Kathleen Collins

During Kennedy's presidency, there were many potential scandals that didn't erupt. One that almost did was JFK's first marriage. John Kennedy secretly wed Palm Beach socialite Durie Malcolm in early 1947 before his high-society wedding to Jacqueline Bouvier in 1953. Joe Kennedy was livid about his son's non-Catholic wedding to a twice divorced woman and he had the marriage papers removed from courthouse records. Though close family and friends knew of the wedding, no one has reported knowing of any divorce. Evidently JFK and Malcolm, who would marry twice more, were bigamists. Rumors of his first marriage broke in 1957 and persisted into his presidency. They were finally put to bed when journalist Ben Bradlee, trying to ingratiate himself with the Kennedys, agreed to collaborate with the White House in "debunking" the Durie Malcolm marriage story once and for all. His widely published story repudiated the rumor and exposed the hate groups and gossip columnists who were continuing to spread it.

I haven't found much information about Kennedy being married before Jackie. But I picked up on the rumor. I wonder if someone can evaluate this item from Seymour Hersh's book: The Dark Side of Camelot.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/72...oughts/jfk.html

I guess you all have heard by now that Jack Valenti has passed on. Here's what Bush had to say about him:

"Jack Valenti was a great American and a great Texan. He bravely flew combat missions during World War II and ably served in the White House. From protecting families by creating the movie rating system to advocating for intellectual property rights, Jack Valenti helped transform the motion picture industry. He leaves a powerful legacy in Washington, in Hollywood, and across our Nation." - President George W. Bush. AP

Here's what Jack Valenti said about Lyndon Johnson on CNN: The Cold War:

LBJ:

"I have, in my lifetime, known just about every president, prime minister, president of other countries, congressmen and senators. [Johnson] was the single most formidable political character, political leader, that I have ever known. In him resided all the elements of a great leader, which is, first: conviction. A man without conviction is going to be right only by accident. Second, stamina: the ability to commit a full day; or, as Lord Wellington says, "to do the business of the day in the day." Third, an intuitive structure somewhere in his brain; he had some little elf that resided somewhere between his belly and his brain, who was able to say "No, Lyndon, not that way." Judgment, intuition, instinct, without which no great military or political captain will ever survive. And fourth, the ability to persuade those around him to his point of view, which (in his case) verged on sorcery. He was quite a guy."

Kathy

The Congressional HSCA concluded that acoustical evidence pointed to a conspiracy in the murder of President Kennedy.

So going along with that is by no means "far out," it's lock-step establishment.

I believe that a government panel subsequently concluded that the HSCA was full of crap, confirming what the FBI had already concluded.

I don't understand how you can characterize anything that purports to prove conspiracy to be "lock-step establishment."

Anyone who can make such a statement deserves a spanking.

Hey, getting a little kinky there!

Kathy

Thank you Gil for reminding us what Gary has said. I know there are even more quotable moments, but this is good.

Gary, we have spoken over the phone and emailed to each other, and I do not forget those exchanges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QLFOzwsYSM

I must be in the Twilight Zone. From what I know about Gary Mack, he's an absolute sell-out. I guess he couldn't find something else to do for a living. His museum acquires things about the Assassination, which they squirrel away. But his biggest assassination venture was taking people for an open limo ride down Elm Street. The Ultimate Thrill.

Gary discovered Badgeman. This is a cop behind the fence on the Grassy Knoll, shooting at Kennedy. HardHatMan is beside him. He has heckled a Professor talking about conspiracy in the past. He is paid to say Oswald did it alone. I don't understand why you have such admiration for him.

Kathy Collins

There is a beautiful portrait of the limo at Parkland with the limo door open, revealing Jackie Kennedy holding her husband's head. This is not a photograph nor taken from a photograph, according to the painter. Jackie looks so real.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3EWvVzssGWQ

Kathy

Even If the "figure" and "standing on" object was up against the fence I would estimate the "Head" to be at about 12ft high, so assuming the figure was lets say 6ft tall, then he'd have to be standing on something at least 6ft high. This isn't a shooter or a human. In my opinion its the shape of the branches and leaves on the trees, unless Superman was having a day out in Dallas

Duncan

Spoil sport!

Kathy

Looks good Eugene,

question ,should there not be some blood spray being seen..?

