Kathleen Collins

Ron, Mark & Charles

I would have thought that if the Zapruder film did not exit there would be:

(i) No need for a single bullet theory.

(ii) No need to explain to interested people on both sides of the Atlantic, using obscure physical theory that ' A Back and to the left head movement' actually proves a head shot from the rear.

(iii) We may not be discussing this right now because this web page might not exist.

Chris Brown

Chris, I agree with you 100%. Why the govt released the Zapruder film, obviously doctored (limo stop removed, turn at Elm gone, sign concealing Kennedy when he received the throat wound), amazes me in its stupidity. The govt would have you believe he was shot from behind. But when I watch the film, it's so obvious to me he was shot from his right front. So they're telling you he was shot from behind, but you're seeing a side/frontal shot. Don't people believe their eyes anymore? That's why I can't understand why they ever released that film!

And btw, this subject matter got me thrown off jfkresearch.com.

Kathy

Gil,

youtube was a bit pixelated.

Here's another version if it helps.

chris

Chris, where did you get that version of the Z-film from? It's so clear.

Kathy

I don’t know if this is useful, but according to Jim Marrs, Greer was almost positive he heard JFK talk after shots had been fired.

Johansson

Greer was in on it. He heard shooting, stopped the car and looked back at Kennedy, who was struggling with his throat. Kennedy got hit in the head from the front-right and Greer took off.

I believe in Secret Service complicity.

Kathy

Hi, Ron. I don't see the headsnap in that Nix film. I see Jackie's right hand fly up, so it must be obscured.

Kathy

If you can't see JFK's head moving back after the shot, what can I say? Does anyone else see it, or has this stuff just finally made me delusional?

However, Ron, that clip gives me further evidence or belief that President Kennedy was shot front the right front. And I agree with Jack that all the evidence was tampered with over the years. And I wish people who have films or photos of the assassination would come forward with them.

Kathy

Thanks for that report Don. I consider it a certainty that JFK Jr's death was a murder. There's no Kennedy curse; there's just the fact that the fascists hate the Kennedys and know they couldn't beat any of them in a fair election. His death had all the telltale signs: early news reports being scrubbed and replaced with accounts blaming the victim and failing to follow up on earlier accounts, the failure to search for his missing plane sooner, the good weather conditions reported as bad, the good pilot reported as bad, the likelihood that he'd run for office and be unbeatable and the certainty that he'd investigate his father's death,...

Plus the context--father murdered, uncle murdered, uncle barely surviving one or two murder attempts... He was murdered. And Fortunate Son was missing during that time. Like murderous father like murderous son.

Len Osanic had a show on his radio station blackops.com some months ago with a man who has written a book claiming George W. Bush went missing that whole weekend. No one knew where he was. The author, whose name I forget (sorry), claims W. had something to do with killing John Kennedy Jr. Osanic gives a brief description of each of his shows, so it shouldn't be hard to find the specific show. I haven't been to blackops for awhile.

Kathy

NO WITNESS on the AFTERNOON of November 22, 1963,

reported A HEADSNAP as seen after Z frame 312 !

There's a head snap in the Nix film. Is that film not a "witness"? Or was the Nix film altered too (to deliberately put in a backward movement of the head)?

Hi, Ron. I don't see the headsnap in that Nix film. I see Jackie's right hand fly up, so it must be obscured.

Charles, the fact that all the Parkland hospital doctors saw John Kennedy one way, and the Bethesda hospital doctors all saw Kennedy's body looking quite different is either:

1. The Bethesda doctors were lying or; 2. Someone altered the body after it left Parkland hospital -- which may be why Arthur Schlesinger, as I said on another thread, told Bobby Kennedy to close the coffin as it wasn't John Kennedy, it was a "wax dummy."

Kathy

I remember when he was named as the Vice President candidate to McGovern. A reporter got him on the air and asked him how it feels to be the possible next Vice President. Eagleton answered, to the effect, "I'm usually more nervous than I am now." He was sweating. I remember thinking his answer was weird. Then they found out Eagalton had underwent shock treatments for depression, and they might have added he was a manic-depressive. That was the end of him on a national level. And McGovern lost big time.

Just a memory.

