Bernice Moore

Lee & Don :

On Wed , late during the evening, I made this same short post to you both.....re the Country Records Building, and a possible different trajectory......

I was not the only that saw the post, so I do know I have not lost the marbles, as yet.... and it was commented to me that they had never seen the photo

previously...some time later the next day by email.........When I and the other person, came back to the F , Thurs, and checked the post was gone, and still is, ??

Yes, it was posted, yes others saw it, and yes I even edited it and added about the trees, and yes it was still there, after ......so all I can assume is that for some reason it

was deleted, or a finger slipped ???????? seeing as I did not use invisible ink.......So for whatever it is worth, which now I do ponder..??

Here it is again, and will check back to see if it has become invisible a second time....

This is from the Shaw & Harris research, done before 1976......Possible different trajectories .

This is from the left corner of the roof.....a missed shot......It also does show the height of the trees at the time. As these photo were taken that day...

Also keeping in mind that DPD Weatherford as well as another who was with him ,was said to be stationed on that roof, with rifles........the photos are by Jim Murray as far as I know...

Also they found within their research the possibility that a second shot, the first missing, and hitting the cement sewer apron, shown in the photos......

The ....second shot being taken from the right hand corner of the roof, and could possibly have been the one that hit Gov Connally....

FWIW......

B......

Hi Bernice.

Here's a nice color scan i did of your image ( Groden )

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Hi Robin;

Very appreciated..that is a grand view...........

Is this within Groden's book, ? if so does he mentioned anything further, or about the

Shaw & Harris...research..... would you know....?

That certainly was taken that day, and also did not come from the TSBD.....but buried of course

as so much else was.....shame....

Thank you.....and nice to know the Gremlin did not re-appear.....

B.....

Here also are the reports, findings on the BDMN.......

It states the BDMN had the same colouring as Marilyn Sitzman.....when compared,

that the BDMN was human, FWTAW....

HSCA Report, Volume VI

Current Section: ( The grassy knoll

Begins at page 122

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=128

Or the History Matters

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol6_0064b.htm

Or see below....which for some reason posted from bottom to top.....??

B..

Bernice...she is facing west, and the baby is on her right hip. The foot is

pointing the correct direction. But thanks for pointing out the seeming oddity.

I am more concerned that the man has NO FEET.

Jack

Thanks Jack, should we not be able to see a part of her face, we have been trying it

nothing new, and no matter how we turn we are able too see an outline of such...??

Does it appear to you, that the outline of the top front of her hair appears fair ?? Or it could be the suns reflection......

I had not even looked at the man up till now, you are correct where are his feet..??

Also here is another Darnell frame, showing he has no feet ?? But more of the bench..

All......

Now this woman is seen in Darnell, after the assn, a baby was never mentioned ever,

in any of the past research, now a question, who is to say this is the woman with a baby

who was on the bench ??? Even though a baby has never been mentioned till now....??

If there ever was one...??

Also keeping mind the age differences mentioned by Hudson & Sitzman....of the people

involved..

Simply because she is now seen within the Darnell taken after the assn....and possibly

in front of the TSBD...?...whether one agrees it or not, there are many questions yet to be clarified....and no documentation.....

That is one problem, another is that Marilyn Sitzman, was interviewed after the BDMN was found.

as well as the Nix wall shooter......I have read..

She never gave a statement, she did say that no one asked or was interested, in what a young woman had to say, which does not comply as many other young woman did....Marilyn said many things that did contradict her own statements down through her years...so I do regard her information with a question mark..?....

..All of a sudden after these two characters were discovered, she is interviewed by Tink and she recalls a couple on the bench, ok giving her the benefit of the doubt she may have....or ????

In her remarks I believe she says they each had small bags with their lunch within, if you look at the photo of the Dets on the bench, examining such, it appears to be one bag and I do believe it mentions the trade name on the small bag...

So, coming around again, how do we know, that a couple who was not reported to be there till some years later, who finally recalled this couple, and a baby that was never mentioned as well as a difference in ages........and how do we know who left the lunch bag, this photo was taken some time after, could not someone who had run up to the knoll after have left such......?? Also the bag seen in the Darnell on the bench is a very tall large bag, I believe Marilyn said they were small...?? I am looking for the DPD report on the bag..was this report and photo released before, or after the M.S interview in which she mentioned a couple.....??

Also if you read Hudson's information he states that this man who sat down on his left before the motorcade tuned the corner and came down, told him to the effect he could not find a parking spot, and so he had parked over there in one of the parking areas, and that he then walked up.....Up where, ??

Did he park in behind the TSBD parking lot, or elsewhere......over there....and did he walk down to the corner the and up Elm to where Hudson sat......?? That also is a possible....

There are many shade differences within the different types of films used, as well as the colour, that is a given..

Seen below is the no foot man, he has a hard time with such it would appear.. and as seen in a couple of frames from Muchmore.....his pants appear to be a tighter fit as well, as that he does at times have feet..

B...

""Past requests for access to these materials had all been refused by a committee of loyalists that included one of JFK's closest advisers, speechwriter Ted Sorensen. To my surprise, the committee had given me the chance to read the files; I had to agree not to photocopy them but was free to take notes or read passages into a tape recorder."" Dallek

Bill:

From his notes, ??????? That perhaps could lead to the , not documented nor verified, pertaining to the information within said notes......So this is just on his take, of what he says he read..........People are not quite that gullible, Dallek.

The public did not know of what I regard as Bush's "Off the wall " mentality, let alone his past addictions, and behaviour...... Whom I notice Dallek does not mention...??

IMO this is more of the same old "knives out " which does pop up with some regularity..

This does not have anything to do with the "slaughter" of JFK....

B.....

Thanks Bernice.

I welcome the information you provided, it's helps keep me honest.

Keep in mind, that this is only a "THEORY" at this stage.

NOTHING IS SET IN STONE.

I am not sugesting for one moment that this is the last word in the BDM saga.

I think it's healthy to put forward "NEW" theories every now and then, helps shake up the " OLD TIMERS " from there hybernation. LOL

Hi Robin :

I fully understand it is not a given at the present time, and all must be considered.I believe it is best IMO..that we combine the two....old and anything new is as always, interesting...

New eyes and info is always, and has been appreciated..and thank heavens there is new input and a younger generation that have become interested........I have no problems ever with such...

And if after further deeply researched,within the information that is accessible and past studies reviewed, with the whomevers input, a positive comes out from within.....that is great........imo......and Working together is so welcomed....and this is what I am seeing...kudos..to all....

It is as you say always healthy....Well....it shakes all up, new, mid and older...anything in this regard

always appears to be so interesting, we all, I do believe thirst in some way for any possibilty of what may be seen as a break through within the realm.....

"It has always taken a village."....and will continue to do so...

Ron : Re Bill Miller's input, I cannnot recall, hopefully he shall....contribute.....

If you look at the tree in the shade, that specific area, the BDM appears even darker than the shade ?? Have a look and see what you think....

Now Lee for you and all......

Something new I have noticed, and have cropped and enlarged the lady, within the Darnell frame,

somewhat.........

Now, please all have a look, if you will........As to me after trying to make some sense of this.......

It appears at this time to me , that her foot, appears to be possibly on backwards to the rest of her body,...????

Also if that is her face on the left, which is hard to make out, then her foot is on the back of her body ?????

If not, and her right side is her front, her head position seems impossible, or could be

to her body stance..........

Jack, Robin, all please have a look, and post your thoughts..........

Thanks much.....

B....

""Hey Bernice - I had some similar thoughts. I think Robin is on the right track. The woman in the Darnell seems without a doubt the same as the one seen in the Murray - the only notable exception is the lighter colored sweater. There could be a simple explanation - she had the sweater off at 12:30, and redonned it when they left the area of the bench.

On the sweater on the man - it appears to be differently shaded or colored depending upon what you are looking at - much like Hudson's shirt - esp when compared to the Towner.

On Sitzman - doesn't seem so open and shut. Especially when one is dealing with a child. The man could have come running up the stairs, grabbed the child while she gathered up her things, and then they could have moved off. If she is BDM - and I still think it has a lot of merit - esp given the dark color of the shirt she appears to have been wearing sans the light sweater we see her in later - she would in all likelihood NOT been seated on the bench at the time of the arrival of the motorcade? The bench would be convenient to take care of the child - until the big event.

I like it. I tried my best to enhance the highest quality Willis I have to see if there was anything better I could so - it's simply not happening. And mine is pretty good. For fun, a look at the Moorman, with the man on the stairs to provide some sort of scale.

- lee ""

Hi Lee:

I do not know if Robin is on the right track...

That she had a sweater off in one photo and on in another is a thought, but nothing more......

Yes of course the mans sweater appears to be lighter on the steps and darker in the Darnell as I stated, because he is in the shade, .......and also keeping in mind, the sun lit wall area, as Jack mentioned the BDM is all dark, she appears in light clothing...which also does not comply...with showing up in a sun lit area.....

.....I doubt any Mom would place a child some months old on a bench by itself, that distance away from the wall, it appears to have been a few feet, they are very active and quick at that age, and if they turn. which they also do in their sleep,.......then the child could have fallen, so I cannot see that happening...I know I would never have done so....and would have reamed a daughter or daughter in law for doing the same...

......Sitzman states they were there when they climbed up on the pedestal and there during and she saw them rise from the bench and take off, after the head shot, as the limo was going under the underpass....throwing down their bottles

....She mentions nothing of either one being alone dashing back to the bench, or picking up a child off a bench or him or her running to each other...

She would have been looking about straight at them in that direction, and would have seen and so she says saw their actions......So I have many questions as yet......and no conclusions on my part......and Marilyn says she saw them there before the motorcade, so it would appear if so, she had lots of time to have a good look at them....Also Hudson stated he was in his late 20's thereabouts, and M.S says they were kids in around 18 ish

Thanks for the Willis, I did check with the Moorman earlier, and they are about the scale, but not positive.....This needs much more reseach imo..as it does not comply with what we do know and have known within the past research by many of the photo diggers, as I call them and some experts as well..........so I am not about to throw that out until checked into much further..as that is what would have to happen..

It also appears to me, just my own impression, that the young man on the steps in these scans of him, what have been posted in this thread, appears to be possibly seen as a darker completion, than could be shown in earlier versions...of the same photos....??

.....But that needs also to be delved into and looked at....Also I believe someone, Bill mentioned that the photos had not been searched as yet for the possibility that she was elsewhere along the parade route, so I do think there is much further work to be done within before any conclusion can be assertained....

Thanks for the come back....

Take care B.....

Robin :

A few thoughts......

Why would the woman's sweater appear to be very dark in the Darnell frame, yet very light in the

Murray in front of the TSBD.....The man you are comparing appears to be wearing a light sweater

on the steps, and still appears light in the Darnell frame.........

Also it would appear that the wall area was in bright sunlight, which would mean that

the front of the bench wall area..where the BDMN was caught on camera was also..The shade from the tree appears not to have reached that far as yet, also seen within some of the other photos taken, Moorman,Willis, Bond and such....

Emmett Hudson stated.....

Page 559

Mr. LIEBELER. So, you were standing about where I placed the "X" on

photograph No. 18 of Commission Exhibit No. 875. Tell me what you

saw--tell me what happened to the best of your recollection.

Mr. HUDSON. Well, there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age

about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to

park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place

over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and

said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat

down there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of

Houston onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on

the left side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and,

of course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right

at that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade

560

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you watch the President after he got hit in the head

like that?

Mr. HUDSON. Well, as soon as everybody realized what had happened, you

know, everybody went to going up the hill so we did too.

Mr. LIEBELER. So, you only saw the President hit once; is that right,

sir?

Mr. HUDSON. Yes, sir; I just saw him hit once.

Mr. LIEBELER. That was in the head?

Mr. HUDSON. Yes, sir.

Page 562

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you see this little pedestal back up here?

Mr. HUDSON. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Just above the "X" where you were standing?

Mr. HUDSON. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see anybody standing up there that you can

remember, during the time the President went by?

Mr. HUDSON. Oh, there was a bunch of people in there, you know, a whole

bunch of them--a lot of people in there a lot of people in here.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see anybody standing up there taking motion

pictures with a movie camera?

Mr. HUDSON. Oh, yes; I seen people up there trying to get--taking

pictures.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see a man with a moving picture camera?

Mr. HUDSON. Not in particular, I didn't. It was such an exciting

time--- now---I did notice a man back over here on this triangle.

Mr. LIEBELER. Standing across Elm Street?

Page 563

Mr. HUDSON. No, sir; I can't, unless it is one of these two men right

here I can't tell--if I had that picture that was taken in the Times

Herald .paper--I can show you myself in it.

Mr. LIEBELER. Which one is that?

Mr. HUDSON. Well, it was in the Times Herald paper the next morning

after, I believe, after the assassination, maybe the evening after the

assassination.

Mr. LIEBELER. Look at this picture.

Mr. HUDSON. [Examining picture referred to.] I don't know--if that's

one of them men and myself or not up there.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hudson.htm

Marilyn Sitzman ......To Josiah Thompson....... November 29, 1966.

Sitzman: Some ran ... I mean ... I finally got back up to the alcove. There was bunches of people just swarming back there, and I think almost everybody on that hill ran back up that way. And another thing that I remember this day: there was a colored couple. I figure they were between 18 and 21, a boy and a girl, sitting on a bench, just almost, oh, parallel with me, on my right side, close to the fence.

Thompson: In other words, between you and the fence, there's a tree right next to the ...

Sitzman: There's a tree, and there's another part of the marble or concrete, whatever they call it, slab, fence, whatever they call it, between that and the wooden fence.

Thompson: Which direction was the bench facing when you ...

Sitzman: It was facing towards the street.

Thompson: Towards the street. Parallel? Downstreet? Facing forward?

Sitzman: And they were eating their lunch, 'cause they had little lunch sacks, and they were drinking coke. The main reason I remember 'em is, after the last shot I recall hearing and the car went down under the triple underpass there, I heard a crash of glass, and I looked over there, and the kids had thrown down their coke bottles, just threw them down and just started running towards the back and I ... Of course, I don't see anything unusual in that because everybody else was running that way, 'cause when I look over on my left side, the people on the hill were all running back the same way too.

snip

Thompson: Could I ask you something about your gaze and actions immediately after the head shot? On the trailer of Mr. Zapruder's film, we noticed that he turned to his right and photographed the general area of the stockade fence, the trees and the stockade fence and that particular area. Did you turn in that direction after the head shot too?

Sitzman: In a way, I have a feeling this: He might have heard the kids throw down the coke bottles and heard that crash or else maybe it was just what he saw could have caused a reaction where he'd jump, but I don't think it was the sound of bullets, because I didn't jump.

Thompson: No.

Sitzman: Because the pop bottle crashing was much louder than the shots were.

Thompson: No, this is a slightly different thing. I remarked earlier that in the Zapruder film, around frame 318, 319, we see a very sudden jiggle in the film as if the photographer was startled by a noise or by seeing something, and earlier you suggested ... well, what did you suggest?

Sitzman: Well, seeing what we saw when the bullet hit Kennedy's head and it opening up like this, you don't stand there very calmly and do nothing. I'm sure ... it ... to me, it would be a normal reaction to kind of jump or something.

Thompson: In other words, one would be startled by what one saw there rather than necessarily by what one heard.

Sitzman: Sure, sure. If you're the type of person that would react that way. Some would just immediately freeze. Some people would ... Some women would've probably passed out, some ... rather bloody ....

Thompson: Darn right. I know. I've seen the films too. Now, to get to this area between the stockade fence and the cement abutment, or small mall: Did you turn after the shot to look in this general area?

Sitzman: Yes.

Thompson: And did you see anyone in this area?

Sitzman: No, just the two colored people running back.

Thompson: I see. They were already ... they'd gotten up from the bench and were now running around into the gap made between the stockade fence and the pergola.

Sitzman: Either in the gap there or back in the alcove. I don't recall which way they went. I saw ... I heard the bottles crash, and of course I looked that way, to my right, right away, and they were getting up and running towards the back. And I turned back to see if there was anything in the front street, because then they didn't affect me one way or another.

Thompson: To see if anything else was going on. Had you seen them sitting on the bench before you stood next to them?

Sitzman: Oh year, yes. Everybody is ... oh, ten or fifteen minutes before, everybody was milling around down there, trying to find a place to stand and everything, and I know when we went over to get up on the marble thing, they were already sitting there.

Thompson: Well, did you notice at any point whether either of these two moved up to the end of the, to the point of the wall?

Sitzman: No. They may have. I don't know.

Thompson: Of course, you were looking at the parade at that point, and you wouldn't have seen what they did.

Sitzman: Yeah. I always have the feeling that they were still sitting on the bench, because when I looked over there, they were getting up from the bench.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/sitzman

Though I realize some information from Marilyn did change. this is what she had to say about the young couple, they did remain sitting, so this then brings up the thought, that the young man could not have been sitting on the steps before the motorcade turned down into Elm, and also been on the bench all the time during.....??

Below you will see the wall in shade in the Jean Hill, though taken many years latter...

I have also wondered If there were coke bottles thrown down, that broke,crashed according to Sitzman, why were they never seen within the Darnell frames........??

The last photo added , Darnell shows where the bench was......and one taken some

years later showing the view of Zapruder & Sitzman from the pedestal towards the bench area.....for now..

FWIW.....

Thanks.......B....

Lee & Don :

On Wed , late during the evening, I made this same short post to you both.....re the Country Records Building, and a possible different trajectory......

I was not the only that saw the post, so I do know I have not lost the marbles, as yet.... and it was commented to me that they had never seen the photo

previously...some time later the next day by email.........When I and the other person, came back to the F , Thurs, and checked the post was gone, and still is, ??

Yes, it was posted, yes others saw it, and yes I even edited it and added about the trees, and yes it was still there, after ......so all I can assume is that for some reason it

was deleted, or a finger slipped ???????? seeing as I did not use invisible ink.......So for whatever it is worth, which now I do ponder..??

Here it is again, and will check back to see if it has become invisible a second time....

This is from the Shaw & Harris research, done before 1976......Possible different trajectories .

This is from the left corner of the roof.....a missed shot......It also does show the height of the trees at the time. As these photo were taken that day...

Also keeping in mind that DPD Weatherford as well as another who was with him ,was said to be stationed on that roof, with rifles........the photos are by Jim Murray as far as I know...

Also they found within their research the possibility that a second shot, the first missing, and hitting the cement sewer apron, shown in the photos......

The ....second shot being taken from the right hand corner of the roof, and could possibly have been the one that hit Gov Connally....

FWIW......

B......

Lee :

This photo is from the Shaw & Harris studies......showing a possible

trajectory....Where DPD Weatherford is said to have been stationed on the

roof with a rifle..303 ?? not sure now....Also showing the height of the trees

this was taken that day...

B....

Hey Bill : Many flowers are being tossed your way.....This report is so very appreciated...

I do believe this is the most informative reports on any of the symposiums and or conferences that I have read in such a very long time, and that last

more than likely was one of yours....There is a fountain of new information within ....

I know others as well as myself are always so anxious for any news, at times we tend to grovel for such......

The reports are so few and so seldom forthcoming, with any real detail ..other than mainly what a good time they had, but with no real specifics as to what was reported....

Hopefully this fine example will show them the how.....when some return from future Symposium's , and or conferences in Dallas....There is the odd person that does make an effort , and perhaps the majority that are able to attend, do not realise that the large majority await......any report on any new research...

