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  1. Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology” Volume 53 Issue 1 March, 1962

    Article 21 Spring 1962 Police Science Book Reviews

    FIRST-LINE SUPERVISOR'S MANUAL.

    Edited by Glenn D. King,

    Charles C Thomas, Publisher, Springfield, Illinois. 1961.

    https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=5081&context=jclc

    Page 3 of this pdf file

     

    Recognize the names of any of these contributors? (*smile*)

    Albuquerque Journal from Albuquerque, New Mexico · September 14, 1975 Page 2

    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157051445/

     

    "Jimmy Hoffa (the missing former teamsters president) saw the United States as a jungle and was going to get his share by hook or crook. That's how younger people see society." Glenn D. King, executive director of the police chief organization, said, "At the present time there is no effective deterrent to crime at all. There should be a social attitude against crime. In the past, there was a social stigma attached to crime, but we don't see much of that attitude now." - Only King suggested that,' the death penalty would help deter crime,'

     

    (Donald A, Byrd, former police chief in Dallas would serve as the police chief in Albuquerque, N.M. From 1971 – 1973.)

    small world huh?

     

    In 1963, Donald A. Byrd was the Lieutenant of the First Platoon 12:00AM to 8:00AM Shift, Patrol Division, Southwest Area Substation – where Tippit was killed and Oswald was captured.)

    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

    (M.N. McDonald, T.R. Gregory (who rode with McDonald that day,) J.D. Tippit, etc. all worked the Second Platoon, Patrol Division, Southwest Substation 8:00AM to 4:00PM shift)

     

    Steve Thomas

  2. 1 minute ago, Steve Thomas said:

    Bart,

     

    See page 4 of this statement by Waldo Thayer to Harold Weisberg.

    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/W Disk/Waldo Thayer/Item 03.pdf

    The Mauser belonged to a guard on the roof of the TSBD.

    Steve Thomas

     

    Sorry, I juxtaposed his name; it's Thayer Waldo.

    See p. 590 of his WC testimony here:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=H7pFAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA590&lpg=PA590&dq="Glenn+King"+Dallas&source=bl&ots=q0nbG51TBB&sig=njbP76Hep4mc2Weavo5fCWdu3f4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwik8bfkne7ZAhVH4VMKHfc1Azo4HhDoAQgxMAI#v=onepage&q="Glenn King" Dallas&f=false

     

    Steve Thomas

  3. 2 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

    King became more known while talking to the press in the 3rd floor corridor, but we also know he talked to Greg Olds and co. when they tried to get in touch with Oswald.

     

    I have been given a 7 page article Holland McCombs wrote for Dick Billings of Life Mag.

    You can read this piece here: 

    http://www.prayer-man.com/dpd/glenn-d-king/

    Bart,

     

    See page 4 of this statement by Waldo Thayer to Harold Weisberg.

    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/W Disk/Waldo Thayer/Item 03.pdf

    The Mauser belonged to a guard on the roof of the TSBD.

    Steve Thomas

     

  4. 3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

    Mr. Thompson thought then a rear shot came from the top of the Records Building.  I've suspected at least one (the back shot) from the second floor of the Dal Tex Building for years.  Blast away as you may at him, and me too.

     

    Ron,

     

    It's funny. I was just thinking about this last night.

    I think JFK was hit four times. The first one from his left front (the drivers's side) that went through the windshield and hit him in the throat. The second one hit him in the upper back. The third and fourth ones hit him in the head - the first from the rear, and the second from the front.

    I think at least two missed. That's at least six shots with four hits.

    I'm not a scientist, so I'll probably get blasted too.

     

    Steve Thomas

  5. On 2/5/2018 at 9:45 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

    Jim,

    But the fact remains that owning a “spy camera” is hardly an indication that you are not a spy, eh?