Kathy

I bought a copy of Say Goodbye to the President in the hopes of seeing Bobby Kennedy's demeanor on August 5, 1962. Mr. Bates, a family friend, showed photos of Robert Kennedy at his ranch on Saturday, August 4. This was in Gilroy, CA, near San Francisco. Bates maintains that Bobby Kennedy was there all weekend with some of his kids and Ethel. In the photos what I see is a tanned, normal, happy man.

On Aug. 4, the Pollards, neighbors of Marilyn Monroe, were playing bridge with friends when they saw Bobby pull up in a convertible. I believe they said another man accompanied him, but I read that so long ago -- it might not be right. And it might be one of Slatzer's embellishments.

Another author quotes throughout his book 2 dead people: Mrs. Murray and her son-in-law, Norman Jeffries, who were at the scene. He says Bobby Kennedy sent Murray and Jeffries away and he was with one or two men. I guess the Pollards are gone, so we can't back this up. This book maintains that Bobby beat up Marilyn Monroe, brought her into her guest house where she kept her files, and killed her, leaving her for dead. Motive: Her little red diary. Now I ask you, is Bobby Kennedy going to kill a well-known woman because she wrote down some secrets he told her about the Kennedy Administration? First of all, he could have burned it -- she had a fireplace. But she may have a copy somewhere else. Or she could tell someone verbatim what Bobby told her. Once he told her, he put it into her knowledge. So whether it's written down or not, she knows things about Castro, and the UFO men captured at Roswell, Jimmy Hoffa, the mob, etc. If she threatens to tell people, especially since her old psychiatrist, Dr. Krist, committed her to a mental hospital the year before, who is going to care? Most won't believe her and Kennedy could scoff at it and say he's very sorry for her. They attended a party once and got to talking about the space program. He's sorry she tied in our Moon race with flying saucers. And just stand there and shake his head. Why murder her? It's ridiculous.

So why would Bobby Kennedy kill Marilyn Monroe? It is more reasonable to conclude that after he left her house after a visit, the CIA, FBI or the mafia, or any intel agency, went in and killed her, hoping to frame Bobby Kennedy.

When Jeffries and Murray returned, Marilyn was on a bed in the guest house and still had a pulse. Her psychiatrist, Ralph Greenson, showed up suddenly and gave her an injection in her heart, presumably adrenaline; it hit her rib instead and the needle broke. She died.

Another book has come out, which I haven't read, by a sister (I think) of Joe DiMaggio, who states she was on the phone with Marilyn when Marilyn yelled out a name and the phone went dead. This name she would not tell anyone because of fear someone would die in the DiMaggio family. If this is true, could Monroe have yelled out, "Bobby!" -- ? The sister must have told Joe, but unless she says more, we'll never know. -- But I didn't read the book; maybe she says within that she did tell her brother.

Anyway, I am requesting that someone post the photograph that I will describe. It's dated August 5, 1962 at 9:30 am. It shows Bobby outside a Catholic Church with his wife and kids in Gilroy, CA. Marilyn Monroe was dead. The public knew this at approx 5 am. The photo was in B/W. It was in a book, most likely. But which one?

I would love it if someone could post or scan it.

Thank You,

Kathy

There is one writer who never gets mentioned. Playwright William Inge. He wrote the best tragic parts for actresses. Most of his plays were turned into films. There was: The Stripper (1964), Bus Stop (1956), Come Back Little Sheba (50's), and my mind goes blank. He wrote many others. All I know about him is he was gay and he committed suicide. And I have a degree in English. We never covered him.

Kathy

And he wrote Splendor in the Grass.

Kathy

Good topic. How about writers from the 1950's and 60's? What do you reckon the influence of Jack Kerouac was on 20th century literature and culture?

1950's: Malcolm Lowry (Under the Volcano); Vladimir Nabokov (Lolita -- hard to believe English was his second language); Allen Ginsberg (Howl), Anne Sexton (To Bedlam and Part-Way Back); John Berryman (Dreamsongs -- "Henry" persona); Norman Mailer (The Naked and the Dead);

1940's: Arthur Miller (Death of a Salesman); Tennessee Williams (A Streetcar Named Desire); Gore Vidal (The City and the Pillar).

Kathy

There is one writer who never gets mentioned. Playwright William Inge. He wrote the best tragic parts for actresses. Most of his plays were turned into films. There was: The Stripper (1964), Bus Stop (1956), Come Back Little Sheba (50's), and my mind goes blank. He wrote many others. All I know about him is he was gay and he committed suicide. And I have a degree in English. We never covered him.