....Unless one goes to the expense, if such expense can be afforded, that is, and some time later when they finally may be made available, to buy the DVDs, CDs, new books whatever......surely many could give us some information such as you have done and continually do...for all without hurting those sales....

.....I repeat, it has been so very appreciated... I realize I am asking for MORE...... but ...am.... ...when and if you get the time that is...upon your return from Dallas, perhaps you could do so for all...again.........I do so wish as one of the very many, than I could attend....and sit and have a listen.....but...

Your mighty fine reports are a great boost...You take good care, as we continue to appreciate such as many have for many years....

Best B........

""My opinion of Pat Speer has never sunk lower. Bob Livingston was a world authority on the human brain. He founded the first department of neuroscience in the world at UCSD. His accomplishments were so great that, when he was appointed as the scientific director of the National Institute of Mental Health and of the National Institute of Neurological Diseases and Blindness, they had to create a new, higher, civil service rank since they had never had anyone of his degree of distinction. Anyone who would like to review his credentials should consult ASSASSINATION SCIENCE (1998), which I am quite sure Speer, who would not have qualified to carry Bob's luggage, has never done. Livingston was a founding member of the first society to be awarded the Nobel Prize and served as the science advisor to His Holiness, the Dalai Lama. Bob Livingston taught at some of the most distinguished universities in the United States. He danced with Jackie at a state dinner and was the most exceptional American I have ever known.""

""My final memory of Bob was taking him to Encinida for presentations by Noel Twyman, David Mantik, Gregory Burnham, and me. His hair was long and a bit unkempt when I picked him up in a Sebring convertible. He had a great time and I will never forget the wind blowing through his hair as we navigated the Interstate highway""

I believe this is Encinida.....Dr.Jim..and hopefully the names are correct....

Rear..Len Osinac....Karen Holt....Greg Burnham.......Front left..Noel Twyman..Correction.....Not Twyman...unknown.....Dr.Fetzer...Dr.R.Livingston.....

and sorry I do not know the ladies name...

B......

Thanks for those two photos, not so suspicious looking ones after all.

I'm interested in finding out whether there is any truth to either of these assertions:

1. That LBJ ducked down on his own before Youngblood allegedly shoved him down after the shots started; (according to Murder in Dealey Plaza, Sen. Yarborough disputed this account);

2. Again, per Murder in Dealey Plaza, Sen. Yarborough said they LBJ had a small walkie-talkie he was listening to during the whole episode.

Does anyone know if Yarborough actually wrote of these incidents or are these just anecdotes passed around without hard sources?

Phil:

Here is the quote....and link......

The Senator who Suspected a JFK Conspiracy

Yarborough's Suspicion of Lyndon Johnson

"...There is the well-publicized story of Agent Rufus Youngblood, who reportedly threw himself on top of Vice President Johnson after the shooting began in Dealey Plaza.... Johnson, in a statement to the Warren Commission, mentioned the incident:

I was startled by a sharp report or explosion, but I had no time to speculate as to its origin because Agent Youngblood turned in a flash, immediately after the first explosion, hitting me on the shoulder, and shouted to all of us in the back seat to get down. I was pushed down by Agent Youngblood. Almost in the same moment in which he hit or pushed me, he vaulted over the back seat and sat on me. I was bent over under the weight of Agent Youngblood's body, toward Mrs. Johnson and Senator Yarborough....

However, former Texas senator Ralph Yarborough, who was sitting beside Johnson that day, told this author: 'It just didn't happen.... It was a small car, Johnson was a big man, tall. His knees were up against his chin as it was. There was no room for that to happen.' Yarborough recalled that both Johnson and Youngblood ducked down as the shooting began and that Youngblood never left the front seat. Yarborough said Youngblood held a small walkie-talkie over the back of the car's seat and that he and Johnson both put their ears to the device. He added: 'They had it turned down real low. I couldn't hear what they were listening to.'"

--Jim Marrs, Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy

http://www.geocities.com/senatoryarborough/

In the V.P car..

a rented 1964 Lincoln 4 door Convertible...Driver Hurchel Jacks

a Texas Hghwy Patrol Officer.....

SS Rufus Youngblood..

Back seat..LBJ.......Lady Bird Johnson......Senator Ralph Yarborough

Here is a bown up crop from the Altgens photo....showing the VP car after the first shot had

been sounded....

Note : Do you notice the man behind on the right with what appears could be, a walkie

talkie to his mouth.....??

B..........

Pat : Quote :"Bernice, "Three Patients" was not written from original interviews. It was written by an author given access to the original statements of the Parkland doctors, which were by no means covered up. These statements were, in fact, printed with the Warren Report.

The "everyone who saw the head wound thought it was on the back of the head" argument is just not true. It is a conspiracy myth. Several people thought it was on the back of the head, but the photos used by Lifton and Groden were all taken many years later. More telling, by far, are the observations of people on 11-22."

Pat:

I have done studies within the W/C .......thank you....just the same.

Your first quote answers the question......"given access to the original statements".

Your second "The everyone who saw the head wound thought it was on the back of the head" argument is just not true..."It is a conspiracy myth."

I suppose we are to assume now that all are conspiracy myths...

Those within the photo, were giving their opinions as to what they saw...with their eyes..... some years later, but that is what they recalled...amazing

that so many blind people, regarded the same area as to where they saw the blow out wound....

Their opinion and it should always be kept in mind,that theirs more so than yours or anyones should be respected, as they were there, and we were not...

and should never be disregarded...and never so dismissively..

Personally each time I read a post stating the witnesses were wrong, I read obfuscation, some people seem to deliberately put aside that aspect that [b]"they were there, they saw..and all cannot be in error..".....

Whatever is your opinion, and though I respect your right to such......It seems someone should remind you that was theirs, in case if you have perhaps

forgotten, we have gone around the bush in the past........and I do recall it came to an agree to disagree......

IMO you follow the Gov.findings, and support those,....... I do not.....and no where will the twain ever meet...

But other than perhaps on occasion, posting such as I did for Antti's information, I have

not any inclinations to debate any of those that do appear to defend Gov findings....I have been there

and done that in the past ,many times......and now, imo, it does nothing but give them the opportunity to continue

to post such....

No offense Pat....Just MO....

....Thank you for your reply, and I wish you well ......

P.S and imo you know exactly what Jack was referring to in his post.....in reference to...exit and entrance wounds....

B......[/b]

Hello Antti:

You may be interested in this article.......This is only part one, the next is on LHO, and the third

John Connally, which I have never found.....all attended as you know at Parkland...

This article is originally from the alts, I found it some years back, it was posted by thanks to Michael Parks.

........It came from "The Texas State Journal of Medicine", dated January, 1964.

It was written in late November/early December, 1963 before the 'OFFICIAL' story was set in stone.

I have been told, it is somewhat different, in content in some regards, than how it is Now Found on the web.?

If it can be found..........Though I have not checked...it is possible it could be....

Thanks....B

Michael Parks..

THREE PATIENTS at PARKLAND

PARKLAND Memorial Hospital, Dallas, treats an average of 272 emergency cases a day. It is

adjacent to and is the major teaching hospital for the University of Texas Southwestern Medical

School. It is staffed by the faculty of the medical school and has 150 interns and residents in

all medical specialties. It is a modern hospital, well equipped, one of which any community

might be proud. Today and for none of these reasons-Parkland has a new reputation all over the

world, and historians are typing its name into manuscripts that will be textbooks for

generations to come. This has happened because three particular gunshot victims were carried

there out of the bright November sunlight, two to die and the third to leave by wheelchair

almost two weeks later, his arm in a sling.

Many Texas physicians have visited Parkland hospital; many have worked or trained there.

Members of the Parkland staff are their acquaintances and friends. Many Texas physicians know

personally the surviving gunshot victim, Gov. John Connally; some personally knew President John

F. Kennedy, who died in Trauma Room 1; perhaps a few even knew Lee Harvey Oswald, the man

charged by Dallas authorities with the assassination of the President and who was himself shot

two days later.

The assassination of President Kennedy, the wounding of Governor Connally, and the fatal

shooting of Oswald are events of profound import to people everywhere, but they have special,

personal meaning for Texans. So because a Texas hospital and Texas physicians figured

prominently in this tragedy, the Texas State Journal of Medicine records for its readers of the

medical profession a full account of treatment given a never-to-be-forgotten trio.

When President John F. Kennedy in a moribund condition entered Parkland on Nov. 22, there was

never opportunity for medical history taking. Such a history, had it been taken, would have

shown that the patient "had survived several illnesses, the danger of war, the rigor of exposure

in icy water, and . . . had waged grueling electoral campaigns in spite of a serious and painful

back injury."

Parkland records show that the President arrived at the emergency room sometime after 12:30

p.m. (There is conflict as to the exact moment.) At 1 p.m. Dr. William Kemp Clark, associate

professor and chairman of the Division of Neurosurgery of the University of Texas Southwestern

Medical School, declared him dead. During the interim of less than 30 minutes, continuous

resuscitative efforts were made.

Later that day, several attending physicians filed reports. The following identifies these

physicians and gives the gist of their reports:

Charles J Carrico - Dr. Carrico was the first physician to see the President. A 1961 graduate

of Southwestern Medical School, he is 28 and a resident in surgery at Parkland.

He reported that when the patient entered the emergency room on an ambulance carriage he had

slow agonal respiratory efforts and occasional cardiac beats detectable by auscultation. Two

external wounds were noted; one a small wound of the anterior neck in the lower one third. The

other wound had caused avulsion of the occipitoparietal calvarium and shredded brain tissue was

present with profuse oozing. No pulse or blood pressure were present. Pupils were bilaterally

dilated and fixed. A cuffed endotracheal tube was inserted through the laryngoscope. A ragged

wound of the trachea was seen immediately below the larynx. The tube was advanced past the

laceration and the cuff inflated. Respiration was instituted using a respirator assistor on

automatic cycling. Concurrently, an intravenous infusion of lactated Ringer's solution was

begun via catheter placed in the right leg. Blood was drawn for typing and crossmatching. Type

0 Rh negative blood was obtained immediately.

In view of the tracheal injury and diminished breath sounds in the right chest, tracheostomy

was performed by Dr. Malcolm 0. Perry and bilateral chest tubes inserted. A second intravenous

infusion was begun in the left arm. In addition, Dr. M. T. Jenkins began respiration with the

anesthesia machine, cardiac monitor and stimulator attached. Solu-Cortef (300 mg.) was given

intravenously. Despite those measures, blood pressure never returned. Only brief

electrocardiographic evidence of cardiac activity was obtained.

Malcolm 0. Perry - Dr. Perry is an assistant professor of surgery at Southwestern Medical

School from which he received his degree in 1955. He I9 34 years old and was certified by the

American Board of Surgery in 1963.

At the time of initial examination of the President, Dr. Perry has stated, the patient was

noted to be nonresponsive . His eyes were deviated and the pupils dilated. A considerable

quantity of blood was noted on the patient, the carriage, and the floor. A small wound was

noted in the midline of the neck in the lower third anteriorly. It was exuding blood slowly. A

large wound of the right posterior cranium was noted, exposing severely lacerated brain. Brain

tissue was noted in the blood at the head of the carriage.

Pulse or heart beat were not detectable but slow spasmodic respiration was noted. An

endotracheal tube was in place and respiration was being controlled. An intravenous infusion

was being placed in the leg. While additional venesections were done to administer fluids and

blood, a tracheostomy was effected. A right lateral injury to the trachea was noted. The

cuffed tracheostomy tube was put in place as the endotracheal tube was withdrawn and

respirations continued. Closed chest cardiac massage was instituted after placement of

sealed-drainage chest tubes, but without benefit. When electrocardiogram evaluation revealed

that no detectable electrical activity existed in the heart, resuscitative attempts were

abandoned. The team of physicians determined that the patient had expired.

Charles R. Baxter - Dr. Baxter is an assistant professor of surgery at Southwestern Medical

School where he first arrived as a medical student in 1950. Except for two years away in the

Army he has been at Southwestern and Parkland ever since, moving up from student to intern to

resident to faculty member. He is 34 and was certified by the American Board of Surgery in 1963.

Recalling his attendance to President Kennedy, he says he learned at approximately 12 :35

that the President was on the way to the emergency room and that he had been shot. When Dr.

Baxter arrived in the emergency room, he found an endotracheal tube in place and respirations

being assisted. A left chest tube was being inserted and cut-downs were functioning in one leg

and in the left arm. The President had a wound in the midline of the neck. On first

observation of the other wounds, portions of the right temporal and occipital bones were missing

and some of the brain was lying on the table. The rest of the brain was extensively macerated

and contused. The pupils were fixed and deviated laterally and were dilated. No pulse was

detectable and ineffectual respirations were being assisted. A tracheostomy was performed by

Dr. Perry and Dr. Baxter and a chest tube was inserted into the right chest (second interspace

anteriorly). Meanwhile one pint of O negative blood was administered without response. When

all of these measures were complete, no heart beat could be detected. Closed chest massage was

performed until a cardioscope could be attached. Brief cardiac activity was obtained followed

by no activity. Due to the extensive and irreparable brain damage which existed and since there

were no signs of life, no further attempts were made at resuscitation.

Robert N. McClelland - Dr. McClelland, 34, assistant professor of surgery at Southwestern

Medical School, is a graduate of the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston. He has

served with the Air Force in Germany and was certified by the American Board of Surgery in 1963.

Regarding the assassination of President Kennedy, Dr. McClelland says that at approximately

12:35 p.m. he was called from the second floor of the hospital to the emergency room. When he

arrived, President Kennedy was being attended by Drs. Perry, Baxter, Carrico, and Ronald Jones,

chief resident in surgery. The President was at that time comatose from a massive gunshot wound

of the head with a fragment wound of the trachea. An endotracheal tube had been placed and

assisted respiration started by Dr. Carrico who was on duty in the emergency room when the

President arrived. Drs. Perry, Baxter, and McClelland performed a tracheostomy for respiratory

distress and tracheal injury. Dr. Jones and Dr. Paul Peters, assistant professor of surgery, ;

inserted bilateral anterior chest tubes for pneumothoraces secondary to the tracheo-mediastinal

injury. Dr. Jones and assistants had started three cutdowns, giving blood and fluids

immediately. In spite of this, the President was pronounced dead at 1:00 p.m. by Dr. Clark, the

neurosurgeon, who arrived immediately after Dr. McClelland. The cause of death, according to

Dr. McClelland was the massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the right side of

the head. The President was pronounced dead after external cardiac massage failed and

electrocardiographic activity was gone.

Fouad A, Bashour - Dr. Bashour received his medical education at the University of Beirut

School of Medicine in Lebanon. He is 39 and an associate professor of medicine in cardiology at

Southwestern Medical School.

At 12 :50 p.m. Dr. Bashour was called from the first floor of the hospital and told that

President Kennedy had been shot. He and Dr. Donald Seldin, professor and chairman of the

Department of Internal Medicine, went to the emergency room. Upon examination, they found that

the President had no pulsations, no heart beats, no blood pressure. The oscilloscope showed a

complete standstill. The President was declared dead at 1:00 p.m.

William Kemp Clark - Dr. Clark is associate professor and chairman of the Division of

Neurosurgery at Southwestern Medical School. The 38-year-old physician has done research on

head injuries and has been at Southwestern since 1956.

He reports this account of the President's treatment:

The President arrived at the emergency room entrance in the back seat of his limousine.

Governor Connally of Texas was also in this car. The first physician to see the President was

Dr. Carrico.

Dr. Carrico noted the President to have slow, agonal respiratory efforts. He could hear a

heart beat but found no pulse or blood pressure. Two external wounds, one in the lower third of

the anterior neck, the other in the occipital region of the skull, were noted. Through the head

wound, blood and brain were extruding. Dr. Carrico inserted a cuffed endotracheal tube and

while doing so, he noted a ragged wound of the trachea immediately below the larynx.

At this time, Drs. Perry, Baxter, and Jones arrived. Immediately thereafter, Dr. Jenkins and

Drs. A. H. Giesecke, Jr., and Jackie H. Hunt, two other staff anesthesiologists, arrived. The

endotracheal tube had been connected to a respirator to assist the President's breathing. An

anesthesia machine was substituted for this by Dr. Jenkins. Only 100 per cent oxygen was

administered.

A cutdown was performed in the right ankle, and a polyethylene catheter inserted in the vein.

An infusion of lactated Ringer's solution was begun. Blood was drawn for typing and

crossmatching, but unmatched type O Rh negative blood was immediately obtained and begun.

Hydrocortisone (300

mg.) was added to the intravenous fluids.

Dr. McClelland arrived to help in the President's care. Drs. Perry, Baxter, and McClelland

did a tracheostomy. Considerable quantities of blood were present in the President's oral

pharynx. At this time, Dr. Peters and Dr. Clark arrived.

Dr. Clark noted that the President had bled profusely from the back of the head. There was a

large (3 by 3 cm.) amount of cerebral tissue present on the cart. There was a smaller amount of

cerebellar tissue present also.

The tracheostomy was completed and the endotracheal tube was withdrawn. Suction was used to

remove blood in the oral pharynx. A nasogastric tube was passed into the stomach. Because of

the likelihood of mediastinal injury, anterior chest tubes were placed in both pleural spaces.

These were connected to sealed underwater drainage.

Neurological examination revealed the President's pupils to be widely dilated and fixed to

light. His eyes were divergent, being deviated outward; a skew deviation from the horizontal

was present. No deep tendon reflexes or spontaneous movements were found.

When Dr. Clark noted that there was no carotid pulse, he began closed chest massage. A pulse

was obtained at the carotid and femoral levels.

Dr. Perry then took over the cardiac massage so that Dr. Clark could evaluate the head wound.

There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region.

Much of the right posterior skull, at brief examination, appeared gone. The previously

described extruding brain was present. Profuse bleeding had occurred and 1500 cc. of blood was

estimated to be on the drapes and floor of the emergency operating room. Both cerebral and

cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound.

By this time an electrocardiograph was hooked up. There was brief electrical activity of the

heart which soon stopped.

The President was pronounced dead at 1:00 p.m. by Dr. Clark.

M. T. Jenkins - Dr. Jenkins is professor and chairman of the Department of Anesthesiology at

Southwestern Medical School. He is 46, a graduate of the University of Texas Medical Branch in

Galveston, and was certified by the American Board of Anesthesiology in 1952. During World War

II he served in the Navy as a lieutenant commander.

When Dr. Jenkins was notified that the President was being brought to the emergency room at

Parkland, he dispatched Drs. Giesecke and Hunt with an anesthesia machine and resuscitative

equipment to the major surgical emergency room area. He ran downstairs to find upon his arrival

in the emergency operating room that Dr. Carrico had begun resuscitative efforts by introducing

an orotracheal tube, connecting it for controlled ventilation to a Bennett intermittent positive

pressure breathing apparatus. Drs. Baxter, Perry, and McClelland arrived at the same time and

began a tracheostomy and started the insertion of a right chest tube, since there was also

obvious tracheal and chest damage. Drs. Peters and Clark arrived simultaneously and immediately

thereafter assisted respectively with the insertion of the right chest tube and with manual

closed chest cardiac compression to assure circulation. Dr. Jenkins believes it evidence of the

clear thinking of the resuscitative team that the patient received 300 mg. hydrocortisone

intravenously in the first few minutes.

For better control of artificial ventilation, Dr. Jenkins exchanged the intermittent positive

pressure breathing apparatus for an anesthesia machine and continued artificial ventilation.

