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You can't argue with ole Thompson: He believes since his entrance into the debate (SIX SECONDS IN DALLAS c 1967) that the Zapruder film ( now stored in the National Archives) is genuine. It is not. It's a 18 million dollar piece of fabricated crap.
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IMO the best documentary about the RFK murder-case.
Quote, Y-Tube-Text of the video:
"The groundbreaking Golden Globe-nominated documentary about the RFK assassination by the late Ted Charach and Gerard Alcan"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjOjsOKS4gs
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And another Video
YT-Channel:Firing Line with William Buckley56.500 AbonnentenEpisode S0181, Recorded on April 11, 1975 Guest: Allard K. LowensteinLowenstein was shot to dead in his office five years after his brave appearance in Buckleys FIRING LINE Episode.Are judges watching y-tube? I hope so. -
Jack White was fooled by two "researchers": Gary Mack, who started as a CTer (in the shadows of the HSCA) and morphed (which White could not understand) into a staunch LNter as chief-gravedigger of the truth of the 6th Floor Mausoleum and John Armstrong, who made White a true believer in his HARVEY&LEE-sermon ... BTW: White survived an assassination attempt by a naked assassin, who tried to stab him to dead in his home in Dallas ...
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Some footage of the Oswald Lookalike detained the same hour Oswald was detained ... there was a big show in Forth Worth too that evening on Nov. 22.1963. (Not only in Dallas.)
Was Donald Wayne House acting as one of several Oswald doubles? Was he (unknowingly) a "track two" scapegot in case should anything "unscheduled" happend to Oswald? Donald Wayne House took the answer to his grave.
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BOT: Since Stone believes Judyth Vary Baker, is there some of her stuff in the Cannes Doku-Premiere?
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Prouty also claimed that he personaly knew the three IC-individuals which where responsible for the Powers hoax: The staged U-2 Crash on May 1st 1960 for the purpose to crash the Paris-summit and Ike's "Crusade for peace." He claimed he knew their names. But he never gave them.
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OT: I remember I ordered the book FINAL CHARADE back in 2001 in an Austrian book shop. It was listed in the computer as about to be published in a few weeks. A month later it disappeared from the computer. 20 years later, were is it? The book-project FINAL CHARADE is one of the most funny things in the JFK assassination mess.
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Regarding the coffin. I think the coffin with Kennedys remains was hijacked in front of the Bethesda Tower, as Hugh Clark described it in an interview with Brent Holland in THIS video at 23min54sec ... after the ambulance disappeared into the dark grounds of Bethesda, there was time enough for the conspirators to perform their first autopsy, which was rather a body stripping to blame Oswald. (No need to hijack the coffin in Dallas, for a secret tunnel and stuff like that ... IMO)
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On 11/27/2019 at 7:42 PM, James DiEugenio said:
Debra Conway says this was even worse than that.
I think this was when that goof Platzman was promoting her. Debra said it was pretty clear that it was scripted, and every once in awhile Anna lost her lines.
The whole thing is that Baker had nothing to corroborate her story at first. But her so-called Team at that time, I think it was Shackleford and Platzman and one other person, went out and tried to find something--anything. So this embarrassment was one of the results.
If I recall, this was before Haslam changed his mind about her. Carol Hewett was surprised that he did that. Carol, a good lawyer, worked on her case for Sixth Minutes. She recommended against it. But then somehow, some way, Haslam changed his mind on her.
Back in 2000 Shakelford, Platzman, Conway and Baker were close. Since Conway and Lifton had a book project called FINAL CHARADE, and Lifton was a early Judyth hater, Conway was in a fix. She sided with Lifton, but they never published their book FINAL CHARADE while Judyth published her book, despite all the obstacles a bunch of Judyth haters throw her in the way ...
NOLA January 2000. Platzman, JVB, Conway, Shakelford, Anna Lewis in 2000 ...
Quote from -- that -- side:
In early January 2000, Debra Conway (owner and co-founder of JFK Lancer) volunteered to video-tape Anna Lewis in New Orleans. In the videotape, Anna said that she and her husband David Lewis had socialized frequently with Judy Baker and Lee Oswald in New Orleans in the Summer of 1963, including a visit to The Five Hundred Club, where they met with Carlos Marcello. Anna stressed that she thought Judy and Lee were lovers at that time. Anna's filmed testimony was witnessed by Anna's daughter Sondra, Dr. Joseph Riehl, Dr. Howard Platzman, historian Martin Shackelford, Judyth Baker, and Debra Conway who asked Anna questions as she filmed her.
