Bernice Moore
-
Posts
3,556 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
1
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Events
Store
Posts posted by Bernice Moore
-
-
FWIW.....Here's my analysis of the white shirted man.....I stand to be corrected if my locations are in error.
Duncan
Duncan, thanks for supplying us with an alternative view and supporting photos.
When I get home, I'll study it more in depth.
chris
Duncan is ignoring the Wiegman frame which SHOWS NOBODY ON THE PEDESTAL,
not the dancing couple nor Z/S.
All of this ignores the basic issue. The pedestal was in bright sunlight. Z/S should
photograph as well as in other photos, but they do not. I am not really interested
in the dancing couple. I want to know why Z/S are not on the pedestal.
Jack
Good grief...Zap and Sitz were BACKLIT in Weigman.
How ignorant! It was noon in November. In Dallas Texas the sun was IN THE SOUTH.
The people on the pedestal were FACING SOUTH. Shadows of the pedestal fall to
the NORTH (strangely, the people on the pedestal CAST NO SHADOW). Wiegman's
camera is POINTING WEST toward the pedestal. The sun is to Wiegman's left.
There is no way in hell that the people on the pedestal are BACKLIGHTED.
And Lamson calls himself "Mr. Light".
Jack
Thanks for proving my point, they were BACKLIT! Weigmans camera was pointed almost DIRECTLY into the sun. And to think Jack calls himself a photographer!
HOW IGNORANT! WIEGMAN'S CAMERA WAS POINTING WEST. AT NOON THE SUN WAS IN THE SOUTH!
Any photographer who knows lighting knows that is called SIDELIGHTING! What crap!
Jack
*****************
Photo posted for Jack.....
B
-
I might be way out of line here but,I`m going to roll the dice & hope that it don`t come up snake eyes....
I could have sworn that Doug Horne came to this forum and said that he had recently discovered 2 new documents.
1 document that he produced was highlighted & said that Russian intelligence/KGB had information that LBJ was behind or had something to do with the death of president Kennedy.
Here is number 2 in which I`m trying to make my point.
I could have sworn that Mr.Horne also produced a second document that had a highlighted area indicating that a "bullet" was found during the autopsy behind the ear of president Kennedy.
Could this be the "missile" that Sibert & O`Neil signed the receipt for?
*******************
Hi Michael:
You may be interested in the following for your own information.....
A thread where Doug posted his latest work....
Cover-Up of the Medical Evidence
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ug+Horne+report
And the...
HSCA Report, Volume V! ..Recovered Bullet During JFK Autopsy......on the Sibert and O'Neil Report
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=308
B..
-
Here is the Willis 15, from the corner of Elm and Houston Sts..showing
Marilyn at the far left.....note her Left foot, and shoe not in shadows....
a flat...
B
-
Thanks to Bernice and Chris for posting my studies. This crappy new
forum software discriminates against Macintosh users.
Jack
Your welcome Jack, and why ? as many have mentioned, something was fixed, when not broken is beyond me,
and as has been also mentioned, by others it is getting slower and more difficut to post with and without attachments..
at times.
B..
-
There are no clear photos of Marilyn Sitzman on the pedestal wearing high heels, that you assume she had on, there are no clear photos of her on the pedestal, period...and neither are there in the Trask's book, that I have come upon.....that you say are there...??.and seeing that I do not think you have ever worn high heels, you would not know anything about running up and down knolls and or grassy hills, or on grass, for that matter, wearing such ,so do not try to tell a woman, who did wear them for many years, about them...... you are assuming again......and in error..
I did not say there were No women ,Not wearing high heels, on the knoll area, we all wore them back then..we wrecked our feet, but we wore them.....and also we wore flats...
I said no woman with high heels on, would run up or down a grassy knoll hill with such on their feet, as the heels would stick into the grass, especially running down...and that is something you would not know about......if you are going to imply what I said and or did not say, make sure you are correct and not simply inserting your suppositions..again.