Dr. Gene Akin, a resident in anesthesiology, and Dr. Giesecke connected a cardioscope to

determine cardiac activity.

During the progress of these activities, the emergency room cart was elevated at the feet in

order to provide a Trendelenburg position, a venous cutdown was performed on the right saphenous

vein and additional fluids were begun in a vein in the left forearm while blood was ordered from

the blood bank. All of these activities were completed by approximately 12:50 at which time

external cardiac massage was still being carried out effectively by Dr. Clark as judged by a

palpable peripheral pulse. Despite these measures there was only brief electrocardiographic

evidence of cardiac activity.

These described resuscitative activities were indicated as of first importance, and after

they were carried out, attention was turned to other evidences of injury. There was a great

laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital), causing a great defect in the

skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the

extent that part of the right cerebellum had protruded from the wound. There were also

fragmented sections of brain on the drapes of the emergency room cart. With the institution of

adequate cardiac compression, there was a great flow of blood from the cranial cavity,

indicating that there was much vascular damage as well as brain tissue damage. President

Kennedy was pronounced dead at 1 p.m.

It is Dr. Jenkins' personal feeling that all methods of resuscitation were instituted

expeditiously and efficiently. However, he says, the cranial and intracranial damage was of

such magnitude as to cause irreversible damage.

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Point your mouse over the skull x-ray.....for information....

See #4 ON XRAY -- OCCIPITAL IS ALWAYS THE MOST POSTERIOR BONE --

http://anatomy.med.umich.edu/radiology/hea...l_lateral.html# Hypophyseal fossa

Axis

Odontoid process

External occipital protuberance

Temporal bone

B......

Hi,

I can understand the ‘admins’ wanting to set certain rules for their forum, I can understand the ‘moderators’ trying to enforce those rules, but what I can’t understand is just how many of the members seem to be making a big deal about it.

Does it really bother you so much that Jack White doesn’t have a bio link?

I know it is forum rules and I have no problem with them, but please let the ‘admins’ and ‘mods’ resolve this problem.

<SNIP>

Thanks - Steve

Good post. I agree with much of what you say. Any cursory reading of this thread, from the beginning can see the problem that exists.

Of course, some will argue (and maybe even believe, though I doubt it) that they are concerned about forum rules and that is the only reason they repeatedly and continuously hit the report button and make a huge issue of 'the rules'.

This isn't limited to either 'side'.

The truth is, "the rules" are being used in a childish game of oneupmanship to irritate and annoy - members, admins, mods - generally everyone - sometimes, but rarely, even annoying the intended target.

Mark,

I find, Dixie's concerns are shared by many folk. I shan't defend her, suffice to say she has contributed a great deal of quality in those posts and is a highly respected member of the forum. It does seem you've made a strange call based on a stranger metric.

Unless it is a person's job posting 20-100 times a day in most functional forums seems excessive. I know a lot of forums where that would be considered spamming. I also know a lot where a forum is no more than an instant messaging tool. Though I'll not make your mistake and rush to a judgement...

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Gary Loughran Aug 26 2008, 09:46 PM

Good post. I agree with much of what you say. Any cursory reading of this thread, from the beginning can see the problem that exists.

Of course, some will argue (and maybe even believe, though I doubt it) that they are concerned about forum rules and that is the only reason they repeatedly and continuously hit the report button and make a huge issue of 'the rules'.

This isn't limited to either 'side'.

The truth is, "the rules" are being used in a childish game of oneupmanship to irritate and annoy - members, admins, mods - generally everyone - sometimes, but rarely, even annoying the intended target.

Gary

If your words, are meant as an implication in anyway, that includes myself,

Quote : Gary :""Of course, some will argue (and maybe even believe, though I doubt it) that they are concerned about forum rules and that is the only reason they repeatedly and continuously hit the report button and make a huge issue of 'the rules'.

I want to make it Very clear to you, and All, that I have never hit the report button......

I have made one complaint and to John Simkin directly, some years back.....long before any rules were implimented on this forum....

I am asking that John now stand by his words...not mine.....That he stated in the email he had sent out.....to all members.....

Quote : John Simkin .."What they do not have the freedom to do is to make personal attacks on other members. If you do this in the future, you will be immediately dealt with."

B.....

I have deleted the thread “Death of a Great Idea, when bad moderation kills a forum”. I will also delete any other thread that attacks the administrators or moderators of this forum.

It is my opinion that a small group of members are intent in severely damaging this forum before they go off to form their own forum. I am not going to allow them to destroy what I believe is important.

I have attempted to run this form in a way that would provide the maximum of freedom for members. It was the way I tried to teach my classes in school. However, I did realize as a teacher that some groups were too immature to benefit from this approach (this had nothing to do with age).

Most members have responded well to this approach. However, a small minority have always caused problems by their attacks on other members. Recently, when moderators tried to protect those being attacked, they have themselves been the target of their venom. So much so, that they have resigned from the job.

One of the ways that this group has been “rebelling” is to remove the link to their biography. Unless this is put back the member’s posts will be made invisible and they will be placed on moderation. Eventually, all their posts will be deleted from the forum. The same goes for those who do not have an identifiable photograph as an avatar.

This forum receives a large number of page views. It is an excellent resource for people who wish to publicize their opinions, books, websites, etc. because of its search-engine ranking. Members are still free to use it in this way. What they do not have the freedom to do is to make personal attacks on other members. If you do this in the future, you will be immediately dealt with. They can then go away and talk amongst themselves, convinced that they are victims of a CIA conspiracy.

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Quote : John Simkin .."What they do not have the freedom to do is to make personal attacks on other members. If you do this in the future, you will be immediately dealt with."

Quote : Vernon : ""JHC....you have 200 posts in over 4 years on this site.... get over yourself"".

John : Awaiting to see your "immediately dealt with".....??

B..........

I have received an email from Mr. Simkin accusing me of being part of a "conspiracy"

to destroy his forum. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I have been a member

and supporter from the beginning. He has been terribly misled by someone. He invited

me to join, and personally set up an account for me. But it is his forum and clearly he

may administer it as he chooses.

Jack White

The same email was sent to every member of the forum. It did not accuse you personally of being involved in such a conspiracy.

********************

John:

I think that Jack can be forgiven for misinterpreting your message. Mine started out with "Bernice Moore " and finished with "John Simkin" -- along with the use of "you" in the text. Apparently others did as well.......It is understandable.....IMO.....

This below is the email message I received......

Please note also, the line, where Gentlemen, it states.........

What they do not have the freedom to do is to make personal attacks on other members.

[/b]

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Monday, August 25, 2008 9:29 AM

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To:

bmoore

Bernice Moore,

I have deleted the thread “Death of a Great Idea, when bad moderation kills a forum”. I will also delete any other thread that attacks the administrators or moderators of this forum.

It is my opinion that a small group of members are intent in severely damaging this forum before they go off to form their own forum. I am not going to allow them to destroy what I believe is important.

I have attempted to run this form in a way that would provide the maximum of freedom for members. It was the way I tried to teach my classes in school. However, I did realize as a teacher that some groups were too immature to benefit from this approach (this had nothing to do with age).

Most members have responded well to this approach. However, a small minority have always caused problems by their attacks on other members. Recently, when moderators tried to protect those being attacked, they have themselves been the target of their venom. So much so, that they have resigned from the job.

One of the ways that this group has been “rebelling” is to remove the link to their biography. Unless this is put back the member’s posts will be made invisible and they will be placed on moderation. Eventually, all their posts will be deleted from the forum. The same goes for those who do not have an identifiable photograph as an avatar.

This forum receives a large number of page views. It is an excellent resource for people who wish to publicize their opinions, books, websites, etc. because of its search-engine ranking. Members are still free to use it in this way. What they do not have the freedom to do is to make personal attacks on other members.

If you do this in the future, you will be immediately dealt with. They can then go away and talk amongst themselves, convinced that they are victims of a CIA conspiracy.

John Simkin

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B.........

Of the twenty attempts by the eleven marksmen..the CBS only made known, four.....

CBS perhaps would have said so...if the other marksmen had averaged two out of three hits....

CBS finally did disclose that only four of the eleven marksmen managed, two hits out of three,,,,

"Who Killed Kennedy ? The Final Chapter".....CBS Reports, November 22, 1993

B.......

For anyone who perhaps either disregards or turns a deliberate blind eye to

all Media control ..or is not informed.........of "Mockingbird"....

This is the information on the farce that CBS : ABC produced....

""The Feiman Report CBS : ABC News and the Lone Assassin theory ""

Neither the Donahue accomplishment nor the recreation was rather exactly......

The first in quotes gives the information pertaining to Donahue and the recreation........

Then

Below that is the Feiman Report in Full...........

""

CBS WAS NOT PERMITTED TO TEST THE

MANNLICHER-CARCANO RIFLE THAT THE

GOVERNMENT ALLEGES OSWALD USED TO

ASSASSINATE THE PRESIDENT. TO PROVE THAT

HE COULD HAVE FIRED THREE SHOTS WITHIN THE

TIME FRAME ALLOWED BY THE WARREN

COMMISSION, CBS OBTAINED ITS OWN

MANNLICHER-CARCANO AND SIMILAR AMMUNITION.

THEY BUILT A FIRING RANGE WITH MOVING

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TARGETS TO SIMULATE THE GEOMETRY OF DEALEY

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PLAZA, EXCEPT THAT THE TRACK WAS STRAIGHT,

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NOT CURVED LIKE ELM STREET. THE TARGETS,

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SIMILAR TO STANDARD FBI TARGETS, FEATURED

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OVERSIZE ORANGE SILHOUETTES ON A FOUR-BYFOUR-

******************************************

FOOT BLUE BACKGROUND. THEN THEY

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HIRED ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS SHARPSHOOTERS

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OF THE DAY, RETIRED ARMY COLONEL EDWARD B.

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CROSSMAN. CROSSMAN WAS THE AUTHOR OF MANY

************

BOOKS AND MAGAZINE ARTICLES FOR GUN

ENTHUSIASTS, WRITING UNDER THE PEN NAME

“COLONEL JIM CROSSMAN.”

§GRAPHIC: LISTER TO

MIDGLEY FEBRUARY 3,

1967

CBS ALLOWED CROSSMAN A FULL WEEK TO

FAMILIARIZE HIMSELF WITH ITS COPY OF THE

MANNLICHER-CARCANO. THEN, AT THE END OF

JANUARY 1967, THEY GAVE HIM SIX CHANCES TO

DUPLICATE OSWALD’S ALLEGED FEAT. THIS

MEMO REPORTED THE RESULTS.

CBS-ABC Script Page 28

(-MORE-)

§GRAPHIC: (EXTRACT OF

LISTER TO MIDGLEY

FEBRUARY 3, 1967)

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

LISTER TO MIDGLEY

FEBRUARY 3, 1967

V.O.

NARRATION:

CROSSMAN FAILED TO BREAK SIX-AND-ONEQUARTER

SECONDS. HE SCORED TWO OUT OF

THREE HITS IN ONLY ONE-HALF OF HIS

ATTEMPTS.

THE MEMO DESCRIBES CROSSMAN’S DIFFICULTY

WITH THE STICKY BOLT ACTION OF THE RIFLE.

CROSSMAN ALSO HAD TO COMPENSATE FOR A

FAULTY SCOPE. (THE FBI HAD FOUND IT

NECESSARY TO ALTER THE MOUNTING OF THE

SCOPE ON THE ALLEGED ASSASSINATION

WEAPON.)

§TEXT: RATHER

INTERVIEWS CROSSMAN

(CUT TO:)

-TEXT: RATHER

INTERVIEW CROSSMAN

DAN RATHER INTERVIEWED CROSSMAN ON FILM

IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE TEST. CROSSMAN

DESCRIBED THE RIFLE AS “NOT VERY

ACCURATE.” HITTING THE TARGET WITH TWO

OUT OF THREE SHOTS, HE SAID, WOULD REQUIRE

A LARGE ELEMENT OF LUCK. CBS COMPLETELY

DISCARDED THE CROSSMAN TEST AND HIS

INTERVIEW, AND MADE NO MENTION OF THEM ON

THE AIR.

§GRAPHIC: MARKSMEN

TEST RESULTS

IN ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO PROVE THE LONE

ASSASSIN THEORY, CBS ASSEMBLED ELEVEN

EXPERT MARKSMEN. AFTER GIVING THEM AMPLE

TIME TO PRACTICE WITH THE RIFLE AT AN

INDOOR RIFLE RANGE, CBS FILMED THEM AT ITS

OUTDOOR MOCK-UP OF DEALEY PLAZA.

CBS-ABC Script Page 29

(-MORE-)

§GRAPHICS: INDIVIDUAL

MARKSMAN TEST RESULTS

(FADE IN AND DISSOLVE

TO NEXT)

V.O.

NARRATION:

TIME WAS RECORDED IN ONLY 20 OUT OF 37

ATTEMPTS TO FIRE THREE SHOTS AT THE MOVING

TARGET. IN THE OTHER 17 ATTEMPTS, EITHER A

BULLET JAMMED DURING THE BOLT-CYCLING

PROCESS, RESULTING IN NO TIME, OR THE

STICKY BOLT SLOWED THE RIFLEMAN SO MUCH

THAT THE TARGET COMPLETED ITS RUN BEFORE

HE COULD GET OFF HIS THIRD SHOT.

§GRAPHIC: DONAHUE

TEST RESULT

ONLY THREE OF THE ELEVEN MARKSMEN WERE

ABLE TO SCORE AT LEAST TWO HITS IN LESS

THAN 5.6 SECONDS. HOWARD DONAHUE SCORED

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THE BEST ON HIS THIRD TRY, BUT ONLY AFTER

********************************************

HIS FIRST TWO ATTEMPTS FAILED COMPLETELY.

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§GRAPHIC: RIFLE TEST

CONCLUSION

ALTHOUGH CBS CLAIMED AN AVERAGE RECORDED

TIME OF 5.6 SECONDS, THEY FAILED TO TELL

VIEWERS THAT THOSE 20 RESULTS AVERAGED

ONLY 1.2 OUT OF THREE HITS. STILL, CBS

PROVED THAT IT WAS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE FOR

THREE OUT OF A DOZEN EXPERT MARKSMEN TO

OPERATE A RIFLE SIMILAR TO THE

ASSASSINATION WEAPON WITHIN THE

COMMISSION’S TIME FRAME.

CBS-ABC Script Page 30

(-MORE-)

§GRAPHIC: MANNLICHERCARCANO

RIFLE

-VIDEO: ZOOM RIFLE

§GRAPHIC: ROGER

FEINMAN

V.O.

NARRATION:

WHAT IS STRIKING ABOUT THE CBS RIFLE TESTS

IS NOT THE ACTUAL RESULTS, BUT HOW MANY

TIMES ITS MARKSMEN FAILED TO GET RESULTS;

BECAUSE, ANYTIME THE RIFLE WAS LOADED WITH

LIVE AMMUNITION, THE BOLT ACTION JAMMED

MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. SOME OF THE RIFLEMEN

HAD TO TAKE THE RIFLE OFF THEIR SHOULDERS

BETWEEN SHOTS TO GET BETTER LEVERAGE ON

THE BOLT. THEN THE PROBLEM BECAME

REACQUIRING THE TARGET THROUGH THE SCOPE,

TRACKING IT, AND SQUEEZING OFF A SHOT.

USING IT IN THIS ASSASSINATION WOULD HAVE

REQUIRED AN EXPERT EXPERIENCED ENOUGH (AND

PRACTICED ENOUGH) TO COMPENSATE FOR ITS

STICKY BOLT ACTION AND FAULTY SCOPE. AS

CROSSMAN SAID, AN EXPERT USING THIS WEAPON

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HAD A REASONABLE CHANCE AT HITTING

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SOMETHING – NOT NECESSARILY PLACING HIS

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SHOTS PRECISELY WHERE HE WANTED; SOMEONE

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WITH OSWALD'S ABILITY USING THIS WEAPON

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WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE A VERY LUCKY DAY.

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EVEN IF HE WAS A HIGHLY SKILLED MARKSMAN,

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THE WARREN REPORT OFFERED NO EVIDENCE THAT

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OSWALD HAD FIRED ANY RIFLE – LET ALONE

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PRACTICED FIRING THE ASSASSINATION RIFLE -

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- DURING THE TWELVE MONTHS BEFORE THE

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CRIME. REGARDLESS, CBS CONCLUDED THAT

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OSWALD COULD HAVE FIRED ACCURATELY AND

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FAST ENOUGH.

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Date: 4/7/05 Writer: Roger Bruce Feinman

Title: CBS News, ABC News, and

the Lone Assassin Theory

Producer: Roger Bruce Feinmam

Subject: Segment: Part I: CBS

The Media and the

Kennedy assassination Medium: Web & CD-ROM

Time: Draft: Revision 9

Copyright: ©2005 Roger Bruce Feinman (All Rights Reserved)

VIDEO AUDIO

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§TE XT: COPYRIGHT

WARNING AND "NEXT"

BUTTON

(SILENT)

§TE XT: DISCLAIMER

(SILENT)

§TEXT: AUDIENCE

SUITABILITY

(SILENT)

§GRAPHIC: (FADE IN)

ROGER FEINMAN

(DISSOLVE TO:)

-GRAPHIC: CONFERENCE

PROGRAM MONTAGE

V.O.

NARRATION:

HELLO, MY NAME IS ROGER FEINMAN. THIS IS

THE WEB VERSION OF MY PRESENTATION TO A

CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., ON SUNDAY,

SEPTEMBER 19 , 2004. THE CONFERENCE WAS

CALLED "T HE WARREN REPORT AND ITS LEGACY."

IT MARKED THE FORTIETH ANNIVERSARY OF THE

WARREN COMMISSION REPORT ON PRESIDENT

K ENNEDY's ASSASSINATION. MY TOPIC WAS

“CBS NEWS, ABC NEWS, AND THE LONE ASSASSIN

THEORY.” THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO PARTS.

I SINCERELY HOPE YOU WILL FIND THIS

PRESENTATION INFORMATIVE AND WORTHWHILE.

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§VIDEO: CRONKITE SET

(ZOOM IN)

(FADE OUT/FADE IN)

-GRAPHIC: CBS NEWS

INQUIRY TITLE

V.O.

NARRATION:

IT WAS THE COSTLIEST TELEVISION

DOCUMENTARY OF ITS TIME. IT WAS SO BIG

THAT IT FILLED FOUR HOURS IN PRIME TIME ON

CONSECUTIVE EVENINGS. IT WAS SO

COMPLICATED THAT IT TOOK SEVEN MONTHS TO

PRODUCE. IN JUNE 1967, CBS NEWS JOINED

THE DEBATE OVER THE WARREN COMMISSION'S

REPORT ON PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S

ASSASSINATION. BUT WAS IT IMPARTIAL

INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM, OR DID IT

REFLECT FAVORS AMONG POWERFUL FRIENDS?

FOR THE FIRST TIME, EVIDENCE NEVER BEFORE

MADE PUBLIC PROVIDES THE ANSWER.

§GRAPHIC: MAIN TITLE

(FLY-DOWN/FADE OUT)

(MUSIC: CBS REPORTS THEME EXCERPTED FROM

“APPALACHIAN SPRING”)

LINEUP #2

§GRAPHIC: GOODMANSCHWERNER-

CHANEY

MEDIUM(APPEAR ONE-BYONE.

. . THEN QUICK

CUT TO)

-VIDEO: GOODMAN

SCHWERNER & CHANEY

CU(PAN LEFT-TO-RIGHT)

V.O.