     

    I always thought the Minox was a "spy" camera too, but ti turns out that it was a pretty common type camera. They were expensive, but not not unheard of.

    https://flashbackdallas.com/2017/12/07/newly-discovered-footage-of-jack-ruby-1960/

     

    “He’s holding a Minox “spy” camera, which was an expensive tiny camera which had been sold for years in several stores in Dallas (and which was offered in classified ads in The News in 1960 for $75) — by the man’s look of utter fascination with it, it appears that it probably belonged to Ruby.” The man can be seen looking through it in the longer clip at the :50 mark.) (See one of the first Minox ads found in a Dallas paper — sold by Linz Jewelers in 1951 — here, and in the year of this footage, in 1960, in a Neiman-Marcus ad, here.)"

    The "suggestion" that it might belong to Ruby is intriguing.

     

    Classified ad for Minox camera with leather carrying case: $117.50

    https://flashbackdallas.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/minox_linz-ad_1951.jpg

     

    Steve Thomas

  6. 14 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

    The article is by Josiah Thompson.  He is given full credit,  Washington photographer for the magazine, Oliver Atkins, is never mentioned.  It's more extensive than a synopsis.  Spread out over 12 pages, roughly 8 of them total text, not including pictures and advertisements.  This in a 10 1/2" X 13 1/4" format.  For the time in the Main Stream Media, of the time,  (TV, a few National Newspapers, and a few National Magazines) it was dynamite.  It talks about things they didn't. Four shot's, three shooters, two headshots hitting JFK.  Much clearer film and prints of the z film at Life magazine than at the National Archives or than the FBI used (copy of a copy).  Back and to the Left.    

    Ron,

     

    I'm glad you were able to secure a copy.

    Do your best to preserve it.

     

    Steve Thomas

  7. On 2/13/2018 at 10:19 AM, Steve Thomas said:

    These seem to be an FBI designation.

     

    Who decided where to file, or send these Reports? Who decided who these Reports would get routed to? For example:

    Did somebody say, "All Reports on Lee Harvey Oswald should go the Internal Security - R - Cuba desk, except these kinds of Reports which should go to the Internal Security - Russia desk?"

    And why would a memo about Yuri Nosenko go to the Internal Security-R-Cuba desk, or memos about Oswald in Minsk?

     

    Steve Thomas

    Posted by Robert Howard in the Education Forum 10/4/2005

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/1919-bernardo-de-torres/?page=2

    The Topic is Bernardo de Torres

    My note (SAS is Special Affairs Staff)

    "Also from Peter Dale Scott Deep Politics III (CIA, Drug Traffic & Oswald in Mexico)


    It is clear that throughout 1963, members like David Morales of the CIA’s Special Affairs Staff, designated to co-ordinate operations against Castro (including new assassination projects),...

    From about October 1 to October 9 (David Atlee) Phillips made a quick trip, authorized by the Special Affairs Staff, to Washington and then Miami.[193] On October 1 the Mexico City CIA station also sent a cable directing that a diplomatic pouch, sent on October 1 to Washington, should be held in the registry until picked up by “Michael C. Choaden” (i.e. Phillips) presently TDY (temporary duty) HQS.”[194][195] The date October 1 catches our eye, inasmuch as it is the date of the alleged Oswald-Kostikov intercept. One is also struck by Phillips’ presence in the Miami JMWAVE station from October 7-9. There are reports that Rosselli, who had good standing in the JMWAVE station, met on two occasions in Miami in early October with Jack Ruby.[196]

    Phillips’ trip coincides curiously with a significant change in the contents and handling of Oswald’s 201 file. Up to late September 1963, incoming documents about Oswald had been referred to the CI/OPS and SR/CI (Soviet Russia/Counterintelligence) desks.[197] But there was a new addressee for the next Oswald document, an FBI Report of September 24 from New Orleans about Oswald’s arrest in August 9 after distributing Fair Play for Cuba leaflets. This was “Austin Horn” of SAS/CI (replacing the usual SR/CI), whose name appears next to the date stamp “8 Oct 1963.” This exclusion of SR/CI, coupled with the initial exclusion of the report (entitled “Lee Harvey Oswald”) from Oswald’s 201 file, helps explain how an unwitting member of the SR/CI staff (Stefan Roll) could clear an outgoing cable that stated, falsely, that

