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Hi David, Just a side note: It's been speculated by some that the dark complected, cap-wearing man walking across the grass with "Rip Robertson" and "John Adrian O'Hare" in the Cancellare photo is Herminio Diaz Garcia. As regards Pedro Diaz Lanz, it's been suggested that he's the man visible standing at the curb wearing a dark sport coat and white pants. The same white pants wearing guy is caught earlier in a film as he starts walking across the "infield grass" towards the Grassy Knoll from the general direction of the Terminal Annex Building immediately before the fatal head shot. --Tommy Tommy - I have the name confused. I see who you have identified at the Elm Street curb in Cancellare (top), and in your post on a film taken from the south, as Diaz Lanz. I was referring to the man in Cancellare standing with hands at sides near Charles Brehm and son, who is also on Main Street in the alleged Altgens photo (bottom) with "Robertson," "O'Hare" and "Hemming." His dark hair is receding, and he's just behind "Conein." He has been pegged as a Cuban by some observers in the past. Which Cuban? I can't find the reference, even in FFDIP. I see, however, that this is not Pedro Diaz Lanz. Does anyone remember the identification once attributed to this guy? Speaking of the "Hunt" figure in Dealey, is it possible that the man in the hat hidden behind the cop's helmet in the alleged Altgens below is that "Hunt" figure in Cancellare ? The Main-Houston pack seems to have migrated together, with "Hemming" now by the NE pergola. 5108986598_920a7390d9_z.jpgAltgens4recon3.jpg David, Are you thinking of Operation 40's Guillermo Novo? http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKnovoG.htm --Tommy

[...] --Tommy PS By the way, I think the guy walking across the street from the direction of the Terminal Annex Building wearing the dark sport coat and white pants could very well be Pedro Diaz Lanz. The same guy is shown standing at the Elm street curb on the "infield grass" right after the assassination, and may be the same guy that Tan Jacket Man possibly hands something to in a secretive manner in the Hughes film. Question for Robert Mady: Who took the film you put in this post with the little red box around Charles Brehm? It's always a good idea to give the photographer credit, Robert, if you know who it is. It's also useful for other researchers and students of the assassination so they don't have to spend a lot of time wracking their brain and / or doing Google searches to determine who shot / filmed it. Thank you, --Tommy

Hi David, Just a side note: It's been speculated by some that the dark complected, cap-wearing man walking across the grass with "Rip Robertson" and "John Adrian O'Hare" in the Cancellare photo is Herminio Diaz Garcia. As regards Pedro Diaz Lanz, it's been suggested that he's the man visible standing at the curb wearing a dark sport coat and white pants. The same white pants wearing guy is caught earlier in a film as he starts walking across the "infield grass" towards the Grassy Knoll from the general direction of the Terminal Annex Building immediately before the fatal head shot. --Tommy

Ron, This dude's ears do seem to stick out like Hunt's did before he had cosmetic surgery done on them. --Tommy