NARRATION:

(MUSIC: GHOSTLY RUBATO UP AND UNDER)

JANUARY 2005. MORE THAN FORTY YEARS AFTER

THE MURDERS OF THREE CIVIL RIGHTS WORKERS

IN NESHOBA COUNTY, MISSISSIPI, A SUSPECT

IS ARRESTED AND CHARGED. THE FORMER

EDITOR AND PUBLISHER OF A LOCAL NEWSPAPER

SAYS, "THE CASE IS JUST AS CURRENT NOW AS

IT WAS THE NIGHT THE MURDERS WERE

COMMITTED, LEGALLY AND MORALLY."

§GRAPHIC: TITLE:

"NEWSWORTHINESS"

(MUSIC CONTINUES)

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§VIDEO: HEADLINES

SUPERED OVER JFK

(FADE IN AND DISSOLVE

TO NEXT)

V.O.

NARRATION:

THESE ARE HEADLINES FROM NEWS STORIES

WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS. WE

FREQUENTLY HEAR OF OLD MURDER CASES

REOPENED -- SOME EVEN PROSECUTED TO A

GUILTY VERDICT. BUT WHENEVER PRESIDENT

KENNEDY'S ASSASSINATION IS BROUGHT UP,

SOME PEOPLE – INCLUDING THOSE IN THE NEWS

MEDIA – SAY, "IT'S NO LONGER NEWS," OR "IT

HAPPENED SUCH A LONG TIME AGO," OR "IT'S

TOO MESSY, TOO INCONCLUSIVE." RIDICULE AND

DERISION CONTINUE TO PLAGUE STUDENTS OF

THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION. THE MAINSTREAM

PRESS EITHER IGNORES THEM OR MARGINALIZES

THEM AS "CONSPIRACY THEORISTS" AND

"BUFFS". PERHAPS THAT’S BECAUSE THEY

FAILED IN THEIR WATCHDOG ROLE. INSTEAD OF

RAISING QUESTIONS FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO

ANSWER, THE AMERICAN NEWS MEDIA TRIED TO

REASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT THE WARREN

COMMISSION GOT IT RIGHT – THAT LEE HARVEY

OSWALD ACTED ALONE WHEN HE ASSASSINATED

PRESIDENT KENNEDY.

(FADE OUT GHOSTLY RUBATO MUSIC)

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TWO PRIME EXAMPLES:

CBS AND ABC.

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INTRO: "THE POSTMAN

ALWAYS RINGS TWICE"

(MUSIC: GOSPEL INTERLUDE)

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§GRAPHIC: ROGER

FEINMAN

-GRAPHIC: ANOTHER

ROGER FEINMAN

V.O.

NARRATION:

FIRST, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO KNOW MY BIAS.

YOU ARE ENTITLED TO KNOW WHERE I STAND SO

THAT YOU CAN JUDGE FOR YOURSELVES HOW MUCH

WEIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE TO WHAT I'M

ABOUT TO TELL YOU. TWENTY-EIGHT YEARS

AGO, ON SEPTEMBER 7, 1976, I WAS FIRED BY

CBS NEWS FOR SENDING MEMOS TO ITS SENIOR

EXECUTIVES. I HAD WORKED AT CBS FOR

SEVERAL YEARS. IN THOSE MEMOS, SPREAD

OVER A NINE-MONTH PERIOD, I RAISED

QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER TWO MAJOR

DOCUMENTARIES ON THE WARREN REPORT

VIOLATED CBS'S OWN STANDARDS AND

PRACTICES. THE FIRST WAS BROADCAST IN

JUNE 1967; THE SECOND IN NOVEMBER 1975.

§GRAPHIC: THUMBNAILS

OF DECEMBER 1, 1975

MEMO TO RICHARD S.

SALANT

I STARTED BY WRITING TO THE PRESIDENT OF

CBS NEWS, RICHARD S. SALANT, ON DECEMBER

1, 1975.

§GRAPHIC: EXCERPTS

FROM DECEMBER 1, 1975

MEMO TO RICHARD S.

SALANT

IN THAT MEMO, I URGED SALANT TO APPOINT A

COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THOSE DOCUMENTARIES

FOR FAIRNESS AND ACCURACY. SALANT

DECLINED MY SUGGESTION AND AFFIRMED HIS

CONFIDENCE IN THE BROADCASTS.

§GRAPHIC: THUMBNAIL

OF AUGUST 18, 1976

LETTER TO BILL SMALL

I ENDED BY WRITING A LETTER TO THE SENIOR

VICE PRESIDENT OF CBS NEWS, BILL SMALL.

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§GRAPHIC: EXCERPTS

FROM AUGUST 18, 1976

LETTER TO BILL SMALL

CUT TO:

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPT

FROM AUGUST 18, 1976

LETTER TO BILL SMALL

V.O.

NARRATION:

HERE, I MOVED BEYOND RAISING QUESTIONS TO

PROTESTING WHAT I BELIEVED THEN AND STILL

BELIEVE WERE VIOLATIONS OF JOURNALISTIC

ETHICS IN THE CREATION OF THOSE

DOCUMENTARIES.

§GRAPHIC: WESTON

EXCERPT FROM AUGUST

18, 1976 LETTER TO

BILL SMALL

ONE OF MY COMPLAINTS CONCERNED DAN

RATHER'S INTERVIEW WITH DOCTOR JAMES

WESTON, A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST WHO WAS

ASKED BY CBS NEWS TO EXAMINE THE KENNEDY

AUTOPSY PHOTOGRAPHS AND X-RAYS IN THE

NATIONAL ARCHIVES. CBS HYPED THIS AS AN

INDEPENDENT EXAMINATION. THE VIEWING

AUDIENCE NEVER KNEW THAT, WHEN THE

INTERVIEW WAS TAPED, CBS PROVIDED DOCTOR

WESTON WITH VISUAL AIDS PREPARED BY A

UROLOGIST, DR. JOHN K. LATTIMER, WELLKNOWN

AS A LONGTIME DEFENDER OF THE WARREN

COMMISSION'S LONE ASSASSIN CONCLUSION.

§GRAPHIC:: EMERSON

STONE FILE MEMO

ALONG THE WAY, THE EXECUTIVES OF CBS NEWS

MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY WANTED ME TO

LEAVE. THEIR ONLY HESITATION IN FIRING ME

WAS THAT I WAS COVERED BY A UNION

CONTRACT. THIS IS A FILE MEMO WRITTEN BY

MY BOSS, EMERSON STONE, WHO WAS THE VICE

PRESIDENT FOR RADIO NEWS.

(PAUSE)

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V.O.

NARRATION:

I OBTAINED THIS MEMO FROM THE CBS LAW

DEPARTMENT DURING DISCOVERY PROCEEDINGS IN

LATER LITIGATION. YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE

MORE OF THOSE ITEMS AS WE GO ALONG.

§GRAPHIC: MEMO TO

ARTHUR TAYLOR

(CUT TO:)

FINALLY, AS THE END OF MY TIME AT CBS DREW

NEAR, I WENT OUTSIDE THE NEWS DIVISION.

ATTACHED TO THIS MEMO, I SENT A COPY OF MY

SMALL LETTER TO ARTHUR TAYLOR, WHO WAS AT

THAT TIME THE PRESIDENT OF CBS, INC., THE

PARENT CORPORATION.

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPT OF

MEMO TO ARTHUR TAYLOR

NOTICE THAT I TOLD TAYLOR I WAS PREPARED

TO BACK UP MY ALLEGATIONS WITH PROOF.

DURING THOSE NINE MONTHS, I HAD PREPARED

TO DO EXACTLY THAT. SO NOW, I'M GOING TO

TAKE YOU BEYOND YOUR TV SCREEN, BEHIND THE

CAMERAS, AND THROUGH THE DOORS OF

EXECUTIVE OFFICES THAT YOU, THE VIEWING

AUDIENCE, NEVER GET TO SEE.

§BUMPER: LINEUP #4

INTRO: "IN THE

HIGHEST PUBLIC

INTEREST"

(MUSIC:GOSPEL INTERLUDE)

§GRAPHIC: MANNING TO

SALANT, AUGUST 12,

1966

(CUT TO:)

BY THE SUMMER OF 1966, SEVERAL BOOKS AND

MAGAZINE ARTICLES CHALLENGED THE WARREN

REPORT'S CONCLUSIONS AND THE ADEQUACY OF

ITS INVESTIGATION INTO PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S

MURDER. CONTROVERSY MUSHROOMED THROUGHOUT

THE WORLD.

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(MANNING PHOTO

FLASHES)

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPT OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

AUGUST 12, 1966

V.O.

NARRATION:

IN AUGUST, GORDON MANNING, THEN A CBS NEWS

SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, RECEIVED A

SUGGESTION FROM BILL SMALL, THEN CHIEF OF

CBS'S WASHINGTON BUREAU, AND DANIEL

SCHORR, ONE OF CBS'S TOP WASHINGTON

CORRESPONDENTS. THEY PROPOSED A CBS NEWS

SPECIAL REPORT TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT

KENNEDY'S DEATH. HERE, MANNING RELAYS THE

IDEA TO THE PRESIDENT OF CBS NEWS, RICHARD

SALANT. SALANT REJECTED IT. BUT AS THE

CONTROVERSY INTENSIFIED, MANNING

PERSISTED.

§GRAPHIC: THUMBNAILS

OF MANNING TO SALANT,

OCTOBER 5, 1966

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPTS OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

OCTOBER 5, 1966

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPTS OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

OCTOBER 5, 1966

OCTOBER 5, 1966. MANNING PROPOSED A

TELEVISED DEBATE BETWEEN REPRESENTATIVES

OF THE WARREN COMMISSION AND THEIR

CRITICS. IT WOULD BE CALLED "THE WARREN

REPORT: A JUDICIAL REVIEW." ALTHOUGH

MANNING'S PROPOSAL DID NOT INVOLVE ANY

JUDGES, THE DEBATE WOULD BE MODERATED BY

THE DEAN OF A PROMINENT LAW SCHOOL, OR

MAYBE THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN BAR

ASSOCIATION. MANNING SEEMS TO HAVE HAD AN

OPEN MIND ABOUT THE WARREN REPORT. BUT

HIS MEMO REFLECTED SKEPTICISM AT CBS ABOUT

GIVING THE PROMINENT CRITICS OF THE DAY A

PLATFORM. HE REFERS TO EARLIER CONTACTS

WITH JOHN J. MCCLOY, A FORMER MEMBER OF

THE WARREN COMMISSION, WHO REFUSED TO

DEBATE WITH CRITICS SUCH AS MARK LANE,

EDWARD JAY EPSTEIN, AND LEO SAUVAGE.

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§GRAPHIC: LIFE

MAGAZINE COVER

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: MANNING TO

SALANT, NOVEMBER 29,

1966

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPTS OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

NOVEMBER 29, 1966

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPT OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

NOVEMBER 29, 1966

V.O.

NARRATION:

LIFE MAGAZINE WAS VERY WIDELY READ AND

INFLUENTIAL DURING THAT ERA. IN LATE

NOVEMBER, LIFE PUBLISHED EXTENSIVE STILLS

FROM THE ZAPRUDER FILM, AND AN INTERVIEW

WITH TEXAS GOVERNOR JOHN CONNALLY, WHO WAS

RIDING IN PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S LIMOUSINE

WHEN HE WAS ASSASSINATED. CONNALLY

DISPUTED A KEY FINDING OF THE WARREN

COMMISSION, THAT HE AND KENNEDY WERE BOTH

WOUNDED BY A SINGLE BULLET. LIFE URGED

THAT THE ASSASSINATION INVESTIGATION BE

REOPENED. ON NOVEMBER 29, MANNING AGAIN

PRESSES FOR A SPECIAL REPORT, TO BE CALLED

"THE TRIAL OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD." HERE, A

PANEL OF LAW SCHOOL DEANS WOULD EVALUATE

THE EVIDENCE IN A MOCK COURTROOM SETTING

---

--- INCLUDING EVIDENCE THAT THE WARREN

COMMISSION IGNORED. THE POINT TO REMEMBER

ABOUT MANNING'S CAMPAIGN FOR A CBS NEWS

SPECIAL: HE FAVORED GIVING SPOKESMEN FOR

BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE OVER THE WARREN

REPORT A CHANCE TO BE HEARD.

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§GRAPHIC: LESLIE

MIDGLEY

§GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY TO

SALANT, NOVEMBER 30,

1966

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY TO

SALANT, NOVEMBER 30,

1966, CONTINUES

V.O.

NARRATION:

NOW, MANNING IS JOINED BY AN EXECUTIVE

PRODUCER NAMED LESLIE MIDGLEY. IN 1964,

THE DAY THE WARREN REPORT WAS MADE PUBLIC,

MIDGLEY WAS IN CHARGE OF TRANSLATING IT

INTO A TWO-HOUR TELEVISION NEWS BROADCAST.

MIDGLEY NOW SUGGESTS, INSTEAD OF PUTTING

LEE HARVEY OSWALD ON TRIAL, THAT CBS PUT

"THE WARREN REPORT ON TRIAL" HERE, HE

SUBMITS AN OUTLINE FOR A MAJOR

INVESTIGATIVE REPORT TO CONSUME THREEHOURS,

POSSIBLY ONE HOUR ON THREE

CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS. ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS

WOULD BE DEVOTED ENTIRELY TO WITNESSES

WHOM THE WARREN COMMISSION EITHER

DISCOUNTED OR TOTALLY IGNORED. THE THIRD

NIGHT WOULD FEATURE A PANEL OF LAW SCHOOL

DEANS OR STATE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES, WHO

WOULD GIVE THEIR VERDICT.

§BUMPER: LINEUP #5

INTRO: "SLEEPLESS,

UNEASY THOUGHTS"

(MUSIC:GOSPEL INTERLUDE)

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§GRAPHIC: SALANT TO

SCHNEIDER, DECEMBER

1, 1966

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPT

FROM SALANT TO

SCHNEIDER, DECEMBER

1, 1966

V.O.

NARRATION:

THE POWER TO DEVOTE TIME ON THE AIR FOR A

CBS NEWS SPECIAL REPORT DID NOT REST WITH

SALANT. CBS PRESIDENT FRANK STANTON MADE

THOSE DECISIONS, WITH THE CONSENT OF

CHAIRMAN WILLIAM S. PALEY. THE NEXT DAY,

SALANT PROPOSES THE PROJECT TO THE

PRESIDENT OF THE CBS BROADCAST GROUP, JOHN

SCHNEIDER. HE SAYS HE MAY ALSO ASK

PERMISSION FROM THE "C-N-E-C" FOR CBS NEWS

TO STATE ITS OWN CONCLUSIONS. "C-N-E-C"

STOOD FOR "CBS NEWS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE."

LITTLE IS KNOWN ABOUT THE WORKINGS OF THIS

COMMITTEE, BUT ITS EXISTENCE, AND SALANT'S

ROLE IN IT, INDICATE HOW CBS NEWS WAS

MANAGED. TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT

TO THE MANNING-MIDGLEY IDEA OF AN EVENHANDED,

TWO-SIDED DEBATE OVER THE

ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY, WE

NEED TO PUT SALANT’S MEMO INTO CONTEXT.

§GRAPHIC: PHOTO OF

SALANT

WHO WAS RICHARD S. SALANT? A SON OF

PRIVILEGE AND A PRODUCT OF EXETER ACADEMY,

HARVARD COLLEGE, AND HARVARD LAW SCHOOL,

SALANT WAS A VERY BRIGHT LAWYER WITH A

SARDONIC AND OFTEN SCATHING WIT. IN 1952,

STANTON HAD RECRUITED HIM TO LEAVE PRIVATE

PRACTICE AND JOIN CBS AS A VICE-PRESIDENT

AND GENERAL EXECUTIVE, FOCUSING ON

LEGISLATIVE AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

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V.O.

NARRATION:

SALANT BECAME STANTON'S PROTEGE, RIGHTHAND

MAN, AND CLOSE FRIEND.

(PHOTO OF STANTON

APPEARS)

(SUPER NAME CAPTIONS)

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: MURROW

(SUPER: “EDWARD R.

MURROW”)

STANTON, THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF OPERATING

OFFICER OF CBS, WAS SECOND IN AUTHORITY

ONLY TO ITS FOUNDER AND CHAIRMAN, BILL

PALEY. HE WAS ALSO A CLOSE FRIEND AND

CONFIDANT OF PRESIDENT LYNDON JOHNSON, WHO

OWNED CBS-AFFILIATED RADIO AND TELEVISION

STATIONS IN TEXAS. JOHNSON REPORTEDLY

ONCE OFFERED STANTON A POST IN HIS

CABINET.

IN DECEMBER 1960, EDWARD R. MURROW'S ERA

AS THE STAR AND PUBLIC SYMBOL OF CBS NEWS

RAPIDLY NEARED ITS END. SALANT WAS

INSTRUMENTAL IN FORMING A MANAGEMENT

COMMITTEE CALLED THE CBS NEWS EXECUTIVE

COMMITTEE (C-N-E-C), WHICH HE INITIALLY

CHAIRED. IT INCLUDED PALEY, STANTON,

SCHNEIDER, AND SIG MICKELSON, THE

PRESIDENT OF CBS NEWS (WHOM SALANT WOULD

SOON REPLACE).

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-GRAPHIC: MURROW

FIRST (MCCARTHY

BROADCAST)

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: PHOTO

MONTAGE: SALANT,

STANTON, PALEY

(SUPER CAPTION PALEY)

V.O.

NARRATION:

THIS COMMITTEE TOOK CHARGE NOT ONLY OF

POLICY-MAKING FOR, BUT ALSO THE OPERATIONS

OF CBS NEWS. IT WAS A RESPONSE TO THE

VARIOUS CONTROVERSIES IN WHICH MURROW HAD

CONTINUED TO EMBROIL THE COMPANY LONG

AFTER HIS CONFRONTATION WITH SENATOR

JOSEPH MCCARTHY.

AS PALEY ONCE FAMOUSLY SAID TO MURROW AND

HIS PARTNER, FRED FRIENDLY, "I DON'T WANT

THIS CONSTANT STOMACH ACHE EVERY TIME YOU

DO A CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT."

THE ESTABLISHMENT OF C-N-E-C EFFECTIVELY

CURTAILED THE NEWS DIVISION’S

INDEPENDENCE. A SHORT TIME LATER, SALANT

BECAME PRESIDENT OF CBS NEWS. ALTHOUGH HE

QUICKLY ASSUMED THE MANTLE OF A

JOURNALIST, HE HAD NO JOURNALISM

BACKGROUND, EDUCATION, OR EXPERIENCE.

SALANT FREQUENTLY TOUTED THE AUTONOMY,

INDEPENDENCE AND SEPARATION OF CBS NEWS

FROM THE PARENT CORPORATION. IN FACT, AS

SALANT WOULD LATER WRITE IN HIS MEMOIRS,

AS PRESIDENT OF CBS NEWS HE HAD ALMOST

DAILY PERSONAL GIVE-AND-TAKE WITH STANTON.

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§GRAPHIC: ROGER

FEINMAN

-GRAPHIC: ANOTHER

ROGER FEINMAN

V.O.

NARRATION:

HE FREQUENTLY EXERCISED EDITORIAL

SUPERVISION OVER CBS NEWS BROADCASTS.

