Bernice Moore

Trygve: It was taken at Brocks air force base, Nov.21/63 arrival at Fort Worth......Here is another taken by Cecil Stougton..

Jack I agree they have not read Dougs research....

B..

Rifles.....

Ok, thank's for that Bernice. So there are indeed two sets of cracks. That's why they seem made at different times as some are interrupted by others which presumably would be the older ones. Nevertheless : How do you know they pushed it out with their feet? The screen seems to be within a clean edged frame that has been removed from the main frame. ie clean edge indicates no dampening/sealing compond to dislodge. I know that in standard vehicles the pushing out with feet is a standard technique with little regard for the glass as it's usually removed because it's unusable anyway. It's very hard but not impossible to push out a frame held by the usual gunk without breaking it, Ive done it. If there are preexisting cracks, which may or may not be seen in a photo, then either way it's highly likely that they will grow no matter how careful you are.

Here it looks like they didn't have to contend with the gunk. So are the cracks preexisting. and made more visible and extended by the removal or are they created by the removal? Who says they pushed it out with the feet?

The crate it was in shows careful packing with wads of foam and a broad tight strap, which indicates a desire to preserve the windshield. Was the same care taken when removed?

EDIT:: Bernice, you're probably right. I've had a closer look at the edges in the crate and it looks very much like they've duc-taped around the wind shield, presumably to cover the sticky gunk. So the remaining question is really were they preexisting cracks or weaknesses caused by something, in this instance the chrome trim damage.

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John:

Here is a letter and a doc...for now, I keep running out of attachment space, as we all do...

Hi Ter:

I cannot allow what you have posted to stand without, making a few clarifications...

Excuse me"" That's where it all stands today."

You seem to be quite confused on all this matter..and not up todate, in any form.

Her pc was never stolen...She abandoned it, and would not send her sisters ad to have the drive and a few other things mailed to her....nor to another address...though I am aware of how the story changed..the PC did not have the latest book, on it, it had remnants of past books that she had continually changed and updated.....also according to the laws, as you are aware after a certian amount of time, whatever reverts to the person who retains such..The way they use whatever materials after, is up to them, not to the previous owner..the same with emails, once sent they become public property....the laws are quite clear..

I have no idea from where or from whom you have received your information....but much is in serious error..

Her book which has been released for sale, was critqued like any other conspiracy book has and will be done....by those who bother to buy, read and study such...and follow all..and do the research..pertaining to..hers is and never will be any different that any other....some seem not to be able to comprehend that element, ..and continually make excuses,which are not to be given in the research world, never was and imo never wil be...that is the way it is..

Livingstone, nor Martin had the book, "gotten a hold of" nor was it not printed without her knowledge...she had given the ok, after they, the three, had gone through it all one last time..you perhaps should contact Livingstone and or Martin, and or at least read their and Howards informative posts on the alts....They stood on their heads for herfor years, in otherwards, only to be trashed by her.....but enough is never enough ..for her and never wil be...

The book had been turned over to the publisher and printer.....at the last moment she decided she wanted more pages added, I think something like 86, or 186, but there was no more money available to do so, as it would have meant a complete re-doing of said....book.....

It was a matter of it being printed then and there or not..the book went ahead....There are only so many changes that can be done..continuallly doing so, meant it would in all probability never be issued....there was only so much money available, and that was completely gone...and no more available.

Martin is and has been Judyth's biggest supporter, you should be aware of that fact, he still is....no one has been through the Judyth wars more and longer than Shackelford...nor taken as much in criticism..nor continually has done the damage control....

What damage you refer to I do not know, she wrote a book with their and the many's input, and had it printed and sold...The errors , of which there are many, in such are the authors...that is whom in the end, must take the responsibility for such...she wrote it, she went through it, that final time.....but.....which she will not, never has and never will....any error she makes is , has been and shall always be someone elses..

I would suggest that yourself as welll as any others who have not bothered to purchase the said books, do so, and read and do the research which goes along with such, and try to stay up to the critique of such and check all research out for yourself, as other do and have, they find the time, as we all must..

If you or anyone is interested in what has been stated by these three men you mention above, do so by contacting them, and or at least spend the time to log onto McAdams, and read.....IMO she was is and always will be a complete waste of time....as her book has been proven to be a costly, waste in money,time and effort.....

and after all the years I have spent on all, I am surely entitled..to say ..

Beans...

John:

This is FBI..WC...CE 350........photo of the cracks in the windshield, after the assassination...

The others were made when Arlington Glass personal had to place their feet against the inside

of it to push it out...

B..

Your very welcome Mike..anytime..

I forgot to include the Dallas Cinema Associates Documents link ..

took one last look in the folder..and ta da..

There you have it. Hope it helps...

http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/dca.html

B..

Here is another Robin, better I believe, this is also from Fort Worth, shows

Nellies head.I have enlarged and lightened it, no damage..

B.

Here are two photos from Fort Worth....of the Limo......enlarged and lightened, I do not see any damage.but ????

B

Hi Michael:

You may be interested in the information below, a compilation I did some time ago...

The photos are from the Dallas Cinema Associates Film, and Mentesana took such of

the area of the TSBD..that day....

It is another neverending part of the complicated storyline of some of the films and photos that were not wanted,

well heck most were not, that is apparent....They were cut, trashed, of parts that mainly related to the

assassination and lay to waste in a garbage can....to be thrown out and were. To the authorities they

were of no interest.....same old..

The photos posted showed what many believe to be a DPD shot gun, I have wondered why a group of officers,

detectives and such would gather to study one? surely they had had the opportunity to have examined them before.?

Robert Groden , Mark Lane, Jim Garrison, and others also believed that somewhere in this fim, that now may be cut, to

have shown what was another rifle being brought down...if so ??

Anyhoo for whatever.....

Ernest Mentesana & the Dallas Cinema Associates Film.

He was interviewed by Agents E .F. Petrakis and A Raymond Switzer on

April 23rd/64. Who stated that he had been in the freight yards near

the TSBD, and had taken film of "the turmoil in and around the Depository

Building . “

He was with the Dallas Cinema Associates. He informed the FBI all about

the Company, the leading figure, Mrs. Irving Gewertz, how many

photographers had contributed their film footage to such, (18) and other

information. He was under the impression that the film was presently being

prepared for marketing on the home-movie market.

It then took the FBI a month to get around to seeing a Rudolf Viktor Brenk, an

amateur photographer, who edited the films. The story was that the

Dallas Cinema Associates had a plan, which was to make a film of the "last

hour of the President", he was not interested in the assassination scene.

He was looking for a photographic record of the entire Dallas Trip, beginning at the

airport, with the happy President and his smiling wife in as many different poses

and locations as possible. As late as May 20/64 the FBI knew where to get

every scrap of all the original DCA footage, everything not schmaltzy that

Brenk had edited out.

There is no record that they ever did or wanted to.

The unpublished footage, that was all important, or could have been to the

investigation, and all that original footage was of no interest to them.

They finally got around to interviewing Mrs. Gewertz, who was the person

most responsible for the org. of DCA and the production of its film.

It was exactly

6 months after the assassination of President Kennedy.

She had conceived the idea of assembling the movie and she had located

others whose footage was used. She telephoned residences along the route

and the first person with film had agreed to help her locate others.

She also approached the camera shops, learning that others had the same

idea, so they had combined to form the Dallas Cinema.

She told them, as if they, the FBI didn't know that Phil Willis was one of them.

They approached him 30 days later, June 19/64.

The FBI finally got to him just at the time of the publication of a dozen of his photos.

Just as it got to the DCA people as their film was to be made commercially

available.