Get James Richards, Greg Parker, and Tosh Plumlee to come back. LOL --Tommy

Douglas, Yes. That would be Dallas Postal Inspector and FBI "T-7" informant Harry D. Holmes whose fifth-floor office was on the north-east corner (the corner closest to the camera in the photo below) of theTerminal Annex Building, which was, and still is, on the south side of Dealey Plaza, directly across from the Texas School Book Depository. Harry was a multi-faceted guy. LOL http://www.jfklancer.com/Holmes.html He testified that from his office window he and some others watched, with his binoculars, the motorcade pass through the plaza. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/holmes1.htm When I interviewed, a few years ago in San Diego, a since-deceased, long-time ONI Special Agent who was born in Texas, who had often traveled from southern California to Dallas on ONI business, who was a personal friend of DPD polygraph officer Paul Bentley ("The Man Who Arrested Oswald"), and who was an acquaintance / colleague of several other police officers, FBI agents, ONI agents, etc, in Dallas), the retired ONI Special Agent told me that he "very probably" conducted, by himself, the ONI's "investigation" of Oswald at Marine Corps Air Station El Toro in late 1959 ("Because I was one of the ONI's best investigators", and "El Toro was in my territory"), but that if he did so it was with his having no stenographer with him, his not wearing a suit, and his not being with a bunch of other suited agents (all of which reported by John Newman in Oswald and the CIA as happening during the probable CIA investigation of Oswald at El Toro which, according to Newman, took place shortly after Oswald "defected" and threatened to give the Russians military secrets which probably involved the CIA 's U-2 spy plane). But the important thing as far as this thread is concerned is that when I asked the retired ONI Special Agent where the ONI office was located in Dallas in 1963, he said, "It was in the post office building. Across the street. It was in the building that Kennedy was killed from." I was sorely tempted to remind him that, according to conventional wisdom, JFK was shot from the Texas School Book Depository and that it didn't have a post office in it, but I "bit my tongue" and just said that JFK was killed in Dealey Plaza and that the large Terminal Annex Building was on the south side of Dealey Plaza and it had a post office in it. When I said these things, the former ONI special agent looked a bit like "a deer caught in the headlights". He just said "yes" and sat there staring at me. Months later I was thinking about what he had said and realized that maybe he hadn't meant that Kennedy was actually shot from the Terminal Annex Building, but that that was where the assassination command center was situated, which in turn reminded me of Harry D. Holmes and his colleagues watching the assassination from his fifth-floor, north-east corner office window(s) which afforded excellent views of the TSBD, the Dal-Tex Building, the Grassy Knoll, the Triple Overpass, the Railway Yards, etc. And I was also reminded of Harry's binoculars which, strangely enough, Warren Commission lawyer David Belin seemed to have been aware of before he questioned Holmes. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/holmes1.htm The fact that the Terminal Annex Building is very near where Kennedy was killed, added to the fact that the retired ONI Special Agent told me, in so many words, that the Dallas ONI office was in the Terminal Annex Building is very interesting given the fact that Oswald was probably sent to Russia in 1959 by the ONI as part of its "false defector program"... So now, Douglas, your recent posts are making me wonder if Harry D. Holmes and "friends" in that federal building weren't just watching the assassination through binoculars, but were communicating from that office and / or filming the assassination, as well. If so, then maybe that was the film in which the intelligence agent with whom you communicated noticed E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis. I think a good reason for the bad guys to film the assassination like that would be to allow them to capture the faces in the crowd and study them later to determine which of these witnesses might need to be intimidated or eliminated, and also to see if any other uninvited bad guys had been in attendance. For what it's worth, I actually did a little research (research??!) about a year ago and found out that the Navy had a "Recruitment Office" in the Terminal Annex Building around 1963. A mail carrier by the name of Mark Bell not only took some ground-level footage before and immediately after the assassination, but also some post-assassination footage of the TSBD and Dealey Plaza, etc, from an upper floor of the Terminal Annex Building before returning to work that day. What he shot from there shows pretty much the same view that Holmes and friends had from their fifth floor window and is viewable from 1:39 thru 2:10 (and elsewhere towards the end of the clip) in the "Bell Film" as posted on the following website: http://altereddimensions.net/2013/multiple-different-jfk-assassination-films-each-shown-normal-speed-followed-by-12-speed-slow-motion-version --Tommy edited of course and bumped PS After flattering me profusely before the interview for my "high intelligence" and "varied life experiences" (and suggesting that I go to work for the CIA), when I was getting ready to leave he said, "I'm beginning to think you're a double agent." LOL Bumped

Robert, I already looked at your GD animated gif in post #175. A couple of times. Let me rephrase it for you. I don't think Hill started looking to HIS right as early as you think he did. What's so hard to understand about that? At the point where you think he STARTS looking to HIS right in post #175, I think he's still looking almost straight ahead at JFK or Jackie in the limo. Jeez... --Tommy edited and bumped

Robert, I already looked at the GD animated gif in post #175. A couple of times. Let me rephrase it for you. I don't think Hill started looking to HIS right as early as you think he did. What's so hard to understand about that? At the point where you think he starts looking to HIS right in post #175, I think he's still looking almost straight ahead at JFK or Jackie in the limo. Jeez... --Tommy

Robert, Sorry, but I don't think Hill starts looking to his right quite as early as you do. I think he's still looking at the limo. --Tommy