WHAT IS CURIOUSLY ABSENT FROM HIS MEMOIRS

AND PUBLIC PAPERS IS ANY EVIDENCE OF

EITHER HIS EDITORIAL SUPERVISION OR HIS

LIASON BETWEEN THE NEWS DIVISION AND THE

C-N-E-C. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY IMPORTANT

GAP IN HIS PAPERS. NOT ONLY ARE HIS

PUBLIC PAPERS COMPLETELY DEVOID OF THE

MATERIAL YOU SEE HERE, BUT HIS MEMOIRS ARE

COMPLETELY SILENT ABOUT THESE WARREN

REPORT DOCUMENTARIES. IN THE DOZENS OF

BOOKS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT THE

HISTORY OF CBS, VERY LITTLE HAS BEEN SAID

ABOUT C-N-E-C. REGARDLESS, ITS VERY

PURPOSE AND EXISTENCE BELIED SALANT'S

FREQUENT PUBLIC ASSERTIONS OF CBS NEWS'S

INDEPENDENCE FROM CORPORATE INFLUENCE.

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§GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY &

MANNING TO SALANT,

DECEMBER 1, 1966

V.O.

NARRATION:

EXCITED ABOUT SALANT'S PROPOSAL TO SENIOR

CORPORATE MANAGEMENT, MANNING AND MIDGLEY

IMMEDIATELY OUTLINE THEIR VISION FOR THE

THREE-NIGHT SPECIAL REPORT, "THE WARREN

REPORT ON TRIAL."

§GRAPHIC: EXCERPT

FROM MIDGLEY &

MANNING TO SALANT,

DECEMBER 1, 1966

IN A COURTROOM SETTING, THE PROSECUTION

WILL PRESENT ITS CASE THE FIRST NIGHT,

FOLLOWED BY THE DEFENSE. THEN, BOTH SIDES

WILL SUM UP TO A PANEL OF LAW SCHOOL

DEANS, WHO WILL RETIRE TO CONSIDER THEIR

VERDICT.

§GRAPHIC: EXCERPT

FROM MIDGLEY &

MANNING TO SALANT,

DECEMBER 1, 1966

(SILENT)

§GRAPHIC: SALANT TO

MANNING, DECEMBER 2,

1966

THE NEXT DAY, HOWEVER – THE DAY AFTER

SENDING THE PROPOSAL TO CBS CORPORATE

MANAGEMENT – SALANT TELLS MANNING HE IS

HAVING UNEASY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE TRIAL

FORMAT. MANNING ADVISES MIDGLEY THAT

SALANT'S ENTHUSIASM FOR THE TWO-SIDED

PRESENTATION IS WANING.

§BUMPER: LINEUP #6

INTRO: "IN DEFENSE OF

THE WARREN REPORT"

(MUSIC:GOSPEL INTERLUDE)

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§GRAPHIC: MANNING TO

SALANT, DECEMBER 30,

1966

V.O.

NARRATION:

LATER THAT MONTH, SALANT SENDS MANNING AND

MIDGLEY TO CALIFORNIA TO MEET WITH TWO

PROMINENT MEMBERS OF THE LEGAL PROFESSION.

MANNING'S REPORT ON THE TRIP IS A HASTILY

COMPOSED MEMO WITH NUMEROUS HANDWRITTEN

INSERTIONS. IT MARKS AN IMPORTANT TURNING

POINT IN THE WORK CBS NEWS DID ON THE

KENNEDY ASSASSINATION. ONE OF THE TWO

LAWYERS IS EDWIN HUDDLESON, A PARTNER IN

THE SAN FRANCISCO LAW FIRM OF COOLEY,

GODWARD, CASTRO AND HUDDLESON. HE WAS

RICHARD SALANT'S LAW SCHOOL CLASSMATE AT

HARVARD. HUDDLESON IS A MEMBER OF THE

BOARD OF THE RAND CORPORATION, WHILE CBS

PRESIDENT FRANK STANTON SERVES AS ITS

CHAIRMAN. IT IS HUDDLESON WHO BRINGS THE

NOBEL PRIZE-WINNING PHYSICIST LUIS ALVAREZ

TO STANTON AT CBS WITH AN IDEA ABOUT HOW

TO PROVE THE WARREN COMMISSION CORRECT BY

ANALYZING JIGGLES IN THE ZAPRUDER FILM.

THE OTHER LAWYER IS BAYLESS MANNING, DEAN

OF THE LAW SCHOOL AT STANFORD UNIVERSITY.

§GRAPHIC: EXCERPT OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

DECEMBER 30, 1966

BOTH HUDDLESON AND MANNING TELL THE CBS

EXECUTIVES THEY ARE AGAINST CBS

UNDERTAKING A MAJOR REVIEW OF THE WARREN

REPORT. THEY CITE "THE NATIONAL INTEREST"

AND "POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS" AS PART OF

THEIR REASONING.

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§GRAPHIC: EXCERPT OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

DECEMBER 30, 1966

V.O.

NARRATION:

BAYLESS MANNING SUGGESTS THAT CBS IGNORE

THE CRITICS, OR AT THE MOST CONVENE A

PANEL TO REVIEW AND CRITICIZE THEIR BOOKS.

ACCORDING TO GORDON MANNING OF CBS, BOTH

LAWYERS TAKE THE SIDE OF THE WARREN REPORT

AND THE ESTABLISHMENT. LET THE MATTER

REST, THEY ADVISE.

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§GRAPHIC: EXCERPT OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

DECEMBER 30, 1966

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPT OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

DECEMBER 30, 1966

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXCERPT OF

MANNING TO SALANT,

DECEMBER 30, 1966

V.O.

NARRATION:

CLEARLY SENSING THAT THE WIND HAS SHIFTED

AGAINST HIM, GORDON MANNING, FOR FIVE

MONTHS THE LEADING PROPONENT OF A

TELEVISED DEBATE, NOW DOES AN ABOUT-FACE.

HE PROPOSES CHANGING THE PROJECT TO "IN

DEFENSE OF THE WARREN REPORT," AND

PRESENTING MORE CONVINCING EVIDENCE OF ITS

LONE ASSASSIN CONCLUSION. CBS WOULD

DISMISS WHAT HE NOW CALLS "THE INANE,

IRRESPONSIBLE, AND HARE-BRAINED CHALLENGES

OF MARK LANE AND OTHERS OF THAT STRIPE."

HE INDICATES THAT MIDGLEY DOES NOT AGREE

WITH THIS OBVIOUSLY DRAMATIC REVISION OF

THEIR PREVIOUS PLAN. IN A MARGINAL

NOTATION, MANNING TELLS MIDGLEY HE IS FREE

TO EXPRESS HIS DISAGREEMENT, BUT MANNING

HAS LEFT MIDGLEY OUT ON A LIMB BY

HIMSELF.

BY THIS TIME, HOWEVER, ANOTHER INFLUENCE

HAS POSSIBLY CONTRIBUTED TO MANNING'S

TURNAROUND. SALANT HAS INVITED A NEW

PLAYER TO JOIN CBS NEWS'S PREPARATION OF

THE WARREN REPORT BROADCASTS AS A SECRET

COLLABORATOR. HIS CLANDESTINE, BEHINDTHE-

SCENES ROLE BRINGS THE INDEPENDENCE

AND OBJECTIVITY OF THE CBS EFFORT INTO

SERIOUS QUESTION.

§BUMPER: LINEUP #7

INTRO: "THE

DIPLOMATIC POUCH"

(MUSIC:GOSPEL INTERLUDE)

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§GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY

DISCUSSION MEMO,

DECEMBER 14, 1966

V.O.

NARRATION:

THIS IS A DISCUSSION MEMO WRITTEN BY

LESLIE MIDGLEY ON DECEMBER 14, 1966. IN

IT, HE EXPLAINS HOW HE INTENDS TO APPROACH

THE JOB OF PRODUCING THE CBS SPECIALS ON

THE WARREN REPORT. ONCE AGAIN, HE ARGUES

FOR THE INCLUSION OF "AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE

CAN FIND WHOSE TESTIMONY IS PERTINENT, AND

WHO WERE DISCOUNTED OR NOT EVEN HEARD BY

THE COMMISSION."

§GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY

DISCUSSION MEMO,

DECEMBER 14, 1966,

PAGE 5

MIDGLEY WANTS TO CONDUCT EXPERIMENTS THAT

ARE "MORE SCIENTIFIC" THAN "THE RIDICULOUS

ONES RUN BY THE FBI." AND THE CRITICS

HAVE CONVINCED HIM THAT THE ORGANIZATION

AND OPERATION OF THE WARREN COMMISSION WAS

"ALMOST INCREDIBLY INADEQUATE." AT THIS

POINT, MIDGLEY IS STILL PUSHING FOR A MOCK

TRIAL OF THE WARREN REPORT.

§GRAPHIC: MCCLOY

RESPONSE

(SUPER ENLARGEMENT OF

MCCLOY RESPONSE

HEADER)

(PHOTO OF MCCLOY)

SOON, SALANT CIRCULATES TO HIS COLLEAGUES

AN ANONYMOUS, PARAGRAPH-BY-PARAGRAPH

REBUTTAL TO MIDGLEY'S BROADSIDE. ALTHOUGH

UNDATED AND UNSIGNED, IT COMES FROM FORMER

WARREN COMMISSION MEMBER JOHN J. MCCLOY.

THE DOCUMENT CONTAINS A HANDWRITTEN

ANNOTATION BY MCCLOY'S DAUGHTER, ELLEN.

SHE WORKS FOR RICHARD SALANT AS HIS

ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AT CBS NEWS.

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§GRAPHIC: MCCLOY

RESPONSE PAGE 3

V.O.

NARRATION:

MCCLOY IS OFFENDED BY MIDGLEY’S

DESCRIPTION OF THE WARREN COMMISSION’S

ORGANIZATION AND OPERATION AS “INCREDIBLY

INADEQUATE.” HE CHASTISES MIDGLEY FOR

ACCEPTING A CRITIQUE BY EDWARD JAY

EPSTEIN. AND HE ADDS, “THE CHIEF EVIDENCE

THAT OSWALD ACTED ALONE AND SHOT ALONE IS

NOT TO BE FOUND IN THE BALLISTICS AND

PATHOLOGY OF THE ASSASSINATION, BUT IN THE

FACT OF HIS LONER LIFE.”

§GRAPHICS:MEMOS

COPIED TO MCCLOY

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TO NEXT)

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: SALANT TO

MIDGLEY APRIL 26,

1967 W/PHOTO OF LBJ &

MCCLOY

BEGINNING IN MID-DECEMBER 1966, MCCLOY'S

DAUGHTER WILL BE ON THE DISTRIBUTION LISTS

OF MOST OF THE EXECUTIVE MEMOS, SCRIPT

OUTLINES, AND DRAFT SCRIPTS RELATED TO THE

WARREN REPORT SERIES. SHE WILL TAKE THEM

TO HER FATHER AND RELAY HIS COMMENTS BACK

TO THE EXECUTIVE SUITES. THIS

COLLABORATION IS INTERRUPTED ONLY WHEN

MCCLOY TRAVELS ABROAD FROM FEBRUARY UNTIL

LATE APRIL 1967. PRESIDENT JOHNSON ASKS

HIM TO NEGOTIATE A FOREIGN EXCHANGE OFFSET

PROBLEM INVOLVED IN MAINTAINING BRITISH

AND AMERICAN TROOPS IN WEST GERMANY.

§GRAPHICS:MORE MEMOS

COPIED TO MCCLOY

(FADE IN AND DISSOLVE

TO NEXT)

HERE SALANT ASKS MIDGLEY: “IS THE QUESTION

WHETHER OSWALD WAS A CIA OR FBI INFORMANT

REALLY SO SUBSTANTIAL THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL

WITH IT?” MIDGLEY ANSWERS: “YES, WE MUST

TREAT IT.”

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§GRAPHIC: SALANT TO

MIDGLEY MAY 15, 1967

V.O.

NARRATION:

NO CRITIC OF THE WARREN REPORT IS GIVEN

SIMILAR ACCESS TO CBS NEWS INTERNAL

WORKING PAPERS. LOWER-LEVEL ASSOCIATE

PRODUCERS REMAIN UNAWARE OF THE SECRET

COLLABORATION, WHICH ALMOST CERTAINLY

VIOLATED CBS NEWS POLICIES.

§BUMPER: LINEUP #8

INTRO: "NOT A BRIBE .

. . JUST A GIFT"

(MUSIC:GOSPEL INTERLUDE)

§GRAPHIC: FEINMAN TO

MCCLOY MARCH 11, 1977

-GRAPHIC: MCCLOY TO

FEINMAN MARCH 31,

1977

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

MCCLOY TO FEINMAN

MARCH 31, 1977

V.O.

NARRATION:

IN MARCH 1977, I WROTE TO MCCLOY ASKING

FOR AN INTERVIEW ABOUT HIS BEHIND-THESCENES

RELATIONSHIP WITH CBS IN 1967.

MCCLOY DECLINED TO BE INTERVIEWED,

CLAIMING HE COULD NOT RECALL GIVING CBS

ANY ADVICE ON THE PREPARATION OF THEIR

SCRIPT.

§GRAPHIC: FEINMAN TO

MCCLOY APRIL 4, 1977

ANXIOUS TO MAKE A RECORD THAT I HAD GIVEN

MCCLOY A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN, I

WROTE HIM AGAIN, THIS TIME LAYING OUT THE

DETAILS I HAD LEARNED.

§GRAPHIC: MCCLOY TO

SALANT APRIL 5, 1977

THE NEXT DAY, MCCLOY WROTE TO SALANT AT

CBS NEWS. THIS IS ANOTHER DOCUMENT I

OBTAINED FROM THE CBS LAW DEPARTMENT. THE

HANDWRITING IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER

IS SALANT’S. HE IS INSTRUCTING LES

MIDGLEY TO PULL HIS FILES AND DETERMINE IF

THEY HOLD ANY EVIDENCE OF THE SECRET

COLLABORATION.

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§GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

MCCLOY TO SALANT

APRIL 5, 1977

V.O.

NARRATION:

MCCLOY DENIES THAT HE WAS EVER GIVEN OR

SAW CBS MEMORANDA OR DRAFTS RELATING TO

THE ASSASSINATION, BUT HE SUGGESTS THAT

SALANT LOOK OVER WHATEVER RECORDS HE HAS.

§GRAPHIC: SALANT TO

MCCLOY APRIL 11, 1977

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-GRAPHIC: (EXTRACT OF

SALANT TO MCCLOY

APRIL 11, 1977)

ANOTHER DOCUMENT PROVIDED BY THE CBS LAW

DEPARTMENT. APRIL 11, 1977, SALANT

REPLIES . . .

STATING EMPHATICALLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY

THAT AT NO TIME DID ELLEN MCCLOY EVER

SERVE AS A LIASON OR CONDUIT BETWEEN HER

FATHER AND CBS NEWS.

§GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

SALANT TO MCCLOY

APRIL 11, 1977

(SILENT)

§GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

SALANT TO MCCLOY

APRIL 11, 1977

(SILENT)

§GRAPHICS:

HANDWRITTEN NOTES

(FADE IN AND DISSOLVE

TO NEXT)

V.O.

NARRATION:

MCCLOY DIED IN 1990. BUT IN 1992, A

REPORTER FOR THE VILLAGE VOICE CONFRONTED

BOTH SALANT AND ELLEN MCCLOY WITH COPIES

OF THE DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE SEEN AND THESE

NOTES IN HER HANDWRITING. MISS MCCLOY

ADMITTED ACTING AS A CONDUIT. SALANT,

WHILE NOT DISPUTING AN ARRANGEMENT HE HAD

ONCE VEHEMENTLY DENIED, NOW CLAIMED THERE

WAS NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT IT.

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§GRAPHIC: HANDWRITTEN

NOTE

V.O.

NARRATION:

BUT THIS NOTE, FROM ELLEN MCCLOY TO LES

MIDGLEY, IMPLIES AT THE VERY LEAST THAT

JOHN J. MCCLOY FELT UNUSUALLY COMFORTABLE

IN HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE EXECUTIVES OF

CBS NEWS EVEN AS THEY PREPARED A

PURPORTEDLY INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIVE

REPORT ABOUT THE WARREN COMMISSION. THE

REFERENCE TO “LUCI’S BABY” PERTAINS TO

LUCI JOHNSON NUGENT, PRESIDENT JOHNSON’S

DAUGHTER.

§GRAPHIC: FURNESS

(FURNESS AS

WESTINGHOUSE GIRL)

-GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY &

FURNESS

WHILE PRODUCING THE 1967 SERIES ON THE

WARREN REPORT, LESLIE MIDGLEY BECAME

ENGAGED TO MARRY BETTY FURNESS, THE FORMER

ACTRESS AND TELEVISION COMMERCIAL

SPOKESWOMAN. LYNDON JOHNSON THEN APPOINTED

FURNESS HIS SPECIAL ASSISTANT FOR CONSUMER

AFFAIRS. HER MAIN QUALIFICATION FOR THE

JOB SEEMED TO BE ELEVEN YEARS OF SELLING

WESTINGHOUSE APPLIANCES ON TV. SHE WAS

SWORN IN ON APRIL 27, 1967, LESS THAN TWO

MONTHS BEFORE THE WARREN REPORT SERIES WAS

BROADCAST. TWO WEEKS AFTER THE WARREN

REPORT SERIES AIRED, MIDGLEY AND FURNESS

WERE MARRIED. AT THE SAME TIME, MIDGLEY

WAS PROMOTED TO EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF THE

CBS EVENING NEWS WITH WALTER CRONKITE,

MAKING HIM THE NUMBER ONE EDITOR AT CBS

NEWS.

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§BUMPER: LINEUP #9

(INTRO: "DESIGNED TO

RATHER LOOSE

STANDARDS")

-GRAPHIC: ROGER

FEINMAN

V.O.

NARRATION:

WE HAVE SEEN HOW THE 1967 CBS SERIES ON

THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION TOOK FLIGHT, AND

HOW IT VEERED OFF COURSE FROM AN EVENHANDED

DEBATE TO A DEFENSE OF THE WARREN

REPORT, AIDED SECRETLY BY A MEMBER OF THE

COMMISSION. BUT HOW DID THESE

DEVELOPMENTS AFFECT THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT

THE VIEWING AUDIENCE FINALLY SAW OR NEVER

GOT THE CHANCE TO SEE? WHILE IT’S

IMPOSSIBLE IN THIS FORMAT TO EXAMINE EVERY

ASPECT OF THE BROADCASTS, HERE ARE A FEW

EXAMPLES OF SUPPRESSION AND DISTORTION.

§GRAPHIC: VIEW FROM

TSBD SIXTH-FLOOR

WINDOW

LIKE THE WARREN COMMISSION, CBS’S THEORY

CALLED FOR NO MORE THAN THREE SHOTS FIRED

DURING THE ASSASSINATION. BUT CBS HAD TO

FACE THE SAME PROBLEM OF TIMING THAT VEXED

THE COMMISSION. THE FBI AND SECRET

SERVICE HAD DETERMINED IN THEIR ON-SITE

RECONSTRUCTIONS THAT AN OAK TREE PARTIALLY

BLOCKED THE PRESIDENT FROM THE VIEW OF AN

ASSASSIN LURKING IN THE SIXTH FLOOR WINDOW

FROM ZAPRUDER FRAME 166 UNTIL FRAME 209,

EXCEPT PERHAPS FOR A SINGLE FRAME AT Z-186

WHEN THERE MAY HAVE BEEN AN OPENING IN THE

FOLIAGE. EVEN THE WARREN COMMISSION

REJECTED THE IDEA OF A SHOT THROUGH THE

TREE.

