Bernice Moore

Here you go John W.......Dal Tex.......

From Sat.Evening Post...and a French Magazine 3 days after.

They went to the Dal Tex thinking that was the building that

the shots had originated from....not the TSBD..they did not know

any better.......or did they..??

B..

Quote ""The saga continues. The back of the new sign. It has no rain sensor like the old

sign. I guess that to remove the sensor, they just had to make a whole new sign?

The question...Why was the perfectly good sign replaced and moved?""

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The saga concludes (as far as we know). The lamppost near the underpass, which

had already been moved once in the past, HAS BEEN MOVED AGAIN, from the

sidewalk up onto the grassy slope, and HAS BEEN CHANGED TO A SHORTER

POLE with a DIFFERENT STYLE BASE!

The things in Dealey Plaza sure wear out fast from people looking at them and

taking photos of them. Lots of wear and tear, requiring frequent replacement.

There may be other changes. These are the only four we have photos of.

The question...Why was this perfectly good lamppost totally changed and

repositioned?

These are not trivial questions. Changes like this require reasons. Why the

expense and bother TO CHANGE THINGS FROM THE WAY THEY WERE IN

1963? Or IS that the reason?

Jack White

Quote : ""The saga continues. Signs wear out fast in Dealey Plaza. For no apparent reason

this highway sign was completely replaced in a new location with the same wording.

The question...Why was the perfectly good sign replaced and moved.""

**************

The saga continues. The back of the new sign. It has no rain sensor like the old

sign. I guess that to remove the sensor, they just had to make a whole new sign?

The question...Why was the perfectly good sign replaced and moved?

Jack

Quote: ""When TGZFH came out, John Costella was widely criticized for his observations

about numerous "RAIN SENSORS" throughout Dealey Plaza. Now the saga

continues.""

Early this year, a Dallas attorney named Josh Turin read the book and volunteered

to me and John to go to the plaza and take photos of the present state of things.

I am going to explain this in a series of postings, because each of John's composites

of his and Turin's photos need differen explanations.

This first one is a TYPICAL one that shows ALL THE SENSORS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

The question...Why have the sensors been removed?""

************

The saga continues. Signs wear out fast in Dealey Plaza. For no apparent reason

this highway sign was completely replaced in a new location with the same wording.

The question...Why was the perfectly good sign replaced and moved?

Jack

Posted for Jack White..

When TGZFH came out, John Costella was widely criticized for his observations

about numerous "RAIN SENSORS" throughout Dealey Plaza. Now the saga

continues.

Early this year, a Dallas attorney named Josh Turin read the book and volunteered

to me and John to go to the plaza and take photos of the present state of things.

I am going to explain this in a series of postings, because each of John's composites

of his and Turin's photos need differen explanations.

This first one is a TYPICAL one that shows ALL THE SENSORS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

The question...Why have the sensors been removed?

I will explain each composite as I add it.

Jack

Robin:

Here's Hugh Betzner, fair haired, standing up against the wall..

....as good as it gets, for now....Jack.....

B........

Hi Jack:

Sorry none here either....I...also would like one of Jim Murray.

Here is one of Robert Hughes...

B..

Hi Charlie

..I fully agree....."who knows what was actually in her taped secret conversations with the President and Attorney GeneraL"........

...for all we do know, they never discussed politics.....nor Mafioso ..ever.....nor any subject related in anyway, if they were in personal contact, that is......other than records the government says exisited of telephone calls, and tapes between MM and the Ks....and what some people said they saw.....what is there......??.supposition...

That is, if they were in actuality ever taped, and if those tapes ever existed, as has been suppositioned..

It has also been said by some that there was a MM Diary a red book.........but it is not known positively nor has it been ever, what was in said book, if it did in fact exist...and was a diary...more supposition..

There is absolutley no proof they did, or ever were......except for what some people have stated.... supposition..

Now what do we have ?

Tapes and a book that may have existed......years of gossip, about what could possibley have been in such .......so in otherwords, we do not know anything in relation to about what we are trying to discuss......??

Except for further suppositioning....?

How can anyone discuss the subject, of possible tapes, a possible diary, possible personal phone calls, or sexual personal contact, of which there is no positive proof nor authenticated documentation given as to what it all may involve, if it ever did........other than what some people have said....?.and or come to any positive conclusion or enlightenment in any way....it would seem to be a perfect endless nonsensical subject...to divert peoples attention....from their studys...

For all we know, these elements may have been completely ficticious, including additional figments of some peoples imaginations or a deliberatley invented part of a plan.....after all concerned were dead.......so as to continually muddy the waters and reputations of those that may have been involved, in the first place......and thereby deliberately further diverting the peoples attention away from the conspiracy...that killed the President.....thereby using a Hollywood type gossip mill, suppositioning to further add to the confusion..

So bottom line what do we have..?...a long thread discussing and in some cases arguing about.......supposition..

So why am I wasting my time on more suppositioning, who the hell knows.....

B........

James, Thanks for the McGehee photo...I have read of the push for Walker for President, do not know

if I saved............yikes how about

The only other bit I have on Goran, in my research... that I can post right now is below...a

continuation...for whatever.....

....which I should get back to as well

as others.....this was in preparation for the

President's visit, that almost for a short time, appeared could have possibly been changed, that is how serious

some felt the situation to be....but as we know.

Preparing for the Visit.

The controversy did not excite the leadership, very much or for very long. The general reaction was it was a tempest in a teapot, and should be settled and forgotten. Most criticism within Dallas came from the “Arts News”, a magazine not part of the required reading of the Citizen’s Council members. The jostling of LBJ and his wife in 60

Had raised some eyebrows and may have cost the Republicans Texas, but it did not cost them Dallas. Where, Alger placard and all was handily elected and where the city had gone strong for Nixon and Lodge..

Some people though had begun to worry, seriously about the cities national reputation, but most did not. Many of the businessmen were worried more about Johnson’s own reaction than they were about any national criticism of Dallas, businessmen are nothing if not realists, and when Kennedy and Johnson had carried the country these leaders saw arid years ahead. No American city in the 20th century progressed very far without the interest and benevolence of Washington.

A couple of weeks after the Federal election, the author had a lunch with a Dallas Democrat who had said bitterly, “This Town’s in great shape now. We’ve got a congressman who even the Republicans can’t talk to, we’ve got a Vice President who hates our guts and we’ve got a good Irish Catholic politician in the White House who remembers where his votes came from---or didn’t come from. Eight years of this and we’ll be lucky if we’re still bigger than Waco”. Waco was a central Texas city, with a population of 100,000 at the time....

But the Stevenson incident really did shock the city. Not only had the liberal press of the nation hop all over Dallas, but one of it’s own newspapers the “Dallas-Times-Herald” came out with a savage editorial that had bore the headlines “Dallas Disgrace” written by A.C. Green. The editorial did impress the rest of the country as being

sensible self rebuke, and it impressed the citizens of Dallas after all these years of standing for home and motherhood, but more than the article the incident had hit hard at their conscience.

This gentle dignified man of high office should have been attacked in their city, was horrifying to rational people, including civic leaders. In scores of conversation after, the author states he heard many a conversation where men stated, such as...

“This town has gone nuts. What on earth has happened to us? They’re going to have to add a line to the city limits sign, saying, City Limits Of Dallas---Unsafe!” ..

Men who had spent their lives trying to build the city were jolted. As Dallas like other cities depended on contacts and doing business with other cities within the U.S. Bankers, lawyers, insurance men, oil men, etc worked with them every day in such places as N.Y and L.A. they traveled a great deal. .

They were very unaccustomed to feeling shame rather than pride, when they signed in from Dallas, on a hotel register.

Especially with even a Republican paper like the Dallas-Times-Herald

was condemning their own city.

“I think”, Stanley Marcus said one day to a group of his officers, “ that we ought to see whether or not we can persuade President Kennedy to change his mind about visiting Dallas. Frankly, I don’t think this city is safe for it.”

This meeting in Mr. Marcus’s office went on for three hours; the author recalls they usually met to discuss the store, and the city itself. This stocky, intelligent man would tell them about anything pertaining to Dallas. Educational, artistic endeavors which he thought the store as a corporation should back. They were always of progress, and doing things to better it.

Here they were now gathered to discuss whether to or not un-invite the President of the United States to this same city. No one was thinking in terms of assassination, they were thinking of spitting, striking and throwing things and the kind of indignities they had seen before. They were thinking of the President himself being harmed or insulted. They were thinking about how Dallas might best avoid another scandalous incident so soon after the previous. Marcus’s concern was far from the only expression of such.

Ambassador Stevenson had telephoned Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., to suggest the President cancel the trip. Stevenson had promised Jack Goren, the UN chairman, that he would do so. On the trip back to the airport Goren had suggested that Adlai talk to the President about the fanatics within the city and warn him that such a trip may not be safe.

Stevenson agreed and he did call Schlesinger, but a day or two later after he had reconsidered, he called Schlesinger again to say that if he felt his trip to be politically feasible, he should go ahead and make it. The author was sure that like many others he felt the Secret Service would protect the President in case the Dallas police could not.

Many of the cities leaders met at a lunch for a discussion of the same problem. The consensus was you simply could not un-invite a President of the U.S to your city…..and if you did, a man such as Kennedy would not pay the slightest attention. It was decided that the President was going to come, and whatever warnings he did receive it was up to the city to organize a campaign which would keep the mouth of the far right closed, at least during the President’s stay.

The campaign was arranged similar to how the peaceful integration had been arranged. Sam Bloom, the advertising man, was put in charge of it. The CC agreed to serve as host for a luncheon at the Trade Mart where Kennedy was to make his talk. The mayor was asked to make a statement imploring his people to greet the President with warmth and hospitality and to not show any disapproval to any of his policies by actions disrespectful of his office.

The newspapers had also agreed to co-operate fully, the police department was alerted to spot any agitator and remove such quickly before any trouble started. Unfriendly pickets were discouraged, but if any turned up they were to be placed well at the back of the crowd, away from Kennedy’s person. The preachers were also asked to advise their congregations.

This time the establishment was not the sole director it had to contend with the White House planning as well.