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3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
I've ignored her story as preposterous from what I've read of it.
@Ron Bulman. You are right. To ignore her, is the only way to get around her ... 🙂
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9 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
I would counter Shackleford with this recent work by Walt Brown....anyone championing Judyth and her story should give it a read.
I have the Walt Brown book. It is a complete and IMO deliberate distortion of JVB's complex account ...
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@D. Josephs: @Anna Lewis Interview ... "1962" ..."1963" ... that we call a lapse ... you can't disprove anything because of a lapse ... cheap to do so, isn't it? Fact is: There are hundreds of rebuttals regarding HARVEY AND LEE or RECLAIMING HISTRORY, and not a single one (except some, dealing with minor errors, but errare humanum est) regarding ME AND LEE out there in the www. You know, why? JVB was in NOLA in the summer of 63 ... and her critics were not.
BTW: When you dump JVB you dump Haslam too. They are in the same boat.
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To shift all those repetitive and tiring H&L Topics (about 10 or more) to a subforum would unburden the JFK assassination debate forum a lot, IMO... everyone who is obsessed with H&L could go there for endless debates ...
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"HARVEY AND LEE" and the "Oswald in NOLA eyewitness" Judyth Vary Baker book "ME AND LEE" are not compatible. That's why Armstrong is refusing to meet Baker to discus the subject. (James Files, the Steven Louis Wittt of the grassy knoll, as I call him, also refuses to meet Baker ...
Read how Baker dismantles some of Armstrongs claims brought forward by Athe late Armstrong-Fan Jack White:
QuoteQuote, Ed Forum "Judyth Baker in Exile" Threat, page 47, posted by James Fetzer on this forum:
March 28, 2010 (edited)QUOTE::
The numbered sentences are from Jack White (Me: HARVEY AND LEE was the conspiracy bible of that late JFK Researcher Jack White), JV Bakers responses are in bold and unnumbered.1. With her family's knowledge, Marguerite took Lee to New York for "mental testing".
'FAMILY KNOWLEDGE'? WE HAVE JOHN PIC'S SHOCK THAT MARGUERITE SHOWS UP WITH
LEE AND SEEMS TO WANT TO STAY. MARGUERITE ELSEWHERE GIVES A MULTITUDE OF
REASONS WHY THEY WENT TO NEW YORK, ESPECIALLY WANTING LEE TO BE NEAR HIS
BROTHER.2. The mental testing turned out to be a CIA operation to look for candidates to LEND
THEIR IDENTITY TO THE CIA for a FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.==THE "MENTAL TESTING" OCCURRED AT A YOUTH HOUSE, WHERE LEE WENT ONLY
AFTER MANY MONTHS OF TRUANCY. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT LEE DIDN'T ORIGINALLY GO
TO NEW YORK FOR TESTING.==3. Marguerite, Robert and John Pic all considered this PATRIOTIC.
WHERE DO THEY SAY THAT TESTING LEE OSWALD IN A FACILITY FOR JUVENILE
DELINQUENTS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PATRIOTISM? QUOTES, PLEASE.4. There was NO RISK to Lee; all he was doing was allowing his identity to be used.
CITATIONS, PLEASE. FROM ANY SOURCE BUT WHITE AND ARMSTRONG.
5. This happened when Lee was 12 or 13 years old; he probably liked the intrigue of it...
his name being used by a spy being trained.WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO LEE IS ALMOST AS EXCITING AS WHAT HAS
BEEN MADE UP HERE. HOW DID JOHN ARMSTRONG MISS CHARLES THOMAS?
PERHAPS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SPEND NEARLY THREE YEARS SEARCHING FOR A
GERMAN-ACCENT CUSTOMS AGENT FROM NEW YORK WHO HAD ONCE LIVED IN MIAMI,
HAD TATTOOS ON HIS FINGERS, SPOKE FLUENT SPANISH, AND WAS MARRIED TO A
CHITIMACHA INDIAN WOMAN. WHO HAD PLENTY OF GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT
LEE IN NEW YORK, SOME OF WHICH I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVE OCCURRED.6. Marguerite likely received much needed compensation for doing this.