Or maybe looked to see if his son was okay after hearing the first gunshot? --Tommy

Thanks Robert, Then I gotta ask if that doesn't constitute evidence that at least one Secret Service agent reacted to gunfire before Z-313, which evidence you stated didn't exist in your post #163, above. Assuming, of course, that the fatal head shot occurred at Z-313... --Tommy

A question for Robert Mady: At which Z-frame did Secret Service agent Hill start leaving the Queen Mary? Not until after Z-313? Not trying to be a smart xxx, just asking an honest question. --Tommy PS By the way, I think the guy walking across the street from the direction of the Terminal Annex Building wearing the dark sport coat and white pants could very well be __________ . (I'll think of his name in a minute...) Edit: Diaz Lanz! The same guy is shown standing at the Elm street curb on the "infield grass" right after the assassination, and may be the same guy that Tan Jacket Man possibly hands something to in a secretive manner in the Hughes film.

Shaw depicted the wound on Gregory Exhibit 1, and then again for the HSCA. He remembered it as being an elliptical wound, 1 1/2 cm long, straight up and down. He was obviously wrong about this. Dr. Baden inspected the scar in 1978 and reported it as being a 1 1/8 inch horizontal scar. This was in keeping with the holes on the clothing, which were also horizontal. Pat, Robert, James, Gary-- It's refreshing to see four highly intelligent and well informed researchers debate an issue on this forum in such a well written and polite manner. Just thought I'd throw that in and try to grab a little bit of the limelight. I'm so desperate I'm even thinking about submitting a new profile picture of me wearing a bright red shirt. Carry on, --Tommy

Douglas, Yes. That would be Dallas Postal Inspector and FBI "T-7" informant Harry D. Holmes whose fifth-floor office was on the north-east corner (the corner closest to the camera in the photo below) of theTerminal Annex Building, which was, and still is, on the south side of Dealey Plaza, directly across from the Texas School Book Depository. Harry was a multi-faceted guy. LOL http://www.jfklancer.com/Holmes.html He testified that from his office window he and some others watched, with his binoculars, the motorcade pass through the plaza. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/holmes1.htm When I interviewed, a few years ago in San Diego, a since-deceased, long-time ONI Special Agent who was born in Texas, who had often traveled from southern California to Dallas on ONI business, who was a personal friend of DPD polygraph officer Paul Bentley ("The Man Who Arrested Oswald"), and who was an acquaintance / colleague of several other police officers, FBI agents, ONI agents, etc, in Dallas), the retired ONI Special Agent told me that he "very probably" conducted, by himself, the ONI's "investigation" of Oswald at Marine Corps Air Station El Toro in late 1959 ("Because I was one of the ONI's best investigators", and "El Toro was in my territory"), but that if he did so it was with his having no stenographer with him, his not wearing a suit, and his not being with a bunch of other suited agents (all of which reported by John Newman in Oswald and the CIA as happening during the probable CIA investigation of Oswald at El Toro which, according to Newman, took place shortly after Oswald "defected" and threatened to give the Russians military secrets which probably involved the CIA 's U-2 spy plane). But the important thing as far as this thread is concerned is that when I asked the retired ONI Special Agent where the ONI office was located in Dallas in 1963, he said, "It was in the post office building. Across the street. It was in the building that Kennedy was killed from." I was sorely tempted to remind him that, according to conventional wisdom, JFK was shot from the Texas School Book Depository and that it didn't have a post office in it, but I "bit my tongue" and just said that JFK was killed in Dealey Plaza and that the large Terminal Annex Building was on the south side of Dealey Plaza and it had a post office in it. When I said these things, the former ONI special agent looked a bit like "a deer caught in the headlights". He just said "yes" and sat there staring at me. Months later I was thinking about what he had said and realized that maybe he hadn't meant that Kennedy was actually shot from the Terminal Annex Building, but that that was where the assassination command center was situated, which in turn reminded me of Harry D. Holmes and his colleagues watching the assassination from his fifth-floor, north-east corner office window(s) which afforded excellent views of the TSBD, the Dal-Tex Building, the Grassy Knoll, the Triple Overpass, the Railway Yards, etc. And I was also reminded of Harry's binoculars which, strangely enough, Warren Commission lawyer David Belin seemed to have been aware of before he questioned Holmes. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/holmes1.htm The fact that the Terminal Annex Building is very near where Kennedy was killed, added to the fact that the retired ONI Special Agent told me, in so many words, that the Dallas ONI office was in the Terminal Annex Building is very interesting given the fact that Oswald was probably sent to Russia in 1959 by the ONI as part of its "false defector program"... So now, Douglas, your recent posts are making me wonder if Harry D. Holmes and "friends" in that federal building weren't just watching the assassination through binoculars, but were communicating from that office and / or filming the assassination, as well. If so, then maybe that was the film in which the intelligence agent with whom you communicated noticed E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis. I think a good reason for the bad guys to film the assassination like that would be to allow them to capture the faces in the crowd and study them later to determine which of these witnesses might need to be intimidated or eliminated, and also to see if any other uninvited bad guys had been in attendance. For what it's worth, I actually did a little research (research??!) about a year ago and found out that the Navy had a "Recruitment Office" in the Terminal Annex Building around 1963. A mail carrier by the name of Mark Bell not only took some ground-level footage before and immediately after the assassination, but also some post-assassination footage of the TSBD and Dealey Plaza, etc, from an upper floor of the Terminal Annex Building before returning to work that day. What he shot from there shows pretty much the same view that Holmes and friends had from their fifth floor window and is viewable from 1:39 thru 2:10 (and elsewhere towards the end of the clip) in the "Bell Film" as posted on the following website: http://altereddimensions.net/2013/multiple-different-jfk-assassination-films-each-shown-normal-speed-followed-by-12-speed-slow-motion-version --Tommy edited of course and bumped PS After flattering me profusely before the interview for my "high intelligence" and "varied life experiences" (and suggesting that I go to work for the CIA), when I was getting ready to leave he said, "I'm beginning to think you're a double agent." LOL