Kathy

When I was researching the Mary Pinchot Meyer case I once again came across the name Leo Damore. Apparently, why researching his book, Senatorial Privilege: The Chappaquiddick Cover-Up, he came across information that persuaded him to research the Meyer case. However, Damore committed suicide in 1995 and the book was never published.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAdamore.htm

Although I had read extracts of Senatorial Privilege on the web I thought it would be a good idea to get a copy of the book. I could then find out if there was any links with what he found out about Chappaquiddick and the assassination of JFK. If he did, there is no evidence of this in the book. I know that he came under intense pressure from the Kennedy family not to publish the book. (Random House cancelled the contract for the book although it had paid Damore a generous advance). In fact, the book was not published until 14 years after he started work on the project. I suspect he may have been forced to remove some parts of the book before it was published. Although a detailed account of the cover-up, it does not tell us anything we did not know. Damore’s main scoop is to get Kennedy’s cousin, Joe Gargan, to tell his story. Gargan and Paul Markham were the two friends who were told about the accident and tried to rescue Mary Jo Kopechne. Gargan’s story is not very different from the one he told during the inquest. The main difference is that Gargan argues that the reason for the delay in reporting the incident was that Edward Kennedy was trying to persuade someone else to take the blame for driving the car. Gargan and Markham refused. Kennedy then wanted to claim that Mary Jo was driving. This idea was also rejected. At this point, Kennedy tells the two men that he planned to go back to Edgartown to report the accident. He then dived into the water to swim back to his hotel (this was a very risky thing to do and Kennedy claims he nearly drowned during the swim. As there was a public phone close by, it seems a very strange thing to have done.

Damore’s main thesis is that Kennedy was drunk and therefore not willing to report the accident until the next morning. However, he must have been aware, that not reporting the accident was a far more serious offence. Damore does not explain this nor several other items of evidence that undermines Gargan’s story. I think Damore is wrong to believe Gargan’s story. I suspect this was more about Gargan covering-up his own behaviour.

I will post later what I think might have happened at Chappaquiddick.

It's been a long time since I read Senatorial Privilege by Leo Damore, but I recall Damore making the rounds of NY radio talk shows. Then suddenly he's dead. I find this suspicious, as someone said he killed himself. I don't believe this for a minute. But what I couldn't get over was Joe Gargan, Ted's cousin, giving so much incriminating info about Ted to Damore for his book. Gargan really turned against Ted 20 odd years later. I've never found anything about that aspect. Can you imagine the hatred this would engender? Or already existed? How is Gargan being treated by the Kennedy family?

I think Ted got out of the car to hide in brush and told Mary Jo to take off. She must have seen this little road and turned into it fast and her car fell off that cursed bridge. This is why no one saw Ted wet. Or upset the next morning. Then Gargan and Markham show up to inform him Mary Jo drowned. Which is another reason he didn't call for help. He thought she got home safe.

Also, there were reports of E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis being seen on Martha's Vineyard. Which is another theory.

Kathy Collins

Therefore it is maybe more worthwhile to talk to June and/or Rachel. I understand especially Rachel wants to see her father vindicated.

Wim

Mr. Dankbaar. I suppose it would be too much to hope for: to get a DNA sample from June and/or Rachel. Then to compare it to Robert Oswald, their "uncle." I don't believe Robert Oswald is their uncle. I don't think he's related to them or to LHO.

Kathy

I am the author of that comparison. I did it in the late 70s as part of my slide lecture.

I wanted to show it to the HSCA, but was told I would be HELD IN COMTEMPT OF CONGRESS

if I attempted to do so. They did not want any mention of multiple Oswalds.

The photo labeled OSWALD is from the LHO PASSPORT when he just got out of the Marines

and went to Russia. The photo labeled HIDELL is the DALLAS POLICE MUG SHOT of the

patsy under arrest. Certainly the first is chronologically different, but it is impossible for

photos of the same man to be morphologically different. Skulls do not change shape.

This is not a "theory" but a side by side comparison of two photos alleged to be the same

man. In my lectures all I did was present the slide as Bernice has posted, and ask the

question....DO THESE TWO PHOTOS SHOW THE SAME MAN?

Jack

The little Oswald looks like Harvey, but he's too small and slight. The woman with him. Is she Harvey's Marguerite? Because there seems to be a resemblance.