.No one knows if she wore such on the pedestal, positively, as no clear photo exists that she is or did......Did it ever occur to you or any man, within the research world, that she especially in a straight skirt, climbing up on a pedestal ,would have slipped them off....IF she was wearing them..which is questionable.......But.... there is a BIG IF about it, as there is seen in Trasks, which you refer to, and others do own... a photo of her at the corner of Houston and Main, it appears that the shoe on her left foot, which is on the sidewalk, as she takes a step with her right, does Not have a High Heel...it appears to be what we called a flat....so from this crop of Trask's photo, lightened, it appears that she was wearing flats......it is not a positive as yet, but that is the way it appears to me right now....I will attach and please, all, have a look at her left foot....
B..
In this still of Sitzman, she looks like she's either standing on her tiptoes or is wearing high heels.
Mark - you are wasting your time with people like Bernice. She should have seen the elevated arches of Sitzman in the Betzner photo, but couldn't. She then posted a poor resolution image of Sitzman near the corner of the TSBD in such a way that she washed out a good amount of detail showing Sitzman in her high heels. Yes - Jack has taught her well!
When I get time I will search the good scan that I believe that Robin once posted of the same picture from Trask book "Pictures of the Pain". Then she can claim the photos were altered to hide Sitzman's flats.
Bill
___________
Mark :
Thanks for the photo......but I do not see any shoes, and certainly not clearly, imo...B
******************
Bill:
Not excusing as usual your ill-mannered remarks, which no, BTW, Jack has not taught me, whenever would he have the time is beyond me.....
But BTW that is from Robin's post, which I believe he may have gotten from a member that posted such on another forum, perhaps..
Or that he scanned himself, I am not sure, as he never did say, but no matter, here are both.
I do not claim photos are as you say, I do say some are very indistinguishable, and blurry, cloudy and are not what the photographer
recalls such as Altgens, and some films having been cut as Nix stated, and there are many questions surrounding them and the films....
and there is a possibility that some have..been manipulated.
AS I Stated all I did was lighten it up a little more, there you go again.....twisiting peoples words, which as I have mentioned before
you are simply not very good at doing so......But great at screaming about such when someone does not quote you properly.....you cannot
have it both ways Bull..
Her LEFT foot is still on the sidewalk...have a look..with no high heel......she surely was not wearing one right shoe with a high
heel and one left shoe without...you are silly...
Below you will find the one Robin posted....and the other posted by a memberon another forum..neither touched....as they were..
Please go ahead, and post not only this one, but also Sitzman getting off the pedestal, and Zapruder as well, that you do keep mentioning but as yet,
have not posted...show the Beef Bill......??
B
-
Nonsense. The BEST ENLARGEMENTS OF THE BRONSON SLIDE ARE IN MY FILES.
I gave one of my slides to Robert, who reproduced it in his book.
Jack
What's nonsense, Jack? I can see Hester quite easily in Groden's enlargement ... if you have a better one, then it will only show you to be more in error than Groden's copy does. This claim of yours is very similar to the "gap" that you said Thompson invented in his drum scan while knowing damned well that every copy before that time showed the same gap. Please feel free to scan your copy of the Bronson slide and email it to me or someone else and we will be happy to post it for you.
If you want to post that image yourself, then go back and start deleting old images (espeically ones where you were shown to be in error like in the white woman being black claim or the sex change claim you made concerning the Zapruder film). Once you have done this, then you have then made available space to post more images.
Bill
"Miller" does not read well. I have said numerous times that I can no longer
post images because of the forum's new software, which discriminates against
Macintosh. It supports only OSX or higher. My ten-year old computer uses
OS9.2, which is sufficient for all my needs except this forum. I have said this
in at least half a dozen posts, but "Miller" is devoid of comprehending the
written word.
Jack
****************************
If Jack could post his own photos, he certainly would be....enough of that crap......
Here's your photo Jack..........
B..
-
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Charles Hester, Address 2616 Keyhole, Irving Age 28 , Phone No. None
Deposes and says:
My wife, Beatrice and I were sitting on the grass on the slope on Elm Street where the park is located. When President Kennedy's car got almost down to the underpass, I heard two shots ring out. Thye [sic] sounded like they came from immediately behind us and over our heads. We did [not?] see the shooting. I immediately turned and looked at the Texas Book Depository building and did not see anyone. The shots sounded like the [sic] definitely came from in or around the building. I grabbed my wife because I didn't know where the next shot was coming from and dragged her up next to the concrete imbankment [sic] and threw her down on the ground and got on the ground with her. Then there was utter confusion. The Police rushed toward the railroad tracks and I finally found an officer to go to the Texas Book Depository Building. The officer I contacted was Officer Wiseman [sic: Weitzman] of the Dallas Sheriff's Department.
