Bernice Moore

Pamela: Quote :

By your own admission you have no evidence tying a man in Michigan to the Presidential Limousine. Any discussion of documentation that you intend to try to make relative to this man first needs to be preceded by documentation of a connection. Surely you can see that? Otherwise, you're just tilting at windmills.

See below

Pamela: Quote :

Although I explained the research process I use to Nick before interviewing him, he apparently did not understand it. I don't 'believe' or 'disbelieve' witnesses, as many others tend to. I do what I can to present the information

Pamela : Quote: I don't 'believe' or 'disbelieve' witnesses, as many others tend to.

..........No you did not, you did not believe Nick, nor do you Whitaker ...and If this was true ? Why have you stated in this discussion that Nick "thought he saw a hole" and then tried to persuade him he was mistaken by what vehicle he saw it in. Which is obvious in Nick's posted emails.....You did try to disrespect him as per an e-mail in which he scolds you from trying to demean the U.S. Park Police and then suggests he was not working that evening. see below.....Then oddly you later admitted that you simply could not verify that he was working, so thus suggested he was not. ??

Pamela : I do what I can to present the information..

No you do not...... Why, if you are simply presenting information, and what is the reason it has been so difficult about correcting your website, for the past five years........ which still suggests that Whitaker is an unnamed man to so many unsuspecting readers........It is so odd that you are so critical of Whitaker's name not being revealed and now you can only refer to him as a "man from Michigan." George Whitaker, was a mid level manager and was in charge of the glass plant lab, he later became head of power services for the entire five plants and worked for Ford for over 30 years.....as he states in his interview on TMWKK.....It is easy to verify that and I am Pamela has..

George Whitaker is documented, as he left a letter as a testament because as much as he was afraid of what he knew ,he did not want the information to die with him,see TMWKK....

Limo to Detroit...part 2.........George Whitaker

..........BTW.....Pamela.........I have checked and nothing of your information was used within TMWKK

I believe, for now, the Ferguson memo was legitimate and written by a "company man" as Willard Hess, one of the owners of the Hess & Eisenhardt Co. who built the ss 100 XP and did the rebuild...... described Ferguson who would do anything he was told to do and he was helping to create a deception between the Ford Motor Company and Secret Service to hide their involvement in the conspiracy, a deception that on its face would be embarassing to anyone examining the evidence...Mr.Hess also recalls that he was only contacted once by the W/C and asked a none important question.....

Why would this Ferguson memo be kept secret ?....... It contains nothing dramatic or that suggests conspiracy but it raises eyebrows only because it is such a poor deception, and contains five errors within, that were pointed out by the HSCA Com....which is and has been presented is either disinformation, or deliberate misinformation and does not in anyway even remotely suggest a conspiracy....to the conspiracy research community....

You had the opportunity to talk to Ellis, (you now say in one post you did have a phone interview with him ) Glanges, and the man who knew more than anyone in the world about the limo, Willard Hess, but oddly never did so. All were easily accessable.

I am not saying anyone should believe George Whitaker, I am saying, they should believe it to a high probability because 6 other witnesses, Richard Dudman. Stavis Ellis, Nick Prencipe, Dr. Evalea Glanges, H. R. Freeman, Charles Taylor, Jr., as well as others......agreed with his information given, and they were un-beknownst to him , and he to them, those witness being spread all across the U.S.......

Ferguson's given information I am saying should Not be believed to a high degree of probability ,because it does not correspond with the SS Limo reports, and the HSCA official findings, found the SS Limo report in error ....in five places and all are errors pertaining to Ferguson's information....

and as far as is known, that information was not dealt with and was simply buried, as so much was within, when it simply did not agree basically with the W/C Gov findings..also his supposed testimony is not found within...

and as Willard Hess describes Ferguson as a man who would do anything he was told to do and he was helping to create a deception between the Ford Motor Company and Secret Service to hide their involvement in the conspiracy..

The Limo Windshield, Bullet from Front

Limo to Detroit, Part I

TMWKK, The Final Chapter, ep.1 The Smoking Gun, seg.3

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer..._type=&aq=f

JFK Assassination, Presidential limo SS-100-X, part 5

Limo information begins with Dr.2 minutes ..Dr.Galanges......54 seconds into the video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAW-bxxZfcM

Limo to Detroit...part 2.........George Whitaker

nprince9@juno.com wrote:

Pam

I have been going over some of the writings you have sent me, or

posted in various areas, for others to see. I am rather surprised at

some of the information you post, knowing your penchant for checking

everything out to see if you agree with it, or if it has been

verified in

research..

