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Book 4, which I guess John is about to start writing, is called ARMAGEDDON.
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This is one of the longer documents uploaded by John Barbour this week. I've uploaded it to Scribd so folks can access it directly. If any of the other documents uploaded by John are of interest, I'll put those on Scribd as well. Hopefully John will continue with these uploads.
Clay Shaw / Cuba file
https://www.scribd.com/document/398606062/Jim-Garrison-Shaw-Cuba-file-pdf
John's site is here.
http://www.johnbarboursworld.com
and his YouTube channel is here.
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No problem. I've just uploaded one of them to Scribd as well. Will post a link to it as soon as it's done.
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If he has files to release, files that CIA also has but keeps secret, let’s see them.
He has released them. Each release will be linked here
http://www.johnbarboursworld.com/the-garrison-files/
And the direct link to the first batch of files is here.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1SX-mP6IrS5qugaloVYIR2QwGLzRav66n
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WHERE ANGELS TREAD LIGHTLY is interesting and fascinating but stops abruptly, and probably makes more sense in conjunction with COUNTDOWN TO DARKNESS, where you can see where things were starting to go. Robin Ramsay did a funny review of it - “What does this have to do with the JFK assassination? Nothing, as far as I can tell..” I disagree but it won’t really serve readers as a stand-alone book.
I should start another thread on Richard Pipes at some point, and how his son Daniel made a point of repeatedly attacking JFK assassination researchers. A few of those articles are here.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2013/11/bibliography-my-writings-on-john-f-kennedy
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Ron, I’d suggest giving it a shot, on Kindle perhaps (and there are apps that let you read Kindle ebooks on your phone if you don’t have a tablet) as the ebook versions of this series are much cheaper. Book 2 ends with David Atlee Phillips in his back yard weeping with anger over the Bay of Pigs, and I think Book 3 for some readers would actually be a decent starting point.
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Newman’s last comment was in response to an odd digression I’d raised. Prof Richard Pipes pops up in the narrative of COUNTDOWN TO DARKNESS. Lemnitzer would eventually assemble alongside various Committee on the Present Danger members on the Team B group in the latter half of the 70’s. And that Team B group, full of long term anti communists like Paul Nitze, was chaired by Pipes.
in the volume HOW HARVARD RULES, there’s a long essay - titled something like HARVARD AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY STATE - which goes into the milieu of many of those guys, Nitze and others, and their shared background at Harvard. Philip Zelikow, a fixture at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, was later the guy chosen to ‘edit’ the transcripts of Kennedy’s meetings with the Joint Chiefs for publication.
I like the idea of Newman doing a lot of books, but if each volume takes two years to write, it’s a long haul. I’m glad he keeps very fit and does yoga.
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Interesting to see from John's introduction that the series might now encompass six volumes rather than five.
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All this stuff is dotted throughout Walt’s full published chronology, but it’s so, so long - including all the supplementary volumes, it’s easily several times the length of RECLAIMING HISTORY - most people will never finish reading it. At the end of Volume 4 Walt includes a roughly 200 page summary of how he thinks the entire plot went down, including a lengthy Q&A discussing elements of the assassinstion from questions sent in by subscribers to his mag. I’ve browsed the summary without reading it from start to finish as I felt I should read the whole chronology first, but each of the four main ebooks takes around a month to read, so with a life and a family I’ve never hit volume 4. Just to mention for those unfamiliar with his ebooks (which I suspect few here are now), book 1 is the years and months before the assassination, book 2 is the weekend of JFK’s death, book 3 covers the Warren Commission and book 4 covers the media, HSCA, AARB and researchers up to the present day. The supplementary volumes have titles like ‘Dealey Plaza Perceptions’, ‘Motorcade Witnesses’, ‘Jack Ruby’, ‘Medical Evidence’ and so on, and are heavily annotated with essays and chapters by Walt. They’re all on Amazon, and the Word doc. CD that Walt sells is beneficial as you can correct the frequent spelling errors and typos that pop up in his self-published manuscript.
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Happy to help. Here’s the Wikipedia page on the guy who directed the Gladio documentary, Allan Francovich.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Francovich
They call him a conspiracy theorist in the opening paragraph, then blandly note his death during transit through George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston, Texas. Francovich had earlier directed a film on the Lockerbie disaster. At Deep Politics Forum, a regular there (and I sadly forget who) mentioned the background to Francovich’s film, c/o her experience with the BBC and Channel 4. The documentary was done by an external production company led by Francovich and reportedly flew somewhat under the radar right up to the day of screening. The content likely raised a few eyebrows, or worse.