/s/ Charles Hester
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date 11/25/63
CHARLES HESTER, 2610 Mayhold Street, furnished the following information:
At approximately 12:30 p.m., November 22, 1963, HESTER and his wife, BEATRICE, were standing along the street at the point immediately preceeding the underpass on Elm Street where President JOHN F. KENNEDY was shot. HESTER stated he saw the President slump in the seat of the car and that he heard two shots fired drom what appeared to be a building located on the corner of Elm Street and Houston Street. He Stated he and his wife were almost in a direct line of the fire and he immediately grabbed his wife and shoved her to the ground. He stated hethereafter immediately escorted his wife across to the north side of the street on an embankment in an attempt to gain shelter.
HESTER stated he did not see anyone with a gun at the time the shots were fired and that after the President's car had pulled away from the scene and officers started toward the aforementioned building, he and his wife proceeded to their car and left the area.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
on 11/24/63 at Irving, Texas File # DL 89-43
By Special Agent DOYLE WILLIAMS and HENRY J. OLIVER Date Dictated 11/25/63
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date November 25, 1963
Mrs. CHARLES HESTER, 2619 Keyhole Street, Irving, Texas, advised that sometime around 12:30 p.m., on November 22, 1963, she and her husband were standing along the street at a place immediately preceding the underpass on Elm Street, where President KENNEDY was shot. Mrs. HESTER advised she heard two loud noises which sounded like gunshots, and she saw president KENNEDY slump in the seat of the car he was riding in. Her husband then grabbed her and shoved her to the ground. Shortly thereafter they went across to the north side of the street on an embankment in an attempt to gain shelter. She stated that she believes she and her husband actually had been in the direct line of fire. She did not see anyone with a gun when the shots were fired and stated she could not furnish any information as to exactly where the shots came from. After the President's car had pulled away from the scene. she and her husband proceeded to their car and left the scene as she was very upset.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
on 11/24/63 at Irving, Texas File # DL 89-43
By Special Agent J. DOYLE WILLIAMS and HENRY J. OLIVER Date Dictated 11/25/63
"Miller" is so dumb he does not even recognize that the Hester statements CONFLICT with
each other and with EXTANT PHOTOS WHICH TELL A DIFFERENT STORY.
In Willis 5, for instance, Beatrice is seen standing and waving AT THE SOUTH END OF
THE PERGOLA, and husband CHARLES IS SITING ON THE BENCH READING A NEWSPAPER,
not even looking at the motorcade. This is also seen in other photos.
So what do we believe...the photos or their sworn statements?
If "Miller" says we should believe the affidavits, he is admitting the photos are faked.
If he says the photos are accurate, then he is saying the Hesters lied under oath.
Give it up, "Miller"...you can't win.
Jack
**********************************
I came to post the separate errors in Charles statements......but I see Miller has done so for me..
..but thanks Bill....
I see no need now to reply to your tirade to my post above, as you have not said
anything...and apparenty you cannot read straight nor comprehend......and it is very obvious you have not done
your research into Marilyn nor the Hesters,
other than what you say you have in regards to the photos, sorry Bill but they are only a part
of it all..
From "Six Seconds in Dallas" (pg259)
The Hesters both stated they heard 2 shots, with no bunching.
Charles also said the source direction of the shots were,
quote on
"Immediately behind us and over our heads."
quote off
Beatrice states..
quote on
"Thinks she and husband were in the direct line of fire."
quote off
Additional deposition info about them can be found in Decker 5323, 19H478,
22H841, 24H523
Photo from Jack..
B..
-
Measurements of the pedestal....
B..
-
....She was taller than Zapruder, and it is said she had on high heels, no woman is going to wear high heels and climb on that pedestal, ask one,
and none are going to run down the grassy slope after and across the street as she says, after,when she looked around and saw that she was alone,
and left standing on the pedestal alone and Zapruder had gone, disappeared.....these are things she says, not me...
with heels on, they would stick into the grass, and she would
any woman, go flying and break her ruddy neck, just ask ask one....
