Ray Mitcham

I've got the best evidence of all, which is evidence that forever trumps any and all witnesses --- this photograph that you apparently want to ignore.... Really. What caused the complete blackout at the lower part of the back of the head,just above the ruler, David? Photoshop? Photos can't be faked in your world, can they? Try telling the above witnesses that they were wrong.

Sometimes it's "Brittania waives the rules...", Bob

But it's not just Bennett's "guess" is it? The jacket - hole 5" down from the collar Shirt- hole 5" down from collar, Burkley- Wound at third thoracic vertebra. Autopsy sheet- hole shown approx 5" down from shoulder. (see below) Special Agent Clinton L. Hill saw the President's body being worked on at the morgue in Bethesda during the course of the autopsy. He stated to the Commission that just before the body was placed into a casket "I saw an opening in the back, about six inches below the neckline to the right-hand side of the spinal column" Special Agent Roy H. Kellerman -" the hole that was in his shoulder, and with a probe, and we--were standing right alongside of him, he is probing inside the shoulder with his instrument and I said, "Colonel, where did it go?" He said, "There are no lanes for an outlet of this entry in this man's shoulder." The Embalmers Sheet. What you got, David?

Even you could estimate the position of a hole in somebody's jacket if you saw it. (Come to think of it, maybe from your past utterances, you couldn't.) Tell me why Bennett would say that the shot hit four inches below the shoulder if he didn't see it. Oh, I forgot, Special Agent Bennett spouted rubbish. This from DVP!! Regarding the head wound, he saw a huge wound at the back of the President's head. He was quite right. But he didn't say it was an entrance wound.

Once again, I reiterate, No amount of your rubbishy explanations will alter the facts. He saw the bullet hole in JFK's back. Is that really too hard for you to understand? "He guessed". How the hell do you know he guessed? Did you ask him? Or is it just your assumption? Or he had to have guessed because it doesn't suit you theory? As I previously said, no matter what rubbish you keep coming up with your position is untenable.

Larry, nobody said Bennett saw the bullet in flight.It is just one of Von Pain's straw man arguments he is usually associated with.

The fact is enough for me. Special Agent Bennett. "I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder" No matter what rubbish you come up to try to defend your position, it is untenable.

Once again Von Pain, you use the trick of quoting something which hasn't been written. Where did anybody say the "Bennett saw the bullet in flight". You seem to have the gift of misquoting other posters entries. It is not just sloppy posting , but deliberate misquoting by you. Typical.

I would agree with your comments, Bob. The two men shown do not appear to be dressed in "management" apparel.

Yet another bona fide witness who was lying then. Strange how the ones who don't support the Warren Commission were all lying or mistaken.

To DVP Special Agent Bennnett said he saw the bullet hit the President four inches down from the shoulder. Was he lying, as well, David?

The Warren Commission didn't "collect" any of the evidence. Nor did the FBI or CIA. The DPD did. Where did I say the Warren Commission "collected" any of the evidence? You obviously can't read. I said they "believed everything the FBI and the CIA told them." Too many CTers wrongfully claim that it was "the Warren Commission's evidence". Total nonsense. The WC didn't collect or test the evidence. The WC merely evaluated it. They evaluated tainted evidence. The wound IS where it is, as anyone can see via the autopsy photograph. The wound is in the UPPER BACK. Not the NECK. Perfectly consistent with what we see in CE903 (within the "margin of error" leeway that MUST be afforded the WC regarding that exhibit, as I discuss HERE). jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/jfk-back-wound-location.html Special Agent Bennnett said he saw the bullet hit the President four inches down from the shoulder. Was he lying, as well, David?

But you have no doubt that the evidence was, indeed, "manufactured", versus it being real and legitimate evidence that was merely being collected and handled by a bunch of idiot country cops who didn't know what they were doing. Right, Ray? It's remarkable that your "evidence manufacturers", who certainly "weren't the brightest" people in the world, were able to pull off the alleged frame-up of Oswald---what with them being idiots and all. How did they manage it, Ray? ~shrug~ They didn't. That was brought about by the Warren Commission believing everything the FBI and the CIA told them. I notice no reply from you about about the shoulder wound.

No, I can't. But I certainly wouldn't conclude that the various dates that show up on certain documents indicate any kind of fakery. Because it makes no sense for someone faking a document to put into the record a copy of that fake document which includes dates on it that would make that fake document look like an obvious fake document. Therefore, the answer likely resides outside the realm of "fakery". But, maybe the plotters working for Hoover's FBI weren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier. I agree with your last comment. The evidence manufacturers weren't the brightest.

