Bernice Moore

quote name='Bill Miller' date='Jan 29 2007, 10:44 PM' post='91623'] Bernice, I was kind enough to point out Sitzman's purse to you in each of the three photos below, so how about you being kind enough to post the larger image with the two white arrows on it - one pointing to Sitzman. And do it without cropping over her shoes! I would love to see those flats you said she wore.Bill ****************** Bill: Excuse me, the photo with the inserts, was not my work, someone posted it on the web....as it appeared.....I do not know whom at present, but thank them.. But I have found the same photo, without their inserts...Bill, there was no need to post any other photos of Marilyn with a purse, we are very aware she had one.. that appears to disappear within Zapruders pre-assassination film... As I also was kind enough to previously post photos of her having such..that was and is a given.. As you well know, as you do seem to remind us so often, about what photos are within the Trask books, and what they show....when I saw the photo in Trask's book, there is a motorcycle in front of her, and you cannot see her shoes..... But in looking at the photo with the inserts that someone had provided, that I did post, previously, the top front of the motorcycle screen could be seen . showing on the left....but I am sure seeing that you have all of Trasks books,and which in fact others do have as well, you are fully aware of that fact...but chose not to mention that information in your post.. I was out of photo attachment space, and have adjusted all, to provide what you want, that you already have.... but seem to need, the view of the motorcycle hiding her shoes, that you do have at present in your copy of the Trask book.. Now about the Gif..the subject of my previous post.. Peoples please watch Marilyn Sitzmans left arm. Her purse disappears from her left arm as she turns full front, they have deleted, or somehow, lost Marilyns purse from this clip of the Zapruder film... ?? The clip of the Zapruder's film that he took of Marilyn and the Hesters, previous to the motorcade arriving as he was just trying out his camera.. The frame below showing the three, Beatrice, Marilyn and Chares Hester, is from the pre-assassination Zapruder fim. B

Hi Duncan: Not that I am aware of, and have been on the lookout for a long time. If and when I do, and I hope also that anyone else who does come across such, shall post it for all. It is strange than none it seems are available, not even from Gary Mack.....imo.. B

Todays mystery: The assassination occurred on 11/22/63 ... what year was it that Jack started seeing a waltzing Sitzman and how many strokes did he have to get to that point? Bill, Perhaps this will refresh everyone's memory of what Sitzman was wearing that day. That lady on the wall isn't Sitzman. chris &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& It's even worse than that, the Lady has lost her purse, it was taken away from her somewhere along the film..now that is a disaster..........?????????? B

********************* Abraham Zapruder Camera Bell & Howell 414PD - Director Series Overview and User's Manual http://www.copweb.be/Zapruder%20Camera.htm Marcel's site, you can read all the intructions, just click and open, all found at the bottom of the page...... B