You have posted that "the DC park police escorted the limo from

Andrews AFB"

There is no such organization as the DC Park Police. The law

enforcement

agency you are referring to is the United States Park Police. This

is a

federal police dept., not a municipal one.

It is the senior law enforcement agency that was provided by the

Congress, for the Federal city.

It is a proud and elite group and shouild be entitled to proper

addression by you and anyone else.

Whenever we had the President under our escort security, we were not

obliged to stop at the district line, but continued to whatever

destination we were instructed to by the SS. If we had metropolitan

police along, the juresdictional problem was covered.

Our motorcycles had U S Govt. tags on them--Mine was US GOVT 1 MPD

tags

bore the DC insignia.

Please make necessary corrections in your records and postings.

If I can be of further assistance to you, I will do my best to

assist

you

Have a nice day

Nick Prencipe

nprince9@juno.com wrote:

Pam

Been away for two weeks and had over 100 E mails on return.

Snip.........

With regards to the time element that apparently concerns you--you

can be

assured of one thing and I would testify before God as to its

veracity.

I DID SEE GREER AT THE WHITE HOUSE--WEST EXECUTIVE AVE. AND I DID

HAVE

CONVERSATION WITH HIM AS I HAVE STATED.

As far as what is called evening --late evening or whatever--We put

in a

long day and night also and I was not checking my watch, nor did I

have

any reason to document my movements.

I have been in both the secret service garage and the white house

garage

many times. I have never signed in or out in either place , any

number of

my men and have visited there many times and did not sign in

either.

The visit that evening was based on what Bill had described and all

the

little details you seem sure of are correct or incorrect--who

knows--and

who said what--based on what. I WAS THERE.

So I wont push it any further, other than to verify what I have

stated

before

Good luck to you

Nick

nprince9@juno.com wrote:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

I am sure that Pam will convince those who are of the same

theory,

> to begin with.

I note that she takes things out of contex in that she keeps saying

that

I talked to Greer early in the evening.

I never said that and incidentally, the evening runs to midnight. I

dont

really know exactly what time it was. If I looked at my watch that

night, I knew the time, but that was a long time ago.

I will also say, I have been in theW.H. many times and in the SS and

WH

garages many times and NEVER was I EVER asked to log in. She just

cant

believe that I guess.

She seems to get more and more frustrated with time.

Bill Greer, as I remember reading, did change his story, and

eventually

came up with all the shots coming from the rear--probably to keek in

line

with the Warren commission procedure. Who knows what went thru his

head

then--and later. I wont change my story, some of the facts are

dimmed a

bit, but basic facts are still the same. I will keep you advised of

anything new I turn up.

Have a great holiday.

Regards Nick

Commission Document 80 - Secret Service Report of 06 Jan 1964 re: Presidential Car

****************......SMALL HOLE JUST TO THE LEFT OF CENTRE.....*************************

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=14

Record Number 180-10099-10390 Agency File Number 002528

Originator-WC

From: Taylor, Charles E.

To:

Date: 11/27/63

Pages: 4

Subjects: Kennedy, John, Autopsy

Evidence, Medical

Wound Ballistics

USSS

Date of release: 12/16/93

Contents: Secret Service Report dated 11/27/63 by Agents Charles E. Taylor, Jr. and Harry W. Geiglein

on investigation of clues found in the Presidential limousine.

Document follows in full.

ORIGIN: White House Detail OFFICE: Washington, D.C.

FILE NO.: CO-2-34,030

TYPE OF CASE: Protective Research STATUS: Closed

INVESTIGATION MADE AT: Washington, D.C.

PERIOD COVERED: November 22-23, 1963

INVESTIGATION MADE BY: SAIC Harry W. Geiglein

SA Charles E. Taylor, Jr.

TITLE OR CAPTION: Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

SYNOPSIS

This report relates to the measures employed to effect security of the President's car, 100-X, and the follow-up car, 679-X, on return from Dallas, Texas, following the assassination of President Kennedy.

DETAILS OF INVESTIGATION

This investigation was initiated on November 22, 1963, following receipt of instructions from ASAIC Floyd M. Boring, White House Detail, that steps be taken to effect security of the President's car (100-X) and the follow-up car (679-X) on their return from Dallas, Texas. President John F. Kennedy occupied the rear seat of SS-100-X when he was assassinated, and SS-679-X was directly behind the Presidential limousine at the time of the assassination. There two vehicles were driven to Love Field, Dallas, Texas, for immediate transportation to Andrews Air Force Base, Washington, D.C.