There is no evidence that the FBI obtained a copy of the DCA film, neither for the

WC nor for itself. It was not the Commission, strange as it may seem that

decided whether any film contained evidence, but the FBI.

Mentesana had taken his first film of the motorcade on the median strip

on Turtle Creek Rd. and was able to obtain approximately ten feet of 8mm

movie film of the motorcade, using a Wollensak Movie Camera, with a 1.9

lens and Kodachrome 11 Film. He estimated the time of the passing motorcade

to have been approximately 12.10 to 12.12pm.

He then took his employee, Arden Wilson, immediately back to his

"Mentesana Grocery Store", dropped him off, and continued to the Katy

Railroad Freight Depot near the TSBD, to pick up some food stuffs.

He learned of the shooting of the President and started filming and took

several feet of film of the occurrences in and around the TSBD Building.

The Fox film company of Dallas processed it.

Being a member of the” Dallas 8mm Movie Club", as well as Albert Bunnell, who also had film,

had called him and told him about Mrs. Irving Gewertz .They had all attended a meeting and

the plan was to exchange copies of each others films. They then formed the group

totaling 18 in number and incorporated it in March 64, and that a film

would be prepared for marketing.

Note:

Rudolf Brenk, took his film of the motorcade from the northwest corner

of Harwood and Ross Sts. at approximately 12.20pm. Using a Cames

Eight- Millimeter movie camera loaded with Dynachrome color film,

the Dynachrome Co. of Halifax St. in Dallas had developed the film.

He was the VP of the Cinema Guild of Texas. Albert Bunnell had put

Mrs. Gewertz in contact with him. They met at the Community Room

of the Republic Savings and Loan Association along with others, and ran

their films for the group.

Some other names were, Mr. Wynn Parr, and Mr. George Shawver.

The group eventually turned over their original films to Brenk, for editing

he ultimately combined them, what he felt were the valuable portions

of the films, into one single film. He subtitled and completed the film.

He estimated it to be one hundred seventy-five feet, excluding leaders

and having a running time of approximately twelve minutes at sixteen

frames a second.

Brenk then sent the film to the Technicolor Inc. of Burbank California,

for further processing in an effort to achieve more uniformity in shading

and coloring. He advised that the cost of the master film from the Company

amounted to a charge of $13.50 from each of the 18 members. A total of $121.50.

He received the first answer print from Technicolor approx. May1/64.

A few changes were made at his request, and the two other answer prints

were received May 18/64.

The group had signed a contract with Sanger-Harris Department Stores

of Dallas, allowing them exclusive rights of sale in the Dallas area only,

for a one month trial period to allow his group to test the public acceptance.

They were to be ready for sale about the middle of June 64, the completed

retail price being set at $24.95.

The FBI could have learned the names of all the filmers but did not bother to.

They were not sought out, though they may have been able to tell them of

other photographers, they were not questioned.

Eventually Brenk took a list of all to the United States Attorney for Dallas as well

as a copy of the film.

Mrs. Irving (Anita) Gewertz, she and her son, Martin had driven to Cedar

Springs Rd, to see the motorcade, at approximately 11.30pm, they had listened to the

progress of the motorcade at her husbands place of employment, Roscoe

Dewitt Architect 2025 Cedar Springs, in the parking lot. She, as well as her husband

and son, had walked to the road about 12.05pm and waited, on the North side.

Her son had an 8mm Bell and Howell camera, The camera was not working

properly and he son was very frustrated, as the motorcade passed at

about 12.20pm.

So they then went to the Trade Mart When they arrived at Irving Blvd and the

service Rd of the Stemmons Freeway, they noticed a group of picketers who

were awaiting the Presidents arrival. She said about 8 or 10 were carrying various

signs which were anti Kennedy and his policies, and that they had tape over

their mouths. Shortly after arriving they heard sirens and saw the lights of

the motorcade proceeding North on Stemmons, at an unusually high rate of

speed, which surprised them. As they passed she noticed a SS man lying on

the back of the President's car pounding his fist on the hull of the car. then

shortly after they heard the announcement on the car radio of the shooting.

Hearing this they then drove to Parkland Hospital, where they observed a hearse

leaving at about 2pm, of which her son took a film, they learned

later it contained the President's body.

The next day they visited the TSBD area and took films. They then drove to

LHO's rooming house on Beckley and took stills. The film was developed at

Sanger-Harris Dept Store. They complained that the camera had not

worked properly at the time the motorcade had passed, and the manager

offered

that several people had brought in film, and perhaps they would share theirs

with her by obtaining copies. That is when she got the idea of telephoning

people along the route. That is when she was in contact with a Mrs. Frances

Hays who also had film and offered to help her locate others. It was her

intention to secure and gather a film sequence for her own use and to keep

as a memorial to President Kennedy.

However after she had made calls, many were very interested and she

decided that the films sequences might be put together

and made available to the general public. Another she learned of was an O.B.

Ashmore who had taken still photographs, in the vicinity of the Trade Mart.

On July 16/64 ... the DOJ, Hoover to Rankin…… A film has been examined that was

furnished by the Wolper Prods Inc. it was found to show very little of the

President's motorcade during the firing of the assassinations shots. Should

members wish to view this film, please advice us....... the roll of film you

furnished is returned herewith....

July 23/64.... Hoover to Rankin, Reference is made in your letter dated Jul.16/64

enclosing letter from Martha Joe Stroud, Asst USA, Dallas. and a film referred

to......This has been reviewed in the FBI Laboratory and found to contain very

little of the President's motorcade during the firing of the assassination shots.

"It is noted the portion of the film depicting the motorcade on Elm St.

at the assassination site is a copy of the same film that was furnished to the Commission

by the Wolper Prod. The Wolper film was furnished to us with your letter dated

June 3/64. Was examined and returned to you with a letter dated June 16/64."

"The film that you submitted with your letter dated July 16/64, is attached."

July10/64. USDOJ Dallas, Stroud to Howard Willens President's Commission.

Mr. Rudy Brenk brought the enclosed film into this office today..

He states there are no other persons that took film at the scene of the assassination

so far as he knows.

I am attaching a list of photographers who furnished film for

"President Kennedy's Final Hour".

Mr. Brenk wants the film back unless the Commission wants to buy it. It

costs $24.95.

List of names associated with the Dallas Cinema..

Mr. Dick Allen: George Shawver : Wynn Parr: Rudy Brenk: Bryant ..ren?

Earl Nester ?: Dr. Howard Seigler: Irving Gewertz: Charles Mentesana:

Larry Thomas:…..next crossed out..again next crossed out……..Allen Rhodes, Albert Benell:

George Kincaid: Joe Brown: C. W. Gray:

Mrs. Hazel Randell: but Randell

has an x through it ? and something unlegible written over it.?

Mr. Speigle: Mr.John Martin.

And there it lies, unless there is more info that I have not come across

perhaps somewhere there is an old copy, of the film in a box or

in someone’s attic, a researcher's shelf ?somewhere. in Dallas.?

Information from Harold Weisberg “Photographic Whitewash".1967.

Mentesana.mpg

http://www.jfk-online.com/Mentesana.mpg

Here is some further info, about the Dallas Cinema Film.....Mentesana and the others.

Two other film clips, but very little..

from Bart Cop. On their page below as well, if these following links do not work..

http://www.geocities.com/verisimus101/sbt.htm

Film clip.

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.h...u.edu%2Fdca1.rm

Film clip.

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.h...u.edu%2Fdca1.rm

Old posts of 1992 & 96 that might be of interest...

