Chris Davidson

As was brought up by Craig himself in post 46: The ghost images of the bottom of the lamppost are there as is Newmans head. (Sounds like a reference to lamp-post base to me). 303, 304 305, 306 and 307 for the head.... 278, 279, 280,281, 282 and 283 for the bottom of the lamppost...... [/b] And then ironically, he directs others to look at Dr. Costella's corrected frames. One person we know he has the utmost respect for. Here are a few more sizes to choose from Craig, with sprocket holes and main frame appox. the same size. Which one fits Newman in 306. I personally prefer the wide angle shot from the previous animation. Less film compositing involved. chris

Here is a bone for Chris....HEAD..... SO exactly what size should Newman's HEAD be? Inquiring minds want to know? Well, Let's see. If I filmed with a B/H normal lens setting, I would get this. But, since I would have to reduce my frame even more scaling wise, more likely a wide angle setting would fit the bill. Now what's the actual size need to be, well here's someone down in front on telephoto. chris

David, I think if they look at Zavada's report, it might explain to them how Bill Newman is the second coming of "mini-me". Now, how close was Newman to Zapruder? How far away are Moorman and Hill? Those ghost images sure don't hold their size over time. Yet, they appear to in mine. chris

Craig, Still looking for the lamp-post base in 278-283. Here's a little help. Maybe you can match this up with one of those frames. What's to explain. The pictures are self explainable. Try posting a few. chris

Tom, I find it rather amazing that Z's camera couldn't capture the ghost images with more clarity. I don't believe it's too difficult to figure out this ghost image is the top of the building. This, coming from my same camera with the sprocket hole alterations. You know, 45 years later. Should give others an idea of how much more image capture capability(outside the main frame) this camera really had. chris

A moving lamp-post base it appears. Maybe Craig can show us a shape distinction between the lamp-post base and the corner of the car in the previous mentioned frames. chris

Agreed. The ghost image cycle has to be one of the two cycles flanking JFK's side. chris "The ghost image cycle has to be one of the two cycles flanking JFK's side." NOPE! An error in logic there Chris. Merely that it can not be either of those two motorcycles as seen on the left-hand (Jackie's)side of the car. Now, if one assumes no alteration whatsoever to the Zapruder film, then of course the correct answer would be that it would have to be created by the image of a motorcycle which was on the right-hand (JFK's) side of the limousine. However, in event that one were to assume some slight "tinkering" with the Z-film and it's "Ghost Image", then one could assume that it could be of a motorcycle from either side of the street. And it is of course most curious that the background surrounding this "Ghost Image" shows nothing but the green grass, with absolutely no indications of the light grey background of the road bed or any white striping affecting the tint of the green surrounding areas. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z321.jpg P.S. As you may be aware, this Ghost Image is attributed as being the front fender of Officer Chaney's motorcycle. Tom, Point well taken. Since you mentioned the lane divider within the ghost image area, would that divider( which is a part of the adjacent frame) show a different angle between curbline and lane divider. chris What in the world would POSESS you to think they SHOULD be the same angle? Something like this.

Frank, Any idea why this wouldn't appear in the Z frame? chris

Agreed. The ghost image cycle has to be one of the two cycles flanking JFK's side. chris "The ghost image cycle has to be one of the two cycles flanking JFK's side." NOPE! An error in logic there Chris. Merely that it can not be either of those two motorcycles as seen on the left-hand (Jackie's)side of the car. Now, if one assumes no alteration whatsoever to the Zapruder film, then of course the correct answer would be that it would have to be created by the image of a motorcycle which was on the right-hand (JFK's) side of the limousine. However, in event that one were to assume some slight "tinkering" with the Z-film and it's "Ghost Image", then one could assume that it could be of a motorcycle from either side of the street. And it is of course most curious that the background surrounding this "Ghost Image" shows nothing but the green grass, with absolutely no indications of the light grey background of the road bed or any white striping affecting the tint of the green surrounding areas. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z321.jpg P.S. As you may be aware, this Ghost Image is attributed as being the front fender of Officer Chaney's motorcycle. Tom, Point well taken. Since you mentioned the lane divider within the ghost image area, would that divider( which is a part of the adjacent frame) show a different angle between curbline and lane divider. chris

Of course one could also cut Groden's frame into vertical strips, resize them "horizontally only", merge them back to a complete frame and see if some of that warping disappears. Which doesn't put that window shadow back in, among other things. chris

