---- Mr. BELIN. Did he gesture with his hands, do you remember? Mr. HOLMES. He talked with his hands all the time. He was handcuffed, but he was quiet--well, he was not what you call a stoic phlegmatic person. He is very definite with his talk and his eyes and his head, and he goes like that, you see. Mr. BELIN. Did Oswald say anything about seeing a man with a crewcut in front of the building as he was about to leave it? Do you remember anything about that? Mr. HOLMES. No. Mr. BELIN. You don't remember anything about that. Did he say anything about telling a man about going to a pay phone in the building? Mr. HOLMES. Policeman rushed--I take it back---I don't know whether he said a policeman or not--a man came rushing by and said, "Where's your telephone?" And the man showed him some kind of credential and I don't know that he identified the credential, so he might not have been a police officer, and said I am so and so, and shoved something at me which I didn't look at and said, "Where is the telephone?" And I said, "Right there," and just pointed in to the phone, and I went on out. Mr. BELIN. Did Oswald say why he left the building? Mr. HOLMES. No; other than just said he talked about this commotion and went out to see what it was about. --------------------- The bolded, underlined text is exactly what happened with the so-called rol call. Police took personal contact details before allowing people to leave. Did Oswald just correctly guess that that was what happened? His interrogation report says much the same: "When asked as to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated that when lunch time came, and he didn't say which floor he was on, he said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he stated "You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes." Before he could finish whatever he was doing, he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he went down stairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this, he simply walked out the front door of the building. I don't recall that anyone asked why he left or where or how he went. I just presumed that this had been covered in an earlier questioning. This was supported by some first day news stories citing unnamed police (probably ed Hickey) It was further supported by evidence from a fellow employee given to the HSCA and again deed-sixed. This in my opinion is how Oswald's name appeared at the top of Revill's employee list. No Baker. The cop was most likely Welcome Barnett who guarded the front entrance (though naturally he denied seeing Oswald leave). Greg, Great post. I've got a question about Holmes' testimony. If it's true that Oswald "wouldn't tell me what happened then," I wonder why not? Do you think Holmes was just being devious here? EDIT: Possible explanation -- Oswald didn't want to admit to Holmes that he left work without permission and after being told by his supervisor and / or a police officer to wait around for further questioning with the other TSBD workers. [...] Mr. BELIN. Did anyone say anything about Oswald saying anything about his leaving the Texas School Book Depository after the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He said, as I remember, actually, in answer to questions there, he mentioned that when lunchtime came, one of the Negro employees asked him if. he would like to sit and each lunch with him, and he said, "Yes, but I can't go right now." He said, "You go and take the elevator on down." No, he said, "You go ahead, but send the elevator back up." He didn't say up where, and he didn't mention what floor he was on. Nobody seemed to ask him. You see, I assumed that obvious questions like that had been asked in previous interrogation. So I didn't interrupt too much, but he said, "Send the elevator back up to me." Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about." And he wouldn't tell what happened then. [...] Thanks, --Tommy