“It was a mess from hell to breakfast”, Sam Bloom said, “and I suppose things will always be”. We were plugging along at the agency, trying to get organized for the visit, when a guy comes in and says, “Well Mr. Bloom, I want you to know I am the coordinator for the White House”. I said “Well, how do you do?” And he left.....

The next day I had a call from a man up in Washington who said, “Good morning, Mr. Bloom, I’m the coordinator for the White House”. “Well we seem to have two coordinators for the White House “, I said,” because somebody came in to see me yesterday and he said he was the coordinator for the White House”. Well this guy, in Washington said, “Don’t bother about him, my authority supersedes his. I said “Ok fine”.....

The next day we had a call from another man up there and he said, “Good morning, Mr. Bloom, I’m the coordinator for the White House”, and I said to him, “Well, as far as I can see, you fellows better start coordinating because you’re the third coordinator and it seems to me that what you ought to be doing is coordinating the coordinators.” .....

“Then we had the Yarborough interests, the Kennedy interests, the Johnson interests, the Connally interests, some labor leaders , some loyal democrats, some not loyal democrats, all plugging at us for tickets and we didn’t have enough.... Somebody told us, that the White House itself wanted 150 tickets and Governor Connally would need 50. We marked the ‘W.H’ tickets and the Connally tickets ‘G.C’. Before it was all over we had to get them all back because we figured these would be handed out at random, and we were getting too many protests from the people who couldn’t get in”.

“It was the White House that wanted the motorcade. Actually, in Washington, they kept telling us we were trying to tighten things up too much. Maybe we were, but we were worried because of the Johnson and the Stevenson incidents. We didn’t want anything to happen. They kept telling us that Kennedy handled these things very well, that he had seen lots of pickets and that they didn’t bother him.. So they ordered the motorcade. They wanted him visible to the maximum number of people over the maximum number of miles within the scheme. We got the idea that we were a lot more nervous than anybody else about the reception the President would get.. We were thinking that incidents that might not be important somewhere else, would make the news if they happened in Dallas.

“I want to say one nice thing about the security people, the secret service. They were the best people we dealt with. They knew what they wanted, they put it on lists and all we had to do was to provide it at the right time, which of course we did.

“I’d also like to say that I think the campaign worked very well. Dallas was well prepared by the various media for the President’s visit and you could tell if you were out there. After all, there were a couple of hundred thousand people, all friendly and all waving and smiling. In spite of all the earlier confusion, I think the presentation that had been planned was honorable, modest and decent. The speeches had been held to a minimum and the Mayor Erik Johnson was handling things fine.”

“As everyone knows, Mrs. Connally, the wife of the Governor of Texas, agreed with Mr. Bloom. “Well, you certainly can’t say the people of Dallas are against you today,” she said to President Kennedy only moments before he was shot and killed and her own husband seriously wounded.”..

"Dallas Public and Private" Warren Leslie

Info from Pages, 200-208.

Thanks......B.....

There may be something of interest below..

Mr. COUCH - Part-time television news cameraman with WFAA-TV Dallas.

snip...

Mr. BELIN - Where was he at the time you made this statement?

Mr. COUCH - Uh - he was standing on that little sidewalk that runs between the - I met him on the little sidewalk between the Book Depository property and the beginning of the parkway.

Mr. BELIN - That would be the west side of the Depository Building?

Mr. COUCH - That's right; that's right. It's there that I saw blood on the sidewalk.

Mr. BELIN - All right. Now, you say you saw blood on the sidewalk, Mr. Couch?

Mr. COUCH - That's right.

Mr. BELIN - Where was that?

Mr. COUCH - This was the little walkway - steps and walkway that leads up to the corner, the west corner, the southwest corner of the book Depository Building. Another little sidewalk, as I recall, turns west and forms that little parkway and archway right next to the Book Depository Building.

Mr. BELIN - Did this appear to be freshly created blood?

Mr. COUCH - Yes; right.

Mr. BELIN - About how large was this spot of blood that you saw?

Mr. COUCH - Uh - from 8 to 10 inches in diameter.

Mr. BELIN - Did people around there say how it happened to get there, or not?

Mr. COUCH - No; no one knew. People were watching it - that is watching it carefully and walking and pointing to it. Uh - just as I ran up, policemen ran around the west corner and ran - uh - northward on the side of the building. And my first impression was that - uh - that they had chased someone out of the building around that corner, or possibly they had wounded someone. All of those policemen had their pistols pulled. And people were pointing back around those shrubs and that west corner and - uh - you would think that there was a chase going on in that direction.

Again, the reason that I didn't follow was because A.J. had come up, and my first concern was to get back with the President.

Mr. BELIN - This pool of blood - about how far would it have been north of the curbline of Elm Street as Elm Street goes under the expressway?

Mr. COUCH - I'd say - uh - well, from Elm Street, you mean, itself?

Mr. BELIN - Yes. This is from that part of Elm Street that goes into the expressway?

Mr. COUCH - I'd say - uh - 50 to 60 feet, and about 10 to 15 feet from the corner of the Texas Depository Building.

Mr. BELIN - It would be somewhere along that park area there?

Mr. COUCH - Right.

Mr. BELIN - Was there anything else you noticed by this pool of blood?

Mr. COUCH - No. There were no objects on the ground. We looked for something. We thought there would be something else, but -

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The "Dead" Secret Service Agent Saga

and the Agent(s) on the Knoll

by Vince Palamara

This article by DPQ Associate Editor Vince Palamara originally appeared in the October 1997 issue of JFK Deep Politics Quarterly. Used by permission of the author.

All rights reserved.

In the July, 1997 JFK Deep Politics Quarterly article "Jim Fox and the Dead Secret Service Agent Story," Mark Crouch raised some fascinating possibilities. In fact, I was so inspired by that article that I finally decided to do something I should have done a long time ago: namely, detail every scrap of data concerning this mystery, as well as the one concerning the "agent(s)" of unknown repute spotted in Dealey Plaza immediately after the assassination.

First things first, however -- here is every known reference to the dead agent I could find as reported in the media on November 22, 1963. Eddie Barker, KRLD-TV, a CBS affiliate, noted, "The word is that the President was killed, one of his agents is dead, and Governor Connally was wounded." ABC News in Washington reported, "A Secret Service agent apparently was shot by one of the assassin's bullets." ABC's Bill Lord report included, "Did confirm the death of the secret service agent... one of the Secret Service agents was killed...Secret Service agents usually walk right beside the car." ABC Washington also noted, "One of the Secret Service agents traveling with the President was killed today."

The Associated Press (AP) was quoted on WFAA (ABC):"A Secret Service agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed some distance from where the President was shot." At 12:45 p.m. CST, KRLD-TV, a CBS affiliate, reported that a Secret Service agent had been killed along with the President.

At 1:23 pm, CST, CBS's Walter Cronkite reported, "A Secret Service man was also killed in the fusillade of shots." Seth Kantor, a reporter for Scripps-Howard, would write in his notebook, which was published by the Warren Commission [20H 410] "They even have to die in secret." At 2:14, the AP again made note: "A Secret Service Agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed today. The Dallas Police radio, channel two, also carried the story: (2:40 p.m.) "One of the Secret Service men on the field--Elm and Houston, said that it came over his Teletype that one of the Secret Service men had been killed." The Dallas Times Herald , dateline November 22, 1963, added, "From the Secret Service office in Dallas--a spokesman could neither confirm or deny the report: 'All I've heard is the same reports you've heard [sic]'." At 3:40 p.m. Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Robert A. Wallace reported, "No Secret Service man was injured in the attack on President Kennedy," a denial of sorts, but it does not indicate if one was killed, or if there was violence away from "the attack on President Kennedy."

Beyond this, several authors, this one included, have come upon information that, in one way or another, appears to corroborate the story to a certain extent. What follows is a listing of these findings. In High Treason 2 (p. 439), DNC advance man Marty Underwood said to Harry Livingstone-- "There were a couple of suicides in the thing, with the Secret Service and everything..." Livingstone: "Do you remember who committed suicide?" Underwood: "I don't remember. I think there were a couple...." [He is then cut off by Livingstone.]

Secondly, inthis author's book The Third Alternative (p. 36): "While all three major television networks reported that "A Secret Service agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed' on 11/22/63, only to be officially corrected later by Secret Service officials, this author learned from Crouch, [Mark Crouch,friend and confidante of PRS agent/photographer James K. "Jack" Fox] that Agent Fox stated that the story was true!! According to Crouch, Fox was working in theExecutive Office Building on 11/ 22/63 (where

the PRS office was), when he was asked by SAIC of PRS Robert Bouck to get ready a detail of four to six agents to assist in retrieving the body and casket of the unnamed Secret Service agent. Fox told Crouch, "We lost a man that day- our man ,' and qualified his remarks by stating that he was not referring to JFK! This was a deathbed confession of sorts, -- Fox died not long after telling Crouch this in the early 1980's [ed. note: Fox died in 1987]. (Interestingly, although having heard the news reports that stated that the President's limousine raced to Parkland Hospital after the shooting, Mrs. Bill Greer thought for several hours that her husband had perished that day! Since she knew that Greer was the driver of JFK's car, this appears to be a strange admission. See Death of a President, p. 354, 1988 edition; interview of Richard Greer, 10/7/91)";

Third, from Richard Trask's Pictures of the Pain, (p. 50): Mrs. Cecil Stoughton had similar concerns about her husband to those of Mrs. Greer cited above, no doubt due to these same reports.

