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  1. Tom I'm old school, and still retain/purchase print versions of JFK books that I value. They fill up my bookshelves, and I lend them out to folks who are interested in diving into the JFK story and learning about the assassination. I am frequently asked (as the infamous person in the family "into the JFK thing") what are the best books to read. Joe McBride's book is on my short list, and I share it with those who want a balanced and insightful view of the mysteries surrounding John Kennedy's murder. What impresses me about McBride's work is (a) he is a journalist, experienced writer an
  2. The Witt story doesn't pass the "Bozo test". He is not interviewed, nor does he come forward for many years, until HSCA ... but he is the closest human witness to the most controversial event of the century? It simply feels wrong and is not credible. The symbolic nature of Appeasement is a rationalization ... nice try, but its isolated and odd. Where are other similar protesters? Where are all of the other umbrellas? For the record, type casting people as liberal or conservative, conspiracist or lone-nut, pro-choice or right to life -- even Democrat or Republican -- is a old school
  3. Tom Joseph McBride's book is certainly worth reading ... a bit long and quite detailed. But thought provoking. Gene
  4. We should all fold up tent and go home, right? Its all about conspiracy theorists, and their flawed logic. And obviously, you are an expert in quantum mechanics. The guy with the umbrella was Witt, he had a simple reason for what he did, and we should all get over it ... nothing suspicious. I know I'll regret pushing back and stating this, but you protest way too much: Conspiracy theorists have essentially formalized the tendency to assume agency, deliberateness, and sinister motivations in the quirky details of events. Conspiracy theories are often an exercise in anomaly hunting. W
  5. Tom Nice to see you back. Id only be speculating if I said that Westbrook had personal reasons for using Tippit. My logic would be that Westbrook had access to all personnel files, so he knew who could be manipulated or used, and what personal details could be exploited. It seems that "they" (Westbrook and above) used Tippit. I have always been drawn to the Tippit story, and especially Captain Westbrook. We just known precious little about with of them. Given Joseph McBride's excellent work pursuing this story (for many years), and digging deep, Id think he would have the best sen
  6. His son Ralph didn't seem to know much about his father's involvement in the Tippit murder and Oswald arrest. Nor was their any resolution to the allegation that Westbrook was a member of the 488th reserve. Westbrook did divorce his wife, and then remarried and got back together in 1994 (two years before he passed away). He did testify before both the Warren Commission and the HSCA, but never mentioned the wallet. For someone so central to the Tippit murder scene and DPD apprehension of Oswald, there is precious little known about Captain Westbrook. Its strange (and stands out) ... in con
  7. The theatrical nature of the Tippit narrative has always been of great interest to me ... more so than the intricacies of Dealey Plaza, potential shooters, the autopsy, or any other aspect of the entire assassination saga. Unlike all of those other subplots, the Tippit story reveals quite a lot about the plot (and plotters). Westbrook and Hill stand out like a sore thumb ... they are quick to arrive at each prominent scene - Book Depository, 10th and Patton, and the Texas Theater - and quick to leave, but have no functional or investigatory reason to be there. Tippit's murder near Oswald's
  8. Steve: Westbrook is interesting. He was with DPD for many years (starting in 1940, at age 22) and rose to the rank of Captain by 1963. He left DPD in 1965 and spends 4-5 years in Saigon with the US AID. Following the assassination, he remained with DPD for about two years (perhaps to see the Warren Commission through) and then "retired" and went overseas to get away from the limelight and out of the country, when he was still relatively unknown as far as suspects in the plot and assassination go. I think this was done with many of the players and participants (e.g. Morales, Hunt) to t
  9. Westbrook is clearly a person of interest. Why would a personnel officer - one who conducts background investigations, vets Police Academy recruits, and investigates personnel complaints - be at a crime scene? We are led to believe that Westbrook sent officers from his Personnel Research Bureau to the Texas School Book Depository immediately after the assassination. He then shows up at the Tippit scene (in civilian clothes), after allegedly walking to the Book Depository to "help start the search". His whereabouts for the next hour are mighty intriguing, to say the least, yet he didn’t hav