HOW LIKELY IS THAT? ARMSTRONG ALSO SAYS SHE SOLD HER HOUSE IN 1952.
7. Armstrong documents how when Marguerite returns to Fort Worth, she began
buying real estate, though said to be destitute.SHE SOLD HER HOME IN 1952 AND OTHER THINGS OCCURRED, WHICH I CAN EXPLAIN.
8. John Pic was first to say that there was a substitute for his half brother. A photo
of Harvey playing hookey at the Bronx Zoo during the New York stay Pic said was
not anyone he recognized.I HAVE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED THAT HE PHENOTYPE IS OSWALD. THE STRONG FAMILY
RESEMBLANCE IS UNMISTAKABLE. IF PIC COULD NOT RECOGNIZE THE PHOTO, WE MUST
NOTE THAT THE PHOTO ITSELF HAS BLACK SPOTS ON IT AROUND THE NOSE AND EYES,
WHICH DO NOT BELONG THERE.9. Robert knew of the operation from the beginning, but did not meet HARVEY
until the Thanksgiving Reunion.WHO TOLD HIM TO STAY MUM ABOUT 'HARVEY' WHEN 'HARVEY' SHOWED UP FROM RUSSIA? T
THE US GOVERNMENT? WHEN? BEFORE 'HARVEY' ARRIVED? WHAT ABOUT THE PHOTOS ON THE
WALL SHOWING BOTH 'LEE' AND 'HARVEY'? WHEN WAS ROBERT TOLD? WHO GAVE ROBERT THE
IMPERIAL REFLEX CAMERA BEFORE 'LEE' WENT TO RUSSIA?IT'S TIME FOR A DNA TEST, PEOPLE. THIS IS TOO MUCH. WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO MARGUERITES
-- ONE OF WHOM VANISHES FOREVER. ARMSTRONG IS RELYING ON RECORDS WHEN LEE TOLD
ME PLAINLY THAT SOME RECORDS ABOUT HIM HAD BEEN FAKED. YOU MUST NEVER BELIEVE
EVERY RECORD YOU FIND ABOUT A FAKE DEFECTOR. LEE SAID HE HAD A WAY TO 'SLIP BACK
INTO SOCIETY' AS IF HE HAD NEVER LEFT DUE TO ALTERED RECORDS, SO HE COULD HAVE A
NORMAL LIFE AFTER HE LEFT THE AGENCY. HE TRIED TO LEAVE--THEY SAID HE COULD LEAVE
AFTER CHRISTMAS, 1963. THEY KEPT HIM HOPING. YOU CAN EVEN SEE [HIS OPTIMISM IN]
THAT IN THE THANKSGIVING MOVIE PHOTOS -- OR CORRECT ME, IF I AM WRONG, PLEASE.10. Lee and Harvey clearly knew each other according to Armstrong's time lines.
OF COURSE THEY DID. THEY WERE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.
11. Ruth Paine was clearly the handler for both Lee and Harvey, and both of them
were involved in the JFK plot, though not witting that Harvey was to be the PATSY.RUTH PAINE'S HOSTILITY TOWARD LEE COULD NOT BE MORE OBVIOUS. WHEN HE CALLED FROM
JAIL ASKING HER TO CONTACT A LAWYER -- JOHN ABT OF NEW YORK -- FOR HIM, SHE FAILED
TO DO SO. SHE HAS CIA WRITTEN ALL OVER HER. WHAT SHE DID THE NIGHT OF NOV. 21 IS
TRULY SUSPICIOUS AND I HOPE TO ALERT EVERYONE TO READ HER ACCOUNT OF THAT NIGHT
VERY CAREFULLY.SHE ALSO FOOLED LEE INTO THINKING SHE WAS GOING TO STAY WITH HIS WIFE WHEN MARINA
HAD HER SECOND CHILD, THEN JUST DROPPED POOR MARINA AT THE HOSPITAL AND RETURNED.