1996 The Dallas Cinema film

http://www.constitution.org/piml/96060508.txt

The Assassination scene in Dallas 1992

http://www.anomalies.net/archive/wiretap/C...ry/jfk-foto.lis

Garrison

During this exceedingly brief period of innocence, police officers encountered another rifle at the book depository which was not part of the approved scenario. Until control was obtained over the situation, this building which housed children's schoolbooks more closely resembled the Alamo. The rifle encountered was triumphantly brought down from the depository by Dallas police officers a few minutes after 1:00 P.M. Its discovery was recorded on film by a cameraman named Mentesana and made available commercially in the Dallas Cinema Associates film of the assassination. .

In the film, the rifle is being held aloft by a policeman, and other officers and citizens are crowded around to stare at this nearly historic weapon. Beneath the filmed scene is the legend "The Assassin's Rifle." Unlike the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle subsequently produced as Lee Oswald's murder weapon, "The Assassin's Rifle" has no telescopic sight on it. This rifle has never been publicly seen since. On the sixth floor of the depository, Officer Seymour Weitzman, searching through the crates of books, found a hidden rifle which he described as a 7.65 Mauser.

In a sworn affidavit he also described the Mauser's telescopic sight as being 4/18 power and also spoke of the gun strap. It should be added that Weitzman formerly was in the sporting goods business and knew guns. The 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano, later produced as Oswald's, had "Made in Italy" boldly printed on the side. The 7.65 Mauser is as easily distinguishable from this cheap rifle as it is from a bowl of spaghetti. When the official scenario finally filtered down through the Dallas ranks, the Mauser disappeared and the rifle without a sight disappeared, and all that remained was the Mannlicher-Carcano with which the lone assassin, legend now tells us, accomplished history's greatest sharpshooting feat unaided by other rifles in the hands of other men. The other rifles became as nonexistent as unicorns, unworthy of attention in the government's 26 volume summary of "the hearings" and "the evidence."

The nice thing, for the official investigation, about the Mannlicher-Carcano was that three empty cartridges found by the famous window matched it and had, at some point in time, been fired from it. Two of the cartridges were lying next to each other and were not ejected ten to twelve feet out to the side as cartridges ordinarily are.

When the Mannlicher-Carcano was sent to the FBI laboratory, the technician were unable to find any of Lee Oswald's fingerprints on it. Some nine days later --- a week after Oswald's murder --- the Dallas Police Department rushed up to Washington a palm print of Oswald's which it said it had found on the gun. However, even the stoutest defenders of the Dallas police, a most exclusive group by that time, did not put too much stock in the late-discovered palm print. Although it is possible to determine by tests whether or not a rifle has been fired recently, there is no evidence that such a test was given to the rifle which was supposed to have killed the President. One can hardly blame the law enforcement authorities for not wanting to play Russian roulette at this point. It was bad enough that the paraffin test tended to exonerate Oswald from having fired a rifle without exonerating the rifle as well. Power can cause unpropelled inanimate objects to move from one position to another.

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff...news6/power.htm

Other Garrison Findings

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/other_garrison.htm

Inventory of the Records of the Warren Commission

Entry 18: Films

1963, 6 inches

Arranged as follows:

one 16-mm, reel consisting of a silent WDSU-TV (New Orleans) film taken on August 16, 1963, of Lee Harvey Oswald distributing leaflets on behalf of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and on August 12, 1963, outside the Municipal Court at New Orleans on the day of Oswald's court appearance, and a sound film interview on August 21, 1963, at the WDSU studios shortly after a radio program in which Oswald participated;

an 8-mm. film entitled "President Kennedy's Final Hour," produced by Dallas Cinema Associates, Inc., from films taken by photographers along the route of the President's motorcade;

a 16-mm. film of the President's motorcade taken by an unidentified amateur photographer, furnished to the Commission by Wolper Productions, Inc.;

a 16-mm. film which includes scenes of District Attorney Wade of Dallas speaking in the Dallas Police Department building and some silent film;

a 16-mm. film of Lee Harvey Oswald speaking in the assembly room of the Dallas Police Department;

a 16-m. film of unidentified origin, accompanied by an explanatory Secret Service memorandum, showing an aerial view of the site of the assassination and an interview with a gunsmith concerning Oswald's rifle and the mounting of telescopic sights;

reels 65 and 66 of 16-mm. National Broadcasting Co. film relating to the shooting of Oswald; and

an 8-mm. United Press International film showing only a title relating to the assassination.

For the Zapruder film (CE 904), Nix (CE 905), and Muchmore (CE 906) films, see Entry 42. For the Zapruder slides (CD 858), see Entry 8. Entry 19: Radio Tape Recordings

1963, 12 feet

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warre...?template=print

In Robert Groden's "Assassination Films". He narrates as the film is playing, "this film is important because it shows the discovery of a second rifle in the School Book Depository. Here's the rifle being examined by the police".

There were four law enforcement officers from the DPD and Sheriff's office ,Weitzman, Boone, Craig,

and Fritz.

Deputy Sheriff Boone stated that after the rifle was found, Captain Fritz was called to the scene. Boone in his Warren Commission testimony:

Ball: "Who referred to it as a Mauser that day?"

Boone: "I believe Captain Fritz. He had knelt down there to look at it, and before he removed it, not knowing what it was, he said that

is what it looks like. This is when Lieutenant Day, I believe his name is, the ID man was getting ready to photograph it.

We were discussing it beck and forth. And he said it looks like a 7.65 Mauser.

Ball: "Thank you." (WC III p 295)

For some two to three days, the weapon was referred to by the authorities, as well as the CIA, and media, as being a German Mauser…

Also in the NBC Film "As it Happened" which starts on the air 14 minutes into the assassination, Lt. JC Day was reported leaving the TSBD with a British 303 rifle with a scope mounted onto it..??

Below the top photo is the West side I beieve of the TSBD.....

B..

Does James Richards have a photo of Rocky, Bullwinkle, Sherman, Boris or Natashia, not necessarily together?

BK

Here you go Bill......

Mentesana........

While looking at Altgens 8 today, I noticed the weird perspective oddity attached.

Jack White..

QUOTE: J.Raymond Carroll.....

"The late Larry Ray Harris gave me my first tour of Dealey Plaza, and demonstrated that "Hatman" had a perfect vantage point to fire the fatal shot. Sam Holland reported seeing footprints in the mud and cigarette butts that indicated recent activity in the area, and so on...."

Ashton:

Here's more Great Aunt Girtie's garters......Clint Hill style........Now try keeping in mind, he and Jacqueline were the two closest witnesses..

to the President's head wound...Try not to pay so much attention to what you think you see within the Zapruder film, read their information, without

reviewing such, and then see it ...in your mind...Just my 2 cents....

Clint Hill Warren Commission

"Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?

"Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head. "

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_c.htm

"As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat. The time of the shooting was approximately 12:30 p.m., Dallas time."

Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill:

18 H 740-745: 11/30/63 report of activities on 11/22/63---

“…I heard a

noise similar to a firecracker. The sound came from my right rear…

I

heard a second firecracker type noise but it had a different

sound---

like the sound of shooting a revolver into something hard. I saw

the President slump more toward his left. I jumped onto the left rear

step of the Presidential automobile.

Mrs. Kennedy shouted, “They’ve shot

his head off;” then turned and raised out of her seat as if she were

reaching to her right rear toward the back of the car for something that

had blown out…snip..

As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion

of the President’s head on the right rear side was missing and he was

bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his

skull with hair on it lying in the seat.”;

“At approximately 2:45 a.m.,

November 23,

I was requested by ASAIC Kelerman to come to the morgue to

once again view the body.