  10. Jim/Michael The more that I study Angleton, the more I believe he was not loyal to either the CIA or US interests. I would not be surprised - if (and when) we reach full knowledge of this byzantine JFK story - that he was in cahoots somehow with Kim Philby, subverting the CIA at every turn (e.g. Golitsyn/Nosenko), and more aligned with Israel and Mossad than we could imagine. I look forward to the release of the Lisa Pease book on RFK. Having studied Robert Kennedy's murder, there are legitimate suspects like Michael Wayne (real name Wien), Khaibar Khan and Maryam Koucham who poi
  11. Ron Lisa's book "A Lie Too Big to Fail" is scheduled for release on November 20th. Mike: One logical and obvious thing that always occurs to me when I ponder the role and actions of James Angleton is that he had past experience and connections to many of the principals whom one suspects had a hand in the planning of the assassination (Harvey, Dulles, Phillips, Italy, CMC, Mafia, Mossad). And, if he didn't somehow orchestrate the operation, he surely must have known something was going on. For a senior official in a federal agency (one responsible for the counterintelligence
  12. I agree with Jim. This lead-in has the effect of a back-handed compliment: While most conspiracy theories aren’t worth individually debunking, this is worth notice both because of the extensive citations in Newman’s 600+ page book, his background in intelligence, and his history professorship all lend his reporting an air of authenticity. This debunking of his concluding speculation isn’t meant to denigrate his work, or address the full text of Oswald and the CIA, but only the conclusions Newman offers in the epilogue and elsewhere. Newman, for his part, has the clarity to call these con
  13. Joe In the context of whistle blowers (and Steve's response), Galileo was persecuted by the powerful Catholic Church's Inquisition. His Heliocentric theory was presented as a 'truth' which rankled the powers that be, and he suffered persecution as a result. After many years, history and science ultimately vindicated Galileo. I'd think his case is similar to what Robert Groden has experienced. So, it matters not what the "official" or popular story line is, as some believe ... the facts are undeniable. Perhaps - as Galileo was purportedly saying to his inquisitors - Gary Mack did
  14. This is for Steve and Joe: The phrase Eppur si muove is attributed to the Italian mathematician, physicist and philosopher Galileo Galilei in 1633 after being forced to recant his claims that the Earth moves around the immovable Sun. The quotation is attributed to when he was being investigated by the Inquisition. Under pressure, he supposedly said (against his beliefs) that the Sun did indeed move around the earth then added, sotto voce, Eppur si muove. Its use in modern language is for when we acknowledge what someone else is saying, but we want to convince them otherwise. As such, the
  15. Jim I have a friend who has read H&L and would like to contact and talk with John Armstrong when he visits Hawaii. Is there an address or contact that you would be willing to share Thanks Gene
  16. The comment by Garrison is right on. I'd submit that - to this day - it is not popular to ascribe to any theories that deviate from the Warren Commission's official account, as revised by the HSCA. Those - like the talented researchers on this Forum, who dig deeper and aren't satisfied with the historic account - are not universally well received. My own personal experience (and I'm not an author or serious researcher) has been that - when folks find out that I'm "into" the JFK thing, they are simply not that interested. I might get a few minutes of discussion, and some mild fascination, b
  17. Joe Understood and don't disagree. The more obvious reaction to the Beatles was the hysteria expressed by teenage girls. But I would also point out that many (young and old) came to be curious or appreciative of the Fab Four. The Beatles made some courageous statements when they refused to go on at certain venues unless blacks were allowed to attend. And while some parents disapproved of the long hair, their impact (on their children) also captured the interest of adults. The press coverage was unprecedented; the entire world was fascinated with them. Many point to their timing as
