David G. Healy

Denis, David Healy has prostituted himself for both sides ... Fetzer just hasn't bothered to do his homework so to know that Healy has stated that he has seen no proof of alteration. It seems that Jim's poster-boy has committed high treason against the movement. (smile~) People should go to Lancer's archives and read an exchange that some of us had with Fetzer over the trash that went into his 'hoax' book. Fetzer took the position that he was merely only offering the reader an alternative view and wasn't responsible for the claims of others. TRASH? You look lovely when you whine, know that.... So anyday, anytime when it comes to discussing your film-photo credentials, AND alteration aspects of Z-film its cast of characters (new and OLD) surrounding the film... you don't measure up to ANY of the characters champ....how many times do you need to get beat up around here? Gary Mack giving out 6th Floor Purple Hearts these days? LMAO!

old news Pointing, real OLD news .... you have the credentials to challenge anything Fetzer or those that contributed to his books have to say? If so speak up.... or asre you just another Josiah Thompson place mat?

Don't get in a hurry, David. I am going to give it a few more post and then I'll post just the exact opposite of what I previously said like you did, then I will win the 'David Healy double-talk Award' .... thats far better than a dance and/or a cigar! focus at the topic at-hand... no comment regarding Paul's post? Or, are you running again? C'mon give us some faith in you, you're out of your league here champ, Gary has thrown you to the wolves.... did you say you were now working at the 6th Floor Museum, I forgot? Your's in research, David Healy

You are correct, Len and its only more reason that these select few never get anywhere with what should be earth-shattering news! Here is something Mack said to me when discussing this issue, "I'm not aware of any confirmed account of an actual film of the assassination on Russian TV or, for that matter, any TV station or network until midday on what is now the FOX TV station in New York City. To the contrary, I am aware of many conflicting accounts of both the Z and Muchmore films indicating great confusion in the news media as two American giants, LIFE and UPI, waged their own battle to be first with assassination images. Stills from both films started appearing on TV and in print as early as Tuesday the 26th. Also, it is quite possible that the date of the Russian TV film appearance is in error or the reporter's characterization of it weeks later is simply wrong. I also know from several newspaper stories at the time that live U.S. broadcast coverage of the assassination weekend that was seen in Europe, Russia, Japan and many other countries all originated with NBC. That network had exclusive access to the transatlantic cable and the two orbiting satellites; in fact, NBC, whose original tapes still exist and whose contents have been seen and documented minute by minute in two books, aired the Dave Wiegman film several times. Wiegman's film, while not showing Kennedy being hit, does show the assassination scene before, during and after the assassination. The horrified faces of the eyewitnesses on the ground - Cheryl McKinnon and the Newman family - would certainly have been considered upsetting or even gruesome at that more sensitive time. " yawn..... nice dance, no cigar

where'd you find this, Wade? DHealy thanks man! David I found this website for Josiah Thompson - http://home.earthlink.net/~joejd/jfk/zapho...pson-proof.html

where'd you find this, Wade? DHealy

might want google Vince Palmara (he's done much work re SS agents and the JFK assassination) -- you can start here: http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP.html

Hi all By James Fetzer: No one has suggested that "the whole Zapruder film is a hoax" in the sense that every frame or every image has been faked. The film as a whole is a reconstruction using some authentic footage that was then subjected to the sophisticated techniques of optical printing and special effects. Try visiting John Costella's "Intro to Zapruder Film Alteration" on assassinationscience.com and you will have the chance to understand how this was done from the world's leading expert on the film. Try it, you'll like it--unless, of course, you are one of those zealots who cannot abide the very idea, in spite of extensive and varied evidence supporting that conclusion. Time to revive this thread. Having also read the Hoax site but not, I admit, having read Fetzer's Film Hoax book, I don't find the arguments on the website too convincing. Jack White seems to imply that the whole Zapruder film is a hoax but I would say to that there is simply far too much to fake: all the people standing on the grass, the car, the secret service and police as well as the principles in the car. The idea of propaganda films or Mary Poppins being "proof" that the Zapruder film was faked in its entirety will not wash. I agree that there are oddities about the film which might point to manipulation of the images in certain frames, similar to the probable doctoring of the JFK autopsy photos and the photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald with the rifle, and possibly frames missing, but again there is too much in the Zapruder film to fake to claim that the entire film is a hoax to the extent that it could take in my myself and other reasonably minded observers such as Congressional committees or other investigators. Best regards Chris George praytell what's this about? correct me if I'm wrong, the last post to this thread was nearly 2.5 years ago (mine).... Jim Fetzer posts to this thread yesterday and you edit his post for WHAT reason again? What are you doing, Evan? This your own personal playland? Jim Fetzer have an editor assigned to him on this forum? How dense are you David? Sheesh! have a tough time reading dates and times, too? Or am I moviong too fast for you?