If it was posted on Lancer, then it is par for the course for their archives is full of lost images. I am in the process of moving and most of my materials are boxed up and in storage. I will eventually find the photo and post it. I don't bet on anything unless I know what the next card is ... that you can bet on.Bernice: If you are in the midst of a move, then I do understand, perhaps you should have mentioned this before, thanks for clearing this up now, and do still hope that you will be able to post such for us, some time when you are settled..perhaps I shall remind you... I think more accurately that Altgens couldn't recall taking that photo for his photos were taken from him and rushed to be developed. However, as I believe "Pictures of the Pain" shows ... Number 8 followed number 7 on Altgens roll of film, thus he damned sure took the photo. I also noticed that when I downloaded the Paschall film from the Internet - Zapruder hopping off the pedestal is observable and when he hit the ground he kept right on walking East and Sitzman turns towards the shelter.Bernice: All I do know from reading his the Altgens information, is that he has said that after the photo taken of them going towards the underpass, showing Hill on the back of X100. He did not take another?? The Pascal that I have seen and tried to study available on the internet ,has been a disappointment, a poor copy and not complete..Could you provide wher on the web, you did copy if from, thanks. Sitzman is more than an inch taller than Zapruder, thus her heels made her that way ... one can guess as to how many inches were needed on her heels to accomplish this. Like I said before, her stance in the Betzner photo shows her to have her arches elevated. The image Mark posted of her on the concrete also shows those heels at work. Her height against Zapruder is also telling. And if you can find someone with access to Trask book "That Day in Dallas" - there will be a few clear photos showing women on the knoll who were indeed wearing high heels ... I guess they didn't think like you. Many women were office workers and dressed as such. They left for the plaza to see the President in what ever shoes they had on at work. The photos show this regardless of what you say.Bernice: No Sitzman was as tall or taller than Zapruder,in her stocking feet, if he was as said 5' 11', but then why would he call himself a short man ??? to begin with. As I have mentioned previously, I have also spoken to people who met her, and she was a very tall big girl..... If she had on heels she would have then been that many more inches taller than he, on the pedestal.. such as if they were two to three inch heels, that would make her that much talller..... I have Trasks books, I have mentioned that before, and also, that I have found women in the photos wearing high heels in the plaza, but that I had not found any running on the grass, but Mark has posted one, I believe she is running across the road.. That's correct we worked in offices , banks wherever, and we wore high heels every day, as I have also mentioned previously....I have never said there were No women wearing high heels, I said there Were many......again you try to twist my words, it does not word... It happens when you are in the middle of a move. I have also posted those images in the past when discussing this issue. Bernice: See reply above...I guess Gary would not comply and extend his graciousness in supplying some, I take it...? ********************************* Mark; Thank you, you have found one, running.....across the road I believe....I had not as yet...have been trying to find the time, to stick at it.. ..appreciated....I continue to try to find any running on the grass and exactly what she was wearing on her tootsies... *********************** Jack: If her daugher and son said about the same 5'11".....then that should be enough, the only but I have is that he called himself a short man...and 5'11" I do not consider short.....I will continue the search..on all. Thank you.... and Thank you all for your input... **************** No one, no thoughts about his not wearing his fedora ? B

*************************** "Miller" and Lamson CUT THE CRAP and quit wasting our time with ignorant nonsense. This shows the sun to be in the SOUTHEAST.. Jack

The photo crop you posted is not of good quality and surely not the one that I remember being posted before which brought the Sitzman not wearing heels nonsense to a dead stop. It was either on this forum or Lancer's that someone posted a good capture of the same crop ... I have been looking for it with no success so far. It is the Paschall film that shows Zapruder hopping off of the pedestal and starting to walk away. The Bell film shows Zapruder walking away from Sitzman. Altgens 8 shows Sitzman and Zapruder just as Abe had gotten off the pedestal. (see below) So here is what happens when you cross reference the films ... Groden's copy is very dark, but Mark Oakes has a copy of Paschall's film made directly from the original. In the good copy - Sitzman is already standing next to the pedestal as Zapruder hops off and immediately starts walking away. Altgens takes his photo #8 just as Zapruder hit the ground and before Abe starts walking away ... his right foot is in the process of taking his first step. The Bell film picks up as Zapruder is walking away from Sitzman. Also, look at Altgens #8 and note how tall Sitzman is compared to Zapruder. The Wiegman frames showing Sitzman's legs is on the high resolution scans at the Museum. I do not have access to those scans, but have sat in the basement at the 6th Floor with Gary Mack and viewed them. Anyone can make an appointment and go see them if they like - its free! ****************** Bill: Sorry you do not remember and cannot find the crop, that seems to be par...but I do know they do disappear on you..... When you do find it post such,thank you, as well as all you have mentioned and spoken of... I have all the copies of the photo crops, of Marilyn at the corner of Houston & Elm, from all three forums, do not try to tell me that the two I have posted were not from such, the third was the same as posted, and by the same man, and is the same crop....they are the smaller of the two.....the only difference is the one is enlarged...you can compare when you finally find yours, and it will be the same as one or the other.....unless you decide to do your own. Altgens also denied taking what you call the Altgens 8.... The Willis 15 which I posted was sent to me....by a photographer ..no not Jack, nor anyone on here.....I notice you choose to ignore such. Whether she was wearing, flats or a type of wedge heel, which would, I think may have given her the ability to perhaps run down the knoll..after she was left alone and Zapruder had descended and gone, in her own words, which she repeated several times........they were not as you seem to call them High Heels...they may have been a one inch wedge type,.....but not High Heels...imo until I am shown them clearly, this is what I believe she wore, if not then I will see for myself...no woman would dare run up and down a grassy knoll with highs on.. I have been searching the photos, and as I have posted there are and were women at the knoll with heels on, you did mention I do believe ,you saw some running on the knoll in them, if so, please post those also, thanks...but I have been unable to find one, running in high heels, flats yes, but the others no......not so far, if I do find one, I will post such...if you have them please do.... You keep mentioning good copies of such and such but you do not come through with them?? If you do have all these, why do you not share?, it is show and tell time, I do think, after all this. If you perhaps have not access to them or cannot find some at the present time, and that does happen with one or two at times, it does not happen with all that you have mentioned. If you contacted Gary Mack would he not supply copies to you, as he has in the past.....after all that is what the Museum about, information and education for the public...and they do support it, many here have.. ******************* For all...a question, thanks.... Abraham was said to be about 5.10"..by his son, I have also found 5'.9"..and also by others that he was shorter...He also called himself a short man. For all...a question, thanks.... How much difference in all these studies ,if he was that much shorter and Marilyn was as tall as say close to 6'....and she did not have high heels on as well, but a flat or a one inch or so heel, would it make..?.. and how much difference within the studies ,if he did Not have on his fedora.....yes Marilyn has also stated that in her Doctors tape, that he was not wearing his hat. She stood behind him and she was looking at the top of his head, and he did not have much hair up there...she states.. I would appreciate any thoughts and or info, in relation to this question if possible, again thanks.. B..