Kathy

I prefer strict use of grammar for concise communication. However, in informal use I frequently

type thru instead of through, and similar informalities. My most frequent mistakes are typos,

since my proofreading is not as good as it used to be. I deplore bad spelling and bad grammar,

which reflect adversely on the message being conveyed. If someone ain't smart enuf to spel

Zeprudah, how can you believe their theory on his film, for example?

Jack

I used to win spelling bees all the time. But lately I've noticed a hesitancy in me with certain words, so I have to check the words in the dictionary for the spelling. And usually I've spelt it right. I guess it's age.

But what I wanted to say -- dyslexics. I went to Catholic school. If you couldn't spell or learn properly, they'd beat the crap out of you. I've never been dyslexic, so I wonder what that's like. In Oswald's Tale by Norman Mailer, there are documents in the back written by Harvey Oswald (I guess). He evidently had dyslexia. With my upbringing, seeing that, I would have thought he was stupid. I remember a nun slapping a girl right next to me, who was coloring with her left hand. The nun said, "The devil is making you use that hand." I didn't know my right from my left. So I was scared when she came over to me. Apparently, I was using the correct hand. That's why I never heard of dyslexia in Catholic school. You were just stupid.

Kathy

Bob Dylan's Like a Rolling Stone has lyrics which read, "You say you never compromised/ with the mystery tramp..."

Someone told me he believed "mystery tramp" came from the pictures of the mystery tramps in Dealey Plaza.

BTW, the song is about Edie Sedgwick, Andy Warhol star, heiress and drug addict.

Kathy

[quote name='Kathleen Collins' post='94456' date='Feb 18 2007, 06:32 PM'

Kathy: Do you know who is instigating this? Has one or both of Marina's daughters requested this or consented to this?

Kathy: Thanks for the response. What about Rachel and June Lee? Has either of them been approached about this project and do they consent?

PS most people call me Ray.

I first heard of the relevance of a DNA test between Robert Oswald and June or Rachel Oswald (not their name) when a major member of the Kennedy community told me about it. I was under the idea that many in the community would have liked this DNA test. As far as I know, no one is attempting to do this. But it would be great if it could be done.

Gary Mack wrote to me and feels that if a DNA test could be performed between these individuals, no one would believe the outcome and we'd be arguing the results and the way they came about for eternity.

I don't know how to get in touch with those women. I wonder what their reaction would be. I've read in the past that those 2 girls had very unhappy childhoods because they were made fun of and ostracized in school. In their looks they resembled Harvey because they had very dark hair. But I wouldn't know either of them if I fell over them in the street.

Kathy

Hi guys, I haven't posted in a while, so I don't think any of you know me, but I live in Wichita Falls, about two miles down from the Antigua St address listed here. As far as I know, he has lived at THAT address for many years. I have phone books from the last couple of years that list him at that address. I have been by there a few times, and even sent him a letter once........no response of course. The Antigua St house is on a cul de sac, and everytime I've been by there, there is really no sign of life. No cars, no lights, no people. Kinda strange. Anyways, I had heard that he was moving, and I found out that the house was on the market. That's as far as I know. Not sure if it sold, and if so, where he moved to. So I guess I'm the official "stalker" now? I know most people here would be curious enough to drive by every now and then, am I wrong?

You're not wrong and you're honest. If a newspaper did a story on Donald Norton, they'd probably show his picture and/or his home. It's public and he's connected to the Assassination. He supposedly, in front of Bill Kelly (who has curious feelings toward Norton) had Mae Brussels, a highly-esteemed radio CT, identify him as "Lee Oswald" almost 40 years ago. And we're just supposed to let that go. I am not invading Norton's privacy. I merely posted public records, as he has notoriety in the matter of this Forum. Remember he's alive and Kennedy is dead.

Greg, are the numbers on those homes really 1006? Odd coincidence.

Kathy

I can google my name and find anything I've chosen to put out there because I'M THE ONE WHO'S WRITTEN IT DOWN AND CHOSE TO PUT IT OUT THERE. Relatives and old boyfriends have found me. Why? Because I made myself known and I have nothing to hide. On the other hand, someone such as the people you're trying to track may not want that information thrown around, or a trail etched to their doorway.

"I don't believe Donald Norton was a red herring. Stuff is still going on with him. He owns 2 residences in Avon Park, FL. Both houses are numbered 1006 on different streets. A doctor's office also came up. The address? 1006 W. Pleasant St. So I wanted to see his house like I was riding in his neighborhood. And I posted one or two pictures. I thought someone would find it interesting. Why are we protecting these people as time is running out fast?"