These tidbits, seemingly corroborative data concerning this mysterious, unnamed "dead" agent, tantalize us with the sheer volume of their credibility. With this in mind, I decided to "get specific" and try to FIND this deceased Secret Service Agent. Initially, I thought I might have found him: ATSAIC Stewart G. "Stu" Stout , stationed at the Trade Mart on November 22, 1963, died--cause unknown--immediately after Dallas, according to Agents Sam Kinney and Floyd Boring (author's interviews, 1994). In fact, Boring initially doubted that Stout was even in Dallas ("Gee, I don't think so...then again, I guess I should have known he was there because he died shortly thereafter.") Ironically, S/A Stout rode in the hearse [JFK's] (presumably upright, and breathing) from Parkland Hospital to Love Field on November 22, 1963!! [stout had also been involved in protecting Truman at Blair House during the assassination attempt on November 1, 1950 along with Floyd Boring, as well as having been with Vice President Nixon in Caracas, Venezuela, in 1958.] However, three items of data appear to quash this initial identification of the "dead" agent: First, Stout's report of his activities, dated 11/29/63 (18H 785); secondly, Stout's report, dated April 29, 1964, concerning the infamous drinking incident (18H 680); finally, an actual film clip of Stout with LBJ in California in 1964 as depicted in the 1992 PBS video "LBJ." Reports of Stout's demise apparently were, at least initially, exaggerated.

So the use of the word "immediately" by Kinney and Boring appears to be a slight case of hyperbole on their part. So I then focused on the other two agents, Emory Roberts, and Henry Rybka, who always aroused my suspicions in regard to this matter.

Fellow ATSAIC Emory P. Roberts died of unknown causes, the very same time an unnamed agent took his life in the... "Sixties, in Washington, with his own weapon. There were signs he was beginning to buckle," as former agent Chick Rochner explained to fellow former agent Marty Venker ! ("Confessions of an Ex-Secret Service Agent," pp. 216-217) As for Agent Rybka, the only written confirmation of his appearance after November 22,1963, is his alleged report found on 25H 787. However, unlike every other report found in volumes 18 and 25, save Agent Greer's, it is undated. In addition, there is a strange lack of detail and content, and there is no approval stamp by SAIC Behn. Keeping in mind the three documents that place him in the follow-up car on November 22, when he actually was left behind at Love Field (see JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly , October, 1996), something appears to be amiss.

Unfortunately for this specific quest, Roberts and the "unnamed" agent died in the late 1960s, while Rybka's presence as late as November 27 is confirmed by S/A Roy Kellerman in his WC testimony (2H 86), ...so much for that. Still, there HAD to be something to these tales of the "dead" agent; I decided to look still further. After an exhaustive examination of EVERY agent even remotely associated with the Texas trip (using the Warren Report, the 26 volumes, the HSCA materials, newly released interviews, plus Secret Service shift reports as sources), I have come to the conclusion I feel I can state most firmly: the only agent who is a real viable candidate for possibly being the dead agent is Dennis R. Halterman, a White House Detail agent who, as the shift reports bear out, was in San Antonio with the President on November 21 but who, for all intents and purposes, "disappears" from the record after that date. In essence, there is no written record of if, when, how, or where he went after that stop on the Texas tour: to Houston? Dallas? Austin? Washington? Halterman's name was known to me before I obtained the shift reports last year, as he is listed as being a member of the WH Detail in an alphabetical listing provided by Fred Ciacelli of the traveling JFK Museum to me in late 1993. It was also from this list that I asked Sam Kinney if Halterman--along with several heretofore unknown agents of the WHD present on this list--were still alive back in March, 1994. Kinney told me Halterman was deceased, but did not say when or how he died, mainly because I did not ASK him at that time. I have since tried to ask the question to former S/A Kinney, but have not been able to contact him.

But that is it--no other reference is made to Halterman anywhere else, and he is the only agent who could possible be a candidate for the "dead" agent, based on my personal research.

Equally intense was my search for the "agent" of unknown repute who appears in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. Was he real? Was he an illusion? Was it a case of mistaken identity? Was he a fake agent? Was he a real agent? These were the questions I had to answer, or try to, to the best of my ability. As we shall see shortly, I chose the last option as being the correct choice.

As a precondition, we shall discard the problematic "identifications" of Jean Hill, as she testified to being encountered by a Secret Service agent who was most likely Dallas Times Herald reporter Jim Featherstone; equally valueless was the statement of Lee Oswald (see 24H 479), as the "agent" he pointed to a phone booth in the TSBD after the shooting was most likely WFAA newsman Pierce Allman or the more commonly identified Robert MacNeil after all. We do not need to rely on these accounts, as there are other sources. The following people stated that they encountered an "agent" in Dealey Plaza, or they gave information that definitely tends to strengthen the accounts of others on this issue.

Law enforcement officers noted the presence of an agent in the plaza: Joe Marshall Smith, who even saw credentials (7H 535), D.V. Harkness (6H 312), Constable Seymour Weitzman (7H 107), and Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig (cited in Crossfire, 330). Spectators Malcolm Summers (quoted on "Nova," November, 1988), Gordon Arnold, (Dallas Morning News, August 27, 1978), and Ronald Fischer (6H 196), all saw or corroborated other "sightings."

What does the "official" record reveal about these alleged 'sightings'? Yeah, we know...or do we? Going back to the original "official" statement, or party line, was quite an

eye opening experience: "All the Secret Service agents assigned to the motorcade stayed with the motorcade all the way to the hospital. None remained at the scene of the shooting, and none entered the School Book Depository at or immediately after the time of the shooting." (Commission Document 3, p. 44--emphasis added)

So, in actual fact, this statement, drafted by Secretary of the Treasury C. Douglas Dillon and General Counsel G. d'Andelot Belin, only accounts for the sixteen agents traveling in the motorcade--two in the lead car (Lawson and Sorrels), two in the limousine (Greer and

Kellerman), eight in the follow up (Kinney, Roberts, Hill, McIntyre, Ready, Landis, Bennett, Hickey), one in LBJ's car (Youngblood), and the three in the VP follow-up car (Johns, Taylor and Kivett)!! Discarding the notion that "Lem" Johns was the agent (he was left behind VERY briefly on the ROAD and hitched a ride in one of the camera cars as verified by the film record), and stipulating that the other WHD agents assigned to the Trade Mart, Love Field, Austin, and other places, based on the "official" record, really were there the whole time, what does that leave us with?

For one thing, there were, "officially"speaking, seven agents in the Dallas field office of the Secret Service: SAIC Sorrels, as noted, in the lead car; Robert Steuart and John Joe Howlett, at the Trade Mart; Roger C. Warner, and William H. Patterson, both stationed at Love Field. But, as you note, that is only five of the seven agents. And there's the rub--the Secret Service reports in Volume XVIII alone confirm what five of the seven of the Dallas agents were doing on November 22--what about the other two--Charles E. Kunkel and James F. "Mike" Howard?

There are NO reports from these two men in the volumes (quite a strange departure), and NO testimony was taken from them either (although with no testimony taken from seven of the eight SS agents in the follow up, that should not surprise us). Coincidentally, both of these agents would go on to guard the Oswald family after the assassination and subsequent death of LHO; in fact, good old Marguerite Oswald felt that these agents were involved in the actual conspiracy itself (1H 169-170)! Howard, who would go on to join the WHD onMarch 29, 1964, was interviewed in an AP story related in the "Fresno Bee" on 11/22/93, the 30th anniversary of JFK's murder. Despite the obvious need to focus on the assassination, there was no mention in that interview of where either Howard (or Kunkel..) were during the critical time of the shooting in he middle of Elm Street! Are there any candidates from the WHD who are "eligible" to have been the "real agent" In Dealey Plaza on November 22? Yes, the aforementioned Dennis R. Halterman, and for the very same reasons, another new and obscure name: Ronald M. Pontius. Pontius, in Houston on November 21, also "disappears" from the detailed, written record and, like Halterman, this omission stands out noticeably from the shift reports and other documents--if one applies Peter Dale Scott's "negative template" hypothesis: if something is not there that SHOULD be there, something's amiss. Interestingly, during my interview of Houston DNC advance man Marty Underwood, he mentioned that the one agent I should contact about these matters was none other than Pontius himself, a completely unknown name to be then (Oct., 1992), and still a pretty obscure name now. Finally, as readers of my book, The Third Alternative, know, former agent Abraham W. Bolden, Sr., expressed much suspicion about fellow former agent Harvey Henderson as being a possible candidate for the "agent" in Dealey Plaza. At that time, Henderson was "removed" from the WHD-- if you believe Bolden, because he was extremely bitter towards JFK, and this removal happened shortly before Dallas. I have been unable to confirm or deny the story conclusively, as Henderson passed away in early 1994 just as I was seeking to interview him.

One final clue to both the mystery of the "dead" agent and the "unknown agent" in Dealey Plaza on November 22 may come from the statements of former Dallas agent Robert A. Steuart, as revealed in Bill Sloan's 1993 work, JFK--Breaking the Silence (pp 1-5). Although the agent who spoke to Sloan was unnamed in the book, Sloan confirmed to me the agent's identity based on my firm conviction that this agent HAD to have been Steuart. Why? Because, as I told Sloan, the agent used the identical language with me during my two "attempted" interviews with him in 1992 and 1993; in any event, Sloan confirmed my suspicions. So, just what did Steuart say to Sloan (and me)? Sworn to absolute secrecy about the "Kennedy thing," Steuart went on to say, "I can't talk about it...There are so many things I could tell you, but I just can't... I can't tell you anything... I'd like to, but I can't.... It

was a very heavy deal, and they would know. Someone would know. It's...too dangerous, even now."

This, from a local agent, stationed at the Trade Mart on November 22, 1963.

Were the stories about the "dead" Secret Service agent true? Quite possibly, for there is one viable candidate. What about the "agent" in Dealey Plaza? He most likely was a GENUINE agent, for there are five potential candidates: two local agents, two Washington agents, and one bitter renegade agent, whereabouts unknown, on that fateful day in Dallas. One thing is sure: if the man on the knoll was the renegade, it was one hell of a conspiracy, and if an agent was killed, why the silence?

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A special note and addendum from the author (November 28, 1997)

I have received a lot of acclaim for my article in the the October 1997 JFK/DPQ, which is very much appreciated. While I still stand behind all the documentation in the article (and feel especially strong about the agent-in-the-plaza info), one major correction and one addition should be noted. I just returned from the JFK/Lancer conference in Dallas to discover over 300 pages of Secret Service survey reports and many Secret Service agent letters in my mail!