Duncan, thanks for supplying us with an alternative view and supporting photos. When I get home, I'll study it more in depth. chris Duncan is ignoring the Wiegman frame which SHOWS NOBODY ON THE PEDESTAL, not the dancing couple nor Z/S. All of this ignores the basic issue. The pedestal was in bright sunlight. Z/S should photograph as well as in other photos, but they do not. I am not really interested in the dancing couple. I want to know why Z/S are not on the pedestal. Jack Good grief...Zap and Sitz were BACKLIT in Weigman. How ignorant! It was noon in November. In Dallas Texas the sun was IN THE SOUTH. The people on the pedestal were FACING SOUTH. Shadows of the pedestal fall to the NORTH (strangely, the people on the pedestal CAST NO SHADOW). Wiegman's camera is POINTING WEST toward the pedestal. The sun is to Wiegman's left. There is no way in hell that the people on the pedestal are BACKLIGHTED. And Lamson calls himself "Mr. Light". Jack Thanks for proving my point, they were BACKLIT! Weigmans camera was pointed almost DIRECTLY into the sun. And to think Jack calls himself a photographer! HOW IGNORANT! WIEGMAN'S CAMERA WAS POINTING WEST. AT NOON THE SUN WAS IN THE SOUTH! Any photographer who knows lighting knows that is called SIDELIGHTING! What crap! Jack ***************** Photo posted for Jack..... B

******************* Hi Michael: You may be interested in the following for your own information..... A thread where Doug posted his latest work.... Cover-Up of the Medical Evidence http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ug+Horne+report And the... HSCA Report, Volume V! ..Recovered Bullet During JFK Autopsy......on the Sibert and O'Neil Report http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=308 B..

Here is the Willis 15, from the corner of Elm and Houston Sts..showing Marilyn at the far left.....note her Left foot, and shoe not in shadows.... a flat... B

Your welcome Jack, and why ? as many have mentioned, something was fixed, when not broken is beyond me, and as has been also mentioned, by others it is getting slower and more difficut to post with and without attachments.. at times. B..