I am not going to waste too much time on this for one's interpretation of the evidence is only as reliable as one's ability to follow it. However, Sitzman did wear her high heels and is caught in several photos or flim captures wearing them. Going from memory here ... open the first few pages of Groden's book "TKOAP" and he shows a small crop of Sitzman wearing those high heels, so to take the position that no woman wears them on slopes or pedestals is simply not accurate. In fact, there are post assassination photos showing women all over the knoll in high heels.
The Paschall film shows Zapruder hopping off the pedestal after Sitzman dismounted it. Altgens 8 shows both of them together at that moment and Sitzman is taller because of her wearing those heels. The Bell film as I recall shows Zapruder walking away from Sitzman as she is standing at the pedestal. If Sitzman said that Abe walked away as she tood on the pedestal, then she misspoke or the interviewer heard it incorrectly.
***********************************************
As Usual Bill Miller in his typical, kind, pleasant condescending attitude..post ...states that
""I am not going to waste too much time on this for one's interpretation
of the evidence is only as reliable as one's ability to follow it.""
To which I agree in spades...Where's yours?? in regards to Marilyn Sitzman...and why is it, that your interpretation is, in your opinion the only....??
There are no clear photos of Marilyn Sitzman on the pedestal wearing high heels, that you assume she had on, there are no clear photos of her on the pedestal, period...and neither are there in the Trask's book, that I have come upon.....that you say are there...??.and seeing that I do not think you have ever worn high heels, you would not know anything about running up and down knolls and or grassy hills, or on grass, for that matter, wearing such ,so do not try to tell a woman, who did wear them for many years, about them...... you are assuming again......and in error..
I did not say there were No women ,Not wearing high heels, on the knoll area, we all wore them back then..we wrecked our feet, but we wore them.....and also we wore flats...
I said no woman with high heels on, would run up or down a grassy knoll hill with such on their feet, as the heels would stick into the grass, especially running down...and that is something you would not know about......if you are going to imply what I said and or did not say, make sure you are correct and not simply inserting your suppositions..again.
.No one knows if she wore such on the pedestal, positively, as no clear photo exists that she is or did......Did it ever occur to you or any man, within the research world, that she especially in a straight skirt, climbing up on a pedestal ,would have slipped them off....IF she was wearing them..which is questionable.......But.... there is a BIG IF about it, as there is seen in Trasks, which you refer to, and others do own... a photo of her at the corner of Houston and Main, it appears that the shoe on her left foot, which is on the sidewalk, as she takes a step with her right, does Not have a High Heel...it appears to be what we called a flat....so from this crop of Trask's photo, lightened, it appears that she was wearing flats......it is not a positive as yet, but that is the way it appears to me right now....I will attach and please, all, have a look at her left foot....
On the MWKK.......as far as the Zapruder film is concerned.......Marilyn says.... Quote
" He started filming about .....oh....just before they came around the corner......and then we heard what to me sounded like two firecrackers...it was starting to get a little confusing because you could see things happening in the car..." and on.....So she does in her own Quotable words, state that he did start to film the motorcade as they just started to turn the corner....so where is the film showing it.?? That is another question ..
On the video "Image of an Assassination: Another Look at the Zapruder Film " Marilyn says.
"when they started making their first turn, turning into the street, he said, o.k. here we go, or something to that effect "..so again where is the rest of the film...??
Not only did she, Not mispeak, Nor was she Quoted incorrectly.....Nor was she Misquoted by the interviewer, there are enough who have done that for her.... since day one.
She is also quoted by Life in an article ,see below.."Mr.Z was gone"..So she not only speaks for herself on the TMWKK, and then also on Image of an Assassination,
.but also on a tape to her Doctor under hypnosis.....in which, she states under hypnosis, that she is left alone, and Zapruder has gone....he has gotten down.. ""My boss is gone I looked around he's gone., he's gone""....and she is scared.......etc....
She speaks of being left standing on the pedestal, alone, by Zapruder, of him being gone, and not seeing him again,( until she gets back to the office) that she was looking in the direction of the underpass, and when she
turned, he was gone, and she was left standing there by herself...she looked around, and saw all the people....She then mentions about getting down, and going down the hill to the other side of the street, where she spoke to
whom she thinks were FBI men....