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-GRAPHIC: ROGER

FEINMAN

V.O.

NARRATION:

THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME TO REACT, AND THE

ASSASSIN WAS ABOUT TO ENJOY AN

UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW ONCE THE PRESIDENT

EMERGED FROM UNDER THE TREE AT FRAME 210.

THE COMMISSION ALSO COULDN'T SWALLOW THE

IDEA THAT A SHOT AT SUCH CLOSE RANGE WOULD

HAVE COMPLETELY MISSED THE LIMOUSINE, AND

THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT IT HAD

PENETRATED THE TREE. WITH THE ZAPRUDER

FILM SERVING AS A CLOCK STARTING WITH A

FIRST SHOT AT FRAME 210, THAT LEFT A

WINDOW OF 103 FRAMES BEFORE THE OBVIOUSLY

FATAL WOUNDING OF KENNEDY.

HOW COULD ONE MAN HAVE CAUSED ALL THE

WOUNDS TO BOTH KENNEDY AND GOVERNOR JOHN

CONNALLY IN JUST 5.6 SECONDS? IN ITS

BROADCASTS, CBS GAVE TWO ANSWERS INTENDED

TO EXPAND THE TIME FRAME OF THE

ASSASSINATION: OSWALD HAD INDEED FIRED THE

FIRST SHOT THROUGH THE TREE AND MISSED.

ALSO, ZAPRUDER’S CAMERA WAS RUNNING SLOWER

THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT. TOGETHER, THESE

THEORIES ALLOWED MORE TIME FOR THREE

SHOTS.

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§GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY TO

SALANT FEBRUARY 23,

1967

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-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

MIDGLEY TO SALANT

FEBRUARY 23, 1967

V.O.

NARRATION:

CBS NEWS HIRED PHOTOANALYST CHARLES

WYCKOFF TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE JIGGLE

ANALYSIS OF THE ZAPRUDER FILM FIRST

PROPOSED BY DR. LUIS ALVAREZ. AS

BROADCAST BY CBS, DAN RATHER’S INTERVIEW

WITH WYCKOFF SUGGESTED THAT HE HAD FOUND

THREE “EVENTS” – JERKY MOTIONS IN THE FILM

– INDICATING THAT ZAPRUDER HAD BEEN

STARTLED AT THREE POINTS, PRESUMABLY BY

THREE RIFLE SHOTS. BUT AS THIS MEMO FROM

MIDGLEY TO SALANT AND DAN RATHER’S UNCUT

INTERVIEW WITH WYCKOFF BOTH SHOW, CBS WAS

AWARE THAT HE HAD ACTUALLY DISCOVERED FOUR

DISTURBANCES. ONE OF THE FOUR, HE

APPARENTLY DECIDED, WAS DUE TO THE SOUND

OF A SIREN. HOW WYCKOFF DISTINGUISHED

BETWEEN THE SOUNDS OF RIFLE FIRE AND A

SIREN ON AN EIGHT-MILLIMETER SILENT FILM

IS AN ELUSIVE QUESTION, BUT IT GAVE CBS NO

PAUSE WHATSOEVER. WHEN THE SHOW AIRED,

THE NUMBER OF BLURS WAS WHITTLED DOWN TO

JUST THREE. IN FACT, THE ZAPRUDER FILM

CONTAINS SEVERAL MORE JIGGLES.

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§GRAPHIC: SALANT TO

MIDGLEY MAY 15, 1967

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-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

SALANT TO MIDGLEY MAY

15, 1967

V.O.

NARRATION:

CBS WAS NOT PERMITTED TO TEST THE ACTUAL

ZAPRUDER MOVIE CAMERA. BOTH THE FBI AND

BELL & HOWELL, THE CAMERA’S MANUFACTURER,

TESTED ITS SPEED AT 18.3 FRAMES PER

SECOND. CBS CONCLUDED ON THE BASIS OF

TESTING SIMILAR CAMERAS THAT ZAPRUDER’S

MUST HAVE BEEN RUNNING SLOWER. BUT THIS

CONCLUSION WAS BELIED BY RICHARD SALANT’S

OWN ANALYSIS THAT THE CBS TESTS WERE

LOGICALLY INCONCLUSIVE AND UNPERSUASIVE.

§GRAPHIC: DIAGRAM OF

TAGUE POSITION

(TIMED OVERLAY OF

CURBSTONE PHOTO)

ANOTHER TACTIC USED BY CBS TO BOLSTER THE

LONE ASSASSIN THEORY WAS TO TOTALLY IGNORE

THE WOUNDING OF JAMES TAGUE, A SPECTATOR

STANDING NEAR THE TRIPLE OVERPASS, 535

FEET FROM THE SO-CALLED “OSWALD WINDOW.”

TAGUE’S FACE WAS CUT BY THE RICOCHET OF A

MISSILE THAT STRUCK A CURBSTONE NEARBY.

THERE IS NO MENTION OF THIS INCIDENT

ANYWHERE IN THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THE FOUR

ONE-HOUR BROADCASTS.

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§GRAPHIC: H.P. WHITE

BEL AIR MOCK UP

V.O.

NARRATION:

CBS WAS NOT PERMITTED TO TEST THE

MANNLICHER-CARCANO RIFLE THAT THE

GOVERNMENT ALLEGES OSWALD USED TO

ASSASSINATE THE PRESIDENT. TO PROVE THAT

HE COULD HAVE FIRED THREE SHOTS WITHIN THE

TIME FRAME ALLOWED BY THE WARREN

COMMISSION, CBS OBTAINED ITS OWN

MANNLICHER-CARCANO AND SIMILAR AMMUNITION.

THEY BUILT A FIRING RANGE WITH MOVING

TARGETS TO SIMULATE THE GEOMETRY OF DEALEY

PLAZA, EXCEPT THAT THE TRACK WAS STRAIGHT,

NOT CURVED LIKE ELM STREET. THE TARGETS,

SIMILAR TO STANDARD FBI TARGETS, FEATURED

OVERSIZE ORANGE SILHOUETTES ON A FOUR-BYFOUR-

FOOT BLUE BACKGROUND. THEN THEY

HIRED ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS SHARPSHOOTERS

OF THE DAY, RETIRED ARMY COLONEL EDWARD B.

CROSSMAN. CROSSMAN WAS THE AUTHOR OF MANY

BOOKS AND MAGAZINE ARTICLES FOR GUN

ENTHUSIASTS, WRITING UNDER THE PEN NAME

“COLONEL JIM CROSSMAN.”

§GRAPHIC: LISTER TO

MIDGLEY FEBRUARY 3,

1967

CBS ALLOWED CROSSMAN A FULL WEEK TO

FAMILIARIZE HIMSELF WITH ITS COPY OF THE

MANNLICHER-CARCANO. THEN, AT THE END OF

JANUARY 1967, THEY GAVE HIM SIX CHANCES TO

DUPLICATE OSWALD’S ALLEGED FEAT. THIS

MEMO REPORTED THE RESULTS.

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§GRAPHIC: (EXTRACT OF

LISTER TO MIDGLEY

FEBRUARY 3, 1967)

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-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

LISTER TO MIDGLEY

FEBRUARY 3, 1967

V.O.

NARRATION:

CROSSMAN FAILED TO BREAK SIX-AND-ONEQUARTER

SECONDS. HE SCORED TWO OUT OF

THREE HITS IN ONLY ONE-HALF OF HIS

ATTEMPTS.

THE MEMO DESCRIBES CROSSMAN’S DIFFICULTY

WITH THE STICKY BOLT ACTION OF THE RIFLE.

CROSSMAN ALSO HAD TO COMPENSATE FOR A

FAULTY SCOPE. (THE FBI HAD FOUND IT

NECESSARY TO ALTER THE MOUNTING OF THE

SCOPE ON THE ALLEGED ASSASSINATION

WEAPON.)

§TEXT: RATHER

INTERVIEWS CROSSMAN

(CUT TO:)

-TEXT: RATHER

INTERVIEW CROSSMAN

DAN RATHER INTERVIEWED CROSSMAN ON FILM

IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE TEST. CROSSMAN

DESCRIBED THE RIFLE AS “NOT VERY

ACCURATE.” HITTING THE TARGET WITH TWO

OUT OF THREE SHOTS, HE SAID, WOULD REQUIRE

A LARGE ELEMENT OF LUCK. CBS COMPLETELY

DISCARDED THE CROSSMAN TEST AND HIS

INTERVIEW, AND MADE NO MENTION OF THEM ON

THE AIR.

§GRAPHIC: MARKSMEN

TEST RESULTS

IN ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO PROVE THE LONE

ASSASSIN THEORY, CBS ASSEMBLED ELEVEN

EXPERT MARKSMEN. AFTER GIVING THEM AMPLE

TIME TO PRACTICE WITH THE RIFLE AT AN

INDOOR RIFLE RANGE, CBS FILMED THEM AT ITS

OUTDOOR MOCK-UP OF DEALEY PLAZA.

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§GRAPHICS: INDIVIDUAL

MARKSMAN TEST RESULTS

(FADE IN AND DISSOLVE

TO NEXT)

V.O.

NARRATION:

TIME WAS RECORDED IN ONLY 20 OUT OF 37

ATTEMPTS TO FIRE THREE SHOTS AT THE MOVING

TARGET. IN THE OTHER 17 ATTEMPTS, EITHER A

BULLET JAMMED DURING THE BOLT-CYCLING

PROCESS, RESULTING IN NO TIME, OR THE

STICKY BOLT SLOWED THE RIFLEMAN SO MUCH

THAT THE TARGET COMPLETED ITS RUN BEFORE

HE COULD GET OFF HIS THIRD SHOT.

§GRAPHIC: DONAHUE

TEST RESULT

ONLY THREE OF THE ELEVEN MARKSMEN WERE

ABLE TO SCORE AT LEAST TWO HITS IN LESS

THAN 5.6 SECONDS. HOWARD DONAHUE SCORED

THE BEST ON HIS THIRD TRY, BUT ONLY AFTER

HIS FIRST TWO ATTEMPTS FAILED COMPLETELY.

§GRAPHIC: RIFLE TEST

CONCLUSION

ALTHOUGH CBS CLAIMED AN AVERAGE RECORDED

TIME OF 5.6 SECONDS, THEY FAILED TO TELL

VIEWERS THAT THOSE 20 RESULTS AVERAGED

ONLY 1.2 OUT OF THREE HITS. STILL, CBS

PROVED THAT IT WAS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE FOR

THREE OUT OF A DOZEN EXPERT MARKSMEN TO

OPERATE A RIFLE SIMILAR TO THE

ASSASSINATION WEAPON WITHIN THE

COMMISSION’S TIME FRAME.

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§GRAPHIC: MANNLICHERCARCANO

RIFLE

-VIDEO: ZOOM RIFLE

§GRAPHIC: ROGER

FEINMAN

V.O.

NARRATION:

WHAT IS STRIKING ABOUT THE CBS RIFLE TESTS

IS NOT THE ACTUAL RESULTS, BUT HOW MANY

TIMES ITS MARKSMEN FAILED TO GET RESULTS;

BECAUSE, ANYTIME THE RIFLE WAS LOADED WITH

LIVE AMMUNITION, THE BOLT ACTION JAMMED

MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. SOME OF THE RIFLEMEN

HAD TO TAKE THE RIFLE OFF THEIR SHOULDERS

BETWEEN SHOTS TO GET BETTER LEVERAGE ON

THE BOLT. THEN THE PROBLEM BECAME

REACQUIRING THE TARGET THROUGH THE SCOPE,

TRACKING IT, AND SQUEEZING OFF A SHOT.

USING IT IN THIS ASSASSINATION WOULD HAVE

REQUIRED AN EXPERT EXPERIENCED ENOUGH (AND

PRACTICED ENOUGH) TO COMPENSATE FOR ITS

STICKY BOLT ACTION AND FAULTY SCOPE. AS

CROSSMAN SAID, AN EXPERT USING THIS WEAPON

HAD A REASONABLE CHANCE AT HITTING

SOMETHING – NOT NECESSARILY PLACING HIS

SHOTS PRECISELY WHERE HE WANTED; SOMEONE

WITH OSWALD'S ABILITY USING THIS WEAPON

WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE A VERY LUCKY DAY.

EVEN IF HE WAS A HIGHLY SKILLED MARKSMAN,

THE WARREN REPORT OFFERED NO EVIDENCE THAT

OSWALD HAD FIRED ANY RIFLE – LET ALONE

PRACTICED FIRING THE ASSASSINATION RIFLE -

- DURING THE TWELVE MONTHS BEFORE THE

CRIME. REGARDLESS, CBS CONCLUDED THAT

OSWALD COULD HAVE FIRED ACCURATELY AND

FAST ENOUGH.

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§BUMPER: LINEUP #10

INTRO: "A MOST

IMPORTANT DOCUMENT”

§GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY TO

SALANT MAY 25, 1967

V.O.

NARRATION:

ON THE AFTERNOON OF THE ASSASSINATION, TWO

OF THE DOCTORS WHO TRIED TO SAVE PRESIDENT

KENNEDY HELD A NEWS CONFERENCE AT PARKLAND

HOSPITAL. THE NEWS MEDIA QUOTED THEM AS

SAYING A BULLET HAD ENTERED THE

PRESIDENT’S THROAT, AN OPINION

INCONSISTENT WITH AN ASSASSIN SHOOTING

FROM BEHIND. TESTIFYING TO THE WARREN

COMMISSION, THEY REPUDIATED THESE NEWS

REPORTS. FOR YEARS, ASSASSINATION

RESEARCHERS WERE UNABLE TO LOCATE A TAPE

OR TRANSCRIPT OF THE NEWS CONFERENCE. ONE

AUTHOR ALLEGED THAT THE FBI HAD SEIZED ALL

AVAILABLE TAPES AND FILMS FROM RADIO AND

TELEVISION STATIONS. BUT IN MAY 1967, CBS

WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT ROBERT PIERPOINT

DISCOVERED AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT IN THE

WHITE HOUSE PRESS OFFICE.

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§GRAPHIC: PRESS

CONFERENCE TRANSCRIPT

UNALTERED

V.O.

NARRATION:

THE IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT THIS TRANSCRIPT

IS NOT WHAT THE DOCTORS SAID OR WHETHER

THEY WERE CORRECT. IT IS THAT THE WARREN

COMMISSION HAD ALSO SOUGHT THIS DOCUMENT.

THE COMMISSION ASKED THE SECRET SERVICE

FOR A TAPE OR TRANSCRIPT, BUT THE SECRET

SERVICE REPLIED THAT THEY COULD NOT LOCATE

EITHER AFTER AN EXTENSIVE SEARCH. YET, IT

WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE ALL THE TIME. ON

THIS COPY FOUND BY PIERPOINT IN MAY 1967,

THE PRESS CONFERENCE IS NUMBERED 1327-C OF

THE KENNEDY ADMINISTRATION. IF IT WAS

PART OF THE KENNEDY ADMINISTRATION’S

RECORDS, ONE MIGHT HAVE REASONABLY

EXPECTED IT TO GO TO KENNEDY’S LIBRARY IN

MASSACHUSETTS.

§GRAPHIC: PRESS

CONFERENCE TRANSCRIPT

ALTERED

BUT IN THIS COPY, WHICH WAS LATER FILED AT

THE JOHNSON LIBRARY IN TEXAS, THE ORIGINAL

NUMBER HAS BEEN CROSSED OUT, AND THE PRESS

CONFERENCE IS REDESIGNATED NUMBER ONE OF

THE JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION. THE EVIDENCE

SHOWS THE RENUMBERING HAD TO OCCUR

SOMETIME AFTER PIERPOINT DISCOVERED THE

ORIGINAL DOCUMENT IN MAY 1967. SO, THE

QUESTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED, WHY WAS

THIS DOCUMENT WITHHELD FROM THE WARREN

COMMISSION?

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§TEXT: CBS TRANSCRIPT V.O.

NARRATION:

INSTEAD OF ASKING THAT QUESTION, CBS

REFUSED TO RELEASE THE DOCUMENT OR SAY

WHERE THEY FOUND IT. HERE IS THE RELEVANT

PORTION OF THE CBS BROADCAST TRANSCRIPT.

NOTE THAT DR. PERRY WAS NOT “RUSHED” INTO

THE NEWS CONFERENCE. IT BEGAN MORE THAN

TWO HOURS AFTER PRESIDENT KENNEDY WAS

PRONOUNCED DEAD. THIS IS HOW CBS

PROTECTED THE JOHNSON WHITE HOUSE FROM

EMBARRASSMENT OVER WHY THE TRANSCRIPT WAS

NEVER GIVEN TO THE WARREN COMMISSION.

§BUMPER: LINEUP #11

INTRO: "THE PROBE”

(MUSIC:GOSPEL INTERLUDE)

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§GRAPHIC: RICHTER TO

MIDGLEY JANUARY 10,

1967

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

RICHTER TO MIDGLEY

JANUARY 10, 1967

V.O.

NARRATION:

CHOOSING TO RELY ON SCHEMATIC DIAGRAMS OF

PRESIDENT KENNEDY’S WOUNDS, THE WARREN

COMMISSION NEVER ASKED FOR THE X-RAYS AND

PHOTOGRAPHS OF HIS AUTOPSY. THEIR

WHEREABOUTS WERE UNKNOWN UNTIL THE KENNEDY

FAMILY DONATED THEM TO THE NATIONAL

ARCHIVES IN LATE 1966. SEQUESTERED FOR A

PERIOD OF YEARS, THE X-RAYS AND PHOTOS

BECAME THE FOCUS OF INTENSE CURIOSITY. IN

JANUARY 1967, MIDGLEY RECEIVED EXPLOSIVE

INFORMATION THAT HAD NEVER BEEN PUBLICLY

REVEALED. A CBS EMPLOYEE IN WASHINGTON,

WHO BELONGED TO THE SAME CHURCH AS THE

CHIEF AUTOPSY PATHOLOGIST, DR. HUMES, HAD

ENGAGED HIM IN CONVERSATION ABOUT THE

ASSASSINATION. HUMES REPORTEDLY TOLD HIS

FRIEND THAT ONE X-RAY TAKEN SHOWED A SOFT

METAL PROBE TRACING A PATH THROUGH THE

PRESIDENT BETWEEN THE NONFATAL WOUNDS IN

HIS BACK AND THROAT. HUMES ALSO SAID THAT

HE HAD BEEN ORDERED NOT TO DO A COMPLETE

AUTOPSY. THIS INFORMATION CAME TO CBS

MORE THAN TWO YEARS BEFORE ONE OF THE

OTHER AUTOPSY PATHOLOGISTS TESTIFIED TO

THESE RESTRICTIONS AT THE TRIAL OF CLAY

SHAW IN NEW ORLEANS.

CBS-ABC Script Page 35

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§GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY TO

MCCLOY JANUARY 11,

1967

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

MIDGLEY TO MCCLOY

JANUARY 11, 1967

V.O.

NARRATION:

MIDGLEY RECOGNIZED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF

WHAT HE HAD. FORSAKING THE USUAL ROUTE

THROUGH SALANT’S OFFICE, HE WROTE DIRECTLY

TO JOHN J. MCCLOY, ASKING HIS HELP IN

GETTING AN INTERVIEW WITH HUMES, WHO HAD

ALREADY REFUSED TO GO ON CAMERA.