Who cares what he owns in Florida? Especially if he's a paid asset or agent. So, the numbers come up the same on different streets. Well, you can find that on alot of streets, and in alot of towns. Especially if the houses were built in the early part of the twentieth century, and were part and parcel of a block of lots owned by someone who's surname will also appear on a map of the area as the "edition" of so and so's, or "Located in the So and So edition," who originally bought it in say, 1902, and had it subdivided.

If someone was cruising my street and taking pictures of my house, I might just report it to the local authorities. I'd sure be interested to find out if that person was in the real estate business, or not, and perhaps was trying to market my house? Otherwise, why would they be taking the time to shoot photographs of where I lived?

And who's protecting whom from whom? You need incriminating evidence to build a case. Do you actually believe there'll ever be a case brought against Norton, or the Oswald's will somehow be forced to submit blood samples, for what?

Read Prouty, Donald Gibson, Harold Weisberg, Jim Garrison, Lisa Pease and Jim DiEugenio, Lyndon LaRouche and Carroll Quigley. Sterling Seagrave has a real good handle on what's really going down. You need to delve into the "deeper politics" of this case before you go off half-cocked chasing waterfalls. You might just end up getting yourself arrested one of these days.

David Lifton gave me a good tip on researchers when he mentioned that it's one thing to think you know what you're looking for. You can pull the damned archives of NARA apart, but if you don't know how to interpret what you're looking at, you're wasting yours and everybody else's time. And, if you don't know how to interview someone once you've made contact with them, you'll end up blowing your wad for nothing, and risk contaminating the waters for someone else who's more experienced at doing that sort of thing.

Besides, the perps are right under your nose, but so well insulated and so goddamned rich they'll never be hauled in for questioning. They could never make it stick to one of the masterminds, who just recently passed away peacefully, in his old age. If you're going to track down anybody with the real answers, go after G. Gordon Liddy, or Felix Rodriguez. Donald Norton and Robert Oswald are small fish, most likely closer to compartmentalized patsies, and already psy-op'd to answer on que.

"On the same site, I came across a photo of a man who looked like the "yearbook" picture. As his photo was scrolling down, a name appeared under it: Ralph Geb. I wrote it down and didn't think very much of it. I decided to look him up later. When I did, I discovered Ralph Geb was one of the LHO impersonators in Mexico. He, too, had a brother -- in Army Intelligence. Tell me, what are the odds that something like that will happen? I never heard of Ralph Geb."

So what? There were at least 8 LHO impersonators and some of them were running around in Dealey Plaza on 11-22-63, as well. They're called "cut-outs," the scenarios they perform, in the tasks they're assigned, are called "cut-outs." They're diversionary tactics.

BTW, why do you use such gothic, vampiric pseudonyms for your web/blogsite, and e-mail address? Sardonicus? Isn't that the smile of a corpse after the body has reached a stage in the decay process where the lips become pulled back to the ears, exposing the teeth in a hideous smile? In forensic terminology, known as The Sardonicus Smile? Didn't they make a horror movie of the same name, back in the 1950's?

I think the average person would be surprised what's on zabasearch.com about them.

About Donald Norton: John Armstrong (or was it Jack W?) published reams of Donald Norton addresses on another site. These are public records. Why do I have to walk on eggshells regarding Donald Norton? He knew or did something pertaining to the Kennedy Assassination. Big crime, remember?

The numbers 1006 on properties said to be his -- or used by him -- is very suspicious. And weird. These homes are obviously from the latter half of the 20th Century.

There are many incidental things to the Kennedy Assassination. I can't enforce the law, but I can point to something not right.

Nobody is going to arrest me for making a public record public. I have no intention of contacting Robert Oswald nor Donald Norton. Someone suggested a DNA test to me -- in fantasy. It wasn't of my origin.

You make light of me finding a photo of Ralph Geb, whom I never heard of previously. I was on a site looking for Donald Norton info, just following a hunch. As a photo unrolled -- I hadn't seen it yet -- the name beneath said Ralph Geb. I wrote this down. When I saw the picture, I thought he looked like the "yearbook" picture. So I looked up the name and was shocked to find Ralph Geb had impersonated LHO in Mexico. This truly shocked me.