He didn't have to change it. Fritz did. The only person who told the truth about his alibi was the much maligned Harry Holmes. Harry was brought in because of the PO boxes and weapons orders. He did his job on those stitching Oswald up. But they forgot to clue him in on the alibi and he gave it away. Mr. BELIN. Did anyone say anything about Oswald saying anything about his leaving the Texas School Book Depository after the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He said, as I remember, actually, in answer to questions there, he mentioned that when lunchtime came, one of the Negro employees asked him if. he would like to sit and each lunch with him, and he said, "Yes, but I can't go right now." He said, "You go and take the elevator on down." No, he said, "You go ahead, but send the elevator back up." He didn't say up where, and he didn't mention what floor he was on. Nobody seemed to ask him. You see, I assumed that obvious questions like that had been asked in previous interrogation. So I didn't interrupt too much, but he said, "Send the elevator back up to me." Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about." And he wouldn't tell what happened then. Mr. BELIN. Did he say where he was at the time of the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He just said he was still up in the building when the commotion-- he kind of---- Mr. BELIN. Did he gesture with his hands, do you remember? Mr. HOLMES. He talked with his hands all the time. He was handcuffed, but he was quiet--well, he was not what you call a stoic phlegmatic person. He is very definite with his talk and his eyes and his head, and he goes like that, you see. Mr. BELIN. Did Oswald say anything about seeing a man with a crewcut in front of the building as he was about to leave it? Do you remember anything about that? Mr. HOLMES. No. Mr. BELIN. You don't remember anything about that. Did he say anything about telling a man about going to a pay phone in the building? Mr. HOLMES. Policeman rushed--I take it back---I don't know whether he said a policeman or not--a man came rushing by and said, "Where's your telephone?" And the man showed him some kind of credential and I don't know that he identified the credential, so he might not have been a police officer, and said I am so and so, and shoved something at me which I didn't look at and said, "Where is the telephone?" And I said, "Right there," and just pointed in to the phone, and I went on out. Mr. BELIN. Did Oswald say why he left the building? Mr. HOLMES. No; other than just said he talked about this commotion and went out to see what it was about. --------------------- The bolded, underlined text is exactly what happened with the so-called rol call. Police took personal contact details before allowing people to leave. Did Oswald just correctly guess that that was what happened? His interrogation report says much the same: "When asked as to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated that when lunch time came, and he didn't say which floor he was on, he said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he stated "You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes." Before he could finish whatever he was doing, he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he went down stairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this, he simply walked out the front door of the building. I don't recall that anyone asked why he left or where or how he went. I just presumed that this had been covered in an earlier questioning. This was supported by some first day news stories citing unnamed police (probably ed Hickey) It was further supported by evidence from a fellow employee given to the HSCA and again deed-sixed. This in my opinion is how Oswald's name appeared at the top of Revill's employee list. No Baker. The cop was most likely Welcome Barnett who guarded the front entrance (though naturally he denied seeing Oswald leave). Greg, Great post. I've got a question about Holmes' testimony. If it's true that Oswald "wouldn't tell me what happened then," I wonder why not? Do you think Holmes was just being devious here? [...] Mr. BELIN. Did anyone say anything about Oswald saying anything about his leaving the Texas School Book Depository after the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He said, as I remember, actually, in answer to questions there, he mentioned that when lunchtime came, one of the Negro employees asked him if. he would like to sit and each lunch with him, and he said, "Yes, but I can't go right now." He said, "You go and take the elevator on down." No, he said, "You go ahead, but send the elevator back up." He didn't say up where, and he didn't mention what floor he was on. Nobody seemed to ask him. You see, I assumed that obvious questions like that had been asked in previous interrogation. So I didn't interrupt too much, but he said, "Send the elevator back up to me." Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about." And he wouldn't tell what happened then. [...] Thanks, --Tommy

Bill has a hard time believing Marrion Baker would lie. That's the bottom line. The DPD made no changes in Baker's affidavit. They simply typed it up. The 2nd floor lunch room story emerged through Truly later that night via the FBI. Weisberg never questioned that the 2nd floor encounter actually happened, and Marvin Johnson was the first indication of Oswald being present when the affidavit was taken. It is not possible for you to have taken the idea of "no lunchroom encounter" from Weisberg. You may have extrapolated from his work. But then, that is not the claim you are making. Johnson's statement: REPORT ON OFFICER'S DUTIES IN REGARD TO THE PRESIDENT'S MURDER MARVIN JOHNSON - #879 "While in the office [Fritz's] from 3:00pm until 2:00am I answered the phone and took an affidavit from Patrolman ML Baker. Patrolman Baker stated in his affidavit that he was riding escort on his motorcycle for the President's motorcade; that he heard the shots that killed the President and wounded Governor Connally; that he decided the shots were coming from the Texas School Book Depository Building. After determining the origin of the shots, he jumped from his motor and ran into the building. He found a man who said he was the building manager. Officer Baker and the building manager then went to a stairway and started up the stairs to search the building. On the 4th floor Officer Baker apprehended a man that was walking away from the stairway on that floor. Officer Baker started to search the man, but the building manager stated that the man was an employee of the company and was known to him. Officer Baker released the man and continued his search of the building. Officer Baker later identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man he had seen on the 4th floor of the Texas School Book Depository." "When Patrolman ML Baker identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man that he stopped in the Texas School Book Depository Building, Patrolman Baker was in the Homicide Bureau giving an affidavit and Oswald was brought into the room to talk to some Secret Service men. When Baker saw Oswald he stated, 'that is the man I stopped on the 4th floor of the School Book Depository.'" ------------------------------------------ I posted the above to McAdams' newsgroup in 2002. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/IjGQfgzWlEk The statement is not dated. It's sole purpose seems to be to cover Baker's butt because Baker most emphatically did NOT identify Oswald in his affidavit. But it also confirms that Baker had an encounter on the 4th floor and since that is a lot closer to the top of the building, suspicion is far more warranted - so those talking about the gun being pulled etc as being in itself suspicious, are not correct - not when you move the encounter to the right location. Truly allowed either another employee, or a stranger in the building, to escape Baker's clutches. I rule out another employee on the basis that there seems no reason to cover that up. Greg, Unfortunately, your link https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/IjGQfgzWlEk gives me "This Webpage Is Not Available." Bummer. Never mind. It works now. Once you get there you gotta click on the title / link "REPORT ON OFFICERS' DUTIES IN REGARD TO THE PRESIDENT'S MURDER..." near the top of the page. --Tommy