AS MIDGLEY NOTED, THE PROBE X-RAY COULD

RESOLVE ISSUES THAT WERE CENTRAL TO THE

LONE ASSASSIN THEORY. INDEED, ONE MIGHT

HAVE EXPECTED THE GOVERNMENT TO SEEK

WORLD-WIDE PUBLICATION OF THE X-RAY – IF,

THAT IS, IT SUPPORTED THE OFFICIAL

CONCLUSIONS. AT THE INTERVENTION OF

ATTORNEY GENERAL RAMSEY CLARK, DOCTOR

HUMES AGREED TO BE INTERVIEWED BY DAN

RATHER IN JUNE 1967. BUT RATHER DID NOT

ASK HIM A SINGLE QUESTION EITHER ABOUT THE

PROBE OR RESTRICTIONS ON THE AUTOPSY, AND

CBS NEVER DISCLOSED THIS INFORMATION.

THIS IS JUST ONE INSTANCE IN WHICH

CONCEALMENT BY CBS MAY HAVE ASSISTED AN

OFFICIAL COVER-UP.

CBS-ABC Script Page 36

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§GRAPHIC: ROGER

FEINMAN

-GRAPHIC: JENKINS

INTVU

-GRAPHIC: KARNEI

INTVU

§GRAPHIC: KNUDSEN_

(EXTRACT OF KNUDSEN

HSCA TESTIMONY

APPEARS)

V.O.

NARRATION:

THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON

ASSASSINATIONS NEVER KNEW ABOUT THE HUMESPROBE

STORY WHEN THEY INVESTIGATED THE

CASE TEN YEARS LATER. BUT THEY DID FIND

THREE WITNESSES TO THE AUTOPSY WHO

INDEPENDENTLY TOLD THEM SIMILAR STORIES.

WERE IT NOT FOR PUBLIC PRESSURE INSPIRED

BY OLIVER STONE’S “JFK” MOVIE, YOU AND I

WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN. THE COMMITTEE

TRIED TO LOCK UP THIS TESTIMONY FOR FIFTY

YEARS. MEDICAL TECHNICIAN JAMES CURTIS

JENKINS RECALLED X-RAYS BEING TAKEN OF THE

PROBE PROCEDURE. DOCTOR ROBERT KARNEI

RECALLED PHOTOGRAPHS BEING TAKEN WITH

PROBES THROUGH THE BODY. ALMOST TWENTY

YEARS LATER, KARNEI REPEATED HIS STORY TO

THE STAFF OF THE ASSASSINATIONS RECORDS

REVIEW BOARD.

ROBERT KNUDSEN WAS A MEMBER OF THE WHITE

HOUSE PHOTOGRAPHIC: STAFF. FOLLOWING

PRESIDENT KENNEDY’S AUTOPSY, KNUDSEN WAS

INVOLVED IN PROCESSING THE PHOTOGRAPHS.

IN SWORN TESTIMONY, HE TOLD THE HOUSE

COMMITTEE STAFF THAT HE HAD SEEN PHOTOS OF

PRESIDENT KENNEDY’S REMAINS WITH PROBES

INSERTED.

CBS-ABC Script Page 37

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(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

KNUDSEN-HSCA

TESTIMONY

V.O.

NARRATION:

THERE ARE NO SUCH PHOTOGRAPHS OR X-RAYS IN

THE COLLECTION HOUSED TODAY IN THE

NATIONAL ARCHIVES. THE MYSTERY OF AUTOPSY

X-RAYS AND PHOTOGRAPHS KNOWN TO HAVE

EXISTED AT ONE TIME BUT NOW MISSING

PERSISTS TO THIS DAY. CBS NEWS RECEIVED

THE FIRST CLUE TO THE MYSTERY LONG BEFORE

THE TRAIL RAN COLD. THEY BURIED IT.

§BUMPER: LINEUP #12

INTRO: “ROADS NOT

TAKEN”

(MUSIC: “GOSPEL FANTASIA (AMEN)” – 1ST

CHORUS)

§GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY &

CRONKITE

V.O.

NARRATION:

THIS IS REALLY THE STORY OF HOW TWO GREAT

JOURNALISTS – LESLIE MIDGLEY AND WALTER

CRONKITE, WHOSE ROLE IN THIS AFFAIR WAS

ESSENTIALLY LIMITED TO READING A SCRIPT

THAT WAS HANDED TO HIM – WERE USED AND

ABUSED BY THE CBS CORPORATE MACHINERY.

ULTIMATELY, THE WARREN REPORT SERIES DID

NOT REFLECT THE CONCEPTS AND JUDGMENTS OF

EITHER ITS EXECUTIVE PRODUCER (MIDGLEY) OR

ITS ANCHORMAN.(CRONKITE). IN HIS MEMOIRS

PUBLISHED MORE THAN 20 YEARS LATER,

MIDGLEY WROTE THAT HE STILL FOUND IT HARD

TO ACCEPT AS FACT THAT LEE HARVEY OSWALD

DID THIS TERRIBLE THING ALL ALONE. AND HE

REAFFIRMED HIS BELIEF THAT THE FBI'S

INVESTIGATION OF THE CASE WAS

"UNBELIEVABLY SLOPPY."

CBS-ABC Script Page 38

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§GRAPHIC: DAN RATHER

1963 W/TEXT: Z-FILM

BG)

-GRAPHIC: DAN RATHER

1963 W/TEXT: RATHER

Z-FILM FIRST QUOTE

APPEARS

-GRAPHIC: DAN RATHER

1963 W/TEXT: RATHER

Z-FILM SECOND QUOTE

APPEARS

V.O.

NARRATION:

BUT WHAT ABOUT DAN RATHER? HE CONDUCTED A

NUMBER OF INTERVIEWS AND WITNESSED SOME OF

THE TESTS. EVEN IF HE HAD NOT BEEN

FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE

EXECUTIVE SUITE, DAN RATHER WAS CLOSE

ENOUGH TO THE PROJECT TO MAKE OUT ITS ODD

TILT IN ONE DIRECTION – THE OFFICIAL

THEORY OF THE CRIME – JUST AS CRITICS HAD

SAID OF THE WARREN REPORT. WHAT ABOUT DAN

RATHER?

CBS-ABC Script Page 39

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GRAPHIC: “60 MINUTES”

LOGO

§GRAPHIC: MIDGLEY TO

BIRNBAUM, BARTELS,

PHILLIPS & RATHER

JULY 24, 1975

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

MIDGLEY TO BIRNBAUM,

BARTELS, PHILLIPS &

RATHER JULY 24, 1975

(CUT TO:)

-GRAPHIC: EXTRACT OF

MIDGLEY TO BIRNBAUM,

BARTELS, PHILLIPS &

RATHER JULY 24, 1975

V.O.

NARRATION:

EARLY IN 1975, THE 60 MINUTES UNIT BEGINS

A SERIOUS INVESTIGATION TO FIND A LINK

BETWEEN LEE HARVEY OSWALD AND JACK RUBY.

AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS OF RESEARCH, HOWEVER,

RICHARD SALANT KILLS THEIR PROJECT AND, IN

APRIL 1975, ORDERS THE 60 MINUTES TEAM TO

TURN OVER ALL THEIR RESEARCH TO LESLIE

MIDGLEY. BY NOW, IT IS CLEAR THAT MIDGLEY

OWNS THE ASSASSINATION STORY AT CBS FOR

ALL PURPOSES WHILE SALANT REMAINS

PRESIDENT. HIS CORE PERSONNEL ON THE

STORY HAS REMAINED CONSTANT SINCE 1964.

BUT MIDGLEY UNDOUBTEDLY RECALLS THE STING

OF REJECTION YEARS EARLIER FOR HIS IDEA OF

PUTTING THE WARREN REPORT ON TRIAL. NOW,

BOTH HE AND CBS NEWS HAVE TOO MUCH

INVESTED IN THE LONE ASSASSIN THEORY.

MIDGLEY TELLS HIS STAFF AND DAN RATHER

THEY WILL AVOID GOING DOWN THE SAME ROAD

THEY DID IN 1967. THEY WILL NOT REEXAMINE

THEIR SUPPORT OF THE LONE ASSASSIN

THEORY.

CBS-ABC Script Page 40

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§BUMPER LINEUP #13

INTRO: “TENURE”

(MUSIC:”GOSPEL FANTASIA (AMEN)-2ND CHORUS)

§GRAPHIC: RATHER IN

STUDIO 1963

-GRAPHIC: RATHER AT

TSBD SIXTH-FLOOR

WINDOW

-GRAPHIC: RATHER

OUTSIDE TSBD

-GRAPHIC: EDDIE

BARKER

V.O.

NARRATION:

DAN RATHER WAS NOT IN DEALEY PLAZA WHEN

PRESIDENT KENNEDY WAS MURDERED. HE

NEITHER SAW NOR HEARD THE SHOOTING. HE

COVERED THE AFTERMATH FROM INSIDE A STUDIO

AT CBS'S DALLAS AFFILIATE KRLD. FOR

DECADES AFTERWARD, THIS CONNECTION ENABLED

BOTH CBS AND RATHER TO PROMOTE THEMSELVES

AS AUTHORITATIVE AND CREDIBLE NARRATORS OF

THE ASSASSINATION SAGA. BUT IN THEIR

REPEATED RETELLINGS AND RECONSTRUCTIONS OF

THAT AFTERNOON, SELF-SERVING MYTHS HAVE

SOMETIMES OVERTAKEN THE FACTS, EMBEDDING

RATHER DEEPER INSIDE THE STORY AND

ENLARGING HIS ROLE.

AS LATE AS MARCH 2005, FOR EXAMPLE, CBS

CONTINUED TO CLAIM THAT "RATHER WAS THE

FIRST TO REPORT KENNEDY HAD DIED, BEFORE

THE OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION OF THE

PRESIDENT'S DEATH." IT'S AN OUTRIGHT

FALSEHOOD. THE FIRST REPORTER TO

BROADCAST THAT KENNEDY HAD DIED WAS EDDIE

BARKER, THEN THE LOCAL NEWS DIRECTOR OF

KRLD.

CBS-ABC Script Page 41

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§GRAPHIC: YOUNGER

RATHER

-GRAPHIC: RATHER 1981

-GRAPHIC: RATHER

W/SWEATER 1987

-GRAPHIC: WALTER

CRONKITE W/TEXT

V.O.

NARRATION:

DAN RATHER'S STATURE AT THE NETWORK GREW,

AT LEAST IN PART DUE TO HIS PUBLIC IMAGE

AS A MAINSTAY OF CBS'S REPORTING ON THE

ASSASSINATION. IN 1981, RATHER SUCCEEDED

WALTER CRONKITE AS ANCHORMAN OF THE CBS

EVENING NEWS. BUT HE STRUGGLED TO FILL

CRONKITE'S SHOES AS THE SHOW'S RATINGS

STEADILY DECLINED OVER THE NEXT 24 YEARS,

AND IT FELL TO THIRD PLACE BEHIND THE

OTHER NETWORKS. WALTER CRONKITE RECENTLY

TOLD CNN: "IT SURPRISED QUITE A FEW PEOPLE

AT CBS AND ELSEWHERE THAT, WITHOUT BEING

ABLE TO PULL UP THE RATINGS BEYOND THIRD

IN A THREE-MAN FIELD, THAT THEY TOLERATED

HIS BEING THERE FOR SO LONG."

§GRAPHIC: GUARD DOCS

-GRAPHIC: BUSH & DAD

-GRAPHIC: BUSH GUARD

POSE

ON SEPTEMBER 8, 2004, RATHER CITED

PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN MILITARY RECORDS AS

PROOF THAT PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH

ENTERED THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD

DURING THE VIETNAM WAR THROUGH POLITICAL

INFLUENCE, AND THAT HE RECEIVED

PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT DESPITE DISOBEYING

ORDERS. AFTER VIGOROUSLY DEFENDING

RATHER'S REPORT FOR TWELVE DAYS AGAINST

QUESTIONS OF FORGERY, CBS NEWS CONFESSED

THAT IT COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE THE

AUTHENTICITY OF THE DOCUMENTS USED IN THE

STORY.

CBS-ABC Script Page 42

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§GRAPHIC: RATHER 2004

W/TEXT

V.O.

NARRATION:

RATHER SAID, "I'M OF THE SCHOOL, MY NAME

IS ON IT, I'M RESPONSIBLE."

§GRAPHIC: RATHER 2004

W/TEXT

AND HE ADMITTED, "I DIDN'T DIG HARD

ENOUGH, LONG ENOUGH, DIDN'T ASK ENOUGH OF

THE RIGHT QUESTIONS." THE STORY'S

PRODUCER WAS FIRED. THREE EXECUTIVES WERE

ASKED TO RESIGN. ANOTHER EMPLOYEE WAS

PUBLICLY DEFAMED AND DISGRACED, BUT

ALLOWED TO STAY. ALTHOUGH DAN RATHER

ABDICATED HIS ANCHOR CHAIR UNDER A CLOUD

OF SCANDAL, BY THE TIME THE PRESENTATION

YOU ARE WATCHING WAS PLACED ON THE

INTERNET, HE REMAINED A CORRESPONDENT FOR

CBS NEWS, WHICH PAID HIM A ONE-HOUR

TRIBUTE RARELY ACCORDED TO LIVING

TELEVISION PERSONALITIES.

§GRAPHIC: CBS EYE

W/TEXT: POLLS

V.O.

NARRATION:

THE CBS DOCUMENTARIES FAILED TO PERSUADE

THE PUBLIC THAT ONE MAN ACTING ALONE

ASSASSINATED JOHN F. KENNEDY. QUITE THE

OPPOSITE, IN LATER YEARS PUBLIC OPINION

POLLS SHOWED A GROWING BELIEF IN A

CONSPIRACY – LONG BEFORE OLIVER STONE'S

"JFK". DESPITE CBS'S FAILURE TO INFLUENCE

PUBLIC OPINION, ITS INFLUENCE ON OTHER

NEWS ORGANIZATIONS CANNOT BE SO EASILY

DISMISSED

CBS-ABC Script Page 43

§GRAPHIC: LINEUP #14

“BEYOND DISHONESTY:

ABC LOOKS AT THE

KENNEDY

ASSASSINATION”

(ABC TITLE ANIMATION)

-GRAPHIC:

PRESENTATION TITLE

V.O.

NARRATION:

THE IRON DETERMINATION OF THE MAJOR

NETWORKS TO RAM THE LONE GUNMAN THEORY

DOWN THE THROATS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

WAS MOST RECENTLY DEMONSTRATED BY ABC NEWS

AND PETER JENNINGS. NEXT IN PART TWO:

"BEYOND DISHONESTY," ABC LOOKS AT THE

KENNEDY ASSASSINATION.

§GRAPHIC: TEASE AND COMING SOON, THE EFFECTS OF PRESIDENT

KENNEDY'S MURDER ON AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS

FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE: "JUSTICE AT

FIVE POINTS: HOW THE FEDERAL COURTS

ASSASSINATED THE TRUTH IN THE CASE OF

ROBERT GRODEN AGAINST RANDOM HOUSE, THE

NEW YORK TIMES, AND GERALD POSNER."

§VIDEO: IN MEMORIAM,

THANKS, CREDITS,

Copyright 2005 by Roger Bruce Feinman.

B.....................

Mike I just spent ages, replying to you, and it is gone, it did not post ?????????and I now do not have the time to do

so again.....the photos posted I see, or some. some will show you how close the limo parked to the inner sidewalk,

and past the step leading into the Emerg...... but nothing of my long post............??

Now that sucks...

Thanks for your good wishes......

For now.B.....

I have family concerns right now to attend to, and do not have much time, so I cannot regularly contribute to this thread..

So I have compiled some information from my files, for any member who is interested...

.B.....

Post # 13......Mike To Don Jeffries :Quote "There were in fact some, not many, who talk about a hole, yet significantly they do not all put the hole in the same place. "

Some ???

...There are at least 9 people , plus.......who have spoken about a hole in the windshield..

9 Windshield hole witnesses

Dr. Evalea Glanges, resident at Parkland Hospital

and a friend who would not use her name..

George Whitaker, Ford Motor Company Glass Expert

Richard Dudman- reporter

Frank Cormier..reporter both -St.Louis Post-Dispatch

Sgt. Stavis Ellis- Motorcyclist Dallas Police Department quote..

''You could take a regular standard writing pencil, a wood pencil and stick it through there'.... and some SS agent run up and said 'Thats no bullet hole! thats a fragment''..

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

H.R. Freeman- Motorcyclist Dallas Police Department

Nick Principe-WH USA Park Officer

SS Agent Charles Taylor Jr...accompanied SS Kenney who drove the limo to the W/H garage from Andrews page 370-371 of " Best Evidence".. it was examined by a 5-man team from the FBI Lab..Agent Taylor witnessed that examination, and wrote in his report, "of particular note was the small hole just left of center in the windshield"

SS Abraham Bolden...who stated to Vince Palamara in a interview, he heard about a hole in the windshield

And FWTAW.

Two different unidentified callers to the "Jim Bohannon Radio Show......and to the "Larry King Live TV show.....

The hole you have shown in the cropped enlarged Parkland photo, is almost the same size as the button seen on the hospital attendant's white smock seen on the left.....

Post # 7...To Jack White :....Quote " It also would go to their credit if they had all identified the hole in the same place."

All the descriptions are in the same general location..They are not describing a hole in the oppositie side of the windshield...

Other than Ferguson, who describes the "defect"...and there is no defect in that location.....

With the slant of the windshield their descriptions differ by a couple of inches and this is explained in Doug Weldon's work in the book "Murder In Dealey Plaza"......why this is logical.....

Also read SSA Kellerman's testimony to the W/C....he notes a flurry of shots, though Specter accomplished changing that information.....

He also speaks of how the windshield damage felt to him on the inside, the first time, he examined it.....and then how that had changed when he viewed and examined it on the second....exam....

Here also is a post by Ron Ecker Dec.04 on Kellerman's information....to the WC..

It is apparent from the WC testimony of SS agent Roy Kellerman that the damaged windshield was switched, not once but at least twice, between the shooting and the time that a windshield was brought into the WC hearing for Kellerman to examine.

It should be noted, to begin with, that Kellerman believed there was a conspiracy, as is evident from his testimony that there had to be more than three shots. (And Senator Cooper obviously couldn’t believe what he heard.) I think that this would eliminate Kellerman as a conspirator.

Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.

Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say?

Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?

Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.

Representative FORD. Is that why you have described--

Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.

Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?

Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir.

Arlen Specter then gets Kellerman to admit that he didn’t actually remember hearing more than three shots.

On to the windshield:

Mr. SPECTER. Did you have occasion to feel the outside of the windshield?

Mr. KELLERMAN. I did on that day; yes, sir. (“That day” refers to Nov. 27, in the White House garage, the first time Kellerman noted the damage.)

Mr. SPECTER. What did you feel, if anything?

Mr. KELLERMAN. Not a thing; it was real smooth.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you have occasion to feel the inside of the windshield?

Mr. KELLERMAN. I did.

Mr. SPECTER. How did that feel to you?

Mr. KELLERMAN. My comparison was that the broken glass, broken windshield, there was enough little roughness in there from the cracks and split that I was positive, or it was my belief, that whatever hit it came into the inside of the car.

Several witnesses saw a through hole in the windshield. This is discussed in detail by Weldon in "Murder in Dealey Plaza." The windshield with no hole that Kellerman saw in the White House garage and described to the WC was therefore not the original windshield, but a replacement windshield that had been damaged by hitting it with something on the inside, making no hole and leaving the outside smooth.