Bernice,

Errrr...umm...mmmm.....ahem......

The answer is no.

No blood spray - mainly because the fatal headshot has not yet been fired.

Sorry.

EBC

Eugene has put a circle around what I believe is the killer, the shooter of the fatal shot. Could more photographic studies be done on this section of Moorman?

Kathy

They are not lights, I believe they are what is shown below, at a distance in the parking lot.

Chris you nailed it........

The Towner,Tina I believe it is, film was taken from the other side of the TSBD..on Elm.

close to the curb.

You can see these, in some of the photos, all depends in what position they were in when

they took the film or photo and at what angle.

I forget what it was called, someone ?? it was to do with the RR trains and such..and switching

I think..?.I cannot,

find the clear, I believe it is a Murray photo, of the parking lot......Just this with previous

research in the corner, but

you can see them clearly, and if you compare them with what you see in the Towner, I do

not have that particular frame, you will see I believe they are exactly the same.

Robin or Chris do you have this Murray clear, and perhaps the Towner frame where they are shown,

to clarify and compare for all..?..thanks.

You can see whatever in the Cabluck below, in the distance through the Perola wall.Where the boy

is seen running on the sidewalk. Also in the distance of where you see the man running across

Main St.....behind the cyclist...the RR thingamajig....

B

Thanks, Bernice. One mystery solved today.

Kathy

Will someone address the lights. Could a camera be in one or more of those lights?

Kathy

There is another light on the pole across the street.

Personaly i don't beleive the light had a camera mounted IN it, or ON it.

That's just my point of view. !

Robin, I couldn't see your attached photo. I don't know why. I've asked Andy to look into why I can see some photos but not all. Anyway, I was just on what I believe is your site, and I saw this photo. The 'lights" certainly look different now after the assassination.

http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri2/LastScan56_1.jpg

Kathy

There are no lights on this structure post assassiation. This is something suspicious. Do they look different from different perspectives, like if a photog is on higher ground? Or further away?

http://jfk.fotopic.net/p37002821.html

Kathy

These objects that look like lights are very prominent in the Towner film but not in the photos. What's going on? They are definitely there. And they were excised from the photos.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B2xPN_7eT9g

Kathy

Will someone address the lights. Could a camera be in one or more of those lights?

Kathy

There is another light on the pole across the street.

Personaly i don't beleive the light had a camera mounted IN it, or ON it.

That's just my point of view. !

Robin, I couldn't see your attached photo. I don't know why. I've asked Andy to look into why I can see some photos but not all. Anyway, I was just on what I believe is your site, and I saw this photo. The 'lights" certainly look different now after the assassination.

http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri2/LastScan56_1.jpg

Kathy

There are no lights on this structure post assassiation. This is something suspicious. Do they look different from different perspectives, like if a photog is on higher ground? Or further away?

http://jfk.fotopic.net/p37002821.html

Kathy

Will someone address the lights. Could a camera be in one or more of those lights?

Kathy

There is another light on the pole across the street.

Personaly i don't beleive the light had a camera mounted IN it, or ON it.

That's just my point of view. !

Robin, I couldn't see your attached photo. I don't know why. I've asked Andy to look into why I can see some photos but not all. Anyway, I was just on what I believe is your site, and I saw this photo. The 'lights" certainly look different now after the assassination.

http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri2/LastScan56_1.jpg

Kathy

I have asked AJ Weberman to use facial recognition software on the Donald Norton and Ralph Geb photos on a blog from February 2006. This material was published in Feb. 2006. If anyone would like to see this, here's the link:

http://thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com/200...01_archive.html

Kathy

Will someone address the lights. Could a camera be in one or more of those lights?

Kathy

I'm trying to find the software or at least a company that would be able to use it. After watching a documentary on card counters yesterday, I know that a company called 'Griffin' has the technology and uses it in casinos worldwide to spot known counters.

I'm looking for something basic at the moment, but professional assistance would be infinitely better.

John

John,

There are a number of tech companies out there who are developing facial recognition softwarefor different purposes and with different degrees of success.

I think that we could probably convince one of them to assist in a project to id the tramps and the man in MC to a more refined certainty.