    “Latest HDQS info [on Oswald] was ODACID [state Department] report dated May 1962 [!] saying ODACID had determined Oswald is still US citizen and both he and his Soviet wife have exit permits and Dept State had given approval for their travel with their infant child to USA.[198]

    Of the six officers responsible for drafting and signing this important cable, only one, Jane Roman of CI/LS (Counterintelligence/Liaison), had seen the incoming FBI report of September 24 that disproved their text. In Chapter III### we shall investigate the probability that this dishonest cable was part of a CIA/CI operation.

    Who was this “Austin Horn” who was privileged to see documents on Oswald denied to those who were drafting cables about him? We shall postpone to a later chapter the possibility, as yet still uncertain, that “Austin Horn” may in fact be David Phillips."

     

    Steve Thomas

     

  8. If the assassination of JFK was committed by disaffected elements of the CIA and KGB, is there any evidence of KGB officials or other Russian witnesses dying suddenly in the immediate aftermath of JFK's assassination?

     

    Steve Thomas

  9. 11 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

    I don't believe in Mockingbird to the extent most who believe in it believe in it. In fact, I think the belief in "mockingbird" when it comes to the JFK assassination is a bit of a cop-out.

    Yes, there are times when the CIA wants to defend itself or push a particular position, and uses its friends in the media to place stories favorable to its position. Of that, I have no doubt. But when I look at the assassination and its aftermath, I see Johnson and suck-ups to Johnson as the main culprits. The whitewash known as the Warren Commission was not a CIA operation, IMO, although Dulles was there looking after the CIA's interests. No, it was a defend Johnson operation, from the get-go. Whether or not Johnson was involved in the assassination, it seems clear his greatest fear was that an honest investigation would somehow point back at him. And so he created a commission in large part to clear himself.

    If Trump had a lick of sense he'd have done the same thing with the Russia investigation, that is, appoint a presidential commission to get to the bottom of it that was designed not to get to the bottom of it.

    I mean, just imagine...  he could have manned it with people like Stanley McChrystal, David Petraeus, Rudy Giuliani, Sheldon Adelson, the Koch Brothers, John Bolton, Alberto Gonzales, Mike Huckabee, Orrin Hatch, Michelle Bachman, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Clarence Thomas, and Sarah Palin... In other words, the A team.

    Pat,

     

    I agree with about 90% of what you said. But while I don't think the deflection of the Warren Commission was a CIA operation per se, I think the Garrison deflection definitely was. I think that's because Jim Garrison zeroed in on the CIA right off the bat.

     

    I liked your comment on the blue ribbon commission "designed not to get to the bottom of it"   investigating the Russians. That made me smile.

     

    Steve Thomas

  10. 1 hour ago, Trygve V. Jensen said:

    (Perhaps the answer(s) to my questions are already within this vast collection of information already)

    February 22, 2007:

     
    **Chicago Sun-Times Sat., Nov.23, 1963 "Senator Yarborough terms it a "Deed of Horror""
    Excerpt from the article in the last section: "Charles Hodges 17, a Dallas High school student said he was taking photographs of the president's car when the shooting occurred." 
     
    Was it a true story?, and if so; is any of the photographs available? 
     

    1: Anything ?

    Trygve,

     

    I looked into this several years ago. Please forgive me, I am just going by memory now. I didn't keep any notes.

    If I remember correctly, Charles Hodges and one or two classmates were working on a school project having to do with Kennedy's visit to Dallas (maybe for a Social Studies or current History class?).  They took pictures at Love Field and again at Parkland Hospital. I think their story is connected to a story about a Secret Service Agent grabbing a camera from a teenager at Parkland and ripping the film out of it.

    You might be able to pull up references by running a search for Hodges in the Mary Ferrell Foundation website, or by searching for Hodges in this Forum's search engine.