She leaves and the men follow her back to Mr.Zs office and she was afraid, they continued to follow her into the waiting area, of the office, they wanted to see Mr.Zapruder but he wouldn't see them, he was in his office...she mentions she is still afraid....
By all this she has made it very clear that she was left by Zapruder alone.
Marilyn had these several contacts with others about what occurred on the pedestal, and she was well aware of where she was, and what did and did not take place..so it does seem not logical to think that Marilyn did not comprehend.
Also,I did not state that Zapruder did not hop down off the pedestal..did I.?? another supposition on your part, so stop deliberately trying to misqote people, it does not work..
Marilyn was dying of Cancer when she gave this statement on the taped interview, to her Doctor, she died three months later...on August 11, 1993. .....so stop trying to impose the what you think she wore, said and did, you are trying to use her to your own ends, within your own research..
Her story does not comply with Zapruder's, his does not with hers, the Hesters story does not comply with
either..seems to me that someone is very interested in Marilyn and trying to manipulate what she has stated
in the past....or perhaps all of them, what little they did express that is...which in some cases may have been disgarded....which imo may not be abe to be..straighten out, it has been muddled up to that extent.....there are no pat answers...neither yours nor anyones....yours is simply your opinion and in some areas, no better nor worse than anyone elses.....no matter
whose given information you follow within the area of the Pergola, or whom you may talk to,
as you well know, none gives the others any backup....they all differ.
Some day when I have all the information related to Marilyn finally all together, I shall make it available, till then...
If you do know something and have done studies within the Marilyn Sitzman subject, then I would appreciate hearing it , so that I may add it to the information I have acquired, pertaining to the Sitzman issues.
If not......As you seem to enjoy so often, saying to other members, I will now tell you the same thing...as far as Marilyn Sitzman is concerned ....
Bill Miller....Do Your Own Research....
B..
-
Study of the heights...by Jack....
B..
-
Chris:
the Zapruder waltz, by Jack...
Below...B
-
Hi Chris:
Yes I have seen the research in the past done on the Zapruder and Marilyn and the pedestal....and try to stay up to date,
and how in some it shows
he is not facing or appears not to be towards the limo, for filming...I am still searching, after all these years.
I know it is the quality of the photos.....they all turned out badly..when it comes to the
pedestal area....it seems..
....She was taller than Zapruder, and it is said she had on high heels, no woman is going to wear high heels and climb on that pedestal, ask one,
and none are going to run down the grassy slope after and across the street as she says, after,when she looked around and saw that she was alone,
and left standing on the pedestal alone and Zapruder had gone, disappeared.....these are things she says, not me...
with heels on, they would stick into the grass, and she would
any woman, go flying and break her ruddy neck, just ask ask one....
Some say Zapruder is leaning down his knees are
bent in such as the Bronson, well if so, then the top of her shoulders and head should be seen, in the birght sunlight, and the top of her
dress should show
as a light beige but it does not. As she was supposedly it is said standing holding onto him..? She would not be bent over him.
When looking for Zapruder and Sitzman, in a clear photo, that you can absolutely make them out in, well I just
have never seen it yet..
I realise the photographers were not professional, well many were not, but some were...
But as you mentioned .....and it has been said many times before, every camera that day, that zeroed in on the pedestal area,and
many on the motorcade itself, was
either, loaded with the wrong film type, the shadows were too dark, the sun too bright, they jiggled the camera, they forgot to
click, whatever, none exist..not that I have seen so far...
But we continue, maybe some day...the one problem is Marilyn's recall, her story changed, and to me now, after years of
studying her, hers is confused...she says one thing to Mr.Thompson in that statement, another on TMWKK, another
to Life magazine, and yet those that will use her to prove their point, never mention that fact...she is seen as mentioned in the pre-
film clip in the Zapruder fim he took, but when it is also studied, she turns and it appears there is a handbag strap and purse hanging
on her left arm, but when
she turns completely around, no purse....She is shown in a lately released photo, at Elm and Houston, and her foot is seen, but to me
she appears to have her foot bent, and the heel of the shoe is not seen clearly..as it is all in shadow also..? You cannot make the heel
out clearly..