One of the documents, RIF-154-10002-10424, eliminates Secret Service Agent Dennis R. Halterman as being a candidate for the "dead" agent (but not the agent in the plaza, along with the four other candidates). However, while at the conference, researcher John Armstrong gave me a Treasury Department document regarding a U.S. Customs Official's allegations that a "[fnu] Mr. Robertson" of the Secret Service disappeared on 11/22/63 (Robertson was stationed in the Dallas/Fort Worth area). I am currently checking up on this new lead.

Also, Mrs. Hazel Kinney wrote me, telling me that her husband Sam Kinney (the driver of the follow-up car on 11/22/63 and a member of the Secret Service from 1950 to 1967) passed away on 7/21/97 while they were traveling in Iowa. I am the only person to have gotten Sam on the record in detail (even more so than the 1996 HSCA release). I am in the process of developing a list of surviving Secret Service agents to bring to the Review Board; needless to say, this was a great loss. I am forever grateful to the extended time Sam gave me in 1992 through 1994.

Recently, I've received letters from agents Floyd Boring, Bill Livingood, G. d'Andelot Belin, and others; hopefully there's many more to come as the research continues...

Thank you.

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Photo by Jack White.....

B

Before the Assassination:

The jostling of Senator Lyndon B. Johnson and Lady Bird had raised some eyebrows in 1960, when the right-wing had accosted them.

The Ambassador Adlai Stevenson incident brought Dallas national and international attention in terms of its far right movement, he arrived on Oct.24th 1963, to address a U.N Day meeting in Dallas, Stevenson had been twice a candidate for his countries Presidency.

Just before the United Nations Day, an extremist right-wing organization called the National Indignation Committee, headed by Frank McGeehee, set aside a day and called it United States Day. A United States ceremony was scheduled in the Dallas Memorial Auditorium Theater, which seated about 2,000, and set exactly for 24 hours before the United Nations Day, approximately 1,200 people attended.

About 2,400 people attended the U.N. Day. Before it was over, the Ambassador had been spat upon and struck over the head with a placard, and Dallas was front page news throughout the world.

“We booked Memorial Theater for the Stevenson meeting” Jack Goren, chairman of the U.N. Day committee, said, “because we were hopeful that one of the Dallas TV stations would televise the occasion. KRLD-TV (CBS) responded and agreed to televise the program”.

“We had a press conference some two and a half to three weeks before U.N Day. We announced in the newspaper what we were proposing to do. From my conversations with the people at Memorial Theater, General Edwin Walker, upon hearing of our meeting (about one week prior to this) booked the same auditorium, for the evening before the U.N Day. About a week prior to the U.N Day celebration we became concerned that there might be picketing at Memorial Theater."

This concern was brought about by the fact that some young students who were out at the state fair were entertained at the home of a local person, and one or two of them had reported to their parents that they observed some pickets derogatory to the United Nations at the home of General Walker. Whether this was actually true or not we were never sure, and we have no proof of it. However, we did observe that there were cars with signs on the Dallas streets reading, U.S Day Or United Nations Day---There Must Be A Choice; You Cannot Ride Both Horses, or words to that effect. This was the propaganda circulating on the Dallas streets, apparently put out by General Walker's supporters. General Walker was billed as the feature speaker for U.S.Day the night before the U.N Day.

"All you, probably know, U.S Day was designated two or three years ago by the ultra-right wing groups in the United States but primarily in a few selected areas such as Arizona, Texas and California. Out of 365 days of the year, they picked the day before the U.N Day celebration, which had been in effect since 1948. The reason for the selection of that date was obvious, but so far as we were able to determine, U.S Day had not gotten off the ground anywhere but the three areas that I mentioned and mostly in a few parts in Texas and Arizona.”

At this point, the supporters of the U.N Day suffered a real shock when Governor John Connally of Texas issued an official proclamation of United States Day in Texas. (U.N had been proclaimed long before in 1948). This provoked some immediate correspondence between Jack Goren and Governor Connally's office. Goren expressed his dismay that the governor had apparently given respectability to an occasion drummed up (by the ultra-right wing), for the purpose of discrediting U.N.Day and the United Nations itself. He questioned whether the governor had known before issuing the proclamation that Major General Edwin Walker, a clear-cut representative of the far right wing, was to be the principal speaker.

The governor replied that he had not, as Goren suspected, but that he had been encouraged by some, a number of people to issue a proclamation for the occasion, that in fact some kind of observance had been in effect before his time. He gave Goren the definite impression that he was not in any way trying to encourage General Walker and his supporters.

“It was a nice letter from the governor,” Goren said, “and it made me feel a good deal better. The major thing worrying me was not that something called United States Day should be proclaimed, as an official observation. The curse of this town has been that these things get into the hands of the extremists. Then, one way or another, through the newspapers, public statements or whatever, the actions of the extremists get to seem all right, defensible, respectable. Nobody blasts them and tells them that their actions are impossible in civilized communities. I think that's the basic difference between Dallas and other places. Anyway, I venture that there will be no further proclamations of U.S.Day so long as it is in control of the extremists elements which run it now.”

During this time before the Ambassador's visit, the premonition of some kind of trouble began to build. This was partly built on what kind of man Stevenson was, and the feelings he inspired. This man intellectual, internationalist, brilliant speaker --- seemed capable of arousing an emotion in Americans that is almost unique. His supporters some of whom were militant, as evidenced at the Democratic National Convention of 1960. His detractors were no less so. He was not a man who provoked a mild reaction.

Goren’s task was to do everything he could to prevent the premonition of trouble from turning into reality.

“I asked a security representative, Mr. William de Gan (a former agent for the FBI, now employed in Dallas), who knows Police Chief Jesse Curry, to go down to the police department and to tell them of our concern about picketing. I was anxious to make sure that we would have adequate police protection at the theater because of what we had already learned. Also, we were sure General Walker would stir up his meeting in opposition to United Nations Day and to Mr. Stevenson.”

“Mr. de Gan went there personally and spoke to Jesse Curry and was assured that there would be adequate police protection. A few days later reports began to come back to us that picketing might be extreme and de Gan again went down to the police station and made arrangements for more extensive protection. The extra police were supposed to arrive at approximately 7.30pm.”

“U.S Day drew nearly 1,200 people. We monitored the meeting. This made us extremely aware that there would be a large scale attempts to picket and possibly do other things at our meeting the next night. We realized this from the tone of General Walker’s speech, which aroused his audience to a high pitch about United Nations Day, that it was a part of the world-wide communist movement, the usual stuff with which you are familiar”.

“We were, of course, concerned, but we had confidence that the police protection would be adequate. When I arrived at about 7.30pm, I found that the theater had already been infiltrated with numerous supporters of U.S Day. ---complete with flags, complete with their signs, complete with their noise makers, which we were of course, not aware that they would even attempt to use. The pickets did not show up in force until approximately 7:45. The police protection at the early stages was inadequate and in my judgment was never adequate or timely. If I had to say what the really terrible thing was I would say that as bad as the picketing was, as bad as the mob action that took place as a part of the picketing was, and as bad as the spitting and hitting incident was----even worse was the hooting, the yelling, the noise makers, the waving of the flags, the waving of the signs, the attempt to break up the meeting itself by followers of General Walker, the John Birch groups, and the supporters of Mr. Frank McGeehee of the National Indignation Committee. This was totally undemocratic and un-American. The attempt to deny the American Ambassador to the United Nations the opportunity to express his ideas and the ideas of the United States government on world peace---this to me was the terrible sad thing.”

Fortunately, it was all photographed. It was all heard by several hundred thousand people on live television. Coupled with the terrible incident that took place afterward, the Dallas community was faced with the fact that the extreme right wing had gone too far.

After the meeting, we had a reception in the Memorial Theater on stage for the UN people. There was no attempt made to infiltrate that, but the pickets remained outside in numbers of seventy-five to 150 and they were an organized group. About forty-five minutes after the meeting, roughly 9:45, we left with police escort to try to go to the cars. Apparently there was a woman screaming at Mr. Stevenson. He walked into the crowd, leaving the line of the police escort, merely to ask her what she was screaming at him about and to try to quiet her down. The result was the hitting incident by the woman and the spitting incident by the young student. When Mr. Stevenson was rescued by the police, he was brought back to the limousine. He was in a state of shock, so to speak. He just could not understand that in America this sort of thing would happen, certainly not to him or to anyone. He had been use to picketing, but never to violence of this kind against representatives of the American government by Americans. He could not understand this. While he was wiping off the saliva with his handkerchief, his only comment was, “Are these human beings or are these animals?”

The woman who struck Adlai, was the wife of an insurance man who was quite prominent, he was not present at the meeting. When it was all over he told a friend, he could not make an outgoing call on his phone for two or three days after the incident as the line was constantly jammed with calls coming in, protesting his wife’s actions. She claimed someone pushed her, but the television tape indicated no such thing.

The man who spat on him was a college student, Robert Hatfield of Irving; Stevenson did not prefer charges against either person.

But Hatfield also made the mistake of spitting on one of Dallas’ finest,

Patrolman L.R.Larsen and according to the asst D.A that was a much more serious offence. During the meeting Mr. Stevenson kept control, though stunned at the reactions and actions by those within the assembly.( Some who went as far as to march up and down the aisles carrying their American flags upside down, some carrying signs, jeering and heckling (with noise makers sounding.) When the police finally did escort Frank McGeehee to a side door, Mr.Stevenson said “For my part, I believe in the forgiveness of sin and the redemption of ignorance”.

(The actions by these people were not the actions of the majority of citizens, many were stunned, but the mood of the stage had been allowed to be set, for the Presidential visit that was to occur within a month.)

On Oct. 28th the Dallas City Council shocked and embarrassed by what had happened, unanimously adopted an anti-harassment ordinance to protect visiting speakers. It prohibited any person or group from “interfering with a public or private assembly by the use of insulting, threatening or obscene language or intimidation.”

The City Council and Mayor Cabell apologized to Stevenson on behalf of their city. But Texas right-wing Congressman Bruce Alger stated the city had no reason to feel disgraced. Young Hatfield he said “ lost his head because of his resentment against the UN that threatens his freedom and his country’s freedom.” Alger did not state that he approved of hitting people nor spitting on them, but he did feel that people of Dallas should not be “throttled” in expressing their dislike of the UN.