     

    Steve Thomas

  11. 5 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

    I am looking for a link to Bill Hunter's award winning story, "Three Days in Dallas". If anyone has a link, please share.

    Michael,

     

    I don't know if these will help. The Press Telegram's web site has many individual contact email links.

     

    Independent Press-Telegram from Long Beach, California · Page 1

    February 9, 1964

    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/24421461/

     

     

    TOP HONOR FOR '3 DAYS IN DALLAS' /

     

    Four major awards were collected by The Independent, Press-Telegram Saturday in the Better Newspaper Contest of the California Newspaper Publishers Association. Awards were presented at a convention luncheon of the association at Corona do by Gov. Brown. The s p o t news award honored a special 16-page section titled "Three Days in Dallas," bringing to I, P-T readers t h e graphic drama of the chain of events touched off by t h e assassination of President Kennedy. The section represented on - the - scene reporting by police reporter Bill Hunter. The l a y o u t was designed and produced by Bryan Hodgson, photo editor.

     

    What’s Hot: Long Beach reporter Bill Hunter was in the midst of the JFK conspiracy

    By Long Beach Press Telegram | presstelegram@dfmdev.com |

    PUBLISHED: November 16, 2013 at 12:00 am | UPDATED: September 1, 2017 at 3:50 am

    https://www.presstelegram.com/2013/11/16/whats-hot-long-beach-reporter-bill-hunter-was-in-the-midst-of-the-jfk-conspiracy/

    " Throughout his coverage, he never wrote anything about conspiracy, other than his assertion of the assuredness that Oswald killed Kennedy and Ruby killed Oswald (though in the latter case the shooting occurred in front of TV cameras and was seen by millions on American television)."

    Includes two photos:


     

    “The cop shop at LBPD HQ where reporter William Bradley “Bill” Hunter was shot and killed.”

    “ William Bradley “Bill” Hunter “


     

    William Bradley "Bill" Hunter (November 2, 1928 - April 23, 1964)[1] was an American crime reporter for the Long Beach, California Independent Press-Telegram. Hunter's 16-page special on the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Ruby, "Three Days in Dallas", was awarded the 1964 "spot news reporting" award of the California Newspaper Publishers Association's "Better Newspaper Contest".[2]


     

    2. Independent Press-Telegram, February 9, 1964, TOP HONOR FOR '3 DAYS IN DALLAS'

     

    How to contact the Long Beach Press-Telegram


    Press-Telegram
    727 Pine Ave.
    Long Beach, CA 90813
    562-435-1161

    https://www.presstelegram.com/contact-us/

    Public Editor/Community Liaison
    Rich Archbold
    rarchbold@scng.com
    562-499-1285
    Twitter: @RichArchbold1

     

    Steve Thomas

     

  12. 4 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

    Well, for $17 I'll soon have my own personal copy of a historical artifact that cost 35 cents at the time.  Less than a few books I've bough that turned out to not be worth the price.

     

    Ron,

     

    When you get it, put it under lock and key in a climate controlled dark place.

    After 40 or 50 more years of being spoon fed Warren Commission propaganda, you can pull it out and tell people, "Here's what some other people were thinking about at the time."

    Like Pat said, "When one looks back on the history of this case, it's clear there was a window--from mid--66 to late 67--when the research community had a lot of supporters among the MSM."

    I know I'll always remember the Josiah Thompsons, and the Mark Lanes, and the Sylvia Meaghers.

     

    Steve Thomas

  13. 1 hour ago, Ken Rheberg said:

     

    Steve,

    It was Lee Forman, not Lee Farley.  Farley was also a Forum member in those days, he just wasn't on that old Elizabeth Cole thread.  I used to confuse the two myself.

    To Steve and everyone else, don't let these two threads die.  The conclusions about Cole back then were, at the very least, shaky on the surface for a number of reasons.

    Ken.

    Ken,

     

    Geez. I did say Farley, didn't I?

    Lee, I hope you never see this.

     

    Ken, I never was able to nail the Elizabeth Cole story down. There was a Conference when she said there was, and at the place she said it was at; so that lent some credibility to her story.

