Vince Palamara

Hi! The original version of this video was posted in 2013 and there were several national articles about Sam Kinney and this specific Gary Loucks story during the 50th anniversary that briefly created quite a splash. Loucks and Phyllis Hall (the Parkland Nurse who also came forward in 2013 and created a brief splash about a bullet she saw) both died earlier this year. What I find mighty strange is the fact that the AMAZON book hype makes one consider Landis book to be a LONE NUT book, yet the MEDIA book hype gives the polar opposite conclusion. One wonders if Landis saw either the Loucks story and/or the Hall story (he is very much familiar with me) and (perhaps as an extra- knowing they were now deceased) added the bullet detail at the eleventh hour to his book to sell massive quantities of his book in pre-order which is what the bullet story achieved. Before the media hype, the pre-sales were very modest. In fact, for a while I felt like I was the only person who knew about his upcoming book! I posted about it here months ago to very little fanfare, comments, or interest...now look!

Same here!

Thanks!

No, although JFK agents Tim McIntire (rode on the follow-up car), Tony Sherman, Larry Newman and Joe Paolella told ABC News on camera in December 1997 of their anger over Kennedy's private life.

1983, 1988 and 2010 (Blaine's book- Landis was interviewed and took part in the television documentary):

David, what do you think Landis' motive is? To sell books? My enthusiasm over his book is in the toilet and it isn't even released yet! What a difference a few days makes.

Secret Service Man Said JFK Was Shot from the Front (substack.com)

She died in April: Obituary | Phyllis J. Hall of Irving, Texas | Donnelly's Colonial Funeral Home (donnellyscolonial.com) Gary Loucks died in February: Gary Lee Loucks (1946-2023) - Find a Grave Memorial

The more I investigate this whole thing, the more skeptical I become. Just as Jean Hill embellished her account in her book THE LADY IN RED, perhaps to sell books and make her account more dramatic, I believe such is the case here. And, just like Jean Hill, the "good news" is that the core of their story is true- Jean Hill was definitely there and indicated a shot came from the knoll. Landis wrote in two reports that a shot came from the front, he verified their contents when the HSCA contacted him in early 1979 as they were writing the final report, and I want to believe his denouncement of the single bullet theory in 2016 (echoing Clint Hills own denouncement in the same year in his book FIVE PRESIDENTS) and his stating/demonstrating that the back of JFK's head was missing (also in 2016, again echoing Clint Hill) are both true. As for these 2023-vintage statements about the bullet- I don't believe it. I wanted to at first, but it falls apart upon deeper scrutiny. This whole thing almost reminds me of the Roscoe White story that broke in August 1990: everyone was so excited as Ricky White made the media rounds. Oh my Lord- there is a photo of his wife with Ruby! Wow- he was a Dallas police officer trainee. What?! He had the third backyard photo... But then, upon further scrutiny, the main part of his story fell to pieces- his father was the grassy knoll shooter as "proven" by a diary that no longer existed. Beverly Oliver said she saw Roscoe White on the knoll (yeah, right); Gerry Patrick Hemming said he knew Roscoe (suuuure he did)... Then Ricky disappeared and that was that. PREDICTION: Paul Landis is a no-show on 11/15/23 at the Duquesne University conference. It is one thing to field (prepared?) softball questions, but that audience will be rabid conspiracy folk with pointed hardball questions. I predict a Ricky White like disappearance.

From page 32 of my third book THE NOT-SO-SECRET SERVICE: (Sam [Kinney]believed there was a conspiracy and knew the back of JFK’s head was missing, corroboration for a shot from the front, as he had the piece in his hand and put in a phone patch aboard the C-130 to Dr. Burkley. What became of this specific fragment is a mystery. Sam’s grandchild contacted me, telling me that Sam’s wife Hazel believed LBJ was involved in JFK’s death!) From page 163 of my fourth book WHO'S WHO IN THE SECRET SERVICE: The author also attempted to get Kinney to go on the record in writing [after three telephonic interviews] but was too late. His widow Hazel informed the author that Sam passed away 7/21/97 while they were traveling through Iowa. Former agent Walt Coughlin wrote the author, “Sam Kinney was a hoot. One of my favorites.”

Obituary | Phyllis J. Hall of Irving, Texas | Donnelly's Colonial Funeral Home (donnellyscolonial.com)

My pleasure!

Hmmm- no. Loucks is dead and when he came out in 2013 to reveal his alleged conversation with Kinney that happened in 1986, Kinney had been dead since 1997.

I guess you can say I am floating between a DVP and VP stance on this specific issue (a whole bullet versus a fragment). That said, I put a lot of stock in his two Secret Service reports and his denouncement of the SBT; firm and established pre-2023 materials there. EDITED: also- his 2016 demonstration of the rear head wound-excellent

Another thing: unless I missed it and keep missing it, Landis doesn't mention his two reports and what they said (I am assuming he will in his book), but never seems to in interviews (unless I missed it somewhere [apart from the 2010 Blaine book]).

Hi, Jim! Oh, sorry about that- I really don't mean to come across as someone who is debunking Landis claim, per se. I am just posting a lot about it because a) it is fascinating b) it is my area of interest and c) Landis and/or the way the details are conveyed (by either himself or his co-author) seem to be all over the map. I am merely posting Blaine's book excerpt and Clint Hill's debunking Landis' claim as more grist for the mill. I myself do not necessarily endorse Landis or the debunkers. To be honest, I am in the middle; sort of talking out of both sides of my mouth on this specific issue (I admit it). I certainly WANT to believe Landis; that is a given. That said, there are (seemingly) troubling anomalies and contradictions to the past accounts. I am working on another author's book chapter (pro conspiracy book) about this, collecting every bit of data (articles, links, photos, etc.) I can muster. Landis is an enigma: his first two reports state that a shot came from the front (and he confirmed this to the HSCA in a very last-minute early 1979 outside contact "interview"), yet he changed his tune to Blaine in 2010 (unless Blaine/McCubbin editorially "massaged" the account to spin it their way...I am definitely an ardent critic of McCubbin, as you know) He doesn't believe the single bullet theory (he came out in 2016 about this), yet he believes Oswald acted alone...or he doesn't know what to believe any longer. ON CNN'S JAKE TAPPER JUST TODAY, he says the bullet was on an exam table, not the gurney/stretcher out in the hall...I am confused. The AMAZON book hype definitely gives the impression that his book is an LHO-did-it book, talking about where "conspiracy theorists get it wrong," yet, by virtue of his own reports (plural), HE was one of the first conspiracy proponents! The MEDIA book hype (numerous high-profile articles and tv appearances) give the impression that something is wrong in Denmark about the official story. The bullet went from fragments to fragments and what sounds like CE399...but it wasn't CE399. Landis book states he is the "final witness", but of course he is not-others spoke out and wrote books beforehand and several of these men and women are still among us (including Clint Hill, a good friend of Landis, who is now on the warpath---a real jihad---to debunk him). You have to admit- it is fascinating and confusing.

HAHAHAHA! Pat, what do you think about both Hill AND Landis choosing the exact same location for the JFK head wound? Also- even if the witnesses vary on whether it was LOWER rear of head or HIGHER rear of head, doesn't that still "say" that the back of the head was gone and/or the shot came from the front?

I definitely get where you are coming from but, due to the nature of WHO is saying it (a former JFK agent there in the motorcade), it is significant (even IF he is lying).

Correct!

NOTE THE LAST NAME----from the same area, too. This McCubbin was head of the uniformed division of the Service.

No mention of Clint:

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