Among the companies I came up with :

Visage Technology/Identix merged (Aug. 29,2006) now L-1 Identity Solutions;

Neven Vision - Santa Monica

VeriLook - (Mac softwere)

Neuro Technologija - Lithuania

Cognitec Systems-

Gem Eyematic Interface - San Francisco- Hartmut Nevin.

BK

Bill, I'd like facial recognition of the adult Donald O. Norton and the teenager Donald O. Norton. Ralph Geb -- yearbook picture and as adult. Lee Oswald and Donald O. Norton. These photos can be found on the blog Witness, starting in March 2006. thecloakofdarkness/blogspot.com

Kathy

... You see them bringing LHO all around the police department and reporters asking him questions ... You also see him being interviewed some time before the assassination. ... But previously they played a tape of a radio broadcast where Oswald is talking about his political views: It wasn't the same voice!

old story.... completed just in time for the JFK 40th anniversary (assassination-imagine that). The notorious Dale Myers quote: "...its NOT the Single Bullet THEORY, it's the Single Bullet FACT!" Dale did in fact convince Peter Jennings though...

Two observations:

First, the human voice doesn't change, per se. Its pitch and timber may, but the essential voice does not. This is how someone can be identified by their voice even when they attempt to disguise it. I have no idea where one could have this comparison made (police station? would they spare the time and expense?), but if it could be done, it might resolve the issue.

Second, it is not very difficult to convince someone of something they're receptive to hearing or believed all along. C'mon, I dare anyone: convince me if you can that Lee Oswald didn't kill JFK and/or JD Tippit! Some things are just easy sells. Jennings was a lay-down.

Isn't there some kind of technology that can analyze the voice? I'm surprised that hasn't been used yet. Other opinions on the voice?

Kathy

I just viewed most of the assassination films. I noticed something I didn't before and I never heard anyone mention it. And maybe it's the fault of the sunlight, but...

Many people believe there was another film being recorded besides the Zapruder film. Abraham Zapruder was a decoy. What he and Marilyn Sitzman were standing on was a very thin, flimsy section of wall; almost impossible to stand on it, 4 feet from the ground. I don't think you could stand on it with both feet. It would have to be one foot in front of the other. To add to this absurdity, Zapruder nursed a fear of heights. (The last told to me by a certain researcher.) Some Kennedy researchers believe they have seen the "real" film, made for the govt or intel or oil barons' pleasure, more or less. But where is the camera? Supposedly it is filmed at an angle not far from Zapruder. There's a theory that a tripod and cameraman were in the Pergola behind and to Zapruder's left. I have never seen proof of this. What I have seen ---

I went on youtube.com and watched the assassination films again. Except for the Z-film, I hadn't seen them for a long time. I noticed something and it may not amount to anything. In the Towner film, the camera on the South Knoll, opposite of where Zapruder was shows what looks to me to be night lights over -- I don't recall what it's called -- the arcade roof. This is the structure between the Grassy Knoll and the TBSD. These lights showed up on Towner, but on the Bell film, the camera swung over the arcade roof twice. The first time, they just weren't there. The next time, I swear, they were whited out. -- Now I could be wrong.

My thought is maybe one of them held a camera. Otherwise, why are they in Towner and not in Bell? Both films were taken feet away from each other, I could tell. And close in time. I'm sure someone knows more about this.

Another odd thing I noticed in the Hughes film. Frames I've seen show a whiting out via a fake "ledge" that has no reason to be there at the shooter's window. I've noticed another "ledge" on the TSBD in a different film, not any I viewed today. But in youtube's copy of Hughes, this white out doesn't exist.

But the main thing is the whereabouts of the camera. Has anyone seen this? Could it be those "lights"?

Kathy

With all due respect, Kathy, I've stood on that perch and there's nothing "thin or flimsy" about it. There are a couple of pictures of it at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/neal.mccarthy/Dealey.htm if you want to see it.

As for the fake ledge, it's just something extending from the light pole. Looks like it might be a bracket, or a rolled-up banner or something similar.

JWK

I guess I saw a misleading photo of where Zapruder stood. You took some beautiful photos of Dealey Plaza. As for the ledge, I still think it was painted on to hide something.

Did those lights hold a camera?

Kathy

I just viewed most of the assassination films. I noticed something I didn't before and I never heard anyone mention it. And maybe it's the fault of the sunlight, but...