According to Michael Cain, during 1972 and 1973 Cain was involved in the smuggling of drugs, diamonds and emeralds from Mexico to the US for Sam Giancana. The two men also opened a casino in Beirut. They also planned to build casinos in Tehran and Malta. In December 1972 Cain spent time with Giancana and Phyllis McGuire in Honolulu. In January 1973 he contacted William Roemer and told him that he had fallen out with Giancana and wanted to make contact with the FBI in Mexico City. The agent reported back to Roemer that Cain "wants to prepare reports of everything he knows about Giancana and his associates" and "that he would be able to furnish sufficient information to get an indictment for Giancana within the year". Richard Cain's specialty was bugging telephones and doing phoneline taps. Wonder if he could have been working for However, I am not convinced this row really happened as by April they were back working together. Apparently, Sam Giancana was upset when he heard about Cain's death. He told friends he was like a son to him. However, he had been in no position to protect him from the mafia. Michael Cain argues that one of the gunman was Butch Petrocelli, who was himself murdered six months later. His mouth and nose was covered with duct tape, to keep him from screaming while his face was melted with a blowtorch. The other gunman is believed to be Harry Aleman. He is also believed to be the killer of Sam Giancana. He is currently in prison for other offences. Richard Cain was a made man in the Giancana outfit and he protected Sam Giancana's interests from his high-level job within the Chicago Police Department and later as an investigator in the Sheriff's Department. He was a Mafia/CIA phone-tapping specialist. I read somewhere that he was working for the Mexican government in Mexico City as recently as August, 1963. He was, you know, a phone tapping specialist. The CIA's LI/ENVOY program was a phone tapping project which just happened to be staffed and monitored by Mexico's corrupt, CIA-sponsored DFS. As independently pointed out by John Newman and Bill Simpich, LI/ENVOY was "penetrated" by people impersonating Oswald and Sylvia Duran in phone calls made to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City. Not to sound overly pedantic, but LI/ENVOY was part of William Harvey's top secret CIA-NSA intercept program "Division / Staff D," which was also a perfect place to hide Richard Bissell's ZR/RIFLE defector and foreign-leader assassination project. Now I'm starting to wonder if it was Richard Cain's (or David Christ's) voice on the Mexico City phone calls to the Soviet Embassy, instead of Oswald's. --Tommy It's said that Richard Cain could speak Spanish. I wonder if he or David Christ were capable of speaking "terrible, hardly recognizable" Russian? --Tommy