  18. Something that I've always pondered ... the contemporaneous ascent of the Beatles, right at the time of the JFK assassination. I was 13 years old when the British Invasion hit the USA ... what a phenomenon. Obviously there was musical genius to the Beatles and they were well on their way before JFK's murder. But I would argue that America was in need of a happier story and a serious pick-me-up. Writers point out that A Christmas Gift for You From Phil Spector and With the Beatles both came out on the same day as the assassination of President Kennedy ... one of the "twisted ironies in the
  19. To return on point and the topic of the thread (not John Armstrong, and not Gary Mack), Robert Groden was courageous and a pioneer in exposing/exploring the Zapruder film and influencing subsequent reinvestigations. I note with interest that he settled in and hailed from Boothwyn PA, not far from where I live and work. Given the subject matter and powerful opposition to the simple/historical Oswald story (absurd on its face), it took courage to do what he did for so long. Not many folks have that persistence and strength of character. For the record, I do not find John Armstrong
  20. Joe/Steve Thanks for the compliment. I think our experiences as sons (both good and bad) somehow may have prompted our later day interest in JFK and his murder. My dad was no saint either, but he surely loved JFK. I'll also share that, in 1960, I was ten years old and a 5th grade 'safety' (if you recall that role) at a Catholic school in Philadelphia. JFK was campaigning in October 1960, just before the election. His motorcade came down Route 30 (Lancaster Avenue), right past my grade school in West Philly, on the way to a speech at Temple University. All of the Catholic nuns were o
  21. What a fascinating JFK curriculum vitae that Bob Groden has: In 1973, Groden showed the Zapruder film to a symposium of assassination researchers at Georgetown In February, 1975, Groden and Stephen Jaffee, an investigator for Garrison, testified before the Rockefeller Commission On March 6, 1975, he and Dick Gregory appeared on Good Night America and showed Groden's copy of the Zapruder film (prompting the HSCA) In 1975, Groden co-authored JFK: The Case for Conspiracy In the 1980s, Groden was a consultant for Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK appearing in cameo roles
  22. In Groden's July 1996 AARB interview, he reveals some interesting facts about the Nix film: When the films were delivered to them, what they received was the original Nix film - the color original Nix film. But the copy of the Muchmore film that they got was a black and white copy. It was a duplicate. It wasn’t the original. And they called me about that-And I said, “No, no. The original film was color. It was not black and white.” And they went back, and they searched and searched and searched, and they finally found it. And what they found was that the film was in two pieces. Somebod
  23. Excellent article by Frank Cassano ... an excerpt: In 1995, Bob Groden left his home, wife and family in Pennsylvania. Alone, he moved to Dallas from the small town of Boothwyn. His objective was to give the Warren Commission critics a voice against the Sixth Floor Museum’s unalterable promotion of the Warren Report. By that time, the Museum was well on its way to its current status of treating hundreds of thousands of people per year, at sixteen bucks a crack, to what Michael Morrissey once called the Biggest Lie of the second half of the twentieth century: namely, that Oswald killed Ken
  24. Robert Wonderful essay ... expressing so many thoughts that all of us hold, plus painting a vivid picture. It reminds me of my first visit to Dealey Plaza in the early 1990's and how I was struck by the smallness of the layout and its cold stark features. I share your curiosity about Zapruder ... how he got on that pedestal, why he was there in the first place, and what became of his controversial film. Something feels very wrong about Zapruder's entire story and the film's subsequent provenance. I too was disappointed and unimpressed by the TSBD Museum. I have never seen the Memor
  25. Steve If you ready the Garrison transcript closely, it seems that Boxley (William Wood) interviewed Dinkin ... that is what fascinates me here, that he actually spoke to him in Brooklyn in 1968. I believe that this is where he gets the cipher clerk ('crypto work') legend from. Several Forum members have been asking how/where Garrison got the Dinkin/OAS connection from; I think it originated from Boxley's conversation with Eugene Dinkin. If you read the February 2018 Ronald Redmond article in Kennedy's and King, Eugene Dinkin comes across as an intelligent and responsible individual ...
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