When I arrived the autopsy had been completed

and ASAIC Kellerman, SA Greer, General McHugh and I viewed the wounds.

I observed a wound about six inches down from the neckline on the back

just to the right of the spinal column. I observed another wound on the

right rear portion of the skull.”;

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/vp-06.html

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/sa-hill.htm

If you have a pre-conceived theory, then I imagine, when you look at the photos and films, or a witnesses information, and

it does not comply, then you disregard.....I don't have one, I am still searching.....

But what I believe I may see after all this time, is that, the Zapruder film is an accurate motion picture.....

But it is no longer a true film of what happened that day in Dealey....It shows what the people are intended to believe what happened..

Which is why I do not spend much time any longer on such. Just imo..

B..

"It's one thing to have a great stage name, but it's the personal story that really makes one legendary. For Candy Barr, her personal life and trials (literally) are just as noteworthy as her life as a famous Dallas and Vegas stripper in the 1950's. In 1956, she shot her drunk and violent husband, and even though he wasn't badly hurt, Barr's manager actually arranged it with the sheriff to increase her bond because it made better press. In 1957, Dallas police stormed into her house and arrested her on drug charges. Because of the storm trooper tactics of the police, the case was appealed all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, who refused to hear the case. She spent three years in jail starting in 1959. In the years while she waited on the appeal she hooked-up with Vegas mobster Mickey Cohen. After she got out she was befriended by club owner and J.F.K. assassination player Jack Ruby. Also, in the 1970's she had a brief weekend affair with Hugh Hefner. Quite a cast of characters within her personal drama! When classic strippers were no longer in demand, Barr retired to Texas where she lives today. "

Jacqueline B.Kennedy....

" I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --- I suppose there must have been.

But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on.:

Warren Commission Suppressed Jackie's

Testimony On JFK's Head Wound

Court Reporter's Tape Shows

Additional Description Withheld

Dallas, TX -- August 5, 2001 -- JFK Lancer, an historical research firm reports that the Court Reporter's tape shows Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony before the Warren Commission had additional descriptions which were withheld.

Mrs. Kennedy testified in a short private session held at her home in Washington, D.C., with Chief Justice Earl Warren, Commission General Council J. Lee Rankin, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, and a court reporter in attendance. Testimony of witnesses before the Warren Commission was made public in the fall of 1964. Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony was also released containing her description of her husbands wounds which read :

"And just as I turned and looked at him, I could see a piece of his skull and I remember it was flesh colored. I remember thinking he just looked as if he had a slight headache. And I just remember seeing that. No blood or anything."

But a second section in which she described the wounds she saw carried only the notation: (Reference to Wounds Deleted).

Although very few Americans actually read those transcripts, historians and researchers who did read them were outraged, and waged a legal battle to have the omitted testimony released. In the early 1970s, a court decision required the United States Government to disclose to the public the contents of the still classified section of Mrs. Kennedy's 1964 Warren Commission testimony. Her previously withheld statement read:

" I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --- I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on."

Releasing this previously withheld section gave researchers what was assumed to be Mrs. Kennedy's complete description of the President's head wounds. Researchers took for granted that the hand-typed transcript page released by the National Archives from the official records of the Warren Commission ended the matter.

However, new analysis reveals that the original court tape actually reads:

"... I could see a piece of his skull sort of wedge-shaped, like that, and I remember that it was flesh colored with little ridges at the top."

Filmmaker Mark Sobel found the discrepancy while doing research for a forthcoming documentary on JFK. Sobel explained, "I was quite surprised to find that Mrs. Kennedy was not asked for more detail --- she had an opportunity to view the wounds longer and closer than any other person as they originally existed. Given the seemingly contradictory testimony by the doctors who treated the President at Parkland Hospital in Dallas just after the shooting and the Doctors who performed the autopsy at Bethesda many hours later, Mrs. Kennedy's testimony would appear critical."

Sobel filed under the Freedom of Information Act to have the court reporter's original tape of Mrs. Kennedy's testimony unsealed, citing that the content had already been fully declassified by the courts and that it was in the best interest of the public for the accuracy of the existing transcript to be verified. Sobel explained, "As I compared the 1964 transcript to the original court reporter's paper tape, I reached a sentence officially transcribed by the Warren Commission as: "I could see a piece of his skull, and I remember that it was flesh colored" words on the original paper taped no longer matched up."

Court Reporter Kathy Bradford of Bradford Court Reporting of Dallas, Texas, agreed. Bradford reviewed the transcript from the archives and certified Mrs. Kennedy's complete statement was not found in the Warren Commission's version..

This extra description was almost certainly witheld from the Commissioners and Legal Staff as well, since these descriptions are missing in the typed transcript that is contained in the actual Warren Commission Records --- before it was finally released publicly in its entirety.

Apprised of these new details, David Mantik, M.D., Ph.D. stated, "Given the lack of follow-up in Mrs. Kennedy's description to exactly what she saw, these details could have been valuable to the House Select Committee on Assassinations that reviewed the medical evidence." Mantik is one of the few doctors allowed to view President Kennedy's original autopsy materials in the National Archives.

Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, seen in films and photos in Dealey Plaza climbing onto the rear of the limousine, stated in his Warren Commission testimony,

"Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car."

Debra Conway of JFK Lancer, says that the court reporter's tape is now on their web site. Conway stated, "Mrs. Kennedy also describes this piece of skull to historian Theodore White in her famous 'Camelot' interview where she told him, 'I could see a piece of his skull coming off; it was flesh colored not white--' This is very similar to what she said to the Warren Commission."

Conway went on to explain, "There were pieces of skull found in the street and in the limousine. The piece of skull described by Mrs. Kennedy could have been one of those later found in the street, the limousine, or an avulsed piece still attached to his head."

Researcher Barb Junkkarinen, who specializes in the medical evidence of the Kennedy assassination and is the Director of the JFK Alliance for Open Archives organization, told JFK Lancer, "The real 'find' here is that two specific descriptions of the head wound by Mrs. Kennedy (that the skull piece was wedge shaped, and that it had little ridges at the top) are not included in what is supposed to be the full and complete transcript of her testimony."

In his memoirs, Senator Arlen Specter, a Junior Council for the Warren Commission in 1964, suggests that the minimal testimony taken from Mrs. Kennedy was due to Earl Warren wishing to be protective of her, and that the handling of her testimony created some distress among other Commissioners and Legal Staff. However, in formerly Top Secret transcripts of the meetings of the seven Commissioners, Commissioner John J. McCloy repeatedly emphasized the importance of obtaining such testimony as quickly as possible "She's the best witness," he said "as to how those bullets struck her husband."

Junkkarinen adds, "Why they would withhold an accurate description is open to debate, but the fact that they put out an altered transcript is telling. How many other transcripts may have fallen victim to the same shenanigans? This is a find that proves alteration of original evidence, and that is important.

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JFK Lancer Productions & Publications

http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/jbkwc.html

B..

I've been observing various aspects of the Nix film.

For this example, I have stabilized a series of frames. The source of these frames is the NSV/Groden DVD, 1st-generation copy of the Nix film. *NOTE* - I *have* adjusted the saturation and luminance values in these frames to make the background more visible. The frames have also been run through a deconvolution filter using a Gaussian blur model. (This filter is similar, but vastly superior, to an "unsharp mask" or sharpen algorithm. It is useful to correct small focus problems without the nasty artifacts and edges that normal sharpen filters create. The downside is that this type of filter is painfully slow)

Please consider the following sequence, and note especially the motorcycle cops:

Source frames NS23 - NS70

...and a close-up of the sequence:

Source frames NS23 - NS66

...two of them brake HARD shortly after the headshot and look directly to their right. They react almost simultaneously, presumably in reaction to a shot. For those keeping track of time, their reaction starts about 25 frames after NS22 (~1.3 seconds).