Following the arrival of President Lyndon B. Johnson and the remains of President Kennedy at Andrews Air Force Base, the reporting Special Agents conferred with Captain Milton B. Hartenblower, Duty Operations Officer, and Lt. Colonel Robert Best, Provost Marshal, Andrews Air Force Base, to arrange for landing instruction of the Air Force cargo plane transporting the subject vehicles and to escort these vehicles from Andrews Air Force Base. Also, arrangements were made with the U.S. Park Police for motorcycle escort of these automobiles to the White House Garage.

DISTRIBUTION: Chief Washington

COPIES: Orig. & 2 cc 2 cc

REPORT MADE BY: /s/ Charles E. Taylor, Jr. DATE: 11/27/63

Charles E. Taylor, Jr.

APPROVED: /s/ Harry W. Geiglein DATE: 11/27/63

Harry W. Geiglein

SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: Harry W. Geiglein

CO-2-34,030

Page 2

At 8:00 P.M. on November 22, 1963, SS-100-X and SS-679-X arrived at Andrews Air Force Base on Air Force Cargo Plane No. 612373 (C-130-E), which plane was assigned to the 78th Air Transport Squadron from Charleston Air Force Base and piloted by Captain Thomason. The plane was taxied to a point just off of Runway 1028, approximately 100 yards from the Control Tower at Andrews AFB, and a security cordon was placed around the aircraft while these vehicles were being unloaded.

On the plane accompanying these vehicles were Special Agents Kinney and Hickey.

The Presidential vehicles were driven under escort to the White House Garage at 22nd and M Streets, N.W., Washington, D.C., arriving at approximately 9:00 P.M. SS-100-X was driven by SA Kinney, accompanied by SA Taylor, and SS-679-x was driven by SA Hickey, accompanied by Special Agents Keiser and Brett.

On arrival, SS-100-X was backed into the designated parking bin and SS-679-X was parked a few feet away. A plastic cover was placed over SS-100-X and it was secured. The follow-up car, SS-679-X, was locked and secured. Special Agents Keiser, Brett, and the reporting Special Agent effected security, assisted by White House Policemen Snyder and Rubenstal.

At 10:10 P.M., Deputy Chief Paterni, ASAIC Boring, and representatives from Dr. Burkley's office at the White House, William Martinell and Thomas Mills, inspected SS-100-X.

At 12:01 A.M., November 23, 1963, the security detail was relieved by Special Agents Paraschos and Kennedy and White House Policeman J. W. Edwards.

At 1:00 A.M., as per arrangements by Deputy Chief Paterni, a team of FBI Agents examined the Presidential limousine. This team was comprised of Orrin H. Bartlett, Charles L. Killian, Cortlandt Cunningham, Robert A. Frazier, and Walter E. Thomas .

Mr. Orin Bartlett drove the Presidential vehicle out of the bin. The team of FBI Agents, assisted by the Secret Service Agents on duty, removed the leatherette convertible top and the plexi-glass bubbletop; also the molding strips that secure the floor matting, and the rear seat. What appeared to be bullet fragments were removed from the windshield and the floor rug in the rear of the car.

CO-2-34,030

Page 3

The two blankets on the left and right rear doors were removed, inspected, and returned to the vehicle. The trunk of the vehicle was opened and the contents examined, and nothing was removed. A meticulous examination was made of the back seat to the car and the floor rug, and no evidence was found.

******In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center (Repeat : THE SMALL HOLE JUST TO THE LEFT OF CENTER ..B..)in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed. *********

The team of agents also noted that the chrome molding strip above the windshield, inside the car, just right of center, was dented. The FBI Agents stated that this dent was made by the bullet fragment which was found imbedded in the front cushion.

During the course of this examination, a number of color photos were taken by this FBI <"FBI" inserted in longhand with an arrow> search team. They concluded their examination at 4:30 A.M. and the President's car was reassembled and put back in the storage bin.

At 8:00 A.M. on November 23, the security detail was relieved by Special Agents Hancock and Davis and White House Policeman J. C. Rowe. SA Gonzalez relieved SA Hancock at Noon and at 4:00 P.M., Messrs, Fox and Norton, Protective Research Section, photographed the Presidential limousine. At 4:30 P.M., SA Gonzalez contacted SAIC Bouck and Deputy Chief Paterni and, at their request, the flowers, torn pieces of paper, and other miscellaneous debris were removed from the floor of the car (SS-100-X) and taken to the Washington Field Office. At that time, the special detail securing the Presidential limousine and the follow-up car was discontinued.

DISPOSITION

This case is closed with the submission of this report.

CET:mkd

B...........

FYI.............I have attached the HSCA documents.

