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On 8/7/2021 at 2:28 PM, Jim Hargrove said:
Despite these inauspicious beginnings, Westbrook and Croy were soon performing near miracles of forensic police work.
Jim,
Ray Hawkins and T.A. Hutson both participated in the apprehension of Lee Oswald.
Ray Hawkins call sign was 211
T.A. Hutson call sign was 284
J.D. Tippit is shot.
Multiple units respond.
A search of the houses in the vicinity is undertaken.
The search of the houses proves fruitless.
A suspect is spotted at the Library.
Multiple units respond.
Sometime between the search of the houses and the sighting of a suspect at the Library, Hawkins and Hutson make a stop at a Mobile Gas Station at 10th and Beckley to make a phone call, supposedly in response from a request from Dispatch to call in.
I do not find any reference to this phone call in the Dispatch tapes.
Mr. HUTSON. We proceeded west on 10th Street to Beckley, and we pulled into the Mobil gas station at Beckley and 10th Street.
Mr. BELIN. That is a Mobil gas station?
Mr. HUTSON. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. HUTSON. And Officer Ray Hawkins and Officer Baggett went inside of the Mobil gas station. And I am not positive, but I think they used the telephone to call in.
I am not positive, but I believe they gave us a call for us to call. I mean their number to call in.
At the time they were in the service station, I heard the dispatcher give a call that the suspect was just seen running across the lawn at the Oak Cliff Branch Library at Marsalis and Jefferson.
I reached over and blew the siren on the squad car to attract the officers' attention, Officers Baggett and Hawkins, and they came running out of the service station and jumped in the car, and I told them to report to, I can't remember, Marsalis and Jefferson, the suspect was seen running across the lawn at the library.When Kenneth Croy testified to the Warren Commission on March 26, 1964, he said,
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/croy.htm
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where do you live?
Mr. CROY. 1658 Glenfield Dallas, Tex.“Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your occupation?
Mr. CROY. I have several.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let's have them in order.
Mr. CROY. I am in the real estate business. I have a Mobil service station...”On December 1, 1963, Kenneth Croy gave an Affidavit on his actions in the basement of the Dallas Poice Heaquarters on November 24, 1963 when Oswald was shot. He listed his address as 2634 West Illinois,
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=217812#relPageId=148&search=%22key_to%20personnel%22
Steve Thomas
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Donald Trump shouldstick to his cult and the whole God, Savior, Second Coming thing.
He knows nothing about policy or what's good for the American people.
The country is moving on without him and he can't stand it.
A disgrace': Trump melts down on Mitch McConnell over infrastructure package
by Meaghan Ellis, AlterNet
August 07, 2021
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mcconnell-2654559174/
"It is a gift to the Democrat Party, compliments of Mitch McConnell and some RINOs [Republicans in name only], who have no idea what they are doing," he added.
Trump even included what appears to be a veiled threat toward current Republican lawmakers as he warned, "It will be very hard for me to endorse anyone foolish enough to vote in favor of this deal."
Republican lawmakers let out a collective yawn.
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3 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:
P.S.
Steve Thomas,
Great tip on CD 81! I credited you more than once in my talk Thursday night.
Bill,
Thank you. That was very kind.
Steve Thomas
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On 8/5/2021 at 10:50 AM, Jim Hargrove said:
Bill,
If memory serves, Steve Thomas has discussed here a number of the issues raised by the DPD archives, and a few of the pages you link have been up on HarveyandLee.net for some time. Since MFD is a much better known site than the DPD archives, perhaps you could look into fixing this issue, assuming others are seeing the same thing I am.
Jim,
At some point in the recent past, the Dallas Police Department’s John F. Kennedy Collection (the DPD Archives) was turned over to the The Portal to Texas History The Portal describes itself this way:
About the Portal
“The Portal to Texas History is a gateway to rare, historical, and primary source materials from or about Texas. Created and maintained by the University of North Texas Libraries, the Portal leverages the power of hundreds of content partners across the state to provide a vibrant, growing collection of resources.”
One of their collections is the John F. Kennedy Memorial Collection
https://texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/JFKAM/browse/?start=0
You can also click on their link to the Police Department Collection previously maintained by the Dallas Municipal Archives:
https://texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/JFKAM/browse/?fq=untl_collection%3AJFKDP
The Collection is not organized the same way as the preceding DPD Archives maintained by the City of Dallas.
I‘m assuming that much of the duplication found in the City of Dallas collection has been eliminated.