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Frank:

Thought.....Keep in mind, that in Abraham Zapruder's, testimony to the Warren Commission, July 22.1964....only eight months it only took them. to finally

get around to him. He states, " I heard the first shot and I Saw the President lean over and grab himself like this"..

Though within the film that carries his name, the President is behind the sign, when he receives the first shot, and Zapruder could not see him, according

to the film...he also becomes somewhat confused when they show him some frame photos,in an album, from his film, he cannot understand it seems ,why that sign is hiding the President...

Reported by an SS agent re his first statement " According to Mr.Zapruder the position of the assassin was behind Mr.Zapruder"..WC V11 pp: 570-571..XX p. 183.

Four times, during his testimony Abraham expressed his opinion, that shots came from behind him over his right shoulder..to his right..as he is filming.

Approximately where the motorcyclists turn to look..in the Nix film.

He also mentions that policemen were running behind him.

You may have this previously, as it has been kicked around the forums many timess over the years...but it is in the same general area to the right of

Zapruder, where something draws their attention....

B

THREE PATIENTS at PARKLAND

From State Journal of Medicine, dated January, 1964. It was written in late

November/early December, 1963 before the 'OFFICIAL' story was set in stone.

provided by Michael Parks.

Parkland Memorial Hospital, Dallas, treats an average of 272 emergency cases a day. It is adjacent to and is the major teaching hospital for the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School. It is staffed by the faculty of the medical school and has 150 interns and residents in all medical specialties. It is a modern hospital, well equipped, one of which any community might be proud. Today and for none of these reasons-Parkland has a new reputation all over the world, and historians are typing its name into manuscripts that will be textbooks for generations to come. This has happened because three particular gunshot victims were carried there out of the bright November sunlight, two to die and the third to leave by wheelchair almost two weeks later, his arm in a sling.

Many Texas physicians have visited Parkland hospital; many have worked or trained there. Members of the Parkland staff are their acquaintances and friends. Many Texas physicians know personally the surviving gunshot victim, Gov. John Connally; some personally knew President John F. Kennedy, who died in Trauma Room 1; perhaps a few even knew Lee Harvey Oswald, the man charged by Dallas authorities with the assassination of the President and who was himself shot two days later.

The assassination of President Kennedy, the wounding of Governor Connally, and the fatal shooting of Oswald are events of profound import to people everywhere, but they have special, personal meaning for Texans. So because a Texas hospital and Texas physicians figured prominently in this tragedy, the Texas State Journal of Medicine records for its readers of the medical profession a full account of treatment given a never-to-be-forgotten trio.

When President John F. Kennedy in a moribund condition entered Parkland on Nov. 22, there was never opportunity for medical history taking. Such a history, had it been taken, would have shown that the patient "had survived several illnesses, the danger of war, the rigor of exposure in icy water, and . . . had waged grueling electoral campaigns in spite of a serious and painful back injury."

Parkland records show that the President arrived at the emergency room sometime after 12:30 p.m. (There is conflict as to the exact moment.) At 1 p.m. Dr. William Kemp Clark, associate professor and chairman of the Division of Neurosurgery of the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School, declared him dead. During the interim of less than 30 minutes, continuous resuscitative efforts were made.

Later that day, several attending physicians filed reports. The following identifies these physicians and gives the gist of their reports:

Charles J Carrico - Dr. Carrico was the first physician to see the President. A 1961 graduate of Southwestern Medical School, he is 28 and a resident in surgery at Parkland.

He reported that when the patient entered the emergency room on an ambulance carriage he had slow agonal respiratory efforts and occasional cardiac beats detectable by auscultation. Two external wounds were noted; one a small wound of the anterior neck in the lower one third. The other wound had caused avulsion of the occipitoparietal calvarium and shredded brain tissue was present with profuse oozing. No pulse or blood pressure were present. Pupils were bilaterally dilated and fixed. A cuffed endotracheal tube was inserted through the laryngoscope. A ragged wound of the trachea was seen immediately below the larynx. The tube was advanced past the laceration and the cuff inflated. Respiration was instituted using a respirator assistor on automatic cycling. Concurrently, an intravenous infusion of lactated Ringer's solution was begun via catheter placed in the right leg. Blood was drawn for typing and crossmatching. Type 0 Rh negative blood was obtained immediately.

In view of the tracheal injury and diminished breath sounds in the right chest, tracheostomy was performed by Dr. Malcolm 0. Perry and bilateral chest tubes inserted. A second intravenous infusion was begun in the left arm. In addition, Dr. M. T. Jenkins began respiration with the anesthesia machine, cardiac monitor and stimulator attached. Solu-Cortef (300 mg.) was given intravenously. Despite those measures, blood pressure never returned. Only brief electrocardiographic evidence of cardiac activity was obtained.

Malcolm 0. Perry - Dr. Perry is an assistant professor of surgery at Southwestern Medical School from which he received his degree in 1955. He was 34 years old and was certified by the American Board of Surgery in 1963.

At the time of initial examination of the President, Dr. Perry has stated, the patient was noted to be nonresponsive . His eyes were deviated and the pupils dilated. A considerable quantity of blood was noted on the patient, the carriage, and the floor. A small wound was noted in the midline of the neck in the lower third anteriorly. It was exuding blood slowly. A large wound of the right posterior cranium was noted, exposing severely lacerated brain. Brain tissue was noted in the blood at the head of the carriage.

Pulse or heart beat were not detectable but slow spasmodic respiration was noted. An endotracheal tube was in place and respiration was being controlled. An intravenous infusion was being placed in the leg. While additional venesections were done to administer fluids and blood, a tracheostomy was effected. A right lateral injury to the trachea was noted. The cuffed tracheostomy tube was put in place as the endotracheal tube was withdrawn and respirations continued. Closed chest cardiac massage was instituted after placement of sealed-drainage chest tubes, but without benefit. When electrocardiogram evaluation revealed that no detectable electrical activity existed in the heart, resuscitative attempts were abandoned. The team of physicians determined that the patient had expired.

Charles R. Baxter - Dr. Baxter is an assistant professor of surgery at Southwestern Medical School where he first arrived as a medical student in 1950. Except for two years away in the Army he has been at Southwestern and Parkland ever since, moving up from student to intern to resident to faculty member. He is 34 and was certified by the American Board of Surgery in 1963.

Recalling his attendance to President Kennedy, he says he learned at approximately 12 :35 that the President was on the way to the emergency room and that he had been shot. When Dr. Baxter arrived in the emergency room, he found an endotracheal tube in place and respirations being assisted. A left chest tube was being inserted and cut-downs were functioning in one leg and in the left arm. The President had a wound in the midline of the neck. On first observation of the other wounds, portions of the right temporal and occipital bones were missing and some of the brain was lying on the table. The rest of the brain was extensively macerated and contused. The pupils were fixed and deviated laterally and were dilated. No pulse was detectable and ineffectual respirations were being assisted. A tracheostomy was performed by Dr. Perry and Dr. Baxter and a chest tube was inserted into the right chest (second interspace anteriorly). Meanwhile one pint of O negative blood was administered without response. When all of these measures were complete, no heart beat could be detected. Closed chest massage was performed until a cardioscope could be attached.

Brief cardiac activity was obtained followed by no activity. Due to the extensive and irreparable brain damage which existed and since there were no signs of life, no further attempts were made at resuscitation.