Palemla :Let's try this again. Why do you attempt to misrepresent documentation when there is no reason to?

B........The HSCA and other Documentation speaks for itself , and does not misrepresent itself, that dog doesn't hunt........

Since you alone, it would appear, have put so much faith into only one, that being Ferguson's un-numbered , error filled recall...

That was sent accidentally to you, according to one of your very first posts on such, some years back......which if you wish can be provided.

Should you and others perhaps not by now, be paying more attention to other documents........or is Ferguson's the only one allowed....

.within your logic....?

************************

Pamela: "You have not demonstrated that a man in Michigan had any connection to the limousine."...

Pamela :

""The member J.William King, on the forum was correct. It was the most distinct and easily recognized vehicle in the world by that date. ""

Pamela : By that 'logic' anybody in the world could have claimed to see the limo in their shop after the assassination. Are you really satisfied with that?

B.......Why do you alone it would seem, and continually and deliberately ignore all other documentation and witnesses, and continually try to divert the thread, with one man's name that being Whitaker...and why woud you ever seemingly question anyones right to their opinion...and continually do so.?

.......The man on your site that you refer to only, and that it is so odd, your being so critical of his name not being revealed, that he is only referred to as a "man from Michigan."

When his name was revealed in 2003....some 5 years ago...........and on this EF, you have promised, to correct such....a few years back.....? Would you like to read the link?

Where is your so called logic....a subject that you have raised...?

Only one man George Whitaker made that claim, a man who was not aware that people like Richard Dudman. Stavis Ellis, Nick Prencipe, Dr. Evalea Glanges, H. R. Freeman, Charles Taylor, Jr., and other witnesses, from all across the U.S.......and not knowing they would and did corrobrate his account, and that the White House Garage logs would be consistent with Whitaker's account.

Ferguson created a deception that was not consistent with anything and claims to have driven the vehicle when the weather conditions alone would not have permitted such.....

That IMO was and is pure misinformation....and it is now up tp you to prove that it was and is not..

Or would you prefer to continue, I shall accomodate......if that is your wish....there is much more within your information that is very revealing.....

B.......

Working now...

Jim Marrs Looks at the Dallas Police JFK Files

http://www.sumo.tv/watch.php?video=366986

B......

""The member J.William King, on the forum was correct. It was the most distinct and easily recognized vehicle in the world by that date. ""

B......

FYI.............I have attached the HSCA documents.

You will note Astericks....on the last page.....

........ It is very interesting because every one of these note every discrepancy and they ALL relate to Ferguson and in those instances the ONLY support for Ferguson's position is Ferguson himself.....

The other accounts do not mention him being there. A close examination will show even more discrepancies because of Ferguson....

I now think that the HSCA could have been very suspicious of Ferguson , as there is no record they tried to resolve those discrepancies.

If there is information out there, I have not been able to find such, if anyone does have anything pertaining to, please post ....and share....

Some are so obvious like the discrepancy with the Garage logs, the Feruson memo could have been a cover because he knew the limo was in Michigan on November 25 the/63.....?

It would be interesting to know if there was, as Rowley noted, a December 1 st memo. There is also an AP report that the limo was back in Dearborn just before the date of December 20 th.

Also note the official H & E records showing the vehicle in Cinncinnati on December 13 th. It is remarkable that Ferguson, it seems was incapable of even getting one thing correctly.

The weather reports for December 19 th and 20 th suggest there is no possible way the limo was driven from D.C.

IMO......The member J.William King, on the forum was correct. It was the most distinct and easily recognized vehicle in the world by that date.

Note: that the Ferguson memo actually adds nothing to the evidence of conspiracy.....not a hint, not one iota.........now that was his choice...and.....

IMO this apparently is like Pamela. She has criticized Posner and da Bug , in everything I have been able to read by her, but she does not present any evidence of conspiracy.......and that is also her choice......

Also again, note that this document refers to Ferguson's testimony. There has been NO evidence that Ferguson testified at anytime or anywhere......

B......

Thanks for the Nick message, Bernice. Do you have any more? I have

no doubt that he told it like it was...not like someone else's "interpretation."

Jack

***********

Hi Jack :

A few more, some just part, as I am leaving any personal etc, out...not

of anyone elses interest....and not related.....

nprince9@juno.com wrote:

I really dont concern myself too much about what Pamala says or

thinks. I have met may like her

Nick

nprince9@juno.com wrote:

Pam

I am not comfortable with what you have written in the past about

what I submit. You challenge every thing I submit and the basis for it

is some documentation the at you rely on more than an eye witness.