Douglas, Yes. That would be Dallas Postal Inspector and FBI "T-7" informant Harry D. Holmes whose fifth-floor office was on the north-east corner (the corner closest to the camera in the photo below) of theTerminal Annex Building, which was, and still is, on the south side of Dealey Plaza, directly across from the Texas School Book Depository. Harry was a multi-faceted guy. LOL http://www.jfklancer.com/Holmes.html He testified that from his office window he and some others watched, with his binoculars, the motorcade pass through the plaza. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/holmes1.htm When I interviewed, a few years ago in San Diego, a since-deceased, long-time ONI Special Agent who was born in Texas, who had often traveled from southern California to Dallas on ONI business, who was a personal friend of DPD polygraph officer Paul Bentley ("The Man Who Arrested Oswald"), and who was an acquaintance / colleague of several other police officers, FBI agents, ONI agents, etc, in Dallas), the retired ONI Special Agent told me that he "very probably" conducted, by himself, the ONI's "investigation" of Oswald at Marine Corps Air Station El Toro in late 1959 ("because he was one of the ONI's best investigators", and "El Toro was in his territory"), but that if he did so it was with his having no stenographer with him, his not wearing a suit, and his not being with a bunch of other suited agents (all three things reported by John Newman in Oswald and the CIA as happening during the probable CIA investigation of Oswald at El Toro which, according to Newman, took place shortly after Oswald "defected" and threatened to give the Russians some military secrets which probably involved the CIA 's U-2 spy plane). But the important thing as far as this thread is concerned is the fact that when I asked the retired ONI Special Agent where the ONI office was located in Dallas in 1963, he said "It was in the post office building. Across the street. It was in the building Kennedy was killed from." I was tempted to remind him that, according to conventional wisdom, JFK was shot from the TSBD, but I "bit my tongue" and instead mentioned that JFK was killed in Dealey Plaza and that the Terminal Annex Building was on the south side of Dealey Plaza and it had a post office in it. When I said these things, the former ONI special agent looked a bit like "a deer caught in the headlights", and he just said "yes" and sat there staring at me. Months later I was thinking about what he had said and realized that maybe he hadn't meant that Kennedy was actually shot from the Terminal Annex Building, but that that was where the assassination command center was situated, which in turn reminded me of Harry D. Holmes and his colleagues watching the assassination from his fifth-floor, north-east corner office window(s) which afforded excellent views of the TSBD, the Dal-Tex Building, the Grassy Knoll, the Triple Overpass, the Railway Yards, etc. And I was also reminded of Harry's binoculars which, strangely enough, Warren Commission lawyer David Belin seemed to have been aware of before he questioned Holmes. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/holmes1.htm The fact that the Terminal Annex Building is very near where Kennedy was killed, added to the fact that the retired ONI Special Agent told me, in so many words, that the Dallas ONI office was in the Terminal Annex Building is very interesting given the fact that Oswald was probably sent to Russia in 1959 by the ONI as part of its "false defector program"... So now, Douglas, your recent posts are making me wonder if Harry D. Holmes and "friends" in that federal building weren't just watching the assassination through binoculars, but were communicating from that office and / or filming the assassination, as well. If so, then maybe that was the film in which the intelligence agent with whom you communicated noticed E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis. I think a good reason for the bad guys to film the assassination like that would be to allow them to study the faces in the crowd later to help them determine which of the witnesses might need to be intimidated or eliminated, and also to see if any other uninvited bad guys had been in attendance. For what it's worth, I actually did a little research (research?!) about a year ago and found out that the Navy had a "Recruitment Office" in the Terminal Annex Building around 1963. A mail carrier by the name of Mark Bell not only took some ground-level footage before and immediately after the assassination, but also some post-assassination footage of the TSBD and Dealey Plaza, etc, from an upper floor of the Terminal Annex Building before returning to work that day. What he shot from there shows pretty much the same view that Holmes and friends had from their fifth floor window and is viewable from 1:39 thru 2:10 (and elsewhere towards the end of the clip) in the "Bell Film" as posted on the following website: http://altereddimensions.net/2013/multiple-different-jfk-assassination-films-each-shown-normal-speed-followed-by-12-speed-slow-motion-version --Tommy