Some more articles and essays of interest - all found under the umbrella of the Gladio site linked earlier.
Richard J Aldrich’s study of the early work of William Donovan and others, OSS, CIA AND EUROPEAN UNITY: THE AMERICAN COMMITTEE ON UNITED EUROPE, 1948-60.
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/pais/people/aldrich/publications/oss_cia_united_europe_eec_eu.pdf
A 1975 Washington Post article, THE CIA IS LINKED TO EUROPEAN UNITY FUNDING GROUPS.
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White Files/Security-CIA/CIA 1276.pdf
The defunct Operation Gladio site’s still active Scribd document upload page, with numerous foreign language parliamentary reports (Italian, Belgian etc) into Gladio’s activities.
https://www.scribd.com/user/189925876/Operation-Gladio/uploads
A 1959 report by the Italian military Secret Service, SIFAR, on Gladio, which is named a few pages in.
A 1995 Italian parliamentary report into terrorism in Italy (obviously in Italian).
https://www.scribd.com/document/114807817/Parliamentary-Investigation-into-Terrorism-in-Italy-1995
A declassified 1953 CIA file confirming the establishment of a ‘stay behind’ Gladio branch in Germany.
Stephen Lang’s long 2010 article THE ORIGINS OF THE CIA AND THE NON-STRATEGIC DEVELOPMENT OF U.S POLITICAL WARFARE, 1946-47.
A long US government translation of a 1960 DER SPIEGEL article on European terrorism.
Prime Minister Andreotti’s 1990 report on Gladio for the Italian senate.
1952 CIA report discussing the hiring of a proposed team leader for German stay behind groups.
https://www.scribd.com/document/146582589/Declassified-CIA-file-RUES-Dr-Jur-Hans-Erich
Mario Del Perro’s essay THE UNITED STATES AND PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE IN ITALY, 1948-1955.
https://www.scribd.com/document/142202985/Mario-Del-Pero-The-United-States-and-Psychological-Warfare
A striking March 1973 letter from James Angleton detailing a CIA training program for ‘foreign police/security personnel’, giving the latter groups training in bomb manufacture, ostensibly to help in unspecified future ‘investigations’. Note - Gladio activities in Europe were running at a peak through this period, from memory.
https://www.scribd.com/document/207339114/Letter-from-James-Jesus-Angleton-29-Mar-1973
Susan Perlman’s 2006 thesis SHOCK THERAPY: THE UNITED STATES ANTI-COMMUNIST PSYCHOLOGICAL CAMPAIGN IN FOURTH REPUBLIC FRANCE.
I’m sure I’m missing a few, but that’s enough for now. Just as a final note, Andrew Cockburn’s biography of Donald Rumsfeld has an interesting aside where it notes what Donald Rumsfeld got up to in Belgium as NATO ambassador in the early 70’s, through the same period that the anti communist Gladio bombings and attacks were (according to at least one of the books I’ve cited) being run by NATO out of Belgium. He struck up a long, ongoing friendship with Paul Nitze - one of the leading anti communist figures, based on his career - who happened to be over there at the time. Nitze and Rumsfeld, among a few other likeminded souls, would sit together on the 70’s incarnation of the Committee on the Present Danger a few years later.
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The two good English language books on Gladio are NATO’S SECRET ARMIES and Philip Willan’s THE PUPPETMASTERS. Both are heavily researched and footnoted. Cottrell’s book isn’t particularly well footnoted or referenced at all, sadly. Willan also later published a book on the CIA, the Vatican and the Calvi murder that I gather acts as a semi sequel to his Gladio volume. I’ll just throw in the additional observation that Willan has been an Italian regional correspondent for THE TIMES, THE GUARDIAN and a few other publications for some decades, lives in Rome, speaks the language and refers to a lot of primary sources, so his stuff is not to be sneezed st.
There was an English language European-based website on Gladio, with probably the biggest online collection of PDF’s and primary sources and articles, active up until a couple of years ago. They had a lot of good stuff. I think it’s gone now but I think a lot of it is still reachable through Internet Archive. I’ll search around and post a link. [Added below]
The YouTube documentary above is good. The guy who made it later suffered a heart attack while being questioned in customs at George Bush International Airport. There’s some solid threads on both him and Gladio at Deep Politics Forum.