The search engine seems to work pretty well, but you lose the browsing feature that I used to find so useful.
If you now click on a DPD Archives link (with a Box# and a Folder#, etc.), you just get a 404 Error.
For me personally, that means a lot of years of lost bibliographic citations.
Steve Thomas
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20 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:
Steve - I’ve been in touch with the 6th floor museum curator. I asked why I couldn’t find the Crichton file. Interestingly it turn out the name was misspelled. I am assured that the museum still has the oral history.
Paul,
Cool.
Any hint that they will put it up online?
Steve
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On 8/5/2021 at 10:50 AM, Jim Hargrove said:
Bill,
With Westbrook in charge of putting this all together, your description of it as "the Warren Report of the Dallas police" sounds pretty darned accurate.
Jim,
See my response to Bill in the thread on the Dallas Police that I wrote on Wednesday the 3th here:
Captain O.A. Jones was in charge of the Investigative team. Their original charge was to find out how Ruby got into the basement. I find it curious that Curry put Captains in charge of the investigation, and not Deputy Chiefs. I think Curry was suspicious that Ruby had help.
I should add that the second paragraph of Carr's letter to Rankin (see p. 2 of CD81) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId
Comprises CD 81.1
I need to look at Section 5 (Persons assigned to handle security for President's visit. (If I remember right, Gannaway of the Special Service Bureau was in charge of security at the Trade Mart, and he (Gannaway) delegated security along the parade route to Lieutenant Kaminsky, also of Special Services). One of the charges of Red Squads (or Special Service Bureaus) around the country was providing security for visiting dignitaries.
Steve Thomas
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House GOP Campaign Chair Won’t Rule Out Backing Candidates Who Attended Jan. 6 Riot
At least two Republican congressional candidates were part of the mob that went to the Capitol to overturn the election results.
By Amanda Terkel
“There are at least two Republicans running for Congress who went to the Capitol on Jan. 6.Derrick Van Orden, who’s hoping to unseat Democratic Rep. Ron Kind in Wisconsin’s 3rd District, used leftover campaign funds from his 2020 run against Kind to travel to Washington for Trump’s “stop the steal” rally. Van Orden claimed that he never stepped foot on Capitol grounds on Jan. 6, but a photo from that day shows otherwise.
Van Orden has the backing of powerful House Republicans, including Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Whip Steve Scalise (La.) and Conference Chair Elise Stefanik (N.Y.).
Republican Teddy Daniels, who is taking a shot at challenging Rep. Matt Cartwright (D-Pa.), was also at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and put up a video showing the crowd.
I am here. God bless our patriots. pic.twitter.com/RBqNoQkyC2
— Teddy Daniels for Congress (@DanielsCongress) January 6, 2021
If Daniels shot the video, he would have been well past the police barricades that the mob barreled through.
Daniels also ran in the 8th District in 2020, coming in second in the six-person GOP primary.”
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Trump brutally mocked over plan to issue membership cards to loyal supporters
By John Wright August 05, 2021
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-cards/
"”We're about to launch our Official Trump Cards, which will be reserved for President Trump's STRONGEST supporters," the PAC wrote in the email, asking supporters to vote for their favorite of four proposed designs.
Those who voted by clicking on one of the four proposed designs were, naturally, redirected to a fundraising page.
"We recently met with the President in his Florida office and showed him four designs," the email continued. "Originally we were planning on releasing just one design, but when President Trump saw the cards on his desk, he said, 'These are BEAUTIFUL. We should let the American People decide - they ALWAYS know best!'" the email said.”
"All four of the designs say "Official Trump card" and bear the logo of his Save America PAC. They include the former president's signature above text saying, "Authorized by president Donald Trump," as well as a place for the name of the "member," along with an ID number and the date when their membership began."
“On Twitter, several users pointed out that the eagle on one of the designs bares an eery resemblance to the Reichsadler or "imperial eagle," which was combined with a swastika in the official German national emblem adopted by by Adolf Hitler.”
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On 8/1/2021 at 7:08 PM, Bill Simpich said:
Croy's WC testimony pretty much convinced me that he was "most likely" either accompanied Ruby into the basement or allowed him to enter the basement. It is also worth noting that Croy was not listed among the officers present when Ruby shot LHO. Why?