Many people believe there was another film being recorded besides the Zapruder film. Abraham Zapruder was a decoy. What he and Marilyn Sitzman were standing on was a very thin, flimsy section of wall; almost impossible to stand on it, 4 feet from the ground. I don't think you could stand on it with both feet. It would have to be one foot in front of the other. To add to this absurdity, Zapruder nursed a fear of heights. (The last told to me by a certain researcher.) Some Kennedy researchers believe they have seen the "real" film, made for the govt or intel or oil barons' pleasure, more or less. But where is the camera? Supposedly it is filmed at an angle not far from Zapruder. There's a theory that a tripod and cameraman were in the Pergola behind and to Zapruder's left. I have never seen proof of this. What I have seen ---

I went on youtube.com and watched the assassination films again. Except for the Z-film, I hadn't seen them for a long time. I noticed something and it may not amount to anything. In the Towner film, the camera on the South Knoll, opposite of where Zapruder was shows what looks to me to be night lights over -- I don't recall what it's called -- the arcade roof. This is the structure between the Grassy Knoll and the TBSD. These lights showed up on Towner, but on the Bell film, the camera swung over the arcade roof twice. The first time, they just weren't there. The next time, I swear, they were whited out. -- Now I could be wrong.

My thought is maybe one of them held a camera. Otherwise, why are they in Towner and not in Bell? Both films were taken feet away from each other, I could tell. And close in time. I'm sure someone knows more about this.

Another odd thing I noticed in the Hughes film. Frames I've seen show a whiting out via a fake "ledge" that has no reason to be there at the shooter's window. I've noticed another "ledge" on the TSBD in a different film, not any I viewed today. But in youtube's copy of Hughes, this white out doesn't exist.

But the main thing is the whereabouts of the camera. Has anyone seen this? Could it be those "lights"?

Kathy

Hi Kathleen,

Can you provide any photos of the area you're describing?

Here are a couple that might help.

Let us know if my interpretation is wrong.

chris

Your interpretation is right. Those are the lights I was talking about, and the Hughes film I saw yesterday did not have that "drawing" on it. Could those lights hold a camera?

Kathy

John, there were a number of articles--the one in Rolling Stone comes to mind-- in which Hunt's son said he thought his dad might be one of the tramps. Still, if Hunt's son has been talking to Mr. Weberman, his father's long-time nemesis, you can count me among the curious as to what was said.

Maybe Hunt's kids hate him and will reveal things about the assassination we don't know yet. Of course, there's the chance they'll make things up. In either case, I don't think they liked their old man if they're going public.

Kathy

I just viewed most of the assassination films. I noticed something I didn't before and I never heard anyone mention it. And maybe it's the fault of the sunlight, but...

Many people believe there was another film being recorded besides the Zapruder film. Abraham Zapruder was a decoy. What he and Marilyn Sitzman were standing on was a very thin, flimsy section of wall; almost impossible to stand on it, 4 feet from the ground. I don't think you could stand on it with both feet. It would have to be one foot in front of the other. To add to this absurdity, Zapruder nursed a fear of heights. (The last told to me by a certain researcher.) Some Kennedy researchers believe they have seen the "real" film, made for the govt or intel or oil barons' pleasure, more or less. But where is the camera? Supposedly it is filmed at an angle not far from Zapruder. There's a theory that a tripod and cameraman were in the Pergola behind and to Zapruder's left. I have never seen proof of this. What I have seen ---

I went on youtube.com and watched the assassination films again. Except for the Z-film, I hadn't seen them for a long time. I noticed something and it may not amount to anything. In the Towner film, the camera on the South Knoll, opposite of where Zapruder was shows what looks to me to be night lights over -- I don't recall what it's called -- the arcade roof. This is the structure between the Grassy Knoll and the TBSD. These lights showed up on Towner, but on the Bell film, the camera swung over the arcade roof twice. The first time, they just weren't there. The next time, I swear, they were whited out. -- Now I could be wrong.

My thought is maybe one of them held a camera. Otherwise, why are they in Towner and not in Bell? Both films were taken feet away from each other, I could tell. And close in time. I'm sure someone knows more about this.

Another odd thing I noticed in the Hughes film. Frames I've seen show a whiting out via a fake "ledge" that has no reason to be there at the shooter's window. I've noticed another "ledge" on the TSBD in a different film, not any I viewed today. But in youtube's copy of Hughes, this white out doesn't exist.