After the windshield is admitted into evidence:

Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman. I would like for you at this time to actually touch the outside (of the windshield) and tell me, first of all, if it is the same or if it differs in any way from the sense of feel which you noted when you touched it on or about November 27?

Mr. KELLERMAN. As I touch the outside on the impact, it would be the same as I noticed on the 27th of November.

Mr. SPECTER. What do you notice, if anything?

Mr. KELLERMAN. It is a smooth surface without any--

Mr. SPECTER. Without any--finish your answer.

Mr. KELLERMAN. On the inside.

Mr. SPECTER. No; before. It is a smooth surface without any what?

Mr. KELLERMAN. Without any crack lines.

Mr. SPECTER. On the outside?

Mr. KELLERMAN. That can be felt.

Mr. SPECTER. On the outside?

Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right; on the outside of the windshield.

But now Specter makes a mistake similar to the one the prosecution made in the O.J. trial by having O.J. try on the glove (it didn’t fit!):

Mr. SPECTER. Feel the inside and tell us, first of all, whether it is the same or different from the way you touched it on November 27?

Mr. KELLERMAN. On November 27, when I felt the inside of this impact area, I was convinced that I could - that I felt an opening in one of these lines, which was indicative to me that the blow was struck from the inside of the car on this windshield.

Mr. SPECTER. Does it feel the same to you today as it did on or about November 27?

Mr. KELLERMAN. As a matter of fact, it feels rather smooth today.

Mr. SPECTER. It feels somewhat differently today than it felt before?

Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; it does.

Kellerman had to know at that moment that the windshield had been switched. And this was the second switch (at least) that had been made. (Having gotten rid of the hole with the first switch, why was a second switch made, to have both sides of the windshield smooth? I don’t have a clue.)

Ron Ecker

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm

Concerning SSA Charles Taylor Jr....

""In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed. The team of agents also noted that the chrome molding strip above the windshield, inside the car, just right of center, was dented. The FBI Agents stated that this dent was made by the bullet fragment which was found imbedded in the front cushion.""

Record Number 180-10099-10390 Agency File Number 002528

Originator-WC

From: Taylor, Charles E.

To:

Date: 11/27/63

Pages: 4

Subjects: Kennedy, John, Autopsy

Evidence, Medical

Wound Ballistics

USSS

Date of release: 12/16/93

Contents: Secret Service Report dated 11/27/63 by Agents Charles E. Taylor, Jr. and Harry W. Geiglein on investigation of clues found in the Presidential limousine.

Document follows in full.

ORIGIN: White House Detail OFFICE: Washington, D.C.

FILE NO.: CO-2-34,030

TYPE OF CASE: Protective Research STATUS: Closed

INVESTIGATION MADE AT: Washington, D.C.

PERIOD COVERED: November 22-23, 1963

INVESTIGATION MADE BY: SAIC Harry W. Geiglein

SA Charles E. Taylor, Jr.

TITLE OR CAPTION: Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

SYNOPSIS

This report relates to the measures employed to effect security of the President's car, 100-X, and the follow-up car, 679-X, on return from Dallas, Texas, following the assassination of President Kennedy.

DETAILS OF INVESTIGATION

This investigation was initiated on November 22, 1963, following receipt of instructions from ASAIC Floyd M. Boring, White House Detail, that steps be taken to effect security of the President's car (100-X) and the follow-up car (679-X) on their return from Dallas, Texas. President John F. Kennedy occupied the rear seat of SS-100-X when he was assassinated, and SS-679-X was directly behind the Presidential limousine at the time of the assassination. There two vehicles were driven to Love Field, Dallas, Texas, for immediate transportation to Andrews Air Force Base, Washington, D.C.

Following the arrival of President Lyndon B. Johnson and the remains of President Kennedy at Andrews Air Force Base, the reporting Special Agents conferred with Captain Milton B. Hartenblower, Duty Operations Officer, and Lt. Colonel Robert Best, Provost Marshal, Andrews Air Force Base, to arrange for landing instruction of the Air Force cargo plane transporting the subject vehicles and to escort these vehicles from Andrews Air Force Base. Also, arrangements were made with the U.S. Park Police for motorcycle escort of these automobiles to the White House Garage.

DISTRIBUTION: Chief Washington

COPIES: Orig. & 2 cc 2 cc

REPORT MADE BY: /s/ Charles E. Taylor, Jr. DATE: 11/27/63

Charles E. Taylor, Jr.

APPROVED: /s/ Harry W. Geiglein DATE: 11/27/63

Harry W. Geiglein

SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: Harry W. Geiglein

CO-2-34,030

Page 2

At 8:00 P.M. on November 22, 1963, SS-100-X and SS-679-X arrived at Andrews Air Force Base on Air Force Cargo Plane No. 612373 (C-130-E), which plane was assigned to the 78th Air Transport Squadron from Charleston Air Force Base and piloted by Captain Thomason. The plane was taxied to a point just off of Runway 1028, approximately 100 yards from the Control Tower at Andrews AFB, and a security cordon was placed around the aircraft while these vehicles were being unloaded.

On the plane accompanying these vehicles were Special Agents Kinney and Hickey.

The Presidential vehicles were driven under escort to the White House Garage at 22nd and M Streets, N.W., Washington, D.C., arriving at approximately 9:00 P.M. SS-100-X was driven by SA Kinney, accompanied by SA Taylor, and SS-679-x was driven by SA Hickey, accompanied by Special Agents Keiser and Brett.

On arrival, SS-100-X was backed into the designated parking bin and SS-679-X was parked a few feet away. A plastic cover was placed over SS-100-X and it was secured. The follow-up car, SS-679-X, was locked and secured. Special Agents Keiser, Brett, and the reporting Special Agent effected security, assisted by White House Policemen Snyder and Rubenstal.

At 10:10 P.M., Deputy Chief Paterni, ASAIC Boring, and representatives from Dr. Burkley's office at the White House, William Martinell and Thomas Mills, inspected SS-100-X.

At 12:01 A.M., November 23, 1963, the security detail was relieved by Special Agents Paraschos and Kennedy and White House Policeman J. W. Edwards.

At 1:00 A.M., as per arrangements by Deputy Chief Paterni, a team of FBI Agents examined the Presidential limousine. This team was comprised of Orrin H. Bartlett, Charles L. Killian, Cortlandt Cunningham, Robert A. Frazier, and Walter E. Thomas .

Mr. Orin Bartlett drove the Presidential vehicle out of the bin. The team of FBI Agents, assisted by the Secret Service Agents on duty, removed the leatherette convertible top and the plexi-glass bubbletop; also the molding strips that secure the floor matting, and the rear seat. What appeared to be bullet fragments were removed from the windshield and the floor rug in the rear of the car.

CO-2-34,030

Page 3

The two blankets on the left and right rear doors were removed, inspected, and returned to the vehicle. The trunk of the vehicle was opened and the contents examined, and nothing was removed. A meticulous examination was made of the back seat to the car and the floor rug, and no evidence was found.

In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed.

The team of agents also noted that the chrome molding strip above the windshield, inside the car, just right of center, was dented. The FBI Agents stated that this dent was made by the bullet fragment which was found imbedded in the front cushion.

During the course of this examination, a number of color photos were taken by this FBI <"FBI" inserted in longhand with an arrow> search team. They concluded their examination at 4:30 A.M. and the President's car was reassembled and put back in the storage bin.

At 8:00 A.M. on November 23, the security detail was relieved by Special Agents Hancock and Davis and White House Policeman J. C. Rowe. SA Gonzalez relieved SA Hancock at Noon and at 4:00 P.M., Messrs, Fox and Norton, Protective Research Section, photographed the Presidential limousine. At 4:30 P.M., SA Gonzalez contacted SAIC Bouck and Deputy Chief Paterni and, at their request, the flowers, torn pieces of paper, and other miscellaneous debris were removed from the floor of the car (SS-100-X) and taken to the Washington Field Office. At that time, the special detail securing the Presidential limousine and the follow-up car was discontinued.

DISPOSITION

This case is closed with the submission of this report.

CET:mkd

Below

1...the photo taken at Parkland.....enlarged showing hit...

2......Altgens 7....showing hit....from a different angle.....does the W/H garage photo show the same damage as in Altgens 7...or is it larger......??

3...Photo taken at the W/H garage showing a frosted hit, to windshield...

4...Windshield hit, W/C CE 351

5....HSCA FIRS_CE 251_showing hit.......( the driver's stain on the right...not positive right now, I think that it was coffee....)

6: As to some who may say that people were not allowed to view the Limo, while at Parkland .....this is just one of the many, showing a few of the many people in that area that continually did so....

7.....Another showing the visor turned down over the damage....

8....Showing possible direction of the shot......from the overpass area.....

9::Bullet fragments shown.....""..In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed.""

10...As far as I know, this is the Photo taken by Robert Groden at the National Archives as the windshield appears today, they would not allow him to examine.

FYI......

B.........

A couple of more errors within Pamela's information...

From Post # 24 Jul 2 2008

Quote Peter Lemkin: " It seems hard for me to believe people would say they saw a hole [as oppossed to a crack] had they not seen one. The fact that people put it in slightly different places is not surprising. Perhaps there was even both a crack and a hole.

Quote Pamela McElwain: There was a lot of confusion at PH at that time. The limo was only there for about 1/2 hour. During some of that time it was cordoned off. The witnessess were communicating what they believed they saw. What they actually did see may be something different."

About a 1/2 an hour. Not.....

Commission Document 80 - Secret Service Report of 06 Jan 1964 re: Presidential Car

After the official party left the hospital , SS 100-X was driven to Love Air Field .................see below....

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/....do?docId=10482

Ira David Wood Chronology..........

12.43 pm...The motorcade arrives at Parkland Hospital.....

1.26 pm .........With heavy guard, Police Chief drives Lyndon Johson to Love Field, where he boards Air Force One..

2.04 pm The presidential limo leaves Parkland Hospital, driven by SSA GeorgeW.Hickey, Jr. and a Dallas police officer.

2.08 pm..After a heated argument between Dallas officials and Secret Service men , the body of JFK is removed from Parkland Hospital almost at gun point...

The JFK Assassination Chronology: 22 November 1963

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono2.pdf

The JFK Assassination Chronology: 19 January 1961 to 21 November 1963

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono1.pdf

Quote Pamela McElwain: There was a lot of confusion at PH at that time. The limo was only there for about 1/2 hour. During some of that time it was cordoned off. The witnessess were communicating what they believed they saw. What they actually did see may be something different."

I would like someone, Pamela ?? anyone to post one photo where the Limo was cordoned off at Parkland.......One..?

I can show your numerous photos of the Limo at Parkland, around the limo there was no tape...it was never cordoned off.....

There was further out towards the street area ....but not around the limo....

From Post # 24 Jul 2 2008

Quote Peter Lemkin: " It seems hard for me to believe people would say they saw a hole [as oppossed to a crack] had they not seen one. The fact that people put it in slightly different places is not surprising. Perhaps there was even both a crack and a hole.

Quote Pamela McElwain: There was a lot of confusion at PH at that time. The limo was only there for about 1/2 hour. During some of that time it was cordoned off. The witnessess were communicating what they believed they saw. What they actually did see may be something different."

Lordy your just like the rest of them thar kind.........The witnesses were always in error........Not...

B......

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From: NPRINCE9@juno.com

To: pamelamxxxxxxxxx

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:20:55 -0500

Subject: misinformation

Pam

I seem to be getting the idea that you think I might have been

looking at the Queen Mary instead of the bubbletop-----------NO WAY

I know each one when I see them--the limo was the one that I saw and when

I went in, it was not completely covered--It appears some one else had

been looking at it.

This I know for certainty--I DID talk with Bill Greer on W. Ex. ave. and

he DID say that bullets were coming from everywhere and I DID see a T and

T hole in the windshield. After all there years I could be a little off

as to the EXACT spot--but it WAS there.

Whatever you have written down--I give you the correct version.

Nick

Neither the Queen Mary nor the "Sheik" Jackie's smaller limo, had a "Continental"

on the back, there was no mistaking the 100 XP......

""The Second Kennedy Lincoln Limousine

Perhaps because the Presidential Limousine Ford and Hess and Eisenhardt developed for President Kennedy was so well-received, and its presence gave Ford a place of prestige, soon after the delivery of SS-100-X, a second, shorter version was designed. This car became one of two used by Jackie Kennedy (the other was a 1961 Crown Imperial Ghia, built by Chrysler and the Italian coachbuilder Ghia).

The custom-built 1962 Lincoln Continental Town Limousine was also developed in conjunction with Hess and Eisenhardt, and one was of only three such coversions they did; one of those was assigned to Mrs. Edsel B. Ford, and the second was placed in Ford’s New York office for use transporting VIPs. The Secret Service designation for the second Lincoln was SS-297-X.

297-X had a 123-inch wheel base, as opposed to the 156-inch wheel base of 100-X. It was not armored. It had a plexiglass and metal top and a permanent privacy window. There was also a black vinyl top stored in the trunk, that could be used when a private car was desired. 297-X was the only one of the three Lincolns that had a bubbletop, and because of that was referred to as the “small bubbletop”.

The interior of 297-X was black in the front and light blue on the back. It was fitted with an intercom system, a permanent glass privacy window, two-way radios, a siren and custom red lights built into the front bumper guards.

297-X bore a striking resemblance to 100-X from the front (see photo 1). However, it did not have the Continental tire on the trunk, so the two cars looked quite different from the back. (see photo 2).

297-X is also discussed in Ford Company documents; most of the mystery of this car will come from those documents, the presentation of which belongs to the researcher who first brought them to my attention, Mike Johnson. The information I am presenting comes from the book Presidential Cars and Transportation by William Siuru and Andrea Stuart, Kause Publications, Iola, WI, 1995.

According to Siuru, 297-X was ultimately sold at auction and since 1985 has been on display at the Imperial Palace Auto Collection in Las Vegas, Nevada. ""

B......

Pamela would you publish the part of the White House Garage log showing that Arlington glass replaced the glass on November 25, as you stated in your posting and that the Ferguson memo claims.

Below is the Ferguson statement where he does relate that date......

.""Error Correction ""

The SS W/H Garge Log, are to be read side by side.......as seen below....

See below......also...

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/....do?docId=10482

B.....

Edited, for spelling.

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From Post # 72...

Pamela : In addition, the FBI photos, Ferguson Memo, and windshield currently at NARA support the fact that the windshield in the car at the time of the FBI exam was the same one kicked out by the Arlington Glass men on Monday, Nov. 25, 1963. So Nick's statements would be relevant only if the windshield was replace between the time he saw the limo and when Robert Frazier's team photographed it.

No not on November 25th......November 26th........see below......

B.....

Pamela : Quote : Now you seem to be trying to cobble together information about Nick and the Michigan man, again without any foundation for a connection.

Aw I see, the old much-used tactic: ignore it, or finesse it, and eventually it will go away, you hope.You have tried many times to divert the information within this thread, by your whatever meaningless comments, that do not pertain to what was previously posted..no use, much more information is out there, now, and will remain so..

Also seeing what you have posted above imo makes no sense.........and is another windmill, to try to confuse the readers with your minutiae ? and making sure that all aware, I will clarify for you, one more time....seeing you pretend to not get it..

The one connection, as you are extremely aware of, unless?? that does connect all these people, and has been stated in this thread several times now, and that you have deliberately ignored, is that Nick Principe, Richard Dudman. Stavis Ellis, Dr. Evalea Glanges, H. R. Freeman, Charles Taylor, Jr., as well as others......agreed in their information given, with George Whitaker's information given, and they were un-beknownst to him , and he to them, those witnesses being spread all across the U.S......Now posted for the upteenth time, I do hope that is finally clear...to you ??

See and read Also..

Repeat : THE SMALL HOLE JUST TO THE LEFT OF CENTER ..

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=14

As the documentation above is from within the SS Gov, report and does state the above information, and that is after all where Ferguson is also mentioned within..And you have seemingly bought into and believe every word of the Ferguson information within said docs...including all five errors found within it, by the HSCA. ..So why would you take just such heed of Ferguson's information and not all the rest ?????

What the Ferguson document shows and points out within the other information of the SS, FBI Limo reports, is that that there is an untrustworthy, fragmented, papertrail.....leading to conspiracy into which some have delved further, and uncovered new information within....and have put it out there for any and all.....and they continue to do so...they do not sit back on their supposed laurels, nor do they seeminlgy quit...some do carry on....they appear to be very aware the search in not over...the W/C was a cover-up and the Gov was behind it and all was a farce..

Why you have continually tried to pretend you have not read the information, nor comprehended, nor reply to it, but continually have picked at straws, or cherry picked as you have accused others of doing, in this thread.....and that is known as a diversionary pretence that simply does not and has not worked...and will not...and is of no credit to you...is known only to you...

Pamela: Quote : "Instead of tossing out unconnected documentation and attempting to criticize me in the process

I have not attempted to criticize you or your none information ...there has been no need to...your Ferguson document and it's information within, is extremely questionable.........I have posted much information, which you have and continue to ignore, I have asked many questions pertaining to such, you also have continually ignored.

which has become your usual stance...and continually try the ole windmill tactics, that one more time, that has worn itself out........Why have you not answered any questions.......??

You and others have touted yourself as being the Limo Expert...within the research community, if you do not have the answers ,is it because you have been ignoring all the information that does not fit in with your theory re Ferguson all these years, by choosing only agree to that which fits within with the Govs....as does Ferguson's.......or did you simply not know of it.....?? and yet that does not fly, as you have made remarks against those that have released such.

....Why have you not kept up with the new studies?, it would appear that you have pretended that it does not exist...and make snide remarks at others who have done so, that never works, it only creates interest.....eventually it all does come out, you cannot stop it, no one can, the Gov have tried to but they have not been able to keep those that wish to know all the truth, blocked out....not completely...........the work goes on..

Why does it appear that your information only appears to back up the findings of the W/C....no conspiracy...imo..

I have posted some substantial evidence within this thread....which does support the statements made....which you have continually chosen to ignore..

You really have been presenting yourself as having a comprehension problem, and are admitting and selling yourself short by that ploy......imo..

Pamela , you have named called and criticized from the very beginning of this thread, and seeminlgy brushed aside others, would you really like me to list them all for you....?? to refresh your memory, ?? ...there are many...or could it be that you do not like the taste of your own medicine??

Pamela : Quote ""who don't you share a copy of the first version of the at that time mystery witness statement. This is the version from the taped interview, prior to the subsequent cherrypicking/sanitizing in MIDP and in "Smoking Guns". ""

This is another windmill, trying to divert, the thread, it has gotten so old, and so worn out now....give it up....... Most of the interview was in MIDP........ Nigel Turner had the full tape and took out what he wanted. Nothing substantive was deleted. ........So contact Nigel......and ask him......rather that take any-ones word on such........and do post his reply.....

Why did you never interview these people, like Hess, the workers ,or Ellis, Glanges?. Which also has been asked in the past of you.....and you have continually ignored....and diverted from.....?

.......You did interview Nick, there is a tape . The many e-mails that have been posted demonstrate exactly what Nick thought of what you call your "interviewing technique."

You have suggested, you did interview Ferguson....why do you not share a copy of that discussion??

A wise person once said that if the facts are on your side, you pound the facts, but if the facts are not on your side you pound the law.

But if neither is on your side, you pound the table. Is your table dented yet.....?...

Cheers..

.B........