Robert N. McClelland - Dr. McClelland, 34, assistant professor of surgery at Southwestern Medical School, is a graduate of the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston. He has served with the Air Force in Germany and was certified by the American Board of Surgery in 1963.

Regarding the assassination of President Kennedy, Dr. McClelland says that at approximately 12:35 p.m. he was called from the second floor of the hospital to the emergency room. When he arrived, President Kennedy was being attended by Drs. Perry, Baxter, Carrico, and Ronald Jones, chief resident in surgery. The President was at that time comatose from a massive gunshot wound of the head with a fragment wound of the trachea. An endotracheal tube had been placed and assisted respiration started by Dr. Carrico who was on duty in the emergency room when the President arrived. Drs. Perry, Baxter, and McClelland performed a tracheostomy for respiratory distress and tracheal injury. Dr. Jones and Dr. Paul Peters, assistant professor of surgery, ; inserted bilateral anterior chest tubes for pneumothoraces secondary to the tracheo-mediastinal injury. Dr. Jones and assistants had started three cutdowns, giving blood and fluids immediately.

In spite of this, the President was pronounced dead at 1:00 p.m. by Dr. Clark, the neurosurgeon, who arrived immediately after Dr. McClelland. The cause of death, according to Dr. McClelland was the massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the right side of the head. The President was pronounced dead after external cardiac massage failed and electrocardiographic activity was gone.

Fouad A, Bashour - Dr. Bashour received his medical education at the University of Beirut School of Medicine in Lebanon. He is 39 and an associate professor of medicine in cardiology at Southwestern Medical School.

At 12 :50 p.m. Dr. Bashour was called from the first floor of the hospital and told that President Kennedy had been shot. He and Dr. Donald Seldin, professor and chairman of the Department of Internal Medicine, went to the emergency room. Upon examination, they found that the President had no pulsations, no heart beats, no blood pressure. The oscilloscope showed a complete standstill. The President was declared dead at 1:00 p.m.

William Kemp Clark - Dr. Clark is associate professor and chairman of the Division of Neurosurgery at Southwestern Medical School. The 38-year-old physician has done research on head injuries and has been at Southwestern since 1956.

He reports this account of the President's treatment:

The President arrived at the emergency room entrance in the back seat of his limousine. Governor Connally of Texas was also in this car. The first physician to see the President was Dr. Carrico.

Dr. Carrico noted the President to have slow, agonal respiratory efforts. He could hear a heart beat but found no pulse or blood pressure. Two external wounds, one in the lower third of the anterior neck, the other in the occipital region of the skull, were noted. Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding. Dr. Carrico inserted a cuffed endotracheal tube and while doing so, he noted a ragged wound of the trachea immediately below the larynx.

At this time, Drs. Perry, Baxter, and Jones arrived. Immediately thereafter, Dr. Jenkins and Drs. A. H. Giesecke, Jr., and Jackie H. Hunt, two other staff anesthesiologists, arrived. The endotracheal tube had been connected to a respirator to assist the President's breathing. An anesthesia machine was substituted for this by Dr. Jenkins. Only 100 per cent oxygen was administered.

A cutdown was performed in the right ankle, and a polyethylene catheter inserted in the vein. An infusion of lactated Ringer's solution was begun. Blood was drawn for typing and crossmatching, but unmatched type O Rh negative blood was immediately obtained and begun. Hydrocortisone (300 mg.) was added to the intravenous fluids.

Dr. McClelland arrived to help in the President's care. Drs. Perry, Baxter, and McClelland did a tracheostomy. Considerable quantities of blood were present in the President's oral pharynx. At this time, Dr. Peters and Dr. Clark arrived.

Dr. Clark noted that the President had bled profusely from the back of the head. There was a large (3 by 3 cm.) amount of cerebral tissue present on the cart. There was a smaller amount of cerebellar tissue present also.

The tracheostomy was completed and the endotracheal tube was withdrawn. Suction was used to remove blood in the oral pharynx. A nasogastric tube was passed into the stomach. Because of the likelihood of mediastinal injury, anterior chest tubes were placed in both pleural spaces. These were connected to sealed underwater drainage.

Neurological examination revealed the President's pupils to be widely dilated and fixed to light. His eyes were divergent, being deviated outward; a skew deviation from the horizontal was present. No deep tendon reflexes or spontaneous movements were found.

When Dr. Clark noted that there was no carotid pulse, he began closed chest massage. A pulse was obtained at the carotid and femoral levels.

Dr. Perry then took over the cardiac massage so that Dr. Clark could evaluate the head wound.

There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region. Much of the right posterior skull, at brief examination, appeared gone. The previously described extruding brain was present. Profuse bleeding had occurred and 1500 cc. of blood was estimated to be on the drapes and floor of the emergency operating room. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound.

By this time an electrocardiograph was hooked up. There was brief electrical activity of the heart which soon stopped.

The President was pronounced dead at 1:00 p.m. by Dr. Clark.

M. T. Jenkins - Dr. Jenkins is professor and chairman of the Department of Anesthesiology at Southwestern Medical School. He is 46, a graduate of the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, and was certified by the American Board of Anesthesiology in 1952. During World War II he served in the Navy as a lieutenant commander.

When Dr. Jenkins was notified that the President was being brought to the emergency room at Parkland, he dispatched Drs. Giesecke and Hunt with an anesthesia machine and resuscitative equipment to the major surgical emergency room area. He ran downstairs to find upon his arrival in the emergency operating room that Dr. Carrico had begun resuscitative efforts by introducing an orotracheal tube, connecting it for controlled ventilation to a Bennett intermittent positive pressure breathing apparatus. Drs. Baxter, Perry, and McClelland arrived at the same time and began a tracheostomy and started the insertion of a right chest tube, since there was also obvious tracheal and chest damage. Drs. Peters and Clark arrived simultaneously and immediately thereafter assisted respectively with the insertion of the right chest tube and with manual closed chest cardiac compression to assure circulation. Dr. Jenkins believes it evidence of the clear thinking of the resuscitative team that the patient received 300 mg. hydrocortisone intravenously in the first few minutes.

For better control of artificial ventilation, Dr. Jenkins exchanged the intermittent positive pressure breathing apparatus for an anesthesia machine and continued artificial ventilation. Dr. Gene Akin, a resident in anesthesiology, and Dr. Giesecke connected a cardioscope to determine cardiac activity.

During the progress of these activities, the emergency room cart was elevated at the feet in order to provide a Trendelenburg position, a venous cutdown was performed on the right saphenous vein and additional fluids were begun in a vein in the left forearm while blood was ordered from the blood bank. All of these activities were completed by approximately 12:50 at which time external cardiac massage was still being carried out effectively by Dr. Clark as judged by a palpable peripheral pulse. Despite these measures there was only brief electrocardiographic evidence of cardiac activity.

These described resuscitative activities were indicated as of first importance, and after they were carried out, attention was turned to other evidences of injury. There was a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that part of the right cerebellum had protruded from the wound. There were also fragmented sections of brain on the drapes of the emergency room cart. With the institution of adequate cardiac compression, there was a great flow of blood from the cranial cavity, indicating that there was much vascular damage as well as brain tissue damage. President Kennedy was pronounced dead at 1 p.m.

It is Dr. Jenkins' personal feeling that all methods of resuscitation were instituted expeditiously and efficiently. However, he says, the cranial and intracranial damage was of such magnitude as to cause irreversible damage.

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Dr.Kemp Clark noted, confirming under oath......

that, " in the occipital ( lower posterior ) region of the skull ...........there was a large wound in the right occipitalparietal ( where the side meets rear) region.."

Since the assassination Dr.Clark has been extremely reluctant to converse with anyone, in 1994 he did, to Dr.Cyril Wecht through David Nero....see letter...