INFURIATING LEE WHO HAD STAYED BEHIND TO WATCH HER CHILDREN AND HIS DAUGHTER. HE
REFUSED TO SPEAK TO HER AND PRETENDED HE WAS ASLEEP WHEN HE HEARD HER CALL AND
FOUND OUT MARINA WAS OK AND HAD DELIVERED HER BABY ONLY AN HOUR OR SO AFTER BEING
DROPPED OFF TO HAVE THE BABY WITHOUT ANY RUSSIAN-SPEAKING PERSON PRESENT. THE
PAINES DID NOT CARE ONE HOOT ABOUT LEE, EITHER. HE WAS THEIR ASSIGNMENT. PERIOD.12. It was arranged that Harvey lived in a rooming house during the week, while
Lee lived at the Paine house.THIS IS THE MOST ABSURD OF ALL, AS LEE LOVED TO PLAY WITH THE KIDS THERE AND NEXT DOOR
AND THEY LOOKED FORWARD TO HIS VISITS. SO THEY BOTH SHARE MARINA, RIGHT?13. Lee lived at the Paine house on weekends only; it is not known where Lee
lived on weekends.BECAUSE HE WAS LEE H. OSWALD.
14. It should be remembered that Marina said: I HAD TWO HUSBANDS, HARVEY
AND LEE.==SHE MEANT THAT THE WAY RUSSIANS ALWAYS SPEAK. A STUDY OF LINGUISTICS AND CULTURAL
ANTHROPOLOGY WOULD HELP A GREAT DEAL HERE. ONE MAN WAS A SPY, THE OTHER HER "WORKMAN
HUSBAND" WHO WAS A 'BOOKWORM' (HER WORDS). THE BAD JOB DONE ON LEE BY THE MORTICIAN
INCLUDED NOT INJECTING ENOUGH EMBALMING FLUID IN THE FACE, PUTTING ON TOO MUCH MAKEUP,
AND SEWING HIS LIPS TOO TIGHT. THE AUTOPSY PHOTOS ARE CLEARLY LEE.POOR MARINA WAS IMPOSED UPON TO OPEN THE GRAVE AND HAVE HIM EXHUMED BECAUSE THE SCAR
LEE HAD HIDDEN UNDER HIS EAR TO HIDE HIS MASTOID OPERATION WAS NOT IN HE AUTOPSY. SURE
ENOUGH, THEY FOUND THE MASTOID BONE PROCESS BLUNTED BY HE OPERATION AND THE INFECTIONS.
THERE'S MORE, BUT THAT'S ENOUGH FOR NOW.==(“I had two husbands: Lee, the father of my children, an affectionate and kind man;
and Harvey Oswald, the assassin of President Kennedy.”)BECAUSE LEE'S ENEMIES PRESENTED TO HER A DICHOTOMOUS IMAGE. SHE KNEW THAT LEE WAS AN
AFFECTIONATE AND KIND MAN -- HE HAD STOPPED MISTREATING HER AND WAS DECENT TO HER, EVEN
THOUGH HE ULTIMATELY PLANNED TO DIVORCE HER. HE LEFT HIS WEDDING RING BEHIND -- FOR GOOD
REASON, IF HE GOT OUT ALIVE, WE WOULD HAVE MET IN MEXICO....MARINA SAID YEARS LATER SHE HAD BEEN PRESENTED MUCH FALSE INFORMATION AND HAD BEEN
PERSUADED THAT HER HUSBAND WAS THE ASSASSIN. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT MARINA OSWALD
WAS SLEEPING WITH TWO SEPARATE MEN. LET'S SEE THE LIST [ACCORDING TO JOHN ARMSTRONG]:1) TWO MARGUERITES -- ONE VANISHES
2) TWO OSWALDS -- ONE VANISHES
3) ROBERT OSWALD KNOWS BUT NEVER TELLS
4) RUTH PAINE KNOWS BUT NEVER TELLS HER SHE HATES ALL THAT LAUNDRY IN HER SMALL HOME
WHERE 'LEE' MUST SLEEP ON THE COUCH OR WITH MARINA ALL WEEK!5) MICHAEL PAINE ALSO KNOWS BUT DOESN'T TELL
7) DO WE EVER HAVE ANOTHER CASE OF A SPY "DUAL PAIR" IDENTITY FROM CHILDHOOD KNOWN IN
THE RECORDS LATER THAN LEE OSWALD "LEE" AND "HARVEY"?😎 WHY HASN'T A SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED IN THIS COMPLEX SCENARIO EVER LEAKED A WORD?
THEY'RE STILL ALIVE, TOO. DID ARMSTRONG EVER ASK ANY OF THEM, FACE TO FACE? CAN WE SEE
THOSE INTERVIEWS WHERE HE ASKED THEM?(...)