In this still of Sitzman, she looks like she's either standing on her tiptoes or is wearing high heels. Mark - you are wasting your time with people like Bernice. She should have seen the elevated arches of Sitzman in the Betzner photo, but couldn't. She then posted a poor resolution image of Sitzman near the corner of the TSBD in such a way that she washed out a good amount of detail showing Sitzman in her high heels. Yes - Jack has taught her well! When I get time I will search the good scan that I believe that Robin once posted of the same picture from Trask book "Pictures of the Pain". Then she can claim the photos were altered to hide Sitzman's flats. Bill ___________ Mark : Thanks for the photo......but I do not see any shoes, and certainly not clearly, imo...B ****************** Bill: Not excusing as usual your ill-mannered remarks, which no, BTW, Jack has not taught me, whenever would he have the time is beyond me..... But BTW that is from Robin's post, which I believe he may have gotten from a member that posted such on another forum, perhaps.. Or that he scanned himself, I am not sure, as he never did say, but no matter, here are both. I do not claim photos are as you say, I do say some are very indistinguishable, and blurry, cloudy and are not what the photographer recalls such as Altgens, and some films having been cut as Nix stated, and there are many questions surrounding them and the films.... and there is a possibility that some have..been manipulated. AS I Stated all I did was lighten it up a little more, there you go again.....twisiting peoples words, which as I have mentioned before you are simply not very good at doing so......But great at screaming about such when someone does not quote you properly.....you cannot have it both ways Bull.. Her LEFT foot is still on the sidewalk...have a look..with no high heel......she surely was not wearing one right shoe with a high heel and one left shoe without...you are silly... Below you will find the one Robin posted....and the other posted by a member on another forum..neither touched....as they were.. Please go ahead, and post not only this one, but also Sitzman getting off the pedestal, and Zapruder as well, that you do keep mentioning but as yet, have not posted...show the Beef Bill......?? B

What's nonsense, Jack? I can see Hester quite easily in Groden's enlargement ... if you have a better one, then it will only show you to be more in error than Groden's copy does. This claim of yours is very similar to the "gap" that you said Thompson invented in his drum scan while knowing damned well that every copy before that time showed the same gap. Please feel free to scan your copy of the Bronson slide and email it to me or someone else and we will be happy to post it for you. If you want to post that image yourself, then go back and start deleting old images (espeically ones where you were shown to be in error like in the white woman being black claim or the sex change claim you made concerning the Zapruder film). Once you have done this, then you have then made available space to post more images. Bill "Miller" does not read well. I have said numerous times that I can no longer post images because of the forum's new software, which discriminates against Macintosh. It supports only OSX or higher. My ten-year old computer uses OS9.2, which is sufficient for all my needs except this forum. I have said this in at least half a dozen posts, but "Miller" is devoid of comprehending the written word. Jack **************************** If Jack could post his own photos, he certainly would be....enough of that crap...... Here's your photo Jack.......... B..

VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86 SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Charles Hester, Address 2616 Keyhole, Irving Age 28 , Phone No. None Deposes and says: My wife, Beatrice and I were sitting on the grass on the slope on Elm Street where the park is located. When President Kennedy's car got almost down to the underpass, I heard two shots ring out. Thye [sic] sounded like they came from immediately behind us and over our heads. We did [not?] see the shooting. I immediately turned and looked at the Texas Book Depository building and did not see anyone. The shots sounded like the [sic] definitely came from in or around the building. I grabbed my wife because I didn't know where the next shot was coming from and dragged her up next to the concrete imbankment [sic] and threw her down on the ground and got on the ground with her. Then there was utter confusion. The Police rushed toward the railroad tracks and I finally found an officer to go to the Texas Book Depository Building. The officer I contacted was Officer Wiseman [sic: Weitzman] of the Dallas Sheriff's Department. /s/ Charles Hester Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963 /s/ Aleen Davis Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 11/25/63 CHARLES HESTER, 2610 Mayhold Street, furnished the following information: At approximately 12:30 p.m., November 22, 1963, HESTER and his wife, BEATRICE, were standing along the street at the point immediately preceeding the underpass on Elm Street where President JOHN F. KENNEDY was shot. HESTER stated he saw the President slump in the seat of the car and that he heard two shots fired drom what appeared to be a building located on the corner of Elm Street and Houston Street. He Stated he and his wife were almost in a direct line of the fire and he immediately grabbed his wife and shoved her to the ground. He stated hethereafter immediately escorted his wife across to the north side of the street on an embankment in an attempt to gain shelter. HESTER stated he did not see anyone with a gun at the time the shots were fired and that after the President's car had pulled away from the scene and officers started toward the aforementioned building, he and his wife proceeded to their car and left the area. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- on 11/24/63 at Irving, Texas File # DL 89-43 By Special Agent DOYLE WILLIAMS and HENRY J. OLIVER Date Dictated 11/25/63 FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date November 25, 1963 Mrs. CHARLES HESTER, 2619 Keyhole Street, Irving, Texas, advised that sometime around 12:30 p.m., on November 22, 1963, she and her husband were standing along the street at a place immediately preceding the underpass on Elm Street, where President KENNEDY was shot. Mrs. HESTER advised she heard two loud noises which sounded like gunshots, and she saw president KENNEDY slump in the seat of the car he was riding in. Her husband then grabbed her and shoved her to the ground. Shortly thereafter they went across to the north side of the street on an embankment in an attempt to gain shelter. She stated that she believes she and her husband actually had been in the direct line of fire. She did not see anyone with a gun when the shots were fired and stated she could not furnish any information as to exactly where the shots came from. After the President's car had pulled away from the scene. she and her husband proceeded to their car and left the scene as she was very upset. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- on 11/24/63 at Irving, Texas File # DL 89-43 By Special Agent J. DOYLE WILLIAMS and HENRY J. OLIVER Date Dictated 11/25/63 "Miller" is so dumb he does not even recognize that the Hester statements CONFLICT with each other and with EXTANT PHOTOS WHICH TELL A DIFFERENT STORY. In Willis 5, for instance, Beatrice is seen standing and waving AT THE SOUTH END OF THE PERGOLA, and husband CHARLES IS SITING ON THE BENCH READING A NEWSPAPER, not even looking at the motorcade. This is also seen in other photos. So what do we believe...the photos or their sworn statements? If "Miller" says we should believe the affidavits, he is admitting the photos are faked. If he says the photos are accurate, then he is saying the Hesters lied under oath. Give it up, "Miller"...you can't win. Jack ********************************** I came to post the separate errors in Charles statements......but I see Miller has done so for me.. ..but thanks Bill.... I see no need now to reply to your tirade to my post above, as you have not said anything...and apparenty you cannot read straight nor comprehend......and it is very obvious you have not done your research into Marilyn nor the Hesters, other than what you say you have in regards to the photos, sorry Bill but they are only a part of it all.. From "Six Seconds in Dallas" (pg259) The Hesters both stated they heard 2 shots, with no bunching. Charles also said the source direction of the shots were, quote on "Immediately behind us and over our heads." quote off Beatrice states.. quote on "Thinks she and husband were in the direct line of fire." quote off Additional deposition info about them can be found in Decker 5323, 19H478, 22H841, 24H523 Photo from Jack.. B..

Measurements of the pedestal.... B..