Warping which causes the shadow area of the window to disappear. They both appear to be full frames. RGB readings very similar in common areas of each photo. (red boxes). The color holds in Groden's, not in Z. chris

Agreed. The ghost image cycle has to be one of the two cycles flanking JFK's side. chris

Frank, How about this comparison instead? chris

Robin, MacNeil probably means in the Darnell film. He's runs on the sidewalk right behind Altgens. imo chris

The frame on the top left is from Groden's uncut version and at right is the MPI version.(so called original). That black vertical pole and vertical box to it's immediate left, on the corner of Houston and Elm seems very troublesome. I guess I wasn't the only one having problems keeping objects level to the horizon. Of course, that's if you believe the background is the same, also. chris

Jack, Here you go. chris

Chris...instead of twisting YOUR frame, leave your frame level and TWIST THE Z FRAME T FIT YOURS. That will show Mary and Jean both listing badly to portside instead of being ERECT like frozen turkeys. Jack Jack, How about this instead. Panning a car going down Elm St. chris

I don't get it... What I see is exactly what Wiegman's film showed and that was Hester hurrying over to the colonnade presumably so to look out the windows. The Bell film captures Hester just before he got off the ground and someone walking into the colonnade area. The Wiegman film is shot at a different angle, thus the walking man isn't visible in Wiegman's film. So what don't you understand? Bill, Maybe this will help. Charles Hester is at the colonnade and Beatrice is starting to rise. This is about the same moment in time between both frames. That is a newspaper in front of Beatrice. Take a look at the Couch film and you'll see one of them pick the paper up. Bronson also shows them with a newspaper. chris

Another one for positioning. chris

Frames for Bill. No, I did not scale my frames. My comparison consists of both frames captured as scaled 4/3. Then had to change the aspect ratio on my frame only to: 110W x 105 H to fit existing Z frame. In this case, I'm more concerned about the relationship between sprocket holes to main frame. chris

Not sure what you meant by the link, so it looks like we both don't know what in the hell you are ever talking about. Hesters - grainy film??? The FBI had the car traveling at a rate of about 11" per Zapruder film frame. Refresher course for Bill. Why don't you take a look at Groden's best version of Bell, and see if you can find Charles Hester running in it. chris

Frank, Z pans the car down Elm. At 10mph or less, the focal point is almost out of the frame, directly in front of him. As Craig likes to say, test it out yourself. Bill, Still working on a solution to: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=165150 I see. I know enough to bring Hester out of the shadows with what you refer to as grainy/lousy film. While you're at it, let us know the distance traveled between Z161-166. Craig, I guess in your perfect world, I wouldn't have to rotate(.5CW) this frame to get it to conform to your specs. But common sense to most dictates that they are sprocket holes and frames from a 8mm camera. So sorry they are having such a detrimental affect on you. chris

I guess we need to know what your definition of altered is. The process of converting 8mm film to a digital image is an alteration. Which is exactly what was done in this case. Fact: Chris filmed from pedestal with B/H 414 camera. Fact: Chris had film developed by "Dwayne's Photo" in Parsons, Kansas. One of the few I could find in the U.S that still develops 8mm film, back in 2004. Fact: Chris had it converted to DVD by "SunRay Video" in San Diego, CA. http://www.sunrayvideo.com/film_transfer.htm Fact: Chris imports the VOB files from the DVD into a movie player (Quicktime, etc.etc). Fact: Chris either exports or screen captures individual frames to post on the forum. He does not perform interframe rotations. Perhaps a step in the 8mm to digital format transfer is causing the effects which Craig refers too. Otherwise, you probably believe I shaved about 1/8 of an inch off the top sprocket hole, which has nothing to do with the street/cars. chris

Craig, You can either have the movie or the frames. On the left is what it appears as, when playing in Quicktime. Notice the movie controller. On the right is a snapshot of it. Your effort to insinuate I have altered my original film is ludicrous. Now would you care to misinform others about what's between these sprocket holes. Why the rotation is the same. etc etc etc. I figured I'd alter these frames too, which I never intended to show. Get Real No, the frames have not been altered. Your reading of them is. chris

I tried to deliberately mislead everyone by exporting frames from movies I had taken. Then posted the actual film clips themselves. OK Then I cut and pasted the frames at a different angle from the sprocket holes. Right Added the pin-cushioning affect. Sounds good Put it all back together to try and fool Craig. Didn't work Dream a little dream. What does this have to do with Z keeping the limo even close to centerframe at 10mph? chris