Ironically at this time Dallas was engaged in the middle of a promotion program to invite the world to visit it. Brochures printed in German, French, English and Spanish had been distributed to fifty-one major cities throughout Air France’s Offices. They told of Dallas, a jet-age city with old fashioned southwestern hospitality.

At the same time, the fervor of the far right reached an extraordinary

Pitch, A handbill was distributed around town, it was dropped into cars, and scattered over parking lots.

It cast President Kennedy in the role of a wanted criminal and profiled J.F.K. classic full faced, and profile shot of a fugitive poster, and titled

“Wanted For Treason”.

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Information From: "Dallas Public & Private" Warren Leslie. P: 188 to 198.

B....

Thomas:

Perhaps you would like to come up to date with this further information.

Pitzer BTW, was right handed...

Allan did try to log in and reply, but for some reason, he cannot..??

http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer

B.......

Hi Steve:

I take it you are finished, ? if not just go around...

Here is some info I posted in July 05, on this book.."Friendly Fire on Holy Grounds-The Stockpile Conspiracy" by Ira Jesse Hemingway....

It may be of interest to some here..

Synopsis from author.......

""This synopsis is for my non-fiction book, “Friendly Fire On Holy Grounds: The Stockpile Conspiracy”© the book is complete. I hold all rights to this story both fiction (Screen Play) and non-fiction.

Friendly Fire© chronicles the events that occurred from 1954 through 1972 concerning the cost of a critical material stockpile. It attempts to leave the reader with a clear understanding of a serious cover-up when President Kennedy attempted to remove the shroud of secrecy surrounding this event. All he wanted was financial account ability but instead he ended up dead.

I am not trying to persuade my audience but present facts that are not in the open market at this time pertaining to the assassination of an American President, John F. Kennedy. I leave it in the intellect of the audience to judge the facts.

Upon completion of my research and book, I became aware that a stockpile issue was very important to President Kennedy. He voiced his concerns many times between 1962 and 1963, up until his death. The Warren Commission did not look into the stockpile issue, as members of that commission were deeply involved with the creation of, the 13 billion dollar ruse. I will show that the only logical reason that these specific members were on the Warren Commission was to ensure that information concerning the stockpile was never raised nor released. This information led me to the next logical step, which meant that if in fact that was their duty to avoid the stockpile issue then they committed fraud by failing to disclose the facts. I was then able to uncover information that they committed fraud regardless of their true intentions, they knew about the stockpile.

At the onset of the Warren Commission Lyndon Baines Johnson and the director of the FBI J. Edgar Hoover agreed to obstruct justice by:

A) Meeting Johnson and discussing who should be on the commission and the flow of facts;

The announcement of the commission followed by the FBI director’s statement that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone;

C) Directed what the scope and duties of the Warren Commission were. He also directed the FBI to screen all information to the commission. If the Director of the FBI said a certain person did it then it was pretty much case closed.

Both Johnson and Richard Nixon were involved with the increase of the stockpile between 1954 and 1960. It would be elementary to deduct that the escalation of Vietnam had to do with the stockpile cover-up in the sense that billions more had been spent in Vietnam than the public knew.

From my many years of research and an audit conducted before the 1962 Senate Stockpile investigation gave a base for all the material in the stockpile. It was President Kennedy’s assumption that the members of the Eisenhower administration profited from the excessive spending on the stockpile. The profiting from the stockpile transactions was illegal and the methods by which the Eisenhower cabinet members used the stockpile were in violation of many laws. President Kennedy may not have fully realized that half of the material on the books did not exist.

The real reason that President Kennedy was murdered did not surface until 1972 when President Nixon wrote 4.2 billion dollars off the books. The facts will prove that Kennedy was going to use the information from the stockpile investigation, in 1964, to his political advantage in the Presidential elections. If the only thing that occurred were profiting from the stockpile, methods of buying and selling, it surely would not have been politically damaging, as it would be if the material were not purchased at all.""

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Some bits from the book.....

That would be the Falconbridge Nickel Mines,of Toronto...They were being paid

a 50 percent premium over market price...for nickel that was not needed...

but had a ten year contract with the US government...in 58 that was changed to a three year contract...The Gov had contracts with Falconbridge,Hanna Nickel,and Harvey Aluminum..that were supplying uneeded nickel...( many other Companies involved re other materials.)

They reduced the need of stockpile from five years to three years, and that made for a 40% cut...But the spending on the stockpile did not decrease accordingly..apparently, in 57...LBJ as a Senator, tried to make it more difficult for the people to find out anything concerning the stockpiles...

The investigation did find out that two members of Ikes Cabinet and one Ambassador, were involved within the mining concerns...George M. Humphrey former Sec. of the Treasury..with Hanna Mining...John Hay Whitney, former Ambassador to Britain..for Freeport Sulpher...Robert B.Anderson...former Sec of Defense...Sec. of the Navy, and Sec. of Treas..for Falconbridge ....

There were three men on the WC, that in some way had connections to the men involved in the stockpile conspiracy......Allen Dulle's brother, John Foster....

Sen. Richard Russell...and Gerald Ford....

LBJ, Richard Nixon, Russell, Alan Dulles,John J. McCloy, and some others would have been politically destroyed if JFK had survived...as they were all connected...in some ways...(the fox was in the hen house...)

There are many other companies mentioned re the information to all this ..... the stockpile stayed consistant from 61 to 68 in spite of much being sold off...the covert used the stockpiles to move funds to Indochina...and left a money trail to the NSC...the laws were violated...as the materials were diverted from the stockpile to friends of the Ike Cabinet..this implicated Russell and LBJ..

The reason a stockpile was created was so that in the event of a war, there would be enough strategic materials on hand hopefully to last on a 5 year basis ..

they include rubber and vegetable tannins, metals, such as aluminum, antimony,cobalt,lead,magnesium,tin and zinc...

Minerals and ores, asbestos,bauxite,chromium,diamonds, mercury,mica,titanium,tungsten,iodine...

chromite,quartz crystal...

The Government placed surplus, Gov.owned minerals in the stockpile after WW11.

The Argricultural Act in 54....created the third stockpile..the supplimental...

it contained strategic and critical materials purchased with foreign currency obtained from the sale of supplus food...commodities..

The Billions of dollars mentioned in this book, are shuddering...

J.F.K..

"This Administration has taken steps to halt any new acquisitions to the stockpile with the exception of three items, still critically short, and on which we have spent less than 2 million dollars. Unfortunately, the surplus of other materials is still growing, as the result of contracts negotiated prior to this Administration's taking office.

It was apparent to me that this excessive storage of costly materials was a questionable burden on public funds, and in addition a potential source of excessive and unconscionable profits.

Last spring a detailed check was ordered, and our information to date has convinced me that a thorough investigation is warranted. The cloak of secrecy which has surrounded this program may have been justified originally to conceal our shortages, but this is no longer the case, and secrecy now is only an invitation to mismanagement.

I have therefore discussed this matter with Senator Symington, Chairman of the Senate Stockpiling Subcommittee. He agrees that the program should be completely explored, and without delay. I have assured him that we will make available to his Subcommittee all the material we have already discovered, and that the Executive Branch will cooperate fully with any investigation.

In the meantime, I have directed the various departments and agencies to accelerate their review of materiel requirements. And I am appointing a commission to make a detailed review of our stockpiling policies, programs and goals, in the light of changed defense strategy and improved technology.

I am very much aware of the intricate and interrelated problems involved in this area, including the difficulties experienced by certain domestic mineral industries, the impact on world markets, and the heavy reliance of certain countries on producing one or more of these minerals. And I can say that we will take no action which will disrupt commodity prices.

All of these factors, in a careful review of the program, will be taken into account, but the cold facts on this matter must be open to the public."

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Search.htm?q=sto...2&btnG.y=11

"QUESTION: Mr. President, almost precisely a year ago, President Eisenhower in his farewell address, discussed the influence of the military-industrial alliance in the Defense spending program. I wonder, sir, if in your first year in office you have developed similar concern for this problem?

THE PRESIDENT: I think that President Eisenhower commented on a matter which deserves continuing attention, by the President and also by the Secretary of Defense. It gets to be a great vested interest in expenditures because of the employment that is involved and all the rest, and that's one of the struggles which he had and which we have, and I think his warning or his words were well taken."

JFK,Indonesia,CIA and Freeport Sulphur

http://www.webcom.com/~lpease/collections/...en/freeport.htm

B......

Thanks for your memories Kathy, and well put....

Ossie a Hottie, well now, each to their own....

Yes much was lost, though we did not realise to what degree, at the time, it came home to

haunt all in the not too distant future from that date....a way of life was gone...

As someone once said, He may not have been the greatest President, he may not have been

the smartest, etc......by By God was he a leader......

I think that was Jack Lemmon ? JFK encouraged people to believe in themselves, and in what they could

accomplish....and that was gone......since then they have been led around by the ring.

Thanks, enjoy all this next Nov.,have a look at the writings on the other side of the fence, if they

are still doing so, and I imagine they are...

B.......

The Putative Pitzer Movie: A Discussion

-by Allan Eaglesham

The May 1, 1975, edition of the Waukegan, IL, News-Sun contained a story by Staff Writer Art Peterson titled, "Another link in JFK death?":

A Navy technician who filmed the autopsy of President John Kennedy may have been an early victim of a mysterious death syndrome that has been a bloody footnote to the assassination…The death of the technician Lt. William Pitzer, should be an early addition to that list, believes a Lake County man who worked at Bethesda (Md.) Naval Hospital in 1963...[and who] doesn’t want his identity made public…The technician had filmed in detail the Kennedy autopsy...The [Lake County] man, who saw many wounded men while serving in Vietnam, said he saw slides of Kennedy's wounds. "It looked like they came from the front," he said. (etc.)

This article deals with the movie stated by the "Lake County man" to have been in the possession of then-Lieutenant William B. Pitzer within a few days of the assassination of President Kennedy. (The manner of Lieutenant Commander Pitzer's death in 1966 has been the subject of other articles [1-7].)

http://www.manuscriptservice.com/WBPmovie/

B....