Bill,
On pages 148 and 149 of the documents you provided is an Affidavit filed by Kenneth Croy on December 1, 1963 concerning his actions on the 24th of November.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=217812#relPageId=148&search=%22key_to%20personnel%22
In his Affidavit, Croy says that Ruby was standing to his left. There is only one white-hatted policeman standing between Ruby and the wall. That has to be Kenneth Croy. I do not know why his name doesn't appear on a map.
Steve Thomas
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9 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:
There are new documents that no one has looked at yet - released in 2013 by the City of Dallas - the 800 page investigation of the "operational security" of the LHO transfer. For the first time that I know of, we have possession of the actual 100-plus exhibits and the investigative report in one place.
I call it the Warren Report of the Dallas police.
Bill,
I looked at this many years ago, but I lost those files in a computer crash, so please forgive me, I'm just going on memory here.
Those reports can be found in CD 81.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=1
Shortly after JFK's assassination, the Dallas Police turned over all their materials to Texas State Attorney General, Waggoner Carr. H, in turn, them over to the Warren Commission in three bound volumes. In essence, this comprises the entire Dallas Police Department's case.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=2
Volume 2 - The investigation of the Assassination of the President - is what comprises WC Document 81b
CD 81b begins on page 311 of CD 81.
The "Investigation of the Operational Security Security Involving the Transfer of Lee Harvey Oswald November 24, 1963" was commissioned by Chief Curry on November 29, 1963 - the dame day that President Johnson commissioned the Warren Commission. It wrapped up it's work in the second week of December.
(see page 4 of CD 81.)
As you indicated, they reached the same conclusion as the Warren Report nine months later.
The investigative team which investigated and compiled volumes 1 and 3 of the materials Carr turned over to Rankin of the WC was headed by Captain, O.A, Jones of the Forgery Bureau and was comprised of Lieutenants from various Bureaus within the Police Department: Lieutenant, Paul McCaghren, Burglary and Theft Bureau; C.C. Wallace, Juvenile Bureau; Jack Revill, Special Service Bureau; F.I. Cornwall. Special Service Bureau, and a couple of others, whose names I can't remember.
I was in email correspondance with Paul McCaghren for a while. He agreed to give me copies of the reports you see in CD 81 regarding the transfer of Oswald in exchange for a $100.00 donation to the Dallas Police Association. He was not an easy man to deal with. He told me that Curry appointed him to this special investigative team because Curry told him that he was the best investigator on the Dallas Police Force.
The investigation of Oswald's transfer soon branched out into several side areas: Witnesses who claimed Oswald and Ruby knew each other, or who claimed they saw Oswald in the Carousel or in cafes eating together and Oswald's alleged application at the Allright parking Garage, etc. (This is Volume 3 of Carr's bound volumes.)
This investigative team. and the reports they took from the officers, were to report directly to Chief Curry.
Hope this helps.
Steve Thomas
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4 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:
Who refused to work security for the motorcade ?
Gil,
On January 12, 2018, I wrote a piece in the Education Forum entitled, "Where Was Bob Carroll?" that might be of interest.
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24568-where-was-bob-carroll/?tab=comments#comment-367998
I talked about the members of the Special Service Bureau who were stationed along the parade route. They only had one detective per block in the downtown area.
I'd like to add this little piece:
WC testimony of Bob Carroll
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/carroll.htm
Mr. CARROLL. Well, after we got the handcuffs on him - it was McDonald and Jerry Hill, Ray Hawkins and myself, and I believe there was - I think it was Hutson - we started out of the theatre and we took him out through the main lobby to our car, which was parked right in front where we had left it - where Lyons and I pulled up, and we put him in our car in the back seat and I was driving and Jerry Hill was riding next to me and somewhere after this deal, someway or other - I don't know exactly when it was - Paul Bentley had joined the crowd, and he got into the car in the right - front seat and then Oswald and Hutson, I believe, were in the beck seat, and we left there and drove to the police station.
Hutson was not in the car, but C.T. Walker and K.E. Lyon were.
There were 5 cops and 1 prisoner, and Carroll got 3 out of the 5 cops wrong. That's a 60% error rate.
After action report of Bob Carroll
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340230/m1/1/?q=Carroll
Carroll's WC testimony differs from his own after-action report.
M.N. McDonald did not ride in that car.
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17 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:
Steve, https://myjfksite.weebly.com/ is very interesting, thanks.
Craig has always been one of the more reliable & plausible witnesses for me & his 'light coloured Rambler' testimony, confirmed by other witnesses is solid. His description of the driver, He was very dark complected, had real dark short hair, and was wearing a thin white-looking Jacket..." is also interesting. We'll never know if it was Oswald, or a look-alike that ran down from the TSBD into the car. Was the 'thin white-looking jacket' dumped by the Rambler driver (Orcarberro) to frame the patsy?