    For me, it hinged on whether she called the FBI or not when she got back. The FBI has no record of her call, but that's no guarantee either, is it?

     

    The Senator Raymond Baker her mother was supposed to have contacted... It looks like he was trying to get investigations going into mob connections to the Las Vegas casinos.

    If you go to Lee's post, he refers back to other topics relating to Billie Sol Estes and Sherman Moody.

    Quote, "RFK was apparently going to open an investigation into the numerous accounts of fraud in the Insurance game, all connected to the casinos and hotels being built by certain Mob associated individuals - thanks to Senator Raymond Baker's prodding - but before he could get anything going....JFK was eliminated."

    Interesting.

     

    Steve Thomas

  14. 8 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

    While not exactly an essay  there is this...

     

    Ron,

     

    Yeah, I took this as far as I knew how at the time.

     

    On a side note, the Jesuit connection is an interesting one in light of the fact that it was a Jesuit college in Alabama that Oswald went to talk to in July of 1963.

    I still wish we had a photograph of Fermin De Goicochea.

    PS: Lee Farley was a good researcher.

     

    Steve Thomas

  15. 1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

    No worries...

    The description "supposedly" comes from the image taken on the 4th.  Goodpasture claims the 1222 Oct 2 photo was from Oct 1st and is related to the transcript...
    We are to remember that NOTHING happens on Monday the 30th...  (did a quick check and no holiday on that day) but only on Tuesday the 1st...

    If the man was in such a rush - so much so as to go to the Soviet compound on "Saturday"... yet he does not go on Monday ??

    ----

    Which telegram are you referring to?  

    ...

    5aa04bd90ffac_63-10-02FilmLogofthephotosofMysteryMan-ActualdatesofMysteryManimages.jpg.6234c56a9edd0888ac387960fb5ccd49.jpg

    David,

     

    Thanks. I hadn't looked up at the top left hand corner of the cable.  It took them 9 days before they cabled Washington? For some reason, that doesn't sound right.

    I had asked if the telegram this "Lee Oswald" was asking about had ever been found. Do you know if the Soviets ever turned one over to the U.S.?

     

    Steve Thomas

  16. 39 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

    So their Washington Photographer wrote an 88 page story that was featured on the cover that week?  Odd.  Then a year later he became Nixon's White House photographer, that could speak volumes itself.  I'm ordering it.  Maybe we shall see.

    Ron,

    " From 1974 to 1977 he was vice president of Curtis Publishing Company in Indianapolis, Indiana."

     

    The Curtis Publishing Co. published the Saturday Evening Post up until 1969.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saturday_Evening_Post

     

    In 1969, “The magazine's publisher, Curtis Publishing Company, lost a landmark defamation suit, Curtis Publishing Co. v. Butts 388 U.S. 130 (1967),[7] resulting from an article, and was ordered to pay $3,060,000 in damages to the plaintiff. The Post article implied that football coaches Paul "Bear" Bryant and Wally Butts conspired to fix a game between the University of Alabama and the University of Georgia. Both coaches sued Curtis Publishing Co. for defamation...”

    In 1970, control of the debilitated Curtis Publishing Company was acquired from the estate of Cyrus Curtis by Indianapolis industrialist Beurt SerVaas.[13] SerVaas relaunched the Post the following year on a quarterly basis as a kind of nostalgia magazine.”

     

    Steve Thomas

     

  17. On 2/27/2018 at 4:27 PM, David Josephs said:

    5a95da8ee9d04_63-10-10CIAcables-thebeginningofHENRYOSWALDfrom201file.thumb.jpg.e007802cf18683204a9f3ef0bdb8911d.jpg

     

    David,

     

    I never spent too much time on the Mexico City question, so this question has probably been asked a thousand times before, but if the guy who contacted the Soviet Embassy on October 1st did so by calling them, how did the author of this first cable you provided know what the guy looked like?

    Also, do you know if the telegram that's being asked about was ever revealed?