John

Here is KLRD-TV.......The book is a collaborative account by Bob Huffaker, Bill Mercer,

George Phenix and Wes Wise, all employed at the time by KRLD Radio (AM

and FM) and Television.

Perhaps one of those names....??

Video of Jack Ruby Shooting Oswald

By Bob Huffaker

A while back, News 8 Austin interviewed my buddy and co-author George Phenix and posted his recollections online, along with George's film of Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald. George captured the murder on 16mm film while I stood at his side and broadcast the shooting live for CBS in the basement of Dallas police headquarters. Earlier I had given George a boost so that he could hang his sound mike directly above where the transfer--and ultimately the shooting--would take place.

Our engineer Jim English was behind our live CBS camera, and Phenix was shooting sound-on-film with a big Auricon camera mounted on a unipod that he had to control in the melee that broke out when Ruby lunged and fired. When CBS later replayed George's film in slow motion, they were creating something akin to today's "instant replays," though George had rushed to our newsroom to develop the film before KRLD-TV and CBS could re-run it.

Click here for the inteview and Phenix's archival film footage.

In our book When the News Went Live: Dallas 1963, George wrote about what it was like as he filmed that piece of history:

"Oswald was coming down the hall flanked by big Texas lawmen. It was happening fast. I had Oswald centered in my viewfinder when ka-bam. We were essentially in a cement box and when Ruby's gun went off, it was really loud. My reflexes won over my news judgment and my head jerked up from the viewfinder. The camera lurched on that blasted unipod. Later, I think someone timed it and I regained control in five seconds. But it seemed like an eternity. At one point, I saw a lawman hurdle over a car to get into the fray. The fight was to keep Ruby from squeezing off another round. And the cops won by sheer force of numbers. Lots of brave men jumped into that pile."

The man who hurdled a police car was Sergeant Patrick T. Dean, in charge of basement security that day. He and other officers risked their lives to disarm Ruby.

George Phenix's film and Jim English's live KRLD-TV camera made broadcast history that day.

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http://dallas1963.typepad.com/my_weblog/jf...tion/index.html

It appears the last two I posted of Ruby shooting LHO...are from this film..

The link to the article and scroll below to the "watch the video"......hit play.......also in slow motion.....and interview...also....

http://www.news8austin.com/content/your%5Fnews/?ArID=90111

Here they are below a couple of years ago, and from the front cover ....

B....

Bernice,

Neither of these names are familar to me. Thank you for posting the documents!

Could you please tell me how to post images?

Thanks again.

johnw

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I am chuckling John, as of all the people to ask..I have never had a lesson on a pc... ....I am self taught, through years of trial and a

zillion errors......and asking many people who tried to help...but let us have a go....

Sometimes, the simple words work best, to clarify......

I open reply, then it goes through an initalizing upload, a thingie goes around......when finished.....I hit the browse , see below on the right, it then brings up my desktop, I then click my photos folder....and it opens....

I then go into whichever folder, say Limo, for instance, in my photos ,click and it opens , then find the particular photo I am looking for.....in JPEG......keeping in mind I only have a 1000 limit.....some I have had to make smaller, some larger in the paint program......smaller, so as to not use up the amount of upload space too quickly.....hopefully....

I click the photo I want, .....I then click open below on the right , next to where it says file name..... then it shows the name you have given to your photo, such as woods _jack beers, for instance......in the browse area on right, below...on the reply page.....then HIT the green upload, if you forget to it will tell you, when you go to post, then when ready and you have your message and all completed, click post, pray ,and watch the upload go round and round.......do not click twice, or you get a double post.......many...

Now sometimes it times out....... and you must start all over again......BUT first go back to the thread and make sure it has not posted it........and if so, it may have lost the photos..?.....If so, then open your reply to complete edit, and upload your photos again, and this time, hope they take....sometimes this does happen, with the F program, never ask me the why, I have no idea..........

When you have used up your 1000 space or very close to it, for uploading photos....oh BTW.......it tells you how much space you have left , on the right under the green upload, mine now says, 15.68k....which means to upload anything further, I must delete some........so......

First I would go to my controls , see on the right hand side at the top......when you have or have not opened reply.....click controls, now on the left hand side, down you will see attachments, click that, it then shows you all your attachments on the right that you have posted........so you choose which to delete, click them, and delete, and now you have more space left, to upload a new photo........but don't forget to hit refresh, then........

Go back to your reply, then type your message and upload you photos , docs whatever.......and pray again.....

Now, John if I could learn, and I did the hard way.....you sure can, anyone can......

I hope this is not a double dutch to you, as it was too me, and I have hopefully, made it clear enough, in housewife language, and not as mud..

Try it and then try again..... it works......patience is the virtue, .....scream......

And Jimmer, stop laughing..I see you below.....

Best of luck........

B....

Jack Beers :Oswald's murder snapped a hair too soon

Six-tenths of a second, 2 lives forever changed

'He was a victim of timing and circumstance, and it's something he never got over'

02:25 PM CST on Tuesday, January 27, 2004

By MICHAEL GRANBERRY / The Dallas Morning News

From the moment he lunged out of the shadows and pulled the trigger on his .38-caliber Colt Cobra, Jack Ruby did more than blast his way into history.

Lee Harvey Oswald, the man suspected of killing President John F. Kennedy two days earlier, suffered a single, fatal shot from Ruby's gun.

But other men standing in the basement of the Dallas police station on Sunday morning, Nov. 24, 1963, saw their own lives change, none more so than a pair of photojournalists who captured the moment in black and white.

For Robert H. "Bob" Jackson, then a 29-year-old photographer for the Dallas Times Herald, taking a picture of Oswald's murder meant winning the Pulitzer Prize in 1964.

But for Ira Jefferson "Jack" Beers Jr., who worked for The Dallas Morning News – and who took an almost equally vivid picture – the basement events left an entirely different legacy.

Those who knew him say he never recovered from missing the Pulitzer by six-tenths of a second – the time between his photograph and Mr. Jackson's.

"I know this sounds stupid, but for years, I wouldn't even talk to people about it. It hurt a lot," says Darlene Beers Williams, 50, the second of Mr. Beers' three children, whose father died of a heart attack in 1975. He was 51.

Mr. Beers was "industrious, careful, experienced, knowledgeable and dedicated," said Tom Dillard, who in 1963 was the Morning News ' chief photographer. (Mr. Dillard was interviewed shortly before his death in late May.) "But on that day, he was a victim of timing and circumstance, and it's something he never got over."

His daughter attributes the difference in the photos to an accident of timing, a twist of fate.

"It really hurt my dad when Bob won the Pulitzer Prize," says Ms. Williams, a manager at a Garland retirement home.

Her father "always said, 'I was there. I was prepared. But I didn't get it.' "

Photography a passion

Born at Parkland Hospital in 1923, Jack Beers was an only child. Raised by a single mother, he was 7 when his parents divorced, at the height of the Great Depression. His family was poor.

He graduated from Woodrow Wilson High School and joined the Army Air Forces, where photography became a passion. Upon his discharge, he was hired by the Times Herald, where he worked for two years, then moved to the Morning News.

He was, his daughter says, a perfectionist, enslaved to details and committed to showing up for assignments an hour early. He often told his little girl, "Luck is a product of being prepared."

Through the years, he parlayed that luck into a showroom of memorable photographs – a woman in tears, lying on a stretcher, clutching her Bible; football great Kyle Rote, grinning en route to a game-winning touchdown; and a terrifying stream of hurricanes and tornadoes.

He loved crime stories, she says, and went on ride-alongs with the Dallas police. He also came to know a strange little man who often hung out at police headquarters, a strip-club operator named Jack Ruby.

To fatten his pocketbook, Mr. Beers even photographed some of Ruby's "girls," whose pictures are part of the family collection.

He scoffed at what colleag called "feature" photography, believing news was where the action was. So on the day President Kennedy came to town, he was thrilled, his daughter says, having drawn the assignment of photographing the president's arrival at Love Field.

After the assassination, he spent hours at police headquarters and on Sunday drew the assignment of photographing what was supposed to be a routine transfer of Oswald from the city jail to the county jail. As always, Mr. Beers showed up early.

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Like Jack Beers, Bob Jackson was an only child born in Dallas. His birth was traumatic – he barely survived complications during delivery that killed his twin sister when she was 4 days old.

He grew up in University Park as the son of the secretary-treasurer of Dallas Federal Savings and Loan. He attended Southern Methodist University but left early to join the Army National Guard, which gave him on-the-job training in photography.

He left the service in 1959 and got a job with the Times Herald a year later. He developed a fascination with hard news, whose speed and action he likened to auto racing, a sport he followed with almost-slavish devotion.

He got to know racing pioneers Carroll Shelby and Jim Hall and reveled in owning a 1958 AC Ace Bristol, the forerunner to Mr. Shelby's famous Cobra. "There were six in all of Dallas," says Mr. Jackson, "and I had one of 'em."

"Bob was a rich kid who had never worked," says fellow photographer Andy Hanson. "His dad was a friend of [co-publisher and editor] Felix McKnight, who got John Mazziotta [the paper's chief photographer] to hire Bob."

Despite the circumstances under which he was hired, "He was pretty darn good," says Mr. Hanson, who remembers Mr. Jackson's talent for hard news as putting him at the forefront of the paper's assassination coverage.

On Nov. 22, 1963, he was riding in the motorcade, eight cars behind the president. His assignment was to photograph crowd scenes along the route and then hand his film to a Times Herald reporter waiting at the corner of Main and Houston.

Shots fired, shots missed

Heading west on Main, nearing Houston, Mr. Jackson hurled his film to Jim Featherston, a heavyset reporter who had trouble catching it and – comically – ended up having to chase it. They were both still chuckling over the fumbled film when Mr. Jackson's car veered sharply onto Houston. By this time, the president's car was cruising down Elm.

And then came the first shot.

Instinctively, Mr. Jackson says he looked to where the shot was coming from – and saw a rifle protruding from a window in the east end of the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. The Warren Commission concluded that Oswald fired three shots from a sniper's perch he had constructed in that window.