To attempt to correct only brings on a further barrage of questions and

more challenge.

I dont need it and I dont intend to continue it.

Happy Holidays

Nick

***********************

From: NPRINCE9@juno.com

To: pamelam XXXXXXXX

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:51:14 -0500

Subject: Re: misinformation

Pam

The limo was covered, but the front part over the hood and fenders was

not completely covering--and this is to the best of my reccollection. I

cant answer the question as to the plexiglass . I have no idea whether

Bill talked with anyone else and whether they would still be alive.

As far as what I have read that he testified to before the WC--It

surprises me !!!

I dont know if Greer had anything with him, was holding anything, or how

he got to the WH. All I know is that he WAS there and that I DID talk

with him.

Let me make this observation, you are relying on reports that leave a lot

of unanswered questions and we dont really know if they are true,

considering all the contoversy that continues to be posted.

I am in contact with some of my old men and I am still looking for facts

that may be of importance and not hearsay. I could care less about

whatthe SS documents say about where Greer was at any given time, I saw

him as I have related and I talked with him as I have related .

Nick

****************************

From: NPRINCE9@juno.com

To: pamelamxxxxxxxxx

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:20:55 -0500

Subject: misinformation

Pam

I seem to be getting the idea that you think I might have been

looking at the Queen Mary instead of the bubbletop-----------NO WAY

I know each one when I see them--the limo was the one that I saw and when

I went in, it was not completely covered--It appears some one else had

been looking at it.

This I know for certainty--I DID talk with Bill Greer on W. Ex. ave. and

he DID say that bullets were coming from everywhere and I DID see a T and

T hole in the windshield. After all there years I could be a little off

as to the EXACT spot--but it WAS there.

Whatever you have written down--I give you the correct version.

Nick

B.........

What you have left out is that you were trying to coerce Nick Principe into saying he saw a hole in another vehicle, not the limo...

...Actually the hole was on the left side....What existing info on Greer ?.........Was someone following him around recording his movements.....?

Nick knew Greer and saw him...

Recent article on Greer: http://www.tyronetimes.co.uk/2617/Did-Stew...-JFK.4297701.jp

********************

Thanks Mike, for the article......there is much on the web about the Greer did it theory, it some do put much

stock into it..I do not, but then that is just mo.....

But there is also something new within ever article, book, whatever, and that is always appreciated.....

Quote......Nick knew Greer and saw him.....

Best B......

Some may be interested in Jim Marrs input after examing them...

Jim Marrs Looks at the Dallas Police JFK Files

http://www.sumo.tv/watch.php?video=366986

It appears not be working at present, I have reported it, perhaps it will be repaired soon.....?

B..........

Bernice Moore' date Jul 7 2008, 10:40 PM

Pamela would you publish the part of the White House Garage log showing that Arlington glass replaced the glass on November 25, as you stated in your posting and that the Ferguson memo claims.

Pamela :Ferguson was off by one day. The windshield was replaced on Monday, Nov. 26th, 1963. Hopefully, you're not going to try to dispute that.[/size]

YES, that ridiculous assertion is disputed because Monday was the 25th, not the 26th. and the garage logs clearly show the windshield was not replaced on Monday.

That one day means much due to the account of George Whitaker.

How could Ferguson have been so off in such close proximity to the events. since the 26th was on Tuesday.

There are hundreds of reference pointing to the dates, including that Monday (the 25th) was the day of Kennedy's funeral.

http://www.montva.com/calendar.php?ViewMon...&EventType=

Interestingly, almost all businesses were closed that day, except lo and behold, the Ford Motor Company was one of the few that were not.....

This lines up with Whitakers account. Almost nothing conforms to Ferguson's account except that it was a poorly done deception.

.

The SS report is also in error...as well as Ferguson....You will notice that the report has Sat as Nov.23rd which is correct......

But then Sunday becomes the 25th..nada it was the 24 th.....

Then it goes on to say, the windshield was replaced on the 26th...which was Tuesday.....

Better start tweaking that research of yours Pamela....

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=4

Pamela :If this post is an example of your research process, it needs some tweaking, as you have fallen prey to the fallacy of false alternatives.

...

B..........

Mark:

You may be interested in these few links, re the Moschettieri......

Ritchson....