B..

Ter .....here are the comparisons...

The Officers name is Marvin Wise.....

Perhaps after he saw those cameras rolling, he smartened himself up.....

As he is right tip top in a Beers photo....leading the way...while Officer Billy Lee Bass now takes the rear...

B..

Nice job Ed.

Hi Lee.

Good to see you back posting. !

Bernice, i agree with you that the lady appears to be carrying a bag.

I also think that the man seems to be shielding his face with his hat.

Hi Robin:

Either that, or speaking into a something, or coughing.....??

I have noticed that his coat has been and is being called a trench coat, for some time,

it appears now it could possibley be a plastic see through...

It's possible John, that her coat could be showing reflections on the plastic from the sun the same as

up at her shoulder and other areas.....seems similar ..?

B

I have lightened it some, she may be carrying a purse..possible his

rain coat is also a see through..

B

"First Day Evidence and Dealey Plaza"

Michael Parks..

"The SecretService performed a reenactment on 12/5/63 of the shooting of President Kennedy at Dealey Plaza. A survey plat was made for this event by Dallas County Surveyer Robert West and his assistant, Chester Breneman. This survey plat later became Commission Exhibit 585..

This was not the first reenactment performed by the Secret Service in Dealey Plaza. On 11/27/63, they hired the local CBS affiliate KRLD-TV...to film a pre-reenactment, the television crew filmed from Zapruder's pedestal. Within this automobile were two other camera-men, one filming back toward the Texas School Book Depository while the other films ahead toward the Triple Underpass.

We do not know why the Secret Service needed a pre-reenactment. At the time of this event, they had the Zapruder film and may even had a survey plat made on 11/25/63 for Time/Life by the same survey team of West and Breneman..The Official story during both the Secret Services reenactments was three shots, three hits.This story did not change until the following year with the advent of the Magic Bullet...

Breneman stated that they had a full set of Zapruder frames from which to work with during the December reenactment..The was furnished by Life Magazine to the Secret Service .These slide were used to place the shots on

CE 585.....

As was pointed out by Chuck Marler in his several informative articles on the topic, shots were placed at Zapruder frames 208, 276, and 358..

These locations were marked on the county survey plat and it became an official document..

It is quite obvious by even the casual observer that the Zapruder film does not support this shot placement.."

The next year to back up the theory of the Magic Bullet, the FBI and the Warren Commission held a third reenactment in the Plaza..on 5/24/64....the actors used the Zapruder film, and West and Breneman made another survey plat..CE 882...they move the Head shot to Z 313 from Z 358..

.It makes you wonder if they had the same film....???

The three yellow curb painted sections within the area where JFK was killed, the last yellow curb marker, is seen after Z 313 but before Z 358.....

" There is no way the Secret Service could have been off 45 frames in their head shot placement unless they viewed a different Zapruder film.."

'' Is there more proof the Stemmons sign was moved? Yes !

Surveyor ( Joe) West stated he later measured his plats and found the sign had been moved by more than ten feet..

Even assassination witness and Dealey Plaza groundskeeper, Emmett Hudson testified the signs in the Plaza had been moved ( shortly ?) after 11/22/63...He also said the head shot was almost in front of where he stood.

This would agree more with the Secret Service's Z 358 shot than the FBI's Z 313...

It appears the sign was moved to the FBI's position to match the altered sign in the Zapruder film...

All the Zapruder frames seen were chosen because of the closeness to the reenactment .."

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=34

http://www.assassinationscience.com/johnco...intro/sign.html

B..

Jack White asked me to post this....

B..

Jack White has asked me to post this ..

Did Princess Diana have secret information about the two men pictured here..?

Jack..

Some information copied from the web, a few years ago.

The links all but the last, are now dead..but ....may be worth a read...

For anyone interested..

Government Editorial Keywords: JFK, FEDERAL RESERVE, RIPOFF

Source: Uncensored Media Weekly

Published: n/a Author: Anthony Wayne

Posted on 11/22/2000 09:03:04 PST by rubbertramp

Uncensored Media Weekly

JFK vs. The Federal Reserve

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Common Law Institute has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - the author of Profiles in Courage - signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency - money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority:

"to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury."

This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assasinated. It appears obvious that President Kennedy knew the Federal Reserve Notes being used as the purported legal currency were contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America. "United States Notes" were issued as an interest-free and debt-free currency backed by silver reserves in the U.S. Treasury.

President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation. According to the United States Secret Service, 99% of all U.S. paper "currency" circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.

Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of instrinsic value. Executive Order 11110 should have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level (virtually all of the nearly $9 trillion in federal debt has been created since 1963) if LBJ or any subsequent President were to enforce it. It would have almost immediately given the U.S. Government the ability to repay its debt without going to the private Federal Reserve Banks and being charged interest to create new "money". Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S.A. the ability to, once again, create its own money backed by silver and real value worth something.

Again, according to our own research, just five months after Kennedy was assasinated, no more of the Series 1958 "Silver Certificates" were issued either, and they were subsequently removed from circulation. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. It seems very apparent that President Kennedy challenged the "powers that exist behind U.S. and world finance". With true patriotic courage, JFK boldly faced the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt: 1) war (Viet Nam); and, 2) the creation of money by a privately owned central bank. His efforts to have all U.S. troops out of Vietnam by 1965 combined with Executive Order 11110 would have destroyed the profits and control of the private Federal Reserve Bank.

Executive Order 11110

AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289 AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended -

(a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):

"(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b-) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821 (b-)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption," and

(b-) By revoking subparagraphs (b-) and © of paragraph 2 thereof.

SECTION 2. The amendment made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

JOHN F. KENNEDY

THE WHITE HOUSE,

June 4, 1963

Once again, Executive Order 11110 is still valid. According to Title 3, United States Code, Section 301 dated January 26, 1998:

Executive Order (EO) 10289 dated Sept. 17, 1951, 16 F.R. 9499, was as amended by:

EO 10583, dated December 18, 1954, 19 F.R. 8725;

EO 10882 dated July 18, 1960, 25 F.R. 6869;

EO 11110 dated June 4, 1963, 28 F.R. 5605;

EO 11825 dated December 31, 1974, 40 F.R. 1003;

EO 12608 dated September 9, 1987, 52 F.R. 34617

The 1974 and 1987 amendments, added after Kennedy's 1963 amendment, did not change or alter any part of Kennedy's EO 11110. A search of Clinton's 1998 and 1999 EO's and Presidential Directives has also shown no reference to any alterations, suspensions, or changes to EO 11110.

The Federal Reserve Bank, a.k.a Federal Reserve System, is a Private Corporation. Black's Law Dictionary defines the "Federal Reserve System" as:

"Network of twelve central banks to which most national banks belong and to which state chartered banks may belong. Membership rules require investment of stock and minimum reserves."

Privately-owned banks own the stock of the FED. This was explained in more detail in the case of Lewis v. United States, Federal Reporter, 2nd Series, Vol. 680, Pages 1239, 1241 (1982), where the court said:

"Each Federal Reserve Bank is a separate corporation owned by commercial banks in its region. The stock-holding commercial banks elect two thirds of each Bank's nine member board of directors".

The Federal Reserve Banks are locally controlled by their member banks. Once again, according to Black's Law Dictionary, we find that these privately owned banks actually issue money:

"Federal Reserve Act. Law which created Federal Reserve banks which act as agents in maintaining money reserves, issuing money in the form of bank notes, lending money to banks, and supervising banks. Administered by Federal Reserve Board (q.v.)".