Mr. Jackson had two cameras, one with a wide-angle lens, the other a telephoto. Cursing his bad luck, he realized he had snapped his last picture just before turning onto Houston Street.

He had no time to reload. There would be no picture of the assassin. So, two days later, as he headed to the basement, he felt "like an idiot" for having missed the shot of the century.

On Sunday morning, photographers began arriving at the police station shortly before 9. They milled around for a while, sharing their stunned disbelief about the president's murder. Eventually, they were told to stake out positions in the basement and stay put until the suspect emerged.

"Beers liked to be up high," says Mr. Jackson, who positioned himself near an incline but not on it, as Mr. Beers had. Mr. Beers was, in fact, standing on a railing on top of the incline, giving him a height advantage of several feet.

To Mr. Jackson's right were Frank Johnston, a photographer for United Press International, and Mr. Beers. Standing in front of Mr. Beers but below his camera were television reporter Bob Huffaker, an unidentified Asian man and Dallas police Detective William J. "Blackie" Harrison.

Before Oswald appeared, a Times Herald reporter walked over to tell Mr. Jackson that the transfer was taking too long and that the city desk wanted him to leave the basement and head straight to Nellie Connally's press conference at Parkland Hospital. The wife of Texas Gov. John B. Connally was scheduled to appear in public for the first time since her husband was critically hurt in the shooting that killed the president.

"He came back and said, 'We can't miss that press conference – that's the most important thing,' " Mr. Jackson recalls the reporter saying.

But Mr. Jackson refused to leave.

Photo finish

Flanked by two detectives, Oswald entered the basement at 11:21. They appeared to be heading to an unmarked car that was still backing into place, its bumper actually touching Mr. Jackson's left knee.

Less than a minute before Oswald appeared, Ruby had entered the basement and positioned himself behind and to the left of Detective Harrison.

In a letter written to Ruby's attorney in 1967, Mr. Beers describes what happened next:

"Out of the corner of my right eye, I saw a sudden movement ... My first impression was, it was a photographer out of position or with a very short lens trying to improve his position, then the curse, 'You son of a bitch,' punctuated by the shot. The curse was in such an unnatural and excited voice, before it concluded I knew someone had gone berserk and was attacking Oswald."

The sudden movement provoked Mr. Jackson, six-tenths of a second later, to snap the shutter.

"The reason Beers shot too soon, in comparison to me," says Mr. Jackson, "is that he saw it easier and quicker than I did. Ruby was more in his vision. I had a better position because I wasn't distracted by Ruby as much. I was still looking at Oswald's face, and I knew I was going to shoot before whoever that was blocked my view."

Mr. Jackson was using a Nikon S3 with a wide-angle 35 mm lens. Mr. Beers was using a Mamiyaflex camera with a 65 mm lens.

More than anything, Mr. Jackson says, timing was paramount: 1963 technology required the use of strobe lights, which took up to five seconds to recycle each time the shutter snapped. Motor-driven cameras, which advance the frames rapidly, existed in 1963, says Mr. Jackson, but no one in the basement was using one. Amid the bedlam, Mr. Jackson had no idea what he had.

The basement events had left him sickened, adding to the horror of the president being murdered in Mr. Jackson's hometown. "But I had a job to do," he says. And so did his crosstown rival.

As soon as he could, Mr. Beers returned to the News' darkroom. Seeing the negative for the first time, Mr. Beers' supervisor was ecstatic.

"My God!" Mr. Dillard said. "You've just won us the Pulitzer Prize!"

But Mr. Jackson's darkroom discovery was even more dramatic.

Felix McKnight, co-publisher and editor of the Times Herald, says Mr. Jackson's negative was overwhelming. "I had been a Pulitzer juror three times," says Mr. McKnight, now 91. He shouted to the troops: "We've got a winner here! We're gonna win one!"

When The News began hitting porches at dawn the next day, Mr. Beers' photograph ate up most of the front page.

It was and is a great picture, showing Ruby emerging from the shadows with gun fully extended. But the look on Oswald's face – sullen, indifferent, even bored – and that of the officers leading him in handcuffs indicates none of them has even seen Ruby, much less sensed the impending chaos.

"Seeing Jack's picture made me a little sad," says Mr. McKnight, who had once worked at The News and supervised Mr. Beers. "Jack was a fine young man and a very good photographer, and I knew that would be a bitter defeat. It was like losing a horse race by a nose. I understood the pangs of his disappointment, and it was damn narrow."

But in the Times Herald newsroom, no one else felt even a twinge of sadness. News columnist Blackie Sherrod, who in 1963 was lead sports columnist and sports editor at the Times Herald, was helping out the city desk in the assassination's aftermath. It was Mr. Sherrod who made the decision to run Mr. Jackson's photograph the full eight columns.

Taken six-tenths of a second later, Mr. Jackson's is similar to Mr. Beers' but with a far more arresting image: It shows Ruby aiming the gun at Oswald, whose body has just been invaded by the bullet, as smoke rings rise from his abdomen to his eyes. As Oswald grimaces in pain, the police detectives' faces are etched in sheer terror.

Now a 61-year-old photographer for the Washington Post, Frank Johnston reflects on his own moment in the basement by trumpeting Mr. Jackson's photograph as a classic for the ages. More than any other image, he says, it captures the shock and horror of Dallas' darkest weekend.

"The facial expressions, the body language of everyone in that photograph is just incredible," says Mr. Johnston. "I looked at that photograph the first time and was startled by it, it had so much impact."

Mystery unraveled

Nearly 40 years later, the impact is still being felt, with the how and why of what happened in the basement still being examined. Why did Mr. Beers shoot first? Was Mr. Jackson responding only to Mr. Beers' flash, as Morning News rivals still insist? Videotape and news footage from six other cameras have unraveled the mystery.

By measuring the time between flashes of the strobes, Gary Mack, curator of The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, has undertaken a frame-by-frame analysis that shows Mr. Johnston of UPI taking the first picture. In his, Oswald is being escorted by police, with Ruby not yet in the frame. Nine-tenths of a second later, Mr. Beers took his picture, followed by Mr. Jackson, six-tenths of a second after that.

"The footage shows that Bob and everyone else appear to be reacting only to Ruby's movement," says Mr. Mack. "Had he reacted to Beers' flash, [Mr. Jackson] would have taken his picture even later. At the same time, he isn't reacting to gunfire either. He's reacting only to movement, as everyone else was."

Mr. Johnston remembers that, right after the shooting, "Bob said, 'I didn't get it – I think I got blocked.' " But later that day, he called Mr. Jackson, who had just gotten out of the darkroom.

"When he told me he had it, I said, 'Bob, that's fantastic!' I was happy for him. I'm still happy for him," says Mr. Johnston. "My gosh, it's an elbow away sometimes. I felt really good for him. And don't let anyone tell you Bob wasn't a good shooter. He was a very good shooter."

Never quite the same

From that moment on, Mr. Beers "never had as much confidence in himself," says his daughter, who describes him as "feeling let down. Not by anybody in particular. More by fate, I guess. He always felt like, 'Why have I had to struggle so hard to finally get the picture and then not get it?' "

Eamon Kennedy, who worked at the Times Herald in 1963, remembers Mr. Beers as being "bitterly disappointed ... that he didn't get more recognition. But Bob's is clearly the better picture. Things like that happen in our business, and you've got to deal with them."

Mr. Jackson, he says, picked a "perfect" position, "and you have to give him credit for that."

But News rivals insist otherwise, saying Mr. Jackson's was 99 percent blessing, Mr. Beers' 99 percent curse.

"Just dumb-ass luck," says Joe Laird, a retired News photographer.

The newspaper war was so intense in those days that "if Beers' picture had come out crappy and Jackson's had hit page one, our editors would have cut their wrists in the city room," says Mr. Laird. "They wouldn't have ever survived that. Obviously, Jackson's is judged to be better by all standards, and that was a shame, because we didn't strike out."

Felix McKnight agrees. Had he been a Pulitzer juror, "I would have been tempted to give a double award," he says. "Both are once-in-a-lifetime photographs."

But Mr. Beers never felt redeemed. He died with a "depression that went untreated," says Ms. Williams, who lost her mother, Mr. Beers' widow, in late 2000.

And why was he depressed? "In my mind," she says, "it's all due to that picture."

The once-eager competitor became a man with "no drive," she says. Instead of photography being the passion it always was, it quickly became "just a job." A tendency toward heart problems grew worse by the year.

"He wanted to hunt and fish a lot more than he wanted to do his job," she says, "and it was never that way before."

Mr. Laird puts it more bluntly: "Jack somehow felt that God had cheated him."

Whatever the cause, in the years after that November, "He always had a little inferiority complex," says Mr. Laird. "He lived high. He ate the wrong things, and he chain-smoked."

Clint Grant, another former co-worker, says Mr. Beers' temper got worse. Mr. Jackson's picture was sought after by "Life, Saturday Evening Post, all the big magazines. And he made an awful lot of money."

"Poor old Jack just had to sit back and take it, never fully comprehending, I suppose, that it was merely the difference in six-tenths of a second, and there was nothing he could do about it."

Mr. Beers "deserves more credit than was ever given to him for a picture many forgot long ago," says Shelly Katz, former contributing photographer to Time magazine. "Jack Beers was this great craftsman who took his job so seriously. This was his way of life. He truly was a photojournalist."

Proof's in the Pulitzer

But Mr. Jackson's is the name on the Pulitzer, "and regardless of what anyone says about Bob being lucky, the fact of the matter is, he deserves the credit," says Mr. Katz. "He made the shot, period, and you can't take it away from him. The proof is in the picture."

For a while, Bob Jackson got to revel in his newfound celebrity. But after his picture was published, he found himself being judged by a harsher standard. Every picture he took was measured against journalism's ultimate prize.

"I try not to let it bother me," he says with a shrug.

He left the Times Herald for The Denver Post in 1968 but returned a year later. He was divorced in 1972 and soon became a full-time society photographer. He moved to Colorado in 1980 and continues to work 10 hours a week for The Gazette in Colorado Springs.