The work done by jerrymac shows the presence of at least two different rifles designated CE-139/C2766 and that one of them is a very rare ceremonial rifle known as a Moschettieri del Duce Carcano which was possibly smuggled into the US after WWII by General Walker who commanded a special forces battalion in Italy and who was in a position to recieve the surrender of the Gardia del Duce or Mussolini's Guard along with their ceremonial rifles. Also Jack White has produced evidence of 3 different rifles, two of them with distinctly different front sight blades, one of which is of a shark-fin configuration, while the other has what Jack calls a derby-hat configuration.

http://www.angelfire.com/me/carcano/richards.html

Carcano Model Identification

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/models.html

An Assassination Rifle - the Fucile M 91/38 "C 2766"

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/c2766.html

Carcano's

http://translate.google.com/translate?sour...arcano91%2ehtml

Below originally from Deanie's site.....Evidence black handle ? Carcano.....

Mark:

Yes, I am following.........surprise.....

From memory...groan...Been a long time...

There is also infomation and I am having a look, that the rifle he LHO,

Hidell, ordered was from the wrong month of the Rifle magazine, the rifle that

he supposedly placed the order for was not advertised..

so ??

I know this is another ...but the M.O to pay for such, was received I believe

a month too early for that particuar issue, re the rifle not being advertised for sale..

and the M/O was never deposited to any bank...this also leads to the

scullduggery re Kleins, their records and the Agencies....

Just passing this along to confuse you all the more.....

Are we having fun yet.....

This may be the link you were searching for......

The Moschettieri Del Duce Carcano, LHO'S Alledged Murder Weapon

and John'e information.....

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=126&t=2923

Please carry on, interesting......

B.....

B.......

B...

B.......

Second try.........

Mark:

I found a folder with whatevers concerning the rfile, here are a few....

some may be of interest to you..A few are Jack White's work.......

B.....

Det Paul Bentley and Det.LC Graves were bro in laws..

In another write up........Bentley's grandson related that Bentley woud tease Graves that he had caught

LHO and that Graves let him be shot....

Graves is seen below on the right, with Det.Jim Levealle, leading LHO out to his death...

Bentley with the cigar......and Det.Gerald Hill , the man who was everywhere, on the right......

B.....

Pamela Quote : I interviewed Nick Prencipe by phone in March of 2000.

From: NPRINCE9@juno.com

To: pamelam@xxxxxxxxx

Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:06:01 -0400

Subject: Re: reply

Message-ID: <20000707.080612.-3697521.1.NPRINCE9@juno.com>

Pam

I try to be as helpful as I can, but I am a bit upset at some of the

choice of words I note from time to time. When you state that you will

follow up and see what makes sense, I dont follow this line of thinking.

I knew the limo when I saw it, I sure saw it many times and even sat in

it. There was someone else in the process of lifing the tarp from its

partially lifted position, as I recall. And I did see a bullet hole, so

if there was a bullet hole, or damage to another one of the cars, there

is a new track to follow.

I do not remember what time I got home that night, or the next morning, I

have no idea what time it was.

My interest in ALL available facts in this are similar to others, I weigh

whatever I see, hear or read for my own judgements, something I have been

doing for the most part of my 84 years.

I was not aware that you were writing a book on this. so I can wait for

some the queries I made.

Regards

NICK [/i]

Thank you for posting a copy of this email from Nick. Mine were lost in a pc crash. As you can see, I was asking for details that might give an idea as to what time he went to the WHG, who was there, and facts that might be corroborated by other information.

He recalled seeing Greer that evening, yet according to existing information at this point, nobody saw Greer leave Bethesda during the evening. He also recalled walking in and pulling up the tarp on the limo without anyone questioning him, whereas the SS claimed that there were people around the car all evening. He also provided me with a location of low on the left side. He later said he couldn't recall the location. When one does not have all the answers it makes more sense to provide the information available and allow others to weigh and evaluate it. Eventually, the missing pieces may appear.

I was not asked to write a chapter on SS-100-X for CAR CRASH CULTURE, Palgrave, 2001, until after I had interviewed Nick. I explained when I interviewed him that I would communicate with him about using information from the interview in a research paper or anything at the level of the press. So I sent him a draft of the chapter for his input. This email was in response to that.

**********************

What you have left out is that you were trying to coerce Nick Principe into saying he saw a hole in another vehicle, not the limo...

...Actually the hole was on the left side....What existing info on Greer ?.........Was someone following him around recording his movements.....?

Nick knew Greer and saw him...

From: NPRINCE9@juno.com

To: pamel

Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 07:18:41 -0400

Subject: Re: QUESTION

Message-ID: <20000703.072039.-3702699.0.NPRINCE9@juno.com>

Pam

I will answer this in several parts

First of all --If I had not been on duty--you can bet that I would have

been on my way home.

I was at the command post all evening and was in contact with my excort

men at Andrews AFB--I was aware of every thing that was taking

place--from that distance--it was only in ref to what my boys were doing.