Thanks, Jim. My previous experience in trying to find and read specific HSCA documents on the Internet has been frustrating (if I remember correctly -- LOL). Are there any HSCA documents about Mather's relationship with Tippit which are viewable / readable on the Internet? Thanks again, --Tommy

Dear Jim, How do we know for sure that "Mather and his spouse were very close friends with Tippit and his wife"? Could you please source that statement with references to viewable documents, or is it just the opinion of another writer who didn't bother to source it? Thanks, --Tommy PS Fascinating if true!

Bumped because I put a lot of time into this post and I would appreciate some constructive feedback / observations. I mean, does anyone else even see the two suited guys I'm talking about at 0:45 of the youtube video? If so, do you agree with me that they could be the diminutive Truly on the left and O.V. Campbell next to him on the right? Does anyone else agree that that's Jeraldean Bray Reid (Mrs. Robert A. Reid) face that's barely visible in the Wiegman frame capture with the vertical red arrow? Please note once again that the photo of her sitting with Detective Jim Leavelle in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau office was taken on 11/23/63 while Leavelle was taking her affidavit. Thanks, --Tommy

Good find, Chris. If the part about Ms. Calvery being 10-15 feet behind Baker is going to be believed, though, we need to find a woman in a light coloured top. If the diminutive suit-and-hat-weating guy facing Baker in this frame is Truly, couldn't the tall suit-wearing-but-hatless guy at the left corner of the first step be Ochus Virgil Campbell? The guy I'm talking about is in the background and you can see his white shirt collar behind "Jumbo" who is more in the foreground. Didn't Campbell testify that he went down toward the grassy knoll after the final shot? And wasn't he supposedly with Truly somewhere in front of the TSBD during the assassination? Finding Campbell in Darnell / Crouch, Wiegman, etc, might help us to more positively identify Truly in them. IMHO, we really need a verified photo of O. V. Campbell to help us identify Campbell and Truly in the assassination films and photos. --Tommy

I'll love ripping it a new one Great rebuttal. Tells me you got nada. Yours is a truly great rebuttal, Greg. I'm sure he enjoys your ripping his "a new one." --Tommy

Mark, Aside from the fact that it's the "right" thing to do, it also benefits the research community as a whole for us to "source" (give credit for) films, photographs, enhancements, documents, previous research and perhaps even theories of other researchers / "researchers" for the simple fact that it makes it easier to "fact check" and "compare notes." I hereby confess that I am just as guilty as "the next guy" in failing to do so. --Tommy

I heard he'd started looking for someone a couple of weeks before that. Just kidding. --Tommy