Smooth, socially graceful and looking younger than his 68 years, he lives with his second wife in a mountain hideaway in Manitou Springs, Colo., in the shadow of Pike's Peak. Snow-capped hills are as close as the window, as are the deer feasting on the lawn. His fascination with cars has continued. In addition to the Ace, he has owned three Jaguars, five Porsches and a Lotus.

In his living room, he can peer over one shoulder and see a blow-up of Oswald's murder, then go to the basement and see one more – plus a parody of his prize-winning picture, orchestrated by Times Herald staffers when he left the paper in 1974.

He estimates having made "tens of thousands of dollars" off the reprint rights, which the Times Herald gave him almost immediately. He charges publications anywhere from $250 to $2,500 to print the picture, processed from the original negative. He has a deal with the Fahey/Klein Gallery in Los Angeles, which charges $1,500 for individual numbered prints. Mr. Jackson notes that No. 7 was bought by rock star Elton John.

There's even a doctored Internet version, which shows Ruby playing an electric guitar, Oswald holding a microphone and the police detective cuffed to his wrist playing a keyboard. Mr. Jackson and the graphic artist who designed it "share the profits, and that's been going on four to five years," says Mr. Jackson, $3,000 richer from that version.

He's unaware of any bad feelings that linger in the Beers family.

"I feel pretty bad if that's true," he says.

He came to Dallas in February for the opening night of a new exhibit at The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.

His photograph, along with 122 other Pulitzer Prize-winning images, is on display through November.

"I was looking forward to meeting the daughter at the exhibit opening," he says. "But she never showed."

Ms. Williams had been invited. In the end, she says, she had to say no.

"I saw Mr. Jackson on the news," says Ms. Williams, as the tears start to fall, "and I just lost it. All I could think about was Dad, how hard he worked ... what might have been. I wish it could have been the two of 'em side by side, sharing the glory together.

"But that's the history of a picture. And only one usually counts."

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/2003/j...shot.378ed.html

B........

For now just two more..

B...

I have listed a Homer Venso who was a camerman for WBAP-TV.

Footage of the shooting of Oswald was nearly missed. First, the

camera had to be relocated from the inside of the basement hallway,

which would have filmed Oswald from behind. But due to objections from

Police Chief Curry as to the hallway couldn't be blocked with camera

equipment. homer was the only NBC cameraman in the basement

and with no zoom lens, upon instructions from his produce Fred

Rheinstein to use the camera as a still camera, and not to move the

camera. Prior to Oswald's entrance into the basement, Homer was able to

film an overall shot of the basement. he was then instructed again by Rheinstein

to use a close-up lens and was just able to get the picture in focus when

Oswald was shot.

There was a cameraman from New Orleans but I can't recall his name at

this time.

The same images I was able to post awhile back I can no longer post.

johnw

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Could the name be a John Tankersley or a David Timmons, I believe it is....?

These below are DPD reports....Venso's name is only mentioned on the bottom

of a WC list..

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/w...H24_CE_2002.pdf

B....

For now just two more..

B...

Hi John:

By all means, perhaps James will.......Too bad you are still having problems posting

photos....? I am continually running out of upload space, but try to work around..

Below is Bob Jackson's, Prize winning photo..and a few others leading up to such

though I know not who took them, perhaps you do..??

Thanks.

B.....

Jack Beers photograph......B.....

They were Jack Beers, who worked for the Dallas Morning News who took 33 photos around

and inside the TSBD ...including shots of the tramps..

William Allen the Dallas Times Herald took 73

snap shots of Dealey and of the inside of the TSBD, and three photos of the tramps....

& George Smith .Forth Worth Star Telegram...

Below is another man that was arrested, or escorted for questioning, so far a "no namer"

That is Asst D.A....William Alexander getting into a patrol car....also taken by Jack Beers..

which is attached....

Some may be interested in the artice below......

""NUMBERs 32-35.* Policeman with "tramps." None of these pictures were seen by the Warren Commission.

In the case of the "tramps," those three men who were rounded up on orders of Police Inspector J. Herbert Sawyer (the man in charge of security activity at Dealey Plaza), we find a sequence of astounding actions. A Sergeant D.V. Harkness was ordered to stop a freight train and remove the men. Harkness arrested the three men and turned them over to policemen Marvin Wise and Billy Bass, who marched them all the way from the west side of the Book building, around the north side of the Plaza, and into the vehicle entrance of the Sheriff's office. Few people realize this entire procedure took place almost on the steps of the Sheriff's office. While Wise and Bass were marching these men to the Sheriff's office, William Allen, George Smith, and Jack Beers of the Dallas Times Herald, the Fort Worth Star Telegram, and the Dallas Morning News, took several pictures of them. Their remarkable pictures show clearly that Wise and Bass took them to the Sheriff's office. Yet Harkness and Sheriff Harold Elkins couldn't remember that there were any other policemen with Harkness. This is utterly ridiculous in the face of so many clear pictures. Why was this done? And why weren't these amazing pictures shown to the Commission so that it could order the men before them. And worse still, there is absolutely no record anywhere that these men were booked that day. There are no "blotter" records at all. The men have simply vanished.

I have been given a list of the names of these men. Also, the pictures show three policemen. Did the Sheriff, or someone in that office, spirit them away? And why did the Sheriff, who had all of these men in his custody, permit them to get away within minutes of the time that the President of the United States had been shot and killed on his doorstep? These are tough questions, but let's go a bit further. Why didn't the all-powerful Warren Commission -- which included the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the former Director of Central Intelligence, the man who is now our President, etc. -- why didn't they have an opportunity to see these pictures? The photos would have led them to ask these questions and then to demand answers. ""

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thegunsofdallas.htm

B..

Here, here.....Don.......

Thanks....

The links...

The Posthumous Assassination of JFK

Judith Exner, Mary Meyer, and Other Daggers

By James DiEugenio

# 1

http://www.ctka.net/pr997-jfk.html

# 2

http://www.ctka.net/pr1197-jfk.html

B......

Hello Bernice,

I personally have never been in any way a fan of Jim DeEugenio's journalism.

I feel in no way A Kennedy Basher, but neither am I any more proud of some of his actions than am I of some of the actions of my own children. In order to respect or love a person, I don't feel that you need approve of, or think that every action that this person makes is wise.

Truth is not slander. Observing and mentioning weaknesses and imperfections in any human being

is something to which all human beings are subjected. Researching the horror of the Kennedy murders does not enlist one in the Kennedy FAMILY Fan Club. There are aspects of both this family and each of our own, that are not worthy of praise.

Charlie Black

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Hi Charlie:

Whether or not you are a fan of Jim's work, is irrelevant I believe, it is the overall, and at times down through the years

regular "Killing Kennedys" as they call it......some at seemingly every opportunity and being government connected, I shall say...writers.

etc....have and do take the opportunity....I believe is what he is trying to point

out, there are others who also have written such articles....It seems to come around and go around, at times, the trash

articles and books, as I call them are prevailant, at others, they seem to receed for a time..

We, I think are all aware of all the flaws of JFK, and the Kennedys, why theirs ?? we have read them, and had them pushed in our faces for

years...even if we were not interested....in many Enquirer trash type magazines, staring you in the face in the check out line, at the grocery

stores......

All men are human therefore they all have their flaws......not all the sons of some who take all to whatever extremes turn out to be of the same

character........each is after al an individual..

I have often thought that for instance, if JFK bedded as many

women as some seem to imply, and so and so said, he never would have had the time to possibley have completed anything.....

but he did....

The Presidency is a very expensive run, and if you do not have if, you do not run, no matter wherever the money comes from

it has to be and is there.....Roosevelt, Rosevelt, had it, Nixon got it, LBJ had it and twisted arms for more..even Carter with

the monetary support he had to have in order to obtain

such, most if not all, Presidents in the past 100 years or so, came from well to do families, theirs perhaps have as many

secrets and dirty linen as the Kennedys, but because he was whom he was..and his Presidency is held in such esteem by many when

compared......his is prevailant....and he makes the others that have followed him, since

appear to be what they have been, inept, in many ways....every President it is said has to have his war....JFK was different he tried

to stop them.

..But Kennedy ..and his famiily, are a fair target and continually.....so whenever some see this type of thread going they also step

up to the plate and give the other side of the coin..., that is what debate is all about....I do not know anyone who loves the Kennedys

though I am sure there are some adoring fans....I am not. I have a great respect for what the man tried to do, and did accomplish,

and a great interest in what was taken away, and the overthrow of the government the day they slaughtered him in Dealey, and the

take over that has proceeded since...

I am very aware of his said faults....

So in order to make him appear to not be the President he was, they have chosen the only roads they could, disinfo, misinfo,

gossip,and trash...whatever it takes...to down him..they connect him to his fathers sins, and business practices and beliefs..

yet there were many differences between him and old Joe....did he set some good examples certainly not....did he set other

more appropriate ones, yes..imo..

...When I do read such remarks in books or articles, I have noticed as a rule there is no documentation, it is usually a she says

he said..type of info, or an insider made the statement, heck we all can do that......that proves nothing..

.....so whether one chooses to believe or not, is entirely up to the individual...

Whatever his sins and the sins of his family were, they were not and did not relate, imo to how he ran the Presidency, and the

good he did accomplish, and also what he was not allowed to complete...

No he was no saint, far from it, he could dally with the best of them, it seems there is some proof to that accusation..but many could and did,

in the WH..and according to what I have read so far, in this past

history of the Presidency there were only two who did not and they were Harry Truman and Jimmy Carter...

I have no objections to whatever is discussed, makes for a good thread, but others also have the right to come forward

with their opinions..apparently many look to his Presidency and what they lost, and do not dwell on his private life...which I agree may

relate in some ways but definite proof is needed, for all that has been thrown about, before that can be looked at as reflecting

on his Presidency in any way......there again imo.

Thanks Charlie.....you got a feisty one going.....

B

Here are a couple from Ft.Worth, in the one there is a little boy, appearing similar to Bill on the

right, but....??

In the other just have a look at the two girls left and right, staring at their hands, and the looks

on their faces...he must have shaken them in more ways than one..........That JFK charisma.....

Wonder how long it was before they washed them...?...

B..