The privately owned Federal Reserve (FED) banks actually issue (create) the "money" we use. In 1964, the House Committee on Banking and Currency, Subcommittee on Domestic Finance, at the second session of the 88th Congress, put out a study entitled Money Facts which contains a good description of what the FED is:

"The Federal Reserve is a total money-making machine. It can issue money or checks. And it never has a problem of making its checks good because it can obtain the $5 and $10 bills necessary to cover its check simply by asking the Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving to print them".

Any one person or any closely knit group who has a lot of money has a lot of power. Now imagine a group of people who have the power to create money. Imagine the power these people would have. This is exactly what the privately owned FED is!

No man did more to expose the power of the FED than Louis T. McFadden, who was the Chairman of the House Banking Committee back in the 1930s. In describing the FED, he remarked in the Congressional Record, House pages 1295 and 1296 on June 10, 1932:

"Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal reserve banks. The Federal Reserve Board, a Government Board, has cheated the Government of the United States and he people of the United States out of enough money to pay the national debt. The depredations and the iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal reserve banks acting together have cost this country enough money to pay the national debt several times over. This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of the United States; has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the maladministration of that law by which the Federal Reserve Board, and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it".

Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions, departments, or agencies. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. Those 12 private credit monopolies were deceitfully placed upon this country by bankers who came here from Europe and who repaid us for our hospitality by undermining our American institutions.

The FED basically works like this: The government granted its power to create money to the FED banks. They create money, then loan it back to the government charging interest. The government levies income taxes to pay the interest on the debt. On this point, it's interesting to note that the Federal Reserve Act and the sixteenth amendment, which gave congress the power to collect income taxes, were both passed in 1913. The incredible power of the FED over the economy is universally admitted. Some people, especially in the banking and academic communities, even support it. On the other hand, there are those, such as President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, that have spoken out against it. His efforts were spoken about in Jim Marrs' 1990 book Crossfire:

"Another overlooked aspect of Kennedy's attempt to reform American society involves money. Kennedy apparently reasoned that by returning to the constitution, which states that only Congress shall coin and regulate money, the soaring national debt could be reduced by not paying interest to the bankers of the Federal Reserve System, who print paper money then loan it to the government at interest. He moved in this area on June 4, 1963, by signing Executive Order 11110 which called for the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes through the U.S. Treasury rather than the traditional Federal Reserve System. That same day, Kennedy signed a bill changing the backing of one and two dollar bills from silver to gold, adding strength to the weakened U.S. currency.

Kennedy's comptroller of the currency, James J. Saxon, had been at odds with the powerful Federal Reserve Board for some time, encouraging broader investment and lending powers for banks that were not part of the Federal Reserve system. Saxon also had decided that non-Reserve banks could underwrite state and local general obligation bonds, again weakening the dominant Federal Reserve banks".

In a speech made to Columbia University on Nov. 12, 1963, ten days before his assassination, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy said:

"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."

In this matter, John Fitzgerald Kennedy appears to be the subject of his own book... a true Profile of Courage.

This research report was compiled for Lawgiver.Org by Anthony Wayne

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A Time Line of the National Bank

December 14, 1790 Alexander Hamilton proposes a Bank of the United States.

December 16, 1790 Patric Henry opposes the National bank because it is unconstitutional.

February 25, 1791 President Washington asks his cabinet members for opinions on the National Bank. Thomas Jefferson submitted that such a Bank was unconstitutional and would also violate the yet to be ratified 10th Amendment. Alexander Hamilton submitted that Congress's power to collect taxes, was also power to create a national bank. Not convinced by either side, Washington sided with Hamilton as it was Hamilton's job as Secretary of the Treasury to know what he was doing.

December 12, 1791 The Bank of the United States opens it's doors in Philadelphia.

January 21, 1793 Hamilton and the National Bank are accused of corruption and mismanagement. Opponents to the National Bank call for the demise of the unconstitutional Bank. Congress fails to act.

February 20, 1811 Congress refuses to let the National Bank renew its Charter on the grounds that the Bank is unconstitutional.

March 4, 1811, The Bank of the United States is dissolved.

January 20, 1815 President Madison vetoes a bill that would create a second National Bank.

January 8, 1816 Faced with financial hardship from the War of 1812, Congress proposes a 2nd National Bank. The Bill also allows the President to suspend hard currency.

March 14, 1816 The 2nd National Bank gets Congressional approval.

January 1, 1817 The 2nd National Bank opens for business.

January 9, 1832 The 2nd National Bank applies for it's Charter renewal 4 years early.

July 10, 1832 President Jackson vetoes the Bank's recharter on the grounds that the Bank is unconstitutional.

January 1835 With the National Bank powerless, Jackson successfully pays off the nations debt leaving the U.S. with a surplus of $5,000.

July 11, 1836 Paper money results in tremendous inflation in property value. President Jackson issues a Specie Circular mandating that land payments be made with gold and silver.

July 4, 1840 President Van Buren approves the Independent Treasury which allows the Federal government to control it's own money.

June 7, 1841 Henry Clay, on behalf of the Whig party, introduces legislation to abolish the Independent Treasury in hopes to replace the national banking system with a Federal Bank.

July 28, 1841 The Senate passes a bill, sponsored by the Whig party, to revive the 2nd National Bank by creating a Federal Bank that would be called The Fiscal Bank of the United States. (A State chartered Bank for the District of Columbia that would be used by the U.S. Government. ) President Tyler vetoes the bill as unconstitutional.

August 13, 1841 The Independent Treasury Act is repealed leaving the National government without a Banking system for the next 5 years. The Secretary of the Treasury deposits the government's money into State Banks.

September 3, 1841 Congress again tries to create a Federal Bank. This time, they set it up to be run by State office holders. Again, President Tyler vetoes it as unconstitutional.

September 18, 1873 A flood of paper money snowballs the Nation into a depression that lasts 5 years.

January 14, 1875 The Specie Resumption Act allows legal tender to be exchanged for gold. When the Act goes into affect in 1879, the nation starts to revive from the 1873 depression.

1907 The Nation again goes into a Depression because of paper currency, but J.P. Morgan saves the Nation from a major crisis by providing the government with $100 million dollars in gold.

December 23, 1913 In response to the National Depression in 1907, President Wilson gets Congress to pass the Owen-Glass Federal Reserve Act. The Act is intended to better regulate paper money.

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The link to Ed Flaherty's debunking of this myth is already on the thread at message # 13 (the reference to tin foil). Additionally, the text of the EX 11110 is part of the Official Notes to 3 USC sec 301 (the section deals with delegations of authority by the Prez), ostensibly in two places in the Official Notes - as a part of EO 10289 (originally 1951, with many subsequent amendments, a long list of things delegated to the Sec of the Treasury, EO 11110 is now mentioned only for revoking two old paragraphs that had authorized the Treasury to keep purchasing silver bullion) and standing alone as EO 11110 (in the latest edition of US Code Annotated, it's on 3 USCA sec. 301 page 863-864). EO 11110 was originally published (in June 1963) in 28 Federal Register 5605, and it's appeared in the official notes to 3 USC 301 ever since then. Clearly it hasn't been revoked, amended, or concealed. And reading it, especially keeping in mind the context of the EO 10289 which it says it is amending, makes it clear that it doesn't say what the kooks say it does.

EO 11110 was issued simultaneously with the enactment of the Silver Purchase Repeal Act, PL 88-36, June 4, 1963, 77 Stat 54, 1963 USCCAN 56, and that Act should be consulted for the context in which the EO was issued.

27 Posted on 02/14/2001 08:07:04 PST by DonQ

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Acts Authorizing United States Notes

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