During the period that I was there--and this was not too long after the

plane had brought the family back, I noticed Bill standing in the

street--west executive ave--only about 50-60 feet or so from me. I went

to him and we shook hands and thats when he made his statement to me.

I resumed my activity and I heard the transmissions re the escort of the

limo to the garage. Later--and I cant pin it down to any specific

minute, I went to the garage--it was not that far away. There were still

some people around and I just walked in--nobody stopped me or paid any

attention to me--all those guys in the SS and State dept. etc knew me and

were used to me being in many places at many times.

From the best of my rec. there was someone else interested in seeing that

w shield and we saw it together and

there WAS a hole in it..................

Nick

B...

David G. Healy' date='Jul 15 2008, 03:08 AM'

Quote :Pamela said:

In Nick's interview with me he gave a position for the hole he thought he saw. In his subsequent interview with Weldon he could not recall a location.

Nick "thought" he saw? This the same Nick Prencipe that belonged to JFKResearch up to the time he died? Washington D.C. cop? Who also knew SA Greer, this the same guy your talking about? And so we get this right, did you interview Nick or did he interview you? When and where did this interview take place?

Thanks

Pamela Quote : I interviewed Nick Prencipe by phone in March of 2000.

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From: NPRINCE9@juno.com

To: pamelam@xxxxxxxxx

Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:06:01 -0400

Subject: Re: reply

Message-ID: <20000707.080612.-3697521.1.NPRINCE9@juno.com>

Pam

I try to be as helpful as I can, but I am a bit upset at some of the

choice of words I note from time to time. When you state that you will

follow up and see what makes sense, I dont follow this line of thinking.

I knew the limo when I saw it, I sure saw it many times and even sat in

it. There was someone else in the process of lifing the tarp from its

partially lifted position, as I recall. And I did see a bullet hole, so

if there was a bullet hole, or damage to another one of the cars, there

is a new track to follow.

I do not remember what time I got home that night, or the next morning, I

have no idea what time it was.

My interest in ALL available facts in this are similar to others, I weigh

whatever I see, hear or read for my own judgements, something I have been

doing for the most part of my 84 years.

I was not aware that you were writing a book on this. so I can wait for

some the queries I made.

Regards

NICK

B......

Hi Peter :

There are the .......Three on Johnson......then scroll and go to each of the Final Chapter episodes...

there are several......

Those and the LBJ are all now what are missing.......or so they thought.....

Yes I was remiss, thank you Gil ....for enabling all....as well as the many others you have

provided....they are very appreciated...

You are all very welcome..

B.....

Here you go, Girl...........Was It Johnson ?.......The missing three hours.....

as well as all the other episodes of the Men Who Killed Kennedy....

http://tiny.cc/C1Cjv

If a problem with that link..then........

http://www.youtube.com/results?search=rela...p;v=7mzZGK9tNyM

B...........

Another oddity,

Interesting that Rowley's memo on page 4 of CD 80, refers to the Ferguson memo that is dated December 1st, 1963.

The memo we have is dated December 18 th, 1963.

Was there a December 1st memo that had to be corrected (if so, sloppily) on December 18 th. ?

Also, in a chronology of the limo prepared by the HSCA, it refers to testimony by Mr. Ferguson.

I cannot find any testimony by him.

Where is that testimony.....??

B.......

Pamela would you publish the part of the White House Garage log showing that Arlington glass replaced the glass on November 25, as you stated in your posting and that the Ferguson memo claims.

Below is the Ferguson statement where he does relate that date......

But within the SS W/H Garge log, the closest that comes to such, but with No Date, mentioned is on page 2...

See below......also...

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/....do?docId=10482

B.....

Edited, for spelling.

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Well will you have a look....I did find it, and the FBI states that the Arlington Glass replaced the windshield on page 4, on........

Nov.26th.........not the 25th as Pamela re the Ferguson statement states.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=4

B..........

Pamela would you publish the part of the White House Garage log showing that Arlington glass replaced the glass on November 25, as you stated in your posting and that the Ferguson memo claims.

Below is the Ferguson statement where he does relate that date......

But within the SS W/H Garge log, the closest that comes to such, but with No Date, mentioned is on page 2...

See below......also...

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/....do?docId=10482

B.....

Edited, for spelling.

Bill, any evidentiary value of the mobile crime scene better known as SS-100-X was lost on Monday, November 25, 1963 when the limo was taken to Hess & Eisenhardt in Cincinnati and was essentially stripped. So while it IS a crime scene, it is one in name only since that date.