I use the names I do because I love horror films from the '30's - 60's. Mr. Sardonicus was one of my favorites. I have a best friend from my home state who appreciated things about these movies too and that formed the basis of our friendship. Only if you've grown up watching Dracula (1932) or Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein on the Million Dollar Movie in the NY area of the '60's, over and over, night after night, can you begin to understand.

"Zacherly here,"

Kathy

I've always considered the Norton-Oswald-Lee aspect as, more than likely, another "red Herring," thrown into the mix, if you will. Even if there were a connection, in all probability, it would have been that of a cut-out, or possibly another "rabbit hole" to be chased down, as a diversionary tactic. And, as you well pointed out, Dix. If, by blatantly making these parties' information available on the World Wide Web, in an attempt to somehow coerce them into being more accessible, or amenable to the suggestion that they submit DNA evidence to an amateur, no less, is laughable, not to mention preposterous. I'm sure all the legal aspects of this suggestion have been mulled over by the professionals in the field, in the last twelve to fifteen years since the submission of DNA as evidence has been used in the court of law. But, the thought of relegating the acquisition of such, into the hands of the unqualified, or the inexperienced, might nullify the results, making it suspect, on the grounds of either contamination, or by the unauthorized manner in which it was retrieved.

On the point of broadcasting someone's name, address, or phone number on the internet, without their permission, regardless of whether it's listed or not. Wouldn't that constitute more than just an invasion of privacy? It would seem as though a person who would take the liberty of making another person's information accessible in that manner, would be intentionally setting that person up as a target for harassment, as well. The listing of a person's phone number, and access to their address is a far cry from assuming they're advertising their accessibility to all "comers." There's a charge for having your phone number "unlisted." If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's somewhere in the neighborhood of $11.00 a month, out here in California. Therefore, a person living on a fixed or limited income, might not find that financially feasible, nowadays.

Terry, there's a website called zabasearch.com. I bet you'll find yourself mentioned therein. I don't believe Donald Norton was a red herring. Stuff is still going on with him. He owns 2 residences in Avon Park, FL. Both houses are numbered 1006 on different streets. A doctor's office also came up. The address? 1006 W. Pleasant St. So I wanted to see his house like I was riding in his neighborhood. And I posted one or two pictures. I thought someone would find it interesting. Why are we protecting these people as time is running out fast?

Regarding Norton, I was looking up businesses related to him. And I happened on this website with a lot of photos. There was a man who looked exactly like Donald Norton. This man spends the summer up in Canada and the winter in Florida. I believe it's either Donald O. Norton himself or a brother. Donald Norton has a brother close in age. Could that be he or his brother?

On the same site, I came across a photo of a man who looked like the "yearbook" picture. As his photo was scrolling down, a name appeared under it: Ralph Geb. I wrote it down and didn't think very much of it. I decided to look him up later. When I did, I discovered Ralph Geb was one of the LHO impersonators in Mexico. He, too, had a brother -- in Army Intelligence. Tell me, what are the odds that something like that will happen? I never heard of Ralph Geb.

On the blog thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com starting Feb and March 2006, there is more about this topic.

Kathy

I Wouldn't say that 2222 Harlandale to 3128 Harlandale is across town. (Distance 0,8 miles).

To verify you can do a route planner on www.mapquest.com I attempted to attach my search above. It's a mouthful but it should work.

I believe you. To me, it looked like a bit of a hike.

Kathy

Kathleen,

I know that it is available, but what purpose does it serve to post this information. I don't think that we will learn very much about Robert Oswald's character from the roofing of his house. It is completely irrelevant. I am listed in the phone book, but that does not mean that I would wish for anyone to post all of my details on the internet.

Many are not frequent users of the internet and are not aware of google earth. Most people would assume that people that did not know them would look up their house and accompany a photo of it with their phone number.

If you can give me a good explanation as to why an aerial picture of the house is relevant, I'm all ears.

John

Google Earth is a research tool. It isn't always accurate in pinpointing someone's home. It's like driving past the house where Robert Oswald lives. Or Donald O. Norton. John Armstrong followed Norton for years, but Norton was always one step ahead of him. You might not be curious about these people, what they do for a living or how they live, but I bet others are. I have never tried to contact these people.

Since your name is in the book, presumably with your address, you are now very accessible to someone curious about you. In effect, you're on the Internet already, John.

Kathy

Kathy...