I am not going to waste too much time on this for one's interpretation of the evidence is only as reliable as one's ability to follow it. However, Sitzman did wear her high heels and is caught in several photos or flim captures wearing them. Going from memory here ... open the first few pages of Groden's book "TKOAP" and he shows a small crop of Sitzman wearing those high heels, so to take the position that no woman wears them on slopes or pedestals is simply not accurate. In fact, there are post assassination photos showing women all over the knoll in high heels. The Paschall film shows Zapruder hopping off the pedestal after Sitzman dismounted it. Altgens 8 shows both of them together at that moment and Sitzman is taller because of her wearing those heels. The Bell film as I recall shows Zapruder walking away from Sitzman as she is standing at the pedestal. If Sitzman said that Abe walked away as she tood on the pedestal, then she misspoke or the interviewer heard it incorrectly. *********************************************** As Usual Bill Miller in his typical, kind, pleasant condescending attitude..post ...states that ""I am not going to waste too much time on this for one's interpretation of the evidence is only as reliable as one's ability to follow it."" To which I agree in spades...Where's yours?? in regards to Marilyn Sitzman...and why is it, that your interpretation is, in your opinion the only....?? There are no clear photos of Marilyn Sitzman on the pedestal wearing high heels, that you assume she had on, there are no clear photos of her on the pedestal, period...and neither are there in the Trask's book, that I have come upon.....that you say are there...??.and seeing that I do not think you have ever worn high heels, you would not know anything about running up and down knolls and or grassy hills, or on grass, for that matter, wearing such ,so do not try to tell a woman, who did wear them for many years, about them...... you are assuming again......and in error.. I did not say there were No women ,Not wearing high heels, on the knoll area, we all wore them back then..we wrecked our feet, but we wore them.....and also we wore flats... I said no woman with high heels on, would run up or down a grassy knoll hill with such on their feet, as the heels would stick into the grass, especially running down...and that is something you would not know about......if you are going to imply what I said and or did not say, make sure you are correct and not simply inserting your suppositions..again. .No one knows if she wore such on the pedestal, positively, as no clear photo exists that she is or did......Did it ever occur to you or any man, within the research world, that she especially in a straight skirt, climbing up on a pedestal ,would have slipped them off....IF she was wearing them..which is questionable.......But.... there is a BIG IF about it, as there is seen in Trasks, which you refer to, and others do own... a photo of her at the corner of Houston and Main, it appears that the shoe on her left foot, which is on the sidewalk, as she takes a step with her right, does Not have a High Heel...it appears to be what we called a flat....so from this crop of Trask's photo, lightened, it appears that she was wearing flats......it is not a positive as yet, but that is the way it appears to me right now....I will attach and please, all, have a look at her left foot.... On the MWKK.......as far as the Zapruder film is concerned.......Marilyn says.... Quote " He started filming about .....oh....just before they came around the corner......and then we heard what to me sounded like two firecrackers...it was starting to get a little confusing because you could see things happening in the car..." and on.....So she does in her own Quotable words, state that he did start to film the motorcade as they just started to turn the corner....so where is the film showing it.?? That is another question .. On the video "Image of an Assassination: Another Look at the Zapruder Film " Marilyn says. "when they started making their first turn, turning into the street, he said, o.k. here we go, or something to that effect "..so again where is the rest of the film...?? Not only did she, Not mispeak, Nor was she Quoted incorrectly.....Nor was she Misquoted by the interviewer, there are enough who have done that for her.... since day one. She is also quoted by Life in an article ,see below.."Mr.Z was gone"..So she not only speaks for herself on the TMWKK, and then also on Image of an Assassination, .but also on a tape to her Doctor under hypnosis.....in which, she states under hypnosis, that she is left alone, and Zapruder has gone....he has gotten down.. ""My boss is gone I looked around he's gone., he's gone""....and she is scared.......etc.... She speaks of being left standing on the pedestal, alone, by Zapruder, of him being gone, and not seeing him again,( until she gets back to the office) that she was looking in the direction of the underpass, and when she turned, he was gone, and she was left standing there by herself...she looked around, and saw all the people....She then mentions about getting down, and going down the hill to the other side of the street, where she spoke to whom she thinks were FBI men.... She leaves and the men follow her back to Mr.Zs office and she was afraid, they continued to follow her into the waiting area, of the office, they wanted to see Mr.Zapruder but he wouldn't see them, he was in his office...she mentions she is still afraid.... By all this she has made it very clear that she was left by Zapruder alone. Marilyn had these several contacts with others about what occurred on the pedestal, and she was well aware of where she was, and what did and did not take place..so it does seem not logical to think that Marilyn did not comprehend. Also,I did not state that Zapruder did not hop down off the pedestal..did I.?? another supposition on your part, so stop deliberately trying to misqote people, it does not work.. Marilyn was dying of Cancer when she gave this statement on the taped interview, to her Doctor, she died three months later...on August 11, 1993. .....so stop trying to impose the what you think she wore, said and did, you are trying to use her to your own ends, within your own research.. Her story does not comply with Zapruder's, his does not with hers, the Hesters story does not comply with either..seems to me that someone is very interested in Marilyn and trying to manipulate what she has stated in the past....or perhaps all of them, what little they did express that is...which in some cases may have been disgarded....which imo may not be abe to be..straighten out, it has been muddled up to that extent.....there are no pat answers...neither yours nor anyones....yours is simply your opinion and in some areas, no better nor worse than anyone elses.....no matter whose given information you follow within the area of the Pergola, or whom you may talk to, as you well know, none gives the others any backup....they all differ. Some day when I have all the information related to Marilyn finally all together, I shall make it available, till then... If you do know something and have done studies within the Marilyn Sitzman subject, then I would appreciate hearing it , so that I may add it to the information I have acquired, pertaining to the Sitzman issues. If not......As you seem to enjoy so often, saying to other members, I will now tell you the same thing...as far as Marilyn Sitzman is concerned .... Bill Miller....Do Your Own Research.... B..

