Kathleen Collins

Greg, what about Armstrong's photos of 2 Lee Harvey Oswalds in school? (One was Harvey Lee Oswald.) And one of the Oswald's had a busted tooth in high school. And one had an inner ear surgery. Why did Marina walk up to the coffin before it was put on display and open one of his eyes to see the color? (Why else?) I can't wait to read your book. Kathy C Kathy, Hate to be a nuisance, but could you provide a link to the two photos you're referring to and provide some information on who designated one as being "Harvey Lee Oswald"? The busted tooth photo I'm aware of, but will need to dig up all the info on it and will get back to you. First I've heard about Marina and the coffin. Where did that information come from? I gather you are guessing as to the reason she did it (assuming she did) That suggests a further problem... in that you seem to be saying "Lee" and "Harvey" didn't even share the same eye color? I can think of at least one other reason someone might open the eyes to look at them: superstition. There was a lot of that still around in the '60s, particularly outside of western culture. But even western culture carries on with very old superstitions involving the dead, including covering the face with a sheet. This was originally done because it was believed the spirit escaped through the mouth. These pictures show O in his marine uniform. The other picture looks to me like a resemblance. He might be LHO. He might have gotten into the rambler. Although we see him again in the Texas Theater being calmly let out by 2 cops.Kathy C

Robert, you're the most rabid researcher I ever read. But I want to remind you that Clint Murchison was a Jr. He was an old man. His son Is Clint Murchison III. The next question may be from left field, but is Morris Beale related to Edie Beale, Jackie Kennedy's cousin? Kathy C

Ray, Thank you. --Tommy Thanks, Tommy. My temperature went up to 103 today. But I took aspirin and used an ice pack on my head. The last time I checked it went down to 100. Kathy Collins

You made me cry again! And I wish Thomas good health. I read zinc really helps the prostate. I kinow my father and brother had problems, but they took zinc and got better. Kathy C

Seems like there were quite a few. I don't have a copy of the Dallas Morning News from 1963 - but I believe that you can look up the various theatres and films playing in it for reference. The Majestic The Palace The Melba The Rialto - lee At the time of the assassination Mrs. Olsen was called Kay Coleman , and was one of Jack Ruby's employees at the Carousel Club. She lived with her two daughters at 325 North Ewing. Interestingly the following information to the WC was provided by taxi-driver, William Scoggins: Mr. BELIN. Where were you driving your cab in the early part of the afternoon of November 22,1963, if you remember? Mr. SCOGGINS. Well, I picked up a gentleman at Love Field at approximately 12:35, I would say, and I discharged him at 1 o'clock at 321 North Ewing. A couple of years ago I was informed by a fellow researcher that he had discovered that Scoggins had picked up Harry Olsen in his taxi and delivered him to Kay Coleman's place on North Ewing. If one checks out Harry Olsen's statement to the WC, he stated that he had walked over to Coleman's apartment using crutches, since his leg was in a cast. The following URL will be of assistance in finding statements provided by the various witnesses to the WC: http://jfkassassinat.../russ/wit.htm#n Thank you for that link, Ed. Kathy C

No one said it was a clear cup, Allen. The obvious alternative is that is was a paper cup. Maybe he's drinking milk. Kathy C

Greg, what about Armstrong's photos of 2 Lee Harvey Oswalds in school? (One was Harvey Lee Oswald.) And one of the Oswald's had a busted tooth in high school. And one had an inner ear surgery. Why did Marina walk up to the coffin before it was put on display and open one of his eyes to see the color? (Why else?) I can't wait to read your book. Kathy C Kathy, Hate to be a nuisance, but could you provide a link to the two photos you're referring to and provide some information on who designated one as being "Harvey Lee Oswald"? The busted tooth photo I'm aware of, but will need to dig up all the info on it and will get back to you. First I've heard about Marina and the coffin. Where did that information come from? I gather you are guessing as to the reason she did it (assuming she did) That suggests a further problem... in that you seem to be saying "Lee" and "Harvey" didn't even share the same eye color? I can think of at least one other reason someone might open the eyes to look at them: superstition. There was a lot of that still around in the '60s, particularly outside of western culture. But even western culture carries on with very old superstitions involving the dead, including covering the face with a sheet. This was originally done because it was believed the spirit escaped through the mouth. Greg, there are photos on a disk that came with "Harvey and Lee." It apparently is Read Only. I can't copy them. There are a lot of photos of either the "birth Oswald" or they're Lee Oswald. The photos of them in school may show different Oswalds. The "Lee" one seems normal, adjusted. But after the Civil Air Patrol, it's hard to find a picture of him. Maybe leaving the TSBD and getting into the Rambler. His older pictures begin to look like Harvey (shot by Ruby). I'm sorry I can't provide his school pictures (in groups). Kathy C