Pete,
I wish Roger Craig had been asked if the Rambler he saw had bumper stickers on it.
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I wrote a small piece on the local Secret Service back in November and asked,
"Why did the local Secret Service tell the Dallas Police, Military Intelligence and the County Sheriff's Department that they weren't needed? Was it hubris, or was it something more sinister?"
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26793-local-secret-service/?tab=comments#comment-432453
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As has been pointed put, the shells were found before the rifle was. The 6.5 caliber shells were photographed, entered into evidence and put into an evidence bag.
You couldn't very well have a 7.65 caliber rifle found to go along with them.
That's why I personally think that somebody screwed up and planted the wrong caliber shells.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Gil Jesus said:
According to Boone's affidavit, the "Mauser" was found at 1:22 pm. If both of those times are correct, doesn't sound like the same rifle to me.
Gil,
Luke Mooney told the WC that, although he didn't look at his watch, he felt that it was approaching 1:00 PM when he found the shells.
Will Fritz told the WC that he arrived at the TSBD at 12:58 and that "shortly afterwards", somebody told him that they had found some shells.
Somewhere in my notes I have the shell discovery pegged as 1:06 PM.
Steve Thomas
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13 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:
In your case, I'm generally curious about what prompted your sudden interest in the subject of this historic forum being policed and, possibly, shut down.
W.,
This Forum has been in existence for 17 years.
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7 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
Ron,
Yes, I think so.
Little by little, the influence of the raging has been from Mar Lago will begin to wane. He has nothing to offer in the way of rebuttal except these rallies where he regurgitates the same old same old. People will grow tired of it and see it for what it is, just the rantings of a madman. The only problem is that he can do a lot of damage on his way out.
Steve Thomas
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9 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
Hey Steve, I never knew about your website. I'm reading the Rambler article but they all look interesting. I'll be reading the rest in time, I'm bookmarking the site. Regards, Ron.
Ron,
Thanks. Mostly it's a collection of notes that I have gathered from time to time on questions that have interested me.
Steve
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2 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:
I could never figure out why a Latin guy would be driving Ruth Paine's station wagon.
Gil,
It is my belief that the Rambler was owned by Raul Castro, an officer of of Dallas SNFE Chapter of Alpha 66 and who met at the house on Halandale into which Oswald was seen entering and exiting. The driver was Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro.
I explored this on my web page with an article entitled, "Possible Rambler Lead?"
Steve Thomas
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3 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
Or, was the gun ( and the blanket it was wrapped in ) stuffed deeply into a large military type duffle bag as Oswald owned and never removed from this until the empty blanket was found?
Joe,
The The Warren Commission was desperate to find such a bag.
Go back and re-read the testimony of Mary Bledsoe, his landlady on Marsalis, and Ruth Paine's account of when they put him on a bus in New Orleans.
To the best of my knowledge, they never did come up with a bag that Oswald owned that was big enough to put a rifle in.
Steve Thomas
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DOJ won't defend Republican lawmaker in Capitol riot lawsuit
Reuters July 28, 2021
https://www.rawstory.com/u-s-justice-dept-won-t-defend-republican-lawmaker-in-capitol-riot-lawsuit/
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The U.S. Justice Department in a court filing on Tuesday declined to defend Republican congressman Mo Brooks in a lawsuit that alleges he conspired to instigate the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.
Brooks had asked the Justice Department consider him covered by the Westfall Act, which protects federal employees from being sued for actions taken as part of their jobs, concerning the lawsuit brought by Democratic congressman Eric Swalwell.
"Inciting or conspiring to foment a violent attack on the United States Congress is not within the scope of employment of a Representative - or any federal employee - and thus is not the sort of conduct for which the United States is properly substituted as a defendant under the Westfall Act," it said.”
“"Today's actions strongly suggest that the Department of Justice will refuse to defend Trump's action on January 6, as well," said Anne Tindall, counsel for advocacy group Protect Democracy, which is representing two Capitol Hill police officers in separate litigation against Trump.”
Best news I've heard all day.
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59 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:
Writer Nechiporenko says..."Oswald was too uneducated, neurotic, idealist, undependable, paranoid, and fearful for his life ... to be a cog in a conspiracy."