Paul L. Williams also has a Gladio book out, and his volume has the most Amazon reviews. I strongly suspect his volume was given a push as it gently misdirects from some of the more overt CIA links and brings in a Mafia did it thesis instead. Perhaps I’m wrong. He earlier wrote near Fox News style propaganda fear mongering about Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, then switched to deep politics with the Gladio book and a newer title called THE KILLING OF UNCLE SAM. It all feels a bit too convenient.
Edit - here’s the European site on Gladio. If you dig through the site they might have those PDF’s still there. There were several on the early days of the Stay Behind groups formative years that I thought were worth reading. https://web.archive.org/web/20160728174832/http://operation-gladio.net
Some of those primary sources were later collated, with commentary, by UK researcher Tom Secker. That anthology is here.
http://www.investigatingtheterror.com/documents/files/gladiodocs.pdf
And probably also pertinent - Secker put together an annotated document on Northwoods. Here’s the link for that one.
http://www.investigatingtheterror.com/documents/files/northwoodsdocs.pdf
Three PDF’s by Ganser on Gladio are here.
http://blueshift.nu/doc/DanieleGanser_Terrorism_in_Western_Europe.pdf
http://www.journalof911studies.com/resources/2014GanserVol39May.pdf
And, worth reading, a long interview with Francesco Cossiga, Italian president during the latter Gladio years.
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The Kindle version has just now been released, and you can read the opening of the book on the Amazon page. I'll start reading it tonight.
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The Illuminati aren't involved but yeah, I get my Kindle version soon as well. Looking forward to reading it. It was heavily discounted on Amazon a few days ago and may still be, but was the #1 political history volume on their chart. This surely means it's time for the Guardian to drag out an unrelated RFK story or profile of Sirhan to muddy the Google algorithms for a few weeks.
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David Ivry, an Israeli air commander involved in the attack, became the Israeli ambassador to the US in the late 90’s, and receives a thank you from Dick Cheney in Cheney’s autobiography for helping the administration ‘get rid of Saddam’. At the onset of the Iraq war, Ivry left public service to become the Vice President of Boeing International.
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John says the book should be available to purchase in around three weeks.
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Thanks for the response Don, I’ll have a watch of that video.
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I also saw this story, and found it odd - which seems par for the course with some of these alternative news sites. Barbour has 'announced his intention to release long-suppressed files'. Why not just release them, rather than saying you're going to release them? It's a bit like if a member here wrote a post in this thread about how they intended to write a post in this thread.
'Barbour was drawn in by the very first file he read, which was David Ferrie's admission that he was affiliated with the CIA'.
So why not post the details, rather than summarising it in ten words? Was it an interview transcript with Ferrie? Who did the interview? What else did Ferrie discuss? Did Garrison or anyone else comment about the matter in print?
Seriously - these are questions that occur to me thirty seconds after reading the story. Article author Donald Jeffries wrote the HIDDEN HISTORY volume and would be aware of the importance of this sort of info. Yet he skips past the Ferrie assertion and moves on to mentioning Donald Trump in the next paragraph, and then discussing Barbour's career in general. Huh?
Maybe Barbour plans a gradual release of the files simply as he has to chuck each one into a scanner to make a PDF for each document, and then post it. That would take a while with 67 boxes, which would explain why he's announcing that he's going to do something with them. Fair enough.
MFF are set up to do this stuff. John really should pass them onto those guys, and get them to name it the Barbour/Garrison collection or something.
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It is not fiction but is a memoir and presented as a story so that the whole of it could be understood.
I'm assuming Christopher Fulton doesn't personally remember the two excerpts I quoted. And making up stuff - like Clinton personally urging the ARRB to bury evidence, spurred by a quoted CIA daily brief that never existed - won't lead to much understanding.
That fictional CIA daily brief described on page 11 of the book concludes with the name of a - again presumably fictional - CIA project name encompassing the agency's efforts to bury the evidence apparently detailed in THE INHERITANCE. I was going to quote that fictional project name, to ponder whether unwary researchers in future would be wasting limited FOIA time and resources to find out more about it - but you've now excluded that page from the Amazon preview. Fair enough.
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Kris, Trine Day publishes a lot of great stuff. I own a dozen or more of your books.
You say THE INHERITANCE is personal testimony. Was the guy sitting in the corner of the room when Louis Freeh was speaking gruffly to a subordinate?