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BTW: There is a whole sub-forum devoted to HARVEY AND LEE at ROCK.
And a FB page dealing with that book.
Enough is enough? I think so.
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From another thread of this forum dealing with HARVEY AND LEE. (I think there are about ten threads dealing with that book ...
QuoteLee Harvey Oswald’s closest English-speaking friend when Oswald lived in Minsk, then part of the Soviet Union, from 1959-1962.
“Erich [Ernst Titovets]…is my oldest existing acquaintance…a friend of mine who speaks English very well …” as Oswald would put it in his Historic Diary.
In his book Oswald: Russian Episode, Dr. Ernst Titovets investigates the Russian period of life and activity of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Excerpts of a blogpost. of JOHN DELANE WILLIAMS:
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Did Oswald Speak in Russian while Living in the Soviet Union?
John Delane Williams and Ernst Titovets
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When Titovets learned that Armstrong stated that Oswald spoke no Russian while in the Soviet Union, [18] Titovets was amazed. Titovets stated, “It was a cause of genuine surprise on the part of my old friend Vyacheslav Stelmakh, Ph.D., a senior researcher at the Belorussian State University who knew Oswald at the Radio Plant and was also friends with Oswald’s first love Ella German, when I told him a researcher in the States doubts the fact that Oswald spoke Russian. There are still many Russians here in Minsk who would confirm the fact.”
()Ernst Titovets apparently decided to read Harvey and Lee for himself, presumably to answer the question, how did Armstrong conclude that Oswald spoke no Russian in Russia? Titovets then sent me an e-mail [35] addressing only those portions of Armstrong’s book that pertained to Oswald’s being in Russia and only those portions that was familiar to Titovets.
TITOVETS VS ARMSTRONG (The Armstrong quotes are from HARVEY AND LEE)
Armstrong:”I wanted to be sure I understood her answer and said, “Ana you knew Oswald from the time he arrived in Minsk until the day he and Marina left for the United States. You and your parents accompanied them to the train station and took photographs (published in the Warren Volumes). During that time he never spoke any Russian, even up to the day he left Minsk?” Ana, once again replied, “No,-not a word. My father always interpreted for him-he was the only person in the family who spoke English…” (p. 288)…“An English-speaking medical student, Erich (Ernst) Titovets, first met Oswald at the Hotel Minsk and later was a regular visitor to his apartment.” (p. 289).
Titovets: Actually, I met Oswald not at the Hotel Minsk, but at the Zigers' apartment. It was in the presence of the whole family: Alexander Ziger, his wife Signora Anna and his two daughters, Anita, and Eleanora. Oswald spoke Russian and there was no need to interpret for him-
Armstrong: “At the factory Oswald met another person who spoke English. Pavel Golovachev, the son of a famous Soviet Air Force General…After Pavel and Oswald began spending a lot of time together the KGB asked him to report on Oswald’s activities. He dutifully informed of his contacts with Oswald and kept them apprised of his movements.” (p. 289).
Titovets: Pavel Golovachev did not speak English at all. Once he confided in me that he wished he did and he was sorry he did not speak the language.
Armstrong “On October 18 [1960] Lee Harvey Oswald celebrated his 21st birthday. Ella Germann, a girl from the Horizon factory who Oswald had been dating the past two months, and spoke very good English, attended a small birthday party at his apartment.”(p. 311).
Titovets: Ella Germann did not speak English at all.
Armstrong:”It is clear that Marina associated with Americans, spoke English with Webster and almost certainly spoke English with Oswald… Marina’s ability to read, write, and speak English fluently before she left Russia is indisputable.” (p. 340).
Titovets: Marina did not speak English at all. It would be really surprising if she would have spoken English with Oswald and completely ignored me even when the three of us were together.
Armstrong : “When Oswald and Marina met, danced, and agreed to a date the following Friday they spoke a common language. Was it Russian or English? The HSCA asked Marina, ‘At the time were you speaking Russian together?’ She answered, ‘Yes. He spoke with an accent so I assumed he was from another state.’ Oswald came in contact with hundreds of people in Russia, but Marina is the only person-THE ONLY PERSON who said that he spoke Russian while in Russia.” (p. 334).