The Hester's were looked up...as even
their statements given to the authorities do not comply with each others, two did try to find them, but Charles died in 67, she remarried,
and moved and when
they went looking they could not find her..so...that was also a dead end, it is imo not fair to say, people have not nor tried, to find
the witnesses and talk to them...Many did but too many doors were closed, too many scared perhaps, too many names not known,too many
not found..but some did try..
Most seem to believe in some such as say ,Gordon Arnold, and that is fine, that is their perogative, their studies their research.but that does not give them
the right to try to tell others what they should or should not do ,nor believe, and I will not do so...I could go on about Marilyn, but will end it here
for now..
If interested, anyone, in what the Hesters did and did not say, or Marilyn, then go to search and the books and start digging, as well as the videos
it is there..confusing but there..
I Am still searching..below is one of Marilyn taken at the 93 Symposium in Dallas.
Thanks ,Chris for your work, please carry on, and continue your own fine research....
B.
-
Hi Allan:
I did send the photo and showed it to Jack first, as I thought it may be his, he said he was not sure....but that it was a very
good image...so that is the why I posted such.
It certainly would a pleasure to go through such a library...
As always take care.
B
-
Some questions, please....
When I look at the Bronson frame..this is what I do not see...her high heel shoes, nor any shoes on her feet..?
Shouldn't they be seen..?.or if high heels at least the heels..?
Marilyn's right leg, has no foot, and appears to be as thick as a tree trunk at the bottom.?
I do not see her light beige dress that she was wearing, and if that is her right leg and foot then shouldn't a part
of her beige dress be seen, and not in say all shadows.? She was a big girl, and I cannot see her being completely
hidden by Mr.Zapruder..possible but ??
Bill is it possible for you to post that photo from the Pascal film you mention, the one that shows Marilyn climbing down
from the pedestal..??
Thanks.
B
-
Hi Alan:
Hope all is well...Here you go...
B..
-
In this one it appears there is no bunch?????
They did not need a bunching, to move anything....
B..
-
The question on Jada and the accident was asked and answered last year in the Ruby Timeline thread in the seminars section.
Answer reposted here:
A Dallas Police memo dated Nov 28 was made of the incident.
On Wednesday, November 27th, Mr Bill Walsh, Personnel Director of Texas Instruments called and gave the following information:
On Friday, November 22nd at about 10:45 am one of their employees, Charles Burns ran across Atwell St to the entrance of Texas Instruments and was struck by a white Cadillac, Louisiana licence number 941985. Mr Burns was not injured sufficiently to call the police but the driver of the Cadillac, a woman who gave the name of Conforto or Comforto came to the office to use the telephone to call an unknown man who arrived in a few minutes to take Mr Burns to a doctor for examination. The woman driver of the car gave the impression of being in show business and stated to the man who came to get her, "Let's hurry up and get this over with, I have to get to New Orleans".
It is unknown whether this incident has any significance in the Oswald case.
Chas Batchelor
Assistant Chief of Police
Jada was not interviewed by the FBI until April 12th, 1964. That report (CE 1561) runs for six and half pages and does not mention this incident. All it does is create more question marks. It states, for instance: that as at late October, she had her three and a half year old son with her in Dallas. What happened to him, as there is no mention of a toddler with her at the accident scene? Who was the man she called from the Texas Intruments office to come and collect her and Burns?
**************** This Janet Confortos statement to the FBI is dated Dec.5/63...
and it also mentions that her son, was with her ex-sister in law....may help with your info...
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/w...H23_CE_1561.pdf
B...
*****************
It also has this in regard to going to New Orleans:
Conforto, on November 25, 1963 was driving to New Orleans, Louisiana, and was about 100 miles outside of Dallas, Texas when she heard over the radio that Ruby had killed Lee Harvey Oswald. She became so upset that she returned to Dallas and then decided to come to New York.
If this is true, she obviously did not resume her trip on the morning of the 22nd. But would it have been humanly possible not to hear about the Oswald shooting until the day after it happened? I guess so, but how likely? Also, returning to Dallas after hearing that news, if true, tends to negate any notion she was fleeing on the 22nd through fear of what she knew was about to happen - unless that fear was only in regard to Ruby.