Joe,
Current Section: CE 950 - Report of the Department of State on Lee Harvey Oswald, submitted to the Commission in January 1964.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=307&tab=page
p. 293
“In 1961, he showed a United States consular officer a document issued by the Moscow City Government on January 14, 1960 which indicated that he never was declared a Soviet citizen.”*
*“After the assassination of President Kennedy, an official of the Soviet Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated to an officer of the American Embassy in Moscow that Soviet authorities had considered Oswald's application for Soviet citizenship, but had decided not to approve it because Oswald seemed unstable.”
See also letter from Walter J. Stoessel, Jr. of the Embassy in Moscow to the Director's Office of Soviet Affairs of the United States Department of State.
He talks of meeting Kudryavtsev of the American Section of the MFA in the airport, who told him that, “Oswald had applied for Soviet citizenship but that ,after considering the application, the Soviet authorities had decided not to approve this application since Oswald seemed to be so unstable.”
“I found this reference to the Soviet handling of his application for citizenship of interest, since I have not found any record of this aspect in our files.”
The Soviets were determined (or at least said they were) to paint Oswald as "unstable".
I found the last line of Stoessel's letter to be significant. The Americans had no record that Oswald had ever actually applied for Soviet citizenship.
Steve Thomas
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This is a new one on me.
There is a conspiracy theory floating around out there that is saying that vaccinated people are "shedding" their virus and causing unvaccinated people to get sick.
This seems particularly dangerous to me.
I can easily see mobs with pitchforks and torches seeking out people who have been vaccinated.
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:
But gradually even they came to perceive that there was a lot more to her knowledge of Lee and the assassination than what she was telling them. I think she plays her roles well. Very well. Including the recanted iteration...
Pamela,
I have compiled some notes for why, I believe, that a case can be made that it was Marina who bought the rifle. These run to about 22 pages, which would be too long to post here in their entirety, I think, unless I broke it up into about three or four posts.
My notes revolve around six main areas:
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Oswald admitted he had the Alek James Hidell Selective Service card, bur either “denied” or “declined to admit” that the signature was his.
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Marina admitted to signing the name “Hidell” to “two or three things” with the name “Hidell” that were not pamphlets.
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Marina said on at least four occasions that they were living on Neely St. in January, and initially, that she had seen Lee cleaning the rifle in January (which she later corrected to mean she saw it for the first time in March).
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The handwriting experts commissioned by the HSCA were not asked to analyze the signature on the Hidell Selective Service card, or to compare the signature on the rifle order form with the signature on the DeMohrenschildt rifle photo.
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The times when Lee Oswald used the Americainized versions of dating as opposed to when Marina used the Cryllic version of dating.
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The troubling instances of evidence in this case in Marina Oswald's possession appearing after they have been seized and searched by the Dallas Police
One of the most startling things I came across was this:
WC testimony of Marina Oswald February 3, 1964
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm
Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever observe your husband taking the rifle away from the apartment on Neely Street?
Mrs. OSWALD. Now, I think that he probably did sometimes, but I never did see it. You must understand that sometimes I would be in the kitchen and he would be in his room downstairs, and he would say bye-bye, I will be hack soon, and he may have taken it. He probably did. Perhaps he purely waited for an occasion when he could take it away without my seeing it.However, on March 3, 1964 Marina told FBI Agents, Wallace Heitman and Anatoly Boguslav that not only had she seen Oswald take the rifle out of the apartment in March, 1963, but that she had gone with him!
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=549&tab=page
March 3, 1964
If Marina never saw Oswald take the rifle from the apartment, how could she re-trace for the FBI the route he used?
Mr. RANKIN. Did you learn at any time that he had been practicing with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think that he went once or twice. I didn't actually see him take the rifle, but I knew that he was practicing.
Mr. RANKIN. Could you give us a little help on how you knew?
Mrs. OSWALD. He told me. And he would mention that in passing---it isn't
as if he said, "Well, today I am going"---it wasn't as if he said, "Well, today I am going to take the rifle and go and practice."
But he would say, "Well, today I will take the rifle along for practice."Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever observe that the rifle had been taken out of the apartment at Neely Street---that is, that it was gone?
Mr. RANKIN. Did you learn at any time that he had been practicing with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think that he went once or twice. I didn't actually see him take the rifle, but I knew that he was practicing.Steve Thomas
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The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
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Fundraisisng appeal sent out by the The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) 08/07/21
Trump Patriots?
I know I want to run right out and claim my exclusive offer.
Not sold in stores!
Steve Thomas