Kinda like Elm Street in Dallas after repaving and curb restriping.

The SS did informal searches of the limo during the 12 hours following the assassination. Then the FBI did a rather cursory forensic exam at 1 a.m. 11.23.63. All of this is detailed at my JFK website www.in-broad-daylight.com. It was cleaned out on Saturday, the windshield replaced on Monday by Arlington Glass, and new carpeting installed in early December.

The limo was kept in the White House Garage until December 20, 1963 when Vaughn Ferguson Drove it to Dearborn to be gutted and rebuilt as a bulletproof limo.

Sounds like you may be referencing Mr. Whittaker, who has attempted to appropriate Vaughn Ferguson's statements and rework them into his own experiences. Ferguson was at Dearborn regularly and played golf with a number of FMC employees. Ferguson told the story of his experiences with the limo to numerous people. He was very unhappy with the govt treatment of the car. A few other employees at the FMC have attempted to appropriate Ferguson's statments as well. This is evidence of the significance of the limo as the crime scene.

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Quote: Pamela : "Sounds like you may be referencing Mr. Whittaker, who has attempted to appropriate Vaughn Ferguson's statements and rework them into his own experiences. Ferguson was at Dearborn regularly and played golf with a number of FMC employees. Ferguson told the story of his experiences with the limo to numerous people. He was very unhappy with the govt treatment of the car. A few other employees at the FMC have attempted to appropriate Ferguson's statments as well. "

There is no congruity between Whitaker's account and Ferguson so how could he rework anything into his account and for what purpose? He never mentioned anything to anyone but his family and he insisted on anonymity so what purpose would there be to do this? Who are these other employees that have attempted to appropriate Ferguson's statements? Can you name one and give an account?.

Quote Pamela,"Ferguson was at Dearborn regularly and played golf with a number of FMC employees.."

From what is known, it is not thought that Whitaker played golf and certainly no thought that he would have ever met Ferguson. What is truly amazing is that you without any knowledge, have suggestsed that Whitaker played golf with Ferguson and along with others....possibly weaved themselves into his fictictious account. Are you referencing here one of your own made up statements....?? Name the others and give an account....

........ In addition, Mr. Whitaker started telling his family about what happeneed right away (November 25). Ferguson was allegedly in D.C. for a long time after the asassination ( Pamela are you suggesting that Ferguson was golfing in Michigan in December?) Check the weather. His account was not allegedly written until December 18th and many of the events were post November 25, so how could Whitaker weave anything into his account (though there is not one similarity.)

B..........

From post # 25........Re Nick Prencipe.....

Quote Pamela: "Weldon encouraged Stavis Ellis to move the location of the hole he thought he saw upwards, and for Nick Prencipe to 'forget' the location of the hole he saw after he had already provided a location for it. "

Quote B:......"There was only One witness who recalled seeing the hole a bit lower in the windshield, than the other witnesses, and that was Stavis Ellis...Doug notes this information in his chapter in "Murder In Dealey Plaza"...and he offers an explanation..He does not gloss anything over.....Doug spoke to Stavis hundreds of times..

Stavis was only certain that there was a bullethole and admitted his recollection as to the exact location could have been flawed...

Quote : Pamela "Not so. Nick Prencipe also saw a hole low on the windshield, at least when I interviewed him. Later, Weldon got him to say that he couldn't recall where the hole was. A legal tactic at the least. As you have pointed out, Weldon also got Ellis to be 'uncertain' about where the hole was he thought he saw. Rather convenient."

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> From: NPRINCE9@juno.com

> To: pamelamXXXXXXX

> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:18:36 -0400

> Subject: Re: Re: reply again

> Message-ID: <20000710.082154.-3779853.1.NPRINCE9XXXXXX

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> Pam

> Over the years--many--I have met people from all walks of life and I

> am a pretty good listener and observer.

> When some have a particular interest or goal in mind--many things that

> are pertinent--but present an opposite version or opinion--there is

> always an inclination to avoid what is evident, or to attempt todiscredit

> it.

> I have always spoken exactly what I feel and to whomever I am addressing

> and I will never change. I have ralked with Presidents and in one case,

> gave one a scorching he did not expect--and apologized for it--this is

> the truth.

> >From day one, I have talked with fellow officers and other people, about

> talking with Greer the night of the event.

> I have not changed anything I ever stated, and nver will, even under

> oath. That is my position.

> As far as remembering who was where and what time it was and other

> confirmations, its been a long time and I never put too much emphasis on

> them, but the facts stated remain AS IS AND WERE.

>

> Thanks, good luck Nick

B.........