I wonder if it was the allegedly missing original Orville Nix film? --Tommy

--Tommy

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Robert, I do not have my notes with me as I am busy on another topic. If I remember correctly, the exit wound was just below the right nipple. The exit would was created by two missiles: the bone fragments and the bullet. The image of Connally's short shows the bullet damage to the right of Connally's right nipple. The bullet certainly exited through the wound but it was towards the right edge of the wound --- as demonstrated by the shirt damage. If your second point is suggesting that JFK and Connally were not wounded at the same time: that is exactly my point. No Connally did not need to be turned to the right when he was wounded. The angle from the 6th floor west window was sufficient for that trajectory angle. Robert Shaw made it very clear the bullet was not tumbling: it is in his evidence. The muscles that link and join the ribs were not damage. Robert Shaw stated for that to happen the bullet had to be traveling in a direct line and not to be tumbling. Had these muscles been damaged then that would have indicated the bullet might have been tumbling. See Robert Shaw's press conference on the Saturday. He states very clearly that the bullet slapped into the rib and did not enter the chest cavity. James. Robert, I do not have my notes with me as I am busy on another topic. If I remember correctly, the exit wound was just below the right nipple. The exit would was created by two missiles: the bone fragments and the bullet. The image of Connally's short shows the bullet damage to the right of Connally's right nipple. The bullet certainly exited through the wound but it was towards the right edge of the wound --- as demonstrated by the shirt damage. If your second point is suggesting that JFK and Connally were not wounded at the same time: that is exactly my point. No Connally did not need to be turned to the right when he was wounded. The angle from the 6th floor west window was sufficient for that trajectory angle. Robert Shaw made it very clear the bullet was not tumbling: it is in his evidence. The muscles that link and join the ribs were not damage. Robert Shaw stated for that to happen the bullet had to be traveling in a direct line and not to be tumbling. Had these muscles been damaged then that would have indicated the bullet might have been tumbling. See Robert Shaw's press conference on the Saturday. He states very clearly that the bullet slapped into the rib and did not enter the chest cavity. James. I was just thinking that we "researchers" are fortunate that Connally survived the shooting because it means that, in addition to his later obviously being able to talk about the incident, his wounds were surgically repaired and medically treated and therefore (theoretically) documented. If he had died, who knows? Maybe there wouldn't even have been an autopsy! LOL --Tommy

Steven, Did President Kennedy actually approve this attack on Guantanamo Naval Base? Thanks, --Tommy bumped

Thank You for your valuable research. When I think of SS in Dallas, I think of the following EVERYTHING IS PUSHED BACK IN THE "POTUS PARADE" thus opening up shooting lanes in DP.Atomic Suitcase News/Photograhic people motorcycles agents to the sides of the Limo ++++++++++++++++++++ Very ODD to me is that the man in the Z film with the hat surrounded by women later gave approved 'tours' of DP and stated to me ,"...why the limo didnt even slow down." He was very,very very short (under 5' 3") and thus the women around him were very,very short. Thus opening up shooting lanes in DP over them. SG What kind of hat was this "really really really short guy surrounded by women" in the Z-film wearing, Steven? A Hard hat? A Fedora? A Cowboy hat? A Mickey Mouse hat? (LOL Just kidding, Steven) To whom are you referring, Steven? --Tommy

Dear Steven, Believe it or not, I'm not trying to pick on you. But I was wondering..... Could you please make your posts like the last one significantly shorter in the future ? Thank you, --Tommy

We all expect and look forward to a lot more of your excellent work, Bob. Nellie was signalling to the snipers with her yellow roses! LOL --Tommy

BOB, How about self-preservation and waving to the snipers at the same time? LOL Carry on, Bob. --Tommy PS Since you've proved that Nellie is frantically trying to tell the snipers that they hit the wrong guy, and since her husband John was an old-time crony of LBJ, my God do you know what you've done, Bob? You've just proved that LBJ killed JFK!