Titovets: Armstrong is right about there were so many people who met Oswald in Minsk. There are still many living who would have testified to the fact that Oswald spoke Russian to them.
In the book Oswald: Russian Episode one can find an illustration with Oswald’s longhand in Russian on the inside cover of a book where Oswald contemplates the names for his future child. Incidentally, Oswald signed his writings.
When a date-line does not fit Armstrong’s he dismisses it as an error and suggests his “correct” one. To give an example:
Armstrong: “NOTE: We will soon see the date of March 17 is in error.” (p. 333).
Titovets: It is the night at the Trade Union Palace when Oswald first met Marina Prussokova. The date of March 17, 1961 is correct.
Two recent interviews were conducted by Ernst Titovets with persons who had known Oswald when Oswald was living in Minsk. The first interview was with a neurologist Dr. Alexander Mastykin, MD., Ph.D. on March 20, 2013. Mastykin was a medical student at the time he met Oswald. Mastykin was learning Spanish and practiced the language at the Spanish-speaking Zigers family. He knew Anita Zigers very well.
Titovets: Did Anita Ziger speak English at the time she knew Oswald?
Mastykin: I never heard a single English word ever drop from her lips!
Titovets: John Armstrong wrote a book Harvey and Lee and there, according to John Armstrong, Anita would say to him in an interview that Oswald did not speak Russian at all while he was in Minsk.
Mastykin: It would be Anita all over! I wouldn’t put it past her that she might well invent things and say anything on the spur of the moment, unnecessary true, just for kicks. It might well depend on her mood, how she was approached and if the question was a suggestive one.
Titovets: Did Oswald speak Russian?
Mastykin: To say the truth there was not much love lost between the two of us; I mostly tried to steer away from him. I did not speak English while Oswald did not speak Spanish so it was Russians on those rare occasions when we happened to meet.
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The second interview was with Vladimir Zhidovich, a leading engineer at the Radio and Cosmic Technologies Department of the Bylorussian State University in Minsk. This interview took place on March 19, 2013. Zhidovich worked together with Oswald at the same shop in the Radio Plant in Minsk.
Titovets: Vladimir, do you know English?
Zhidovich: No, I do not. Why ask? You know that I don’t speak the language!
Titovets: Never mind. I’ll tell you later. Just answer my questions! Did Oswald speak Russian?
Zhidovitch: Russian was the only language we could communicate with him. He was not a talkative person and his Russian needed much brushing up. But he understood most [of] what he was told to and reacted accordingly.
Titovets: Did anyone at the Radio Plant speak English to him?
Zhidovitch: No way! Nobody knew English around [there] and I never heard anybody speaking English to Oswald at work. Even Stanislav Shushkevich, when he happened to drop over on business to the shop, spoke Russian to him. Now, tell me what’s this all about?
Titovets: A John Armstrong in his book Harvey and Lee insists that Oswald did not speak Russian while those around him spoke mainly English. We both know perfectly well that Oswald did speak Russian and I just wanted to hear it from you to oblige an American friend and researcher who wants to check the fact.
Zhidovitch: First I thought it was some kind of trick question. Of course Oswald did speak Russian!
Now go to page 288 of HARVEY AND LEE, quote:
Quote HARVEY AND LEE: p. 288 It is clear that Oswald understood and spoke Russian prior his arrival in Moscow, although the extent of his proficiency remains unknown. It is also clear that after
he arrived in the Soviet Union, he dared not let anyone know that he spoke Russian, especially the people with whom he spent the most time, the Zigers, who he probably assumed were report into the KGB.Close quote
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@David Josephs: At last your Huston pic shows a lot of motorcycles flanking the limo ... had you read my post, than you would know, that my claim is, that it was a combination of deliberate security flaws which lead to the "siting duck" situation.
-- No motorcycles beside the limo
-- Two secret service men recalled at Love field, therefore no SS men on beack of the limo
-- Stand clear of the Limo
-- No additional security provided by the sheriffs in Dallas and army Intelligence
-- Low speed at Elm
--And last but not least : Breaking the Motorcade into three pieces, Elm, Huston and Main, so that the motorcade participants at one piece can not see what is happening at the other piece ... especially the front piece with the Pres. Limo and the Queen Mary, the kill zone ...