Study of the heights...by Jack.... B..

Chris: the Zapruder waltz, by Jack... Below...B

Hi Chris: Yes I have seen the research in the past done on the Zapruder and Marilyn and the pedestal....and try to stay up to date, and how in some it shows he is not facing or appears not to be towards the limo, for filming...I am still searching, after all these years. I know it is the quality of the photos.....they all turned out badly..when it comes to the pedestal area....it seems.. ....She was taller than Zapruder, and it is said she had on high heels, no woman is going to wear high heels and climb on that pedestal, ask one, and none are going to run down the grassy slope after and across the street as she says, after,when she looked around and saw that she was alone, and left standing on the pedestal alone and Zapruder had gone, disappeared.....these are things she says, not me... with heels on, they would stick into the grass, and she would any woman, go flying and break her ruddy neck, just ask ask one.... Some say Zapruder is leaning down his knees are bent in such as the Bronson, well if so, then the top of her shoulders and head should be seen, in the birght sunlight, and the top of her dress should show as a light beige but it does not. As she was supposedly it is said standing holding onto him..? She would not be bent over him. When looking for Zapruder and Sitzman, in a clear photo, that you can absolutely make them out in, well I just have never seen it yet.. I realise the photographers were not professional, well many were not, but some were... But as you mentioned .....and it has been said many times before, every camera that day, that zeroed in on the pedestal area,and many on the motorcade itself, was either, loaded with the wrong film type, the shadows were too dark, the sun too bright, they jiggled the camera, they forgot to click, whatever, none exist..not that I have seen so far... But we continue, maybe some day...the one problem is Marilyn's recall, her story changed, and to me now, after years of studying her, hers is confused...she says one thing to Mr.Thompson in that statement, another on TMWKK, another to Life magazine, and yet those that will use her to prove their point, never mention that fact...she is seen as mentioned in the pre- film clip in the Zapruder fim he took, but when it is also studied, she turns and it appears there is a handbag strap and purse hanging on her left arm, but when she turns completely around, no purse....She is shown in a lately released photo, at Elm and Houston, and her foot is seen, but to me she appears to have her foot bent, and the heel of the shoe is not seen clearly..as it is all in shadow also..? You cannot make the heel out clearly.. The Hester's were looked up...as even their statements given to the authorities do not comply with each others, two did try to find them, but Charles died in 67, she remarried, and moved and when they went looking they could not find her..so...that was also a dead end, it is imo not fair to say, people have not nor tried, to find the witnesses and talk to them...Many did but too many doors were closed, too many scared perhaps, too many names not known,too many not found..but some did try.. Most seem to believe in some such as say ,Gordon Arnold, and that is fine, that is their perogative, their studies their research.but that does not give them the right to try to tell others what they should or should not do ,nor believe, and I will not do so...I could go on about Marilyn, but will end it here for now.. If interested, anyone, in what the Hesters did and did not say, or Marilyn, then go to search and the books and start digging, as well as the videos it is there..confusing but there.. I Am still searching..below is one of Marilyn taken at the 93 Symposium in Dallas. Thanks ,Chris for your work, please carry on, and continue your own fine research.... B.

Hi Allan: I did send the photo and showed it to Jack first, as I thought it may be his, he said he was not sure....but that it was a very good image...so that is the why I posted such. It certainly would a pleasure to go through such a library... As always take care. B

Some questions, please.... When I look at the Bronson frame..this is what I do not see...her high heel shoes, nor any shoes on her feet..? Shouldn't they be seen..?.or if high heels at least the heels..? Marilyn's right leg, has no foot, and appears to be as thick as a tree trunk at the bottom.? I do not see her light beige dress that she was wearing, and if that is her right leg and foot then shouldn't a part of her beige dress be seen, and not in say all shadows.? She was a big girl, and I cannot see her being completely hidden by Mr.Zapruder..possible but ?? Bill is it possible for you to post that photo from the Pascal film you mention, the one that shows Marilyn climbing down from the pedestal..?? Thanks. B

Hi Alan: Hope all is well...Here you go... B..

In this one it appears there is no bunch????? They did not need a bunching, to move anything.... B..

Here are a few... The one in the shirt was taken in Florida, Nov.15/63 B