Greg, what about Armstrong's photos of 2 Lee Harvey Oswalds in school? (One was Harvey Lee Oswald.) And one of the Oswald's had a busted tooth in high school. And one had an inner ear surgery. Why did Marina walk up to the coffin before it was put on display and open one of his eyes to see the color? (Why else?) I can't wait to read your book. Kathy C

Thank you Greg and Robert. And Greg, you were the only one who figured out that Oxnard call. Kathy C

Thanks, Bernice! Yes, I too hope Jack is doing OK and will be back soon. --Tommy I can recall in recent years seeing photos of signman, hooking arms with a woman with her pocketbook hanging off her arm as they ran up the Grassy Knoll. I could be mistaken. Kathy C

I want to thank you all. Have a good holiday today and New Year's Eve. Don't get too drunk! Thanks to Jim DiEugenio, Mark, Martin and Bernice. Kathy C

Dear fellow members, I want to thank all of you who have been so kind to me and to wish you a great holiday season. I am also selling books on eBay.com Idyllic Books. I did pretty good this week. However, yesterday I was given an unexpected diagnosis. First, I have emphysema in both lungs. Haven't smoked since 1983. I have congestion on the left side, whatever that means. I was diagnosed as having pneumonia. Then a Nodule was present in my lung x-ray. I have fits of coughing where I can't get air into my throat; it just takes over. He's got me on medication, but so far I don't feel any better. I had gone up to see my brother, who is on dialysis, in NJ. I began to feel weird when I hit Tampa airport, coming home. The whole week I've been sleeping on and off. The doctor is sending me for blood work having to do with my immune system. But besides that I've had a great time! So, Happy Holidays, Kathy C

This was how Michael Rennie looked. The LHO man has a different posture than the real Lee Harvey Oswald. Kathy C

About the plane in Shanksville. Do you recall what we could see of the "wreckage"? It looked like household garbage. Someone, maybe from here, said that a big bomb was put in an old sewer pipe. No plane hit the ground, though I believe a large airplane was seen heading in that direction. It was garbage. That's why there was only a puff of smoke. And the people had all "vaporized," a word they used all day. Kathy C

I don't see anyone in that clip that resembles Lee Harvey Oswald. I do. This is Oswald with a lot of hair on his head and a nose like Pinocchio, but it's Oswald. I think I see David Morales in the picture too. Kathy C

I don't think the two are related. IMHO. Kathy C Oh those guys! They look like Operation Phoenix guys Colby (William) and Milberg (Warren). Or maybe their cousins! Cheers PF FWIW, there were three of them walking in a tight group in the foreground. (Hey! Maybe they were "tight"!) I meant that the IBM man and 2 friends aren't related to Tan Jacket Man and whatever he was up to.