You suggest we look at the documents. Is Clinton’s alleged conference call to all former living Presidents, and his battle plan involving the ARRB, recorded on any document?
The issue is that you’ve told us at the outset that parts of the narrative are fabricated, and then wished us luck as we sift through which parts are bullxxxx and which parts might actually be real. If researchers cite Clinton’s anti-JFK research call to his cohorts in future as an actual occurrence, they’ll need to add a footnote, “(CAUTION - This might never have happened).” This doesn’t happen too often in credible JFK research books, for reasons you can probably imagine.
I get that the author was probably hoping for a big book tour or movie deal - on his website, he mentions how he nominated himself for the Pulitzer Prize - but I’m frankly not looking for fiction in my JFK research volumes at the moment.
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The parts I quoted are fiction. I dunno why anyone would want to screw up a decent JFK book with stuff the author had made up out of thin air, but there you go. I’m not expecting much. Mal Hyman’s book will hopefully be out soon.
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From page 11 of the book -
QuoteFBI Special Agent Joe Callahan left the will hearing immediately, and drove to FBI's headquarters in downtown Washington D.C. After writing his report, he walked to the office of Director Louis J. Freeh.
"My report, sir", Callahan said, as he placed it on the director's desk.
"Anything out of the ordinary?" Freeh asked, while looking at the report.
"Yes, sir. I believe our Russian counterpart was there, and Robert Kennedy's secretary approached the bench. She gave a letter to the judge."
Freeh looked up sharply. "And?"
"The content of the letter was not read aloud. White inherited."
Freeh made a guttural acknowledgement before saying, "Now this is a concern for national security. I'll have a judge approve a wiretap for White's residence. I want you to monitor it."
"Yes sir."
Immediately after this, there's a paragraph where President Clinton, sitting in the Oval Office, reads a CIA morning brief that refers to the JFK assassination. We get a dramatic half page block of text from Clinton's morning brief - we never find out how the author has obtained the text of it, as no documents are referenced or footnoted - and the brief alerts the President that classified materials have been given to a private citizen. The assassination materials 'require above top secret classification', the whole thing is a 'national security concern', and there's a special CIA code name given in the text, so the spooks can more easily discuss the matter without insiders learning what they've just written in that morning's brief to the POTUS. Alarmed, President Clinton gets on the phone and calls up all the still living previous Presidents - GHWB, Reagan, Carter and Ford - to tell them what he's just read in the PDB. Having heard the news, Bush Sr then tells Clinton to order the ARRB to meet with the FBI, the Department of Justice, and the National Archives, to figure out how to keep a lid on the whole thing. Clinton agrees and tells the whole gang that he'll keep them posted. I'm disappointed that the book doesn't tell us what Reagan's reaction was to the news, as I'm sure it was juicy.
Then I go back to the beginning of the book, and Trine Day publisher Kris Millegan has written
QuoteYes, some names have been changed, some dialogue recreated, and there is some conflation of characters and minor events. But the story is very real.
Did Kris lose some sort of a bet before he sent the final proofs off to the printers?
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Shane, have you and John Newman been communicating your recent discoveries about Veciana to each other? I gather JN looks quite closely at Veciana in his imminent volume 3, INTO THE STORM.
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Thanks Larry, I’ll have a look.
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I’m curious about the Mossad angle and will read Metta’s book when I can. Thomas Suarez’s recent STATE OF TERROR: HOW TERRORISM CREATED MODERN ISRAEL is probably the most academically respectable - though still controversial - study on how right-wing elements in Israel used Gladio-style tactics here and there to achieve various goals. Suarez dug into various archives and has a bunch of sympathetic academics giving his volume a good review. It’ll possibly be worthwhile to compare the timeline in that book with the stuff that Metta has dug up. I’d really like to learn more about what Harvey was up to over there through those years though. I asked Philip Willan, who wrote the Gladio study PUPPETMASTERS, if much new stuff had been dug up on Harvey over the past decade or two, and he said a little bit, but not much. Willan has been at work on a book about the Aldo Moro assassination for some years now, which has its own links to the Italian groups mentioned above, and he called it “the Mount Everest of Italian conspiracies..”
John Newman's new book now available
in JFK Assassination Debate
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From memory ARMAGEDDON is the Cuban Missile Crisis and somewhat beyond it, and from comments John made on Facebook I don't believe he hits the assassination until book 5. Which is frustrating but kind of okay if he's able to dig up a lot of new stuff relevant to the assassination. Six books would definitely be pushing things though.