I wish somebody would plagiarize me. --Tommy

Actually we don't, J. Raymond. All we have is film of him or another motorcycle officer running towards the steps. --Tommy Well if it is not Marion Baker shown in the Darnell film , then can you please name who it is? J. Raymond, Whoever it was (and I think it was Baker) he wasn't filmed actually running up the steps and entering the TSBD. Almost, but not quite. Unfortunately, Darnell started panning to the left at that point and "Baker" goes out of the frame. Here's the pertinent, stabilized segment from the Darnell film: BTW, isn't that diminutive, hat-and-dark-suit-wearing Roy Truly standing several feet in front of "Stetson Man"? He turns clockwise and watches "Baker" after the motorcycle policeman runs past him. No, I'm not talking about the big guy who turns and starts walking towards the TSBD to the right of "Stetson Man." The little, suit-and-hat-wearing guy I'm talking about is a little farther away, and to the left, directly in front of "Stetson Man." Isn't that little guy truly Roy Truly? Who is that big, lumbering, dumpy-looking guy on the right, anyway? He seems to be wearing a cap of some kind. Could that be the guy that Truly described as "a great big husky fellow," Jack Edwin Dougherty? If you look closely, you can see that these "Truly" and "Dougherty" figures seem to be communicating with each other, from a distance, at the beginning. [Credit: Gerda Dunckel] I think the motorcycle cop in this clip probably did run up the steps because he's still running fast when he gets to them, and the tall, dark-suited man at the base of the steps side-steps out of his way and motions him up the steps with his left hand. Question: Could that be Lovelady rising up from a kneeling or sitting position on the far left side of the steps, or is it a woman wearing a light-colored head scarf (which looks like a face) walking slowly up them? I personally think that Lovelady and Shelley were "captured" in the same film and Couch's a few seconds earlier while walking down the Elm Street Extension, so IMHO that couldn't be Lovelady rising up on the steps. When James Darnell's or Malcolm Couch's films are blown up and shown in super slow motion, I recognize the heads, hairlines, physiques, profiles, and clothing of L & S there on the Elm Street Extension sidewalk. Yes, I know that their testimony regarding their actions and the timing and Calvary and Truly and Baker is very problematic, but I still think it's Lovelady and Shelley walking down the Elm Street Extension sidewalk towards the railway yard. I am willing to be persuaded, photographically speaking, otherwise. --Tommy Does the woman in black (and wearing a black head scarf) pull the tall, dark-suited man at the left edge of the steps out of the (way by his right elbow) of the onrushing Baker (who runs behind them anyway)? FWIW I think that that woman can be seen during the assassination in the Wiegman film, standing in the street with another woman in black in the same line as Stetson Man and Jearldean Reid, et. al. --Tommy A question for Robert Prudhomme -- Even though Baker is not seen running up the steps in Couch / Darnell, isn't it reasonable to assume that he did so? I see no other reason for his running so fast across Elm Street Extension towards the TSBD front steps. I can't "see" him leaping up onto the sidewalk by the steps and then stopping to talk to someone or continuing to sprint down the sidewalk towards the corner, much less hanging a left at the corner and running back to the rear loading dock, or some such thing. Yes, I realize that it's a concern of yours that the only people who claimed to see Baker run up the front steps are potential "bad guys" themselves who colluded with Baker. I realize that that is a distinct possibility, but I also realize that in the chaos and confusion of the moment it's possible that several people who should have noticed Baker's running up the front steps simply didn't, perhaps because of the general chaos around them and the fact that their attention was riveted on what was going on down the street. It looks to me as though Baker veered a bit so he could run up the least crowded part of the steps -- the area to the immediate left of the central hand railing.

Fascinating is the fact that in her 1964 WC testimony, Jeraldean Reid (AKA Mrs. Robert A. Reid) said she was standing near Ochus Campbell and Roy Truly some distance directly in front of the front steps during the assassination and that Campbell told her that the shots had come from the Grassy Knoll area. EDIT: I just read her 11/23/63 affidavit (see below). In it she says she was standing near Campbell but that someone else said the shots had come from the Grassy Knoll area. This is different from what she testified later to the Warren Commission. Jeraldean Reid appears in a few photographs and films: The frame on the bottom right (with the vertical red arrow) is from the Dave Wiegman film. In the video below, that frame is easiest to see at 01:04. Please compare that frame with the frames viewable at 0.45 in the following version of the Wiegman film-- I believe the two suit-wearing men barely visible on the far right at 0:45 in the video (above the Chevy's right tail fin), just a few people away from where Jeraldean Reid was standing (she is hidden behind another woman at 0:45) could be Roy Truly and Ochus Campbell. FWIW, she said that about two minutes after the assassination she encountered, shortly after she entered her large second-floor office area, a t-shirt wearing Oswald passing through in the general direction of the front elevator / front stairs with a full bottle of Coke. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/reid.htm Her first name was not Jeraldine or Geraldine. It was Jeraldean. Her maiden name was Bray. She was born on August 24, 1912, so she was fifty-one years old on 11/22/63. --Tommy PS The photo of her sitting with Homicide Detective Jim Leavelle was taken on 11/23/63 according to Leavelle's April 7, 1964, WC testimony, ergo her different clothing. Mr. BALL. You went to work at what time Saturday morning, November 23, 1963? Mr. LEAVELLE. It would be around 8 o'clock, I imagine. Mr. BALL. And did you take some statements that day? Mr. LEAVELLE. Chances are I may have, I do not remember. Mr. BALL. Here is---- Mr. LEAVELLE. It says took one affidavit from R. S. Truly, supervisor of Texas School Book and the other of employee, Mrs. R. A. Reid. Mr. BALL. You are refreshing your memory from a report that you made, is that correct? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes. Here is Reid's 11/23/63 affidavit from the Dallas Municipal Archives: 51. Affidavit In Any Fact typed, by Mrs. R. A. Reid. Statement as an employee of the Texas School Book Depository. States she saw Oswald leave the back office near the lunch room after the shooting, 11/23/63. 00001327 1 page 05 02 051 1327-001.gif http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/index.html