But the main thing is the whereabouts of the camera. Has anyone seen this? Could it be those "lights"?

Kathy

"Even as they struggled together to find a way out of Vietnam, to pursue detente with the Soviet Union and to plan the opening to China, each complained incessantly in private about the other’s neuroses and instability. Nixon appears at times to have taken a sadistic pleasure in flaunting his casual anti-Semitism before his Jewish national security adviser. Mr. Kissinger was reliably flattering to the president’s face while cultivating the press to ensure a generous share of credit for the administration’s initiatives."

Often, when discussing Kissinger with Haldeman, Nixon would refer to Kissinger as "Jewboy." We have it on tape.

Kathy

I watched the show and managed to tape Beyond the Conspiracy. The audio you hear is from a radio broadcast and it's a deeper voice. Then they show Harvey, talking to a reporter. His voice is higher. What to think? Has anyone else seen this and noticed this?

Kathy

Scan from POTP

Does anyone see the fake "ledge" in front of the 5th floor window (middle), obscuring the windows partially?

There is also a "ledge" painted similarly to the above mentioned, partially obscuring the Oswald window in the Hughes Film.

This is certainly proof of photo alteration.

Kathy

This looks like one of the emails that John sends out to every members, I doubt that it was written specifically to him. If we want to get into what is written about this forum on other sites, take a look at http://www.jfkmontreal.com/ngfl/edforum.htm from Salvador Astucia. This guy is crackers.

John

I think this is the same man who described how John Lennon was killed. I would love to know how accurate he is. Anyway, someone on this Forum warned me about him. I think he hates Jews, is paranoid. But I have confirmed that Jose Perdomo (aka San Genis) was the guard that night. He's a survivor of the Bay of Pigs.

Kathy

Tonight I watched a 2 hour show about the Kennedy Assassination. I thought I had seen it before, but I don't think so. Of course, Oswald's the lone assassin, ad nauseum. But something occurred during the show that sent chills up my spine. I wished I had taped it.

You see them bringing LHO all around the police department and reporters asking him questions -- this is Harvey. You also see him being interviewed some time before the assassination. The interview begins with a reporter asking, do you follow Karl Marx? And you see him, with his tiny mouth and weird skull answering the questions calmly and intelligently. But previously they played a tape of a radio broadcast where Oswald is talking about his political views: It wasn't the same voice! It was a different voice, deeper, with something of a different accent -- not sure about the latter. But the voice was different! Could Oswald's voice been different because it was audio and the film clips are old -- we didn't hear him well on the visuals? I'm sorry, but that was a deeper, different voice.

I hope some of you watched this and taped it. It was called The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy. It was on the History Channel. Maybe they'll repeat it overnight. As a matter of fact, it's running right now. I don't know how much I missed -- I think it just started.

Kathy

What I still don't get, if the Z film was altered, is what was taken out, and why in the world they left in what is still there - the separate reactions of JFK and Connally, the head snap, the back spatter of a frontal shot. What was more important that had to be removed? DCM firing a pistol (the raised hand is fakery)? Getting two women out of the street? Connally shooting JFK before getting shot himself? (Remember, shooters are always eliminated within the week.)

Wait, I know, the limo stopping! Couldn't have that. Well, if Greer slowed down, or failed to speed up, presumably because he didn't know what to do (fear of ambush ahead, etc.), then it makes just as much sense that he would stop momentarily. So why all the fuss to keep that limo moving, however slowly?

Aside from the technical problems, the question is what was conceivably accomplished by alteration. There is nothing from eyewitness testimony, as far as I can recall, that indicates something happening of vital significance that is not in the Z film.

That's another thing about this film. Greer turned to see what was happening behind him and jammed on the brakes, only to see Kennedy's head explode, then on with the accelerator to Parkland. Supposedly, removing the limo stop serves to hide Secret Service complicity. Are they kidding? Kennedy's agent in Love Field started to jog next to the limo and was called back by a secret service man who was evidently the supervisor. Now, they had to know a camera was trained on the limo from somewhere in Love Field. The SS man jogging, stops and throws up his hands like "It's your call." I feel his actions were for the benefit of whatever camera was filming them. And that there's SS complicity throughout that film.

Kathy