Just thinking out loud here... if going to NO from Dallas, would you need to go down Atwood? I have no idea what the answer is, but if that is not the way you'd go, why was she taking that detour? Burns was not seriously injured, which makes me think she was not exactly speeding. Pulling out from the curb, perhaps, after visiting someone in Texas Instruments?
________________
The doc re the car being stolen in Californmia is in DPD archives folder 1 box 8 item 38. Repoduced below:
THIS IS LSP BR GA PLS
9248 TWX 214-899-8553 1712 11-29-63
LSG BR
DATA AND STLEN LA LIC 914-985
PLS CALL COLLECT OUR TWX
PD DALLAS HENRY ACK PLS GA
LSP BR REC GUARISCO
I can decipher some of this, but not all...
GA = Georgia
LA-Los Angeles
PLS=please
TWX=Texas West Exchange?
ACK=Acknowlwdge
GUARISCO= A surname
Any help on the rest is appreciated.
Also some questions. Why was Georgia in this loop? What was the problem anyway? The car was registered in Louisiana with license plate 914-985. So what if a Californian registered car with with the same numbers was stolen? Who is Guarisco?
_________________________________
I think it's also instructive to compare what's in the records with what John Armstrong wrote (assuming accurate transcription here i this thread from his book):
Time of accident:
DPD doc: 10:45am
Armstrong: Shortly after 12:00
Place:
DPD doc: Atwell St
Armstrong: Lemmon Ave
Injured Party:
DPD doc: Burns
Armstrong: Burnes
Company Burns/Burnes worked for:
DPD doc: Texas Instruments
Armstrong: Texas Estimates
Jada's phone call:
DPD doc: Made from the office of Texas Instruments for the purpose of arranging a lift to a medical clinic for Burns who did not appear seriously injured.
Armstrong:Call was made by Jada from clinic for her to be picked up
What Jada said before going to clinic with Burns:
DPD doc: Gave impression she was in show business
Armstrong: Told Security staff she worked at Carousel and that it would be closed that night
Who did Jada tell she was "in a hurry"?:
DPD doc: told man who arrived to take her and Burns to a doctor, "Let's hurry up and get this over with, I have to get to New Orleans".
Armstrong: Told "Texas Estimates" security staff "she was in a hurry to get to New Orleans.
Someone is telling porkies. Armstrong's flagrant misrepresentation of other evidence (eg NY school records) doesn't inspire much confidence that he's not the porker, but DPD isn't exactly a place renowned as a bastion of honesty, either.
-
Here are a few...
The one in the shirt was taken in Florida, Nov.15/63
B
-
Hi Mark:
He did a few times during the motorcade, when the crowds became too heavy, close and pressing.
He was the only one, who did so that day....
There was no crack to the windshield until after the assassination..
B..
-
I have no idea if this is the Willis 5 you are looking for, but I have been told it is a very good copy.
Whatever, if it may hep..
B
-
I guess none of you know, but Shari Angel died last year......for your information.......
June 21/05..
B..
"Ruby stripper Shari Angel passes away"
Former Jack Ruby Carousel dancer Shari Angel, "The Heavenly Body",
passed away on Tuesday, June 21. Shari, whose real name was Bobbie Lou
Meserole, had been diagnosed with cancer of most of her major organs a
few months back. She spent several weeks under Hospice care, and the end
came last week.
Many of us remember Shari, as she lived here in Dallas and attended many
of the Lancer conferences.
From Jerry Dealey..at the time...
The Obit from the Dallas Morning News of Thursday, June 23 follows:
Bobbie Louise Meserole MESEROLE, , BOBBIE LOUISE IN LOVING MEMORY Born
January 19, 1934 and passed away on June 21, 2005. Survived by Husband
Hunter Paul Meserole, Son: Johnny Douglas Shumake, Daughters: Paula
Meserole Garner, Grandson Trevor Garner, Brothers, Sisters, Uncles,
Aunts and 2 Grandchildren. Service Graveside Friday June 24, 2005 @
10:00 A.M. in the Grove Hill Memorial Park. Family will receive friends
Thursday June 23, 2005 From 6 to 8 P.M. at the Funeral Home. Troy Suggs
Funeral Home 214-381-1109
-
Hi Thomas:
You may be interested to see this photo, taken a few years ago of Larry Florer with Howard K.Davis...