The only information I've been able to glean from the Internet regarding Texas School Book Depository President Ochus Virgil Campbell is that he was born in Oklahoma on November 26, 1908, and died on such-and-such date in 1997. According to the 1940 Census, he was living in Dallas, married, working as a "bookkeeper," and there were no children in the household. He would have been 33 years old (if my math is right) when the U.S. entered WW II but I can find no military records for him at ancestry.com. Was he 4-F or exempted from military service for some other reason? I also can find no obituary for him. According to some genealogy websites, it almost looks like after he divorced his first wife (or she died?), he married her daughter (who had the same name as her mother) ! A very mysterious man IMHO... PS Fascinating is the fact that Jeraldean Reid (Mrs. Robert Anthony Reid) said she was standing in the street directly in front of the front steps near Ochus Campbell and Roy Truly during the assassination and that Campbell told her a few seconds after it happened that the shots had come from the Grassy Knoll area. Mrs. REID. And I turned to Mr. Campbell and I said, "Oh, my goodness, I am afraid those came from our building," because it seemed like they came just so directly over my head, and then I looked up in the windows, and saw three colored boys up there, I only recognized one because I didn't know the rest of them so well. Mr. BELIN. Which one did you know? Mrs. REID. James Jarman. Mr. BELIN. before you turned and went back into the building did you---did Mr. Campbell say anything to you? Mrs. REID. He said, "Oh, Mrs. Reid, no, it came from the grassy area down this way," and that was the last I said to him. Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else of people running or doing anything else? Mrs. REID. No; because I ran into the building. I do not recall seeing anyone in the lobby. I ran up to our office. Mr. BELIN. You went into the building in the main lobby? Mrs. REID. Yes; I did. Mr. BELIN. Did you take the elevator or the stairs? Mrs. REID. No; I went up the stairs. --Tommy

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Jack, I am going to put an end to this ridiculous claim you have made about the woman [Calvery] being black. You asked for my credentials at photo analysis and I am going to let the woman you say is black do the talking for me .... The woman in question was the late Gloria J. Calvery, a white, 21-year-old employee of Southwestern Publishing Company in the TSBD. Her March 1964 statement appears in Warren Commission exhibit 1381, which is reproduced on page 631 of volume 22. Note where she said, "I am of the Caucasian race" : http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol22_0334b.htm Take a look at Don Roberdeau's Dealey Plaza map and you'll see where she was standing: http://members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/JFK/DP.jpg About 8 or 9 years ago, Gary Mack, after speaking at a University of Texas at Dallas JFK class, met her son, who was in the audience. He knew what his mother was wearing and where she stood because they had seen her in the Zapruder film. Calvery's son was white. Unfortunately, Gloria died before Gary had a chance to speak with her. So once again, Jack - you have relied on a poor image and your poor interpretation skills to make yet another false claim. You could have checked the facts first and then posted your thoughts, but as usual you had chosen not to do so. So I am wrong, Mark is wrong, Richard is wrong, the alleged black woman is wrong, and her son is wrong and only you are correct about her skin color ... least ways in your world! Bill Miller bumped

This is an interesting discovery. I think this just about confirms that Gloria Little was, indeed, Gloria Calvery. No matter how many times I compare the photos, I just can't reconcile that Gloria Little is the woman seen in the Darnell still. Robert, "Just about"? I showed the photos of Gloria Jean Little and Gloria Calvary [sic] to a waitress I know who has no interest in the assassination. She said that they could be the same girl / woman. She could have dyed her hair black and taken her glasses off or been wearing contacts. My waitress friend also pointed out that the photos of Calvary [sic] and Little are of different sides of her face and that her face could have gotten thinner during those four years... --Tommy Well, that cinches it then. It passed the waitress test, so that must be Calvery in the Darnell still. Why don't you ask a woman or two (without trying to influence them one way or another, Bob), and see what they say? You're probably right, though. Mrs. Gloria J. Calvery probably wasn't the married name of Gloria Jean Little who grew up in Grand Prairie, Texas, and married Robert L. Calvery, and at at whose wedding "Bill Shelley of Dallas" was the best man. --Tommy PS You could always wait until the next major holiday to try calling her brother.