I don't think the two are related. IMHO. Kathy C

You're right. I stand corrected. Good catch. It's virtually impossible to tell what his left hand is doing in the full-speed clip. But in this clip, I don't see an object in his left hand. I see his fingers moving, though. David, He was very good. He was a professional. --Tommy It does look like an umbrella, but I don't think they made umbrellas that small in those days. You know, the folding umbrella came out later, I believe. It rained that morning. Possibly an umbrella, possibly a gun or possibly a phone. Kathy C

I'm not good at car types, but in TJM where you can see the background better, there are 2 cops and a man with a long coat. They seem to be standing near a green rambler. Is that car a rambler? Maybe TJM has his car keys in hand and must wait till it clears. Does anyone else see it that way? Kathy C

I have always heard it was a mannlicher cancarno, but then they had another rifle. Wayne Dorothy said that President Kennedy underwent his autopsy "several days later." Is he kidding? The awful affair was performed that very night Nov 22-23. Jackie, with her husband's blood still on her hands, arrived home around 4am on the 23rd. Somehow the Kennedys got ahold on the brain, which was put in a stainless steel container and buried in the grave with the assassinated President. There was a photo once with the container on the ground of the cemetery next to the opened grave in 1967. It again was buried in a new location they found more suitable to President Kennedy. This was done in the middle of the night with the cemetery guarded by the National Guard. The photo I couldn't find. But I saw it and spoke with another researcher, who had the picture about it. Kathy C

Robert, I admire your wealth of knowledge about these people. But I wanted to tell you something I thought someone else would have. In the Assassination we are dealing with Clint Murchison JUNIOR. He was an elderly man at the time, but he was a Jr. His son is a big shot in Dallas today and he's called Clint Murchison III. This Murchison's ex-first wife died under odd circumstances. I have the feeling the coroner, out of fear, said her liver was destroyed and that's why she had black eyes and other bruises. She was under the care of a psychiatrist and was in her 40's when she died. The coroner said she must have taken too much Tylenol -- he mentioned that brand name instead of acetaminephine. Wouldn't a woman who was wealthy and well known in the community have better access to stronger pain pills than Tylenol? Just something about this story smells rotten. Anyway, it was Clint Murchison Jr who was in on the Assassination. And I think the meeting took place Nov 21 at the Dallas home, no matter what the psychic said. There may have been several meetings leading up to this at the Murchison's ranch. Kathy C

P.S. I think that Roger Craig's description of the guy he saw get into the Rambler station wagon dovetails with what Euins (and let's not forget Howard Brennan's statement that the guy shooting from the sniper's nest was wearing a dingy-looking white shirt) said about the guy he saw in the sniper's nest. Tan Jacket Man's behavior in the parking lot, plus the fact that he strongly resembled LHO, leads me to believe that he was not only a conspirator, but was one of the men who shot at JFK. See Greda Dunkel's great posts on the JFK Assassination Forum, as well as this one by Sean Murphy: http://www.jfkassass...pic,3888.0.html --Tommy I agree with you 100%. What he hands the dark-haired man looks like a small gun, or it could be a wallet, but it's certainly not a phone. This is a breakthrough. This is history. All these decades and we didn't know about this man. And he does resemble Oswald as they both look like losers. For some reason he looks foreign to me. But just think how this man popped up after 48 years. We don't even know his name! Kathy C

Of course, I believe the Tan Jacket Man was the sniper from the 6th floor window of the TSBD. Why are you so quick to discard this evidence? This is a breakthrough. Let's follow it. It's too coincidental. Now they found footage of him in the Bell film (I believe). To me he doesn't look American. But he looks like a down-and-out loser like Oswald. John Armstrong's book places Lee Oswald in the 6th floor window. Apparently, that's not the case. Kathy C

This is the one thing that bothers me about Gore Vidal. He always says the worst President we've ever had was Kennedy because he brought us closer to nuclear annihilation than any other President. First of all, it was Kennedy's Joint Chiefs of Staff that brought us closest to nuclear war. Kennedy was truly afraid they were going to bomb Cuba with a nuclear missile without his permission. They were so rabid -- Lemnitzer and LeMay, etc. He and Bobby were pretty isolated from the rest of his administration. This comes from the book "Brothers" by David Talbot. Also, Kennedy had us using silver instead of gold, from which we'd have to borrow and owe the Federal Reserve. Kennedy's method would close all the banks and make us a country without debt. Amazing. Kathy C

Christian, I have some photo software in my computer. One is called Paint.NET. It has layering and multiply and similar words you've used. Do you think I can look at some Kennedy photos, like the Grassy Knoll by adding layers? Kathy C