     

    Steve Thomas

  18. 11 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

    I'm not sure which thread I read last night that mentioned "Three Assassins Killed Kennedy", Saturday Evening Post, December 2nd 1967.  

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=C2yhN4DD&id=6AD3EBB34CF2C63E78557C07D6C570A5DD599F19&thid=OIP.C2yhN4DDfSt4cy1cneRPdAAAAA&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.oldlifemagazines.com%2fmedia%2fcatalog%2fproduct%2fcache%2f1%2fimage%2f360x480%2f9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2fp%2fo%2fpost-1967-12-02_3.jpg&exph=480&expw=360&q=three+assassins+killed+kennedy+saturday+evening+post&simid=608019091780208836&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

    But I looked for it today and only find the cover, well there's this reference.

    https://www.amazon.com/Assassins-Killed-Kennedy-Saturday-Evening/dp/B001BPJCXE

    Around since 1821 the Post died in 1969.  We subscribed.  I remember the Norman Rockwell paintings coming out of the mail box before computers.  It was brought back to life a  quarterly in 71.

    I notice the cover mentions Six Seconds in Dallas.  Does anyone know where the article might be read or who wrote it or if it's been suppressed?

    Ron,

     

    It looks like this was published as an 88 page paperback book, written by a man named Oliver Atkins. He is deceased now.

     

    Here are three places you can buy a copy. The cheapest one is the last one:

    https://www.claudiasbargains.com/1967-the-saturday-evening-post-magazine-three-assassins-killed-kennedy.html

    https://www.oldlifemagazines.com/saturday-evening-post-december-2-1967-three-assassins-killed-kennedy.html

    http://www.papermags.com/1221967atkinsollie---threeassassinskilledkennedy.aspx

     

    https://catalog.archives.gov/id/10610374

     

    Person Name:

    Atkins, Oliver F., 1916-1977

    Role(s):

    Related to 209 catalog description(s)
    Contributor in 208 description(s)
    Subject in 1 description(s)

    Variant Name(s):

    Atkins, Ollie F., 1916-1977

    Biographical Note:

    Oliver "Ollie" F. Atkins (1916-1977) was President Nixon's personal photographer in the White House. He received an A.B. in 1938 from the University of Alabama. He worked as a staff and chief photographer for the Birmingham (Alabama) Post, 1939 to 1940; staff photographer for the Washington Daily News, 1940 to 1042; foreign correspondent photographer, 1942 to 1945; Washington photographer for the Saturday Evening Post, 1945 to 1969; foreign correspondent photographer in Japan and Korea in 1951; and photography columnist for the Washington Post, 1947 to 1950. He was Chief White House Photographer, 1969 to 1974, during President Nixon's administration. From 1974 to 1977 he was vice president of Curtis Publishing Company in Indianapolis, Indiana.

     

    Steve Thomas

     

  19. 2 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

    Hello Steve,

    Yes. I thought that it was in one of your recent posts with regard to Oswald in Miami, Alabama, in the fall of 1963 etc. I remember reading about about a meeting that included Elliott Roosevelt. The meeting also included, I think, Phillips. I got diverted and read some interesting pieces. I wanted to share them in context with the original thread but I cannot find that thread now.

    It might not have been one of your threads. Thanks for your response. 

    The post was definitely within the last two months.

    Again, thanks for your reply, and as always, thanks for your contributions.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Michael

    Michael,

     

    I'm sorry. I'm drawing a blank.

    Here's the two threads about Alabama and Miami, but there's no mention of Roosevelt:

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24633-oswald-in-alabama/

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24646-oswald-in-miami/

    I tried a Google search combining Elliott Roosevelt and Roosevelt, but nothing turned up.

     

    Steve Thomas

     

     

     

  20. 5 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

    Steve, I have enjoyed your many threads over the last year, they are some of the best content on this forum these days.

    I have a question. I have been looking for a reference that you quoted which made reference to a "Roosevelt", I believe Elliott, being in a meeting with several persons of interest. Can you Help me find that reference?