I am sure all my own info can also be found at google as well as yours. Public info, of course. But I sure wouldn't want anyone broadcasting all that info, to all the world, would you?

You accused me of using a moral judgement...and having a very biased reaction....you are right on both counts. I believe in descretion. If I ran across some info that I knew related to something, someone was researching, then I might decide to share that info. That is on a one-on-one basis, not for all the world to see. I do believe that a persons privacy is very important and I do not ever apologize for that.

I am well aware of the question of Robert Oswald vs Lee Harvey Oswald. Most of us would like to know if they are or are not actual brothers. However, I don't see Robert cooperating at all in our curiosities. I also believe that invading his privacy is not going to bring us any closer to the truth. In fact, it may even have the opposite effect.

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Dixie

Dixie, thanks for answering me. If Robert Oswald wanted privacy, he wouldn't have his name and address published in the phone book. He seems fairly assessible. Since it's already known where he lives, I don't see where I'm invading his privacy.

Donald O. Norton has 2 residences in Avon Park, FL. And a doctor's office came up in my search. These 3 properties are located at 1006, on different streets. I think that's very curious.

Bill Kelly said to me online: are you still going to continue to "stalk" Donald O. Norton? Norton lives 2 hours from me. This man had something to do with the assassination. And Ralph Geb meant nothing to me. But his recent picture looked like the "yearbook" photo. I wrote the name down. Later, I searched his name and he was listed as having taken part in the Kennedy assassination. I was shocked. I couldn't believe I had stumbled onto something like this.

But to answer your main comment, I don't see what's wrong with showing a picture of where these people live. It's accessible to the public. A man died in a violent manner with his wife as a witness. I want to know more about that occurrence. If they were involved in the assassination, in any capacity, I don't have too much sympathy for them.

Donald O. Norton has had a better photo of where he lived and his picture published by someone in the research community already. John Armstrong followed Norton for years. Norton said he was Lee Oswald (as opposed to Harvey). In Harvey and Lee, Lee Oswald was in the TSBD and shot from the 6th floor. So if this man claimed to Mae Brussels in front of witnesses that he was Lee Oswald, and the book says that Lee shot from that 6th floor window, I don't see why I should walk on eggshells with a possible assassin.

Again, thank you for your comments, Dixie.

Kathy

POsted by John G.

One question,

What is achieved from knowing what the roof of his or anyone else's house look like? I would consider it an invasion of privacy to have my address, phone number and a photo of my house placed on the internet for all to see.

Frankly, I find it quite improper to do this.

Whatever your opinion of Robert oswald, I find it in poor taste to publicise his details.

John geraghty.

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Thank you, John! I totally agree with you. It also seems like an invitation for someone that doesn't have a clue, to do something very foolish. I am thinking that with some, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!! In addition, sometimes when the kids are all grown and leave home, many choose to find a smaller home, a retirenment village or a mobile home park.

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Dixie

Google Earth is a free program. It shows houses and streets. It's public information. If someone objected to their residence appearing on this program, they'd basically get in touch with Google and their houses would be blurry -- and you'd see nothing.

I don't see anything wrong about putting this photo on an Internet website. We're all interested in Robert Oswald. Many researchers believe he is not related to Lee Harvey Oswald at all.

I think plumbing the Internet constitutes research. Though some here want to show their method of researching is more politically correct than my Internet searches. It sounds like a morality judgement and a very biased reaction.

One question,

What is achieved from knowing what the roof of his or anyone else's house look like? I would consider it an invasion of privacy to have my address, phone number and a photo of my house placed on the internet for all to see.

Frankly, I find it quite improper to do this. Whatever your opinion of Robert oswald, I find it in poor taste to publicise his details.

John geraghty

You can look at the building from different angles. Robert Oswald was always asked questions about his "brother" Lee. His address is listed. He's not hiding. Google Earth only shows areas that are not bothered by residents/communities. Otherwise the place would be blurry.

Kathy

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Kathy: Do you know who is instigating this? Has one or both of Marina's daughters requested this or consented to this?

I would say someone connected to jfkresearch.com

Thanks,

Kathy

Kathy: Thanks for the response. What about Rachel and June Lee? Has either of them been approached about this project and do they consent?

PS most people call me Ray.

As far as I know, no one was approached about a DNA test. It's just if this was done, we'd know something peculiar attached Robert Oswald to Harvey Oswald -- and it wasn't blood.