BTW Your pic is a highway pic ... where the motorcade travels with higher speed ... and each driver is supposed to stand clear of the car in front of him on a highway ... you and me too ... posting a low speed Huston down-town pic of the Huston Motorcade would have been more fair and appropriate ...
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There are already six other treads dealing with that particular book HARVEY AND LEE
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/12175-donation-of-harvey-and-lee/
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/18963-harvey-and-lee/
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22928-my-review-of-john-armstrongs-harvey-and-lee/
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/6924-john-armstrong-hold-the-harvey-and-lee/
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24454-pdf-harvey-and-lee-cd-rom-john-armstrong/
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23677-a-couple-of-real-gems-from-the-harvey-and-lee-website/
Plus the "Judyth Vary Baker in Exile" tread, where James Fetzer and Judyth Baker are showing some flaws of that book ...
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/15559-judyth-vary-baker-living-in-exile/
Why another thread about HARVEY AND LEE?
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Robert Weldon Hargis, the southernmost motorcycle cop at the rear of the pres. limo, was of the opinion, Greer hit the breaks to make it easier for the SS men to jump onto the limo to do their job ... but nobody jumped ... and a second later Hargis was hit in the face with bone fragments, blood and brain-matter, that he thought he was hit too ...
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I consider James Files a trained Disinformant. Maybe he is the only jailed person on earth who was paroled after confessing a murder. Files was a "gift-pill" for Wim Dankbaar. This otherwise respectable JFK researcher bought the Files-Tale 100 Percent. Files is a IC creation to muddy the waters ... The Louis Steven Witt of the grassy knoll. Or another Roscoe White ... to put him on trial would be a lose lose situation for the prosecution: If the verdict is guilty, that means conspiracy. If the verdict is not guilty, that means Files is what he is: A fraud ... and the prosecution would appear kinda gullible and naive to take this man seriously.
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Last year, @William Plumlee revealed, after receiving the consent of St. John Hunt, that Howard Hunt was a passenger on the plane in which Tosh William Plumlee arrived in Dallas on the morning of the assassination, as a member of an assassination abort team.
Marita Lorenz, who died recently, testified, she saw Howard Hunt in Dallas the day before the assassination. Whom should we believe? Plumlee or Lorenz?
Quote, Spartacus Educational, Marita Lorenz:
Marita Lorenz gave sworn testimony that Lee Harvey Oswald, American mercenaries Frank Sturgis and Gerry Patrick Hemming, and Cuban exiles including Orlando Bosch, Pedro Diaz Lanz, and the brothers Guillermo and Ignacio Novo Sampol, had met one November midnight in 1963 at the Miami home of Orlando Bosch and had studied Dallas street maps. She also swore that she and Sturgis were at that time in the employ of the CIA and that they received payment from Howard Hunt under the name "Eduardo," … They arrived in Dallas on 21 November 1963, and stayed at a motel, where the group met Howard Hunt. Hunt stayed for about forty-five minutes and at one point handed an envelope of cash to Sturgis. About an hour after Hunt left, Jack Ruby came to the door. Lorenz says that this was the first time she had seen Ruby. By this time, she said, it was early evening.
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Plus: The four Motorcycle Cops Hargis, Chaney, Jackson and Martin were told to ride behind the Limo ...
Plus: The Dallas Sheriffs were told not to participate in the security of the motorcade ...
Plus: Colonel Reichs 112th Army intelligence men were told, they would not provide additional security for the motorcade in Dallas ...
Plus: At the last second Secret Service agents Henry Rybka and Don Lawton were recalled at Love Field by fellow agent Emory Roberts
And plus, my guess: The driver of the Johnson car was told to stand clear of the Queen Mary and the Presidential Limo, plus William Greer, driver of the Pres. Limo was told to stand clear of the Lead Car (with Curry, Lawson, Decker and Sorrels in it.)
Effect: In that particular motorcade Kennedy was presented to his killers like a sitting duck ...
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@John Butler. Thx for the info .. ... ... It is my understanding, that there were several Oswald doubles around that days in Dallas, and nobody can say if the Cargo plane double was the Texas Theater double ... . it is therefore one of those interesting story's surroundings the assassination where one can see the fingerprints of intelligence, leading to nowhere ... as intended by the plotters, I guess ...
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Oswald at the age 79? No, it is Donald Wayne House. As far as I know he was never interviewed by any JFK ass. researcher ...