     

    Cheers,

     

    Michael

    Michael,

     

    I'm not sure this is directed at me, but I'm sorry. I don't remember this. Old age, I guess. Do you remember the topic?

     

    Steve Thomas

  21. 1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

    ... the typewriter letter of 11/9 mailed 11/2,   the Backyard photos and negatives,    the rifle blanket and string

    and they went back on the 23rd...   They find negatives (AND photos) of Oswald holding a rifle and a pistol... probably the most important thing found on the 23rd...

    Do we see that on here?   of course not....

     

    David,

     

    Just to keep up with the official narrative, the Detectives only did a cursory search on the 22nd. Fritz had sent them to W. 5th St. without a search warrant. They packed up Marina, Ruth and the kids and headed back downtown. They went back on the 23rd and tore the garage apart.

    The part I loved is when Ruth left and went grocery shopping, leaving them there alone.

     

    Steve Thomas

  22. 20 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

    Steve:

     

    What about the late Adele Edison.  Don't you think that is interesting?

    Jim,

     

    Yep. You can add her to the list.

    Also, wasn't there a telephone operator in California somewhere? Van Nuys?

     

    Steve Thomas

  23. On 2/21/2016 at 7:49 AM, Steve Thomas said:

    the women who spoke of an assassination attempt before it happened.

    I was talking about women heard about or who spoke of an assassination attempt before it happened, and told somebody about it.

     

    In 1975, Elizabeth Cole told the FBI that in the first week of November, 1963 she attended a Foreign Students Convention in New Jersey.

    While there, she overheard a telephone conversation between a Cuban student and an unknown third party. In the phone conversation, the Cuban student related that JFK was going to be assassinated. The date of the assassination, the City of Dallas and a book company were also mentioned.

    Cole said that she called the FBI when she returned to NYC, but never heard back from them.

    You can read the details here:

    http://www.maryferre...32&relPageId=54

     

    Lillian Spengler was working in the Parrot Jungle, a tourist attraction in Miami. On or about November 1, 1963 a Cuban male came into the store asking for a piece of paper. While he was there, he talked about going to Washington and “shooting someone between the eyes” and told Mrs. Spengler that he had a friend named Lee who was a sharpshooter and spoke Russian. Another clerk, Mrs. Twigg, may have observed the encounter. When the store manager, Mr. Bill Vander Wyden, returned to the store, she told him about the encounter. He said the Cuban was probably drunk.

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10649#relPageId=6&tab=page

     

    On November 20, 1963, Cherami was struck by a car on Highway 190 near Eunice, Lousiana. She told police Lt. Francis Fruge she had been traveling with two men from Florida to Dallas, as part of a drug run, but had been thrown out of the Silver Slipper Lounge after an argument, after which she had been run over. After exhibiting drug withdrawal symptoms, Fruge took her to Jackson East Louisiana State Hospital.

    On the journey there, Fruge later told the HSCA, Rose Cherami told the story of her companions and the argument, and then when asked about her business in Dallas, she said she intended to "number one, pick up some money, pick up her baby, and kill Kennedy." Dr. Victor Weiss, who treated Cherami, told Jim Garrison's investigators in 1967 that he had heard Rose's predictions about the Kennedy assassination. In his testimony to the HSCA Dr. Weiss was clear that he had heard this before Kennedy's assassination... At the hospital, Cheramie again predicted the assassination. On November 22nd, several nurses were watching television with Cheramie. According to these witnesses, "…during the telecast moments before Kennedy was shot Rose Cheramie stated to them, ‘This is when it is going to happen' and at that moment Kennedy was assassinated.

    http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKcheramie.htm by John Simkin.

    https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/rose-cheramie-how-she-predicted-the-jfk-assassination by Jim DiEugenio.

     

    There is no corroboration at the time for Marita Lorenz's story of traveling to Dallas with Frank Sturgis, et.al..

     

    Any other women you can think of?

     

    Steve Thomas

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