I just wonder how a document can be filed the day before it was written. If that leads one to believe it could be faked then so be it. Perhaps you can explain. Oh no, guess you can't.

"(I guess)" Yep. "I guess" is the best I can do. Sorry. Maybe you can "guess" why the date on this memo is after it was typed up.

Quite right, Bob. This a present day photo, showing the TSBD. The only thing that has changed is the doorway at the top of the steps has been moved rearwards.

Here you go, David. Was Valéry Giscard d'Estaing lying? 50 years ago, "JFK" collapsed in his official convertible through the streets of Dallas, Texas, shot and killed by several bullets. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 35th president (Democrat) of the United States, was murdered on 22 October 1963 and even today, the truth about this crime is still not officially established. Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, then Minister of finance by General de Gaulle, has been informed of the event that stunned the world "in a special way". "I left my office to the Louvre to go to take the plane to Villacoublay in the direction of the Auvergne region and on the right side of the sidewalk, there was a man of a certain age who was - as if it was auto stop, he lifted the arms," said the former head of State to the microphone of RTL. In Kennedy's assassination, there is somewhere the notion of the murder of a dream Valéry Giscard d'Estaing "I said to myself 'what is happening, that what can happen?', continues Valéry Giscard d'Estaing." It slowed, I lowered the window, and it looked and told me: 'the president of the United States comes from being murdered, I learned on the radio, I went out immediately from me to say everywhere'. Andhe burst into tears. It was someone who was so traumatized that he could not keep this new for him". For those who held the highest offices of the State from 1974 to 1981, the emotion of this anonymous isto the image of the shock felt by "all French" that day. "Because in the assassination of Kennedy, there is somewhere the notion of the murder of a dream, he says. When were murdered a dream, there not that the person who is murdered, the dream is murdered with". The former French president revealed in passing a few tasty secrets of its relationship with the iconic American Chief, whom he met in the Oval Office. "He asked me advice!", including on inflation, book. As for the atmosphere prevailing at that time in the White House, "it was youth in power. The youth who wanted to change the world. It has deeply inspired me", he said. VGE convinced by the conspiracy theory And if the myth has not switched off with man, the blur remained on the real reasons for his death. Aman, Lee Harvey Oswald, is quickly arrested; It will be recognized guilty to have thrice fired on theyoung president in a State of grace with a rifle. It will never be held, murdered less than 48 hours afterhis arrest. Two official investigations - the controversial conclusions - establish his guilt: the Warren commission, in1974, and Stokes, from 1976 to 1978. But countless theories claim to something else: for thecomplotistes, Oswald would have remote controlled by the CIA, the FBI or the extreme right, accordingto the versions. There was an organization (...) who has decided to get rid of president Kennedy. It is my belief Valéry Giscard d'Estaing "Gerald Ford (president of the United States from 1974 to 1977, Editor's note) was part of the Warrencommission, resumes Valéry Giscard of Estaing. I did a drive with him once in the United States, he was President and I myself President. I told him: ' I ask you an intrusive question: you were in the Warren commission, what conclusions have you been?' He told me: ' this is not satisfactory. We have achieved afirst conclusion: it was not an isolated crime, it was something organized. We were sure that it was organized. But we could not discover by whom ' "." "So there was an organization that has not really up-to-date, which hated, who hated or feared that President Kennedy, and who has decided to get rid of him. It is my belief," slice the former head of State.Where we learn that two former presidents among the most powerful of their time to support the conspiracy theory.

So let's see. The hole was shown to be in the shoulder according to the autopsy sheet. The President's doctor, Dr Burkley, stated that the shot hit the President at the third Thoracic vertebra. The President's jacket showed that the bullet hit him in the shoulder. The President's shirt showed that the bullet hit him in the shoulder. Special Agent Bennnett said he saw the bullet hit the President four inches down from the shoulder. Who, apart from Specter, said it hit the President in the neck?

"(I guess)"

If it was typed up on the 23rd, how could it have a 22nd file stamp on it?

In the FBI memo posted above by DVP, it shows it as being written on 11.23.63. Anybody know why it shows a file stamp of 11.22.63 , the day before, at the bottom?

Special Agent Bennett on 11/22/63 "....At this point I heard what_sounded like a fire-cracker. I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. " Another agent who got it wrong, David?

This is the type of camera Ike Altgens used. More silver area than black

I think I might grimace if a shot came past my shoulder.