B..
That is Ed Kolby on the left and Howard K. Davis on the right.
James
*********************
Hi James:
Am trying to track it down as this is how they were id in the photo....??
I do have this one where you were questionong the comparison bewteen Florer and Kolby...
Is there a positive ID for the photo I posted, in a book or such ??
Hope all are well.....Thanks B..
Bernice,
I originally did that comparison with Florer and Kolby. In subsequent conversations with Kolby, he told me that it was not him and I believe him.
I also originally posted that recent image of Kolby and Davis. This was taken on a trip they did into the Florida Keys a few years ago.
Cheers,
James
****************
Thanks James,
I did not recently obtain this photo......it has been in a folder for quite some time, but like I say ??
I will try to find out, and if so will contact you...
Take care.....B
-
Hi Thomas:
You may be interested to see this photo, taken a few years ago of Larry Florer with Howard K.Davis...
B..
That is Ed Kolby on the left and Howard K. Davis on the right.
James
*********************
Hi James:
Am trying to track it down as this is how they were id in the photo....??
I do have this one where you were questionong the comparison bewteen Florer and Kolby...
Is there a positive ID for the photo I posted, in a book or such ??
Hope all are well.....Thanks B..
-
Hi Thomas:
You may be interested to see this photo, taken a few years ago of Larry Florer with Howard K.Davis...
B..
Below you will find the one Robin posted....and the other posted by a member
Wiegman in Progress
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore
******************
Bill:
Sorry you do not remember and cannot find the crop, that seems to be par...but I do know they do disappear on you.....
When you do find it post such,thank you, as well as all you have mentioned and spoken of...
I have all the copies of the photo crops, of Marilyn at the corner of Houston & Elm, from all three forums, do not try to tell me that the two I have posted were not from such, the third was the same as
posted, and by the same man, and is the same crop....they are the smaller of the two.....the only difference is the one is enlarged...you can compare when you finally
find yours, and it will be the same as one or the other.....unless you decide to do your own.
Altgens also denied taking what you call the Altgens 8....
The Willis 15 which I posted was sent to me....by a photographer ..no not Jack, nor anyone on here.....I notice you choose to ignore such.
Whether she was wearing, flats or a type of wedge heel, which would, I think may have given her the ability to perhaps run down the knoll..after she
was left alone and Zapruder had descended and gone, in her own words, which she repeated several times........they
were not as you seem to call them High Heels...they may have been a one inch wedge type,.....but not High Heels...imo
until I am shown them clearly, this is what I believe she wore, if not then I will see for myself...no woman would dare run up and down a grassy knoll with highs on..
I have been searching the photos, and as I have posted there are and were women at the knoll with heels on, you did mention I do believe ,you saw some running on the knoll in them, if so, please post those also, thanks...but I have been unable to find one, running in high heels, flats yes, but the others no......not so far, if I do find one, I will post such...if you have them please do....
You keep mentioning good copies of such and such but you do not come through with them?? If you do have all these, why do you not share?, it is show and tell time, I do think, after all this. If you perhaps have not access to them or cannot find some at the present time, and that does happen with one or two at times, it does not happen with all that you have mentioned.
If you contacted Gary Mack would he not supply copies to you, as he has in the past.....after all that is what the Museum about, information and education for the public...and they do support it, many here have..
*******************
For all...a question, thanks....
Abraham was said to be about 5.10"..by his son, I have also found 5'.9"..and also by others that he was shorter...He also called himself a short man.
For all...a question, thanks....
How much difference in all these studies ,if he was that much shorter and Marilyn was as tall as say close to 6'....and she did not have high heels on as well, but a flat or a one inch or so heel, would it make..?..
and how much difference within the studies ,if he did Not have on his fedora.....yes
Marilyn has also stated that in her Doctors tape, that he was not wearing his hat.
She stood behind him and she was looking at the top of his head, and he did not
have much hair up there...she states..
I would appreciate any thoughts and or info, in relation to this question if possible, again thanks..
B..