Hi all By James Fetzer: No one has suggested that "the whole Zapruder film is a hoax" in the sense that every frame or every image has been faked. The film as a whole is a reconstruction using some authentic footage that was then subjected to the sophisticated techniques of optical printing and special effects. Try visiting John Costella's "Intro to Zapruder Film Alteration" on assassinationscience.com and you will have the chance to understand how this was done from the world's leading expert on the film. Try it, you'll like it--unless, of course, you are one of those zealots who cannot abide the very idea, in spite of extensive and varied evidence supporting that conclusion. Time to revive this thread. Having also read the Hoax site but not, I admit, having read Fetzer's Film Hoax book, I don't find the arguments on the website too convincing. Jack White seems to imply that the whole Zapruder film is a hoax but I would say to that there is simply far too much to fake: all the people standing on the grass, the car, the secret service and police as well as the principles in the car. The idea of propaganda films or Mary Poppins being "proof" that the Zapruder film was faked in its entirety will not wash. I agree that there are oddities about the film which might point to manipulation of the images in certain frames, similar to the probable doctoring of the JFK autopsy photos and the photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald with the rifle, and possibly frames missing, but again there is too much in the Zapruder film to fake to claim that the entire film is a hoax to the extent that it could take in my myself and other reasonably minded observers such as Congressional committees or other investigators. Best regards Chris George praytell what's this about? correct me if I'm wrong, the last post to this thread was nearly 2.5 years ago (mine).... Jim Fetzer posts to this thread yesterday and you edit his post for WHAT reason again? What are you doing, Evan? This your own personal playland? Jim Fetzer have an editor assigned to him on this forum?

courtesy of Jim Marrs and Ralph Schuster.... http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/deaths.html

It wasn't Groden, but rather someone on this forum that has seen your countless say-nothing responses. Bill the best you done in 6 years is create a .gif animation (a bad one at that) Time to move on champ.... the following is #4, from the top 25 tactics disinfo agents use on the USENET boards 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/ opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. sound familiar?

While they might do well to have it - why don't they just purchase a copy and not ask for it as a donation. They charge an entrance fee for their museum and make profits. Copies are still available new. Peter: It is just the type of book, that the TSBD does not and will not sell...that is the why he wants one copy donated.... Last Hurrah may have a copy they can buy... I'll sell them mine for $1200 bucks (cash, no checkeroo) ....he does not recommend such books be stored in stock....let alone sold at the book store....... It has been available for several years....so why would he want a donated copy now.....?? When he has delibertatey ignored such all these years, perhaps it is an awakening.... I would suggest as you have, the TSBD buy it's own copy........they are very quick to charge anyone and all for copies of anything they sell ,as well as for admittance.... B............ perhaps Gary is finally through with the Great Zapruder Film HOAX, eh? Looking for something else to stimulate his senses?

Yes, David you contributions to this forum are quite impressive ... and to think that you are the one who says he is never invited for JFK film showings. And how dumb can I be to have caught you talking out of both sides of your mouth. When I get my laptop back, I will go back to supplying the links to your statements saying just the opposite of each other. Let me share an excerpt from one of those people who you say doesn't give me credit for anything ... and thanks for opening the door for me to have an excuse to share the following quote from an email a received several days ago ... "I think Healy has alot of nerve dissing you, when he sits on the fence. The proper educated way for him to speak would be just an "I don't know for sure--it may be possible." but he's ridiculous in his posting. and the funny part is his buddy, Jack, feels the same way you do about Gordon Arnold and Badge Man. For him to back Jack, and say the stuff he does, shows me he lacks the ability to think clearly." yeah.... sure you did.... uh-huh! Perhaps Groden whispered in your ear, eh..... LMFAO

LOL !!! Another three decades has elapsed ??? Your paragraph is basically saying that if you grow bored and aren't happy with the script, then just make one up. The discovery of alteration in the JFK assassination films would be news that would be in every newspaper and on every news station in the world within the first day of its discovery. But that news would have to be verifiable and that's precisely why such evidence never gets past a forum like this. If the bar was ever set any higher to where posters here couldn't no long just be able to step over it, then most of the threads seen here wouldn't exist. That's about as lame as you can get..... So, why are you responding to the posts here? perhaps? Let's see, you've made a career out of responding to posts that you feel aren't worthy of response, that cover it? I suspect that's pretty damn dumb to everyone else but YOU. Dumb enough to respond to each and every post concerning Dealey Plaza film/pics. Wonder why no one gives you credit for film/photo research? Simple, you've done none! Unless of course you call helping Groden hawk his wares in DP on occasion.... edit--objectionable phrase yeah Beckett, what did you edit out of my post?

"extreme nonsense" not bad for no cites, eh? Perhaps you can be the first to undertake the huge project, shooting down Armstrongs work. Show him the error of his ways, eh? Have you even READ Armstrong's book. Thanks, DHealy

LOL !!! Another three decades has elapsed ??? Your paragraph is basically saying that if you grow bored and aren't happy with the script, then just make one up. The discovery of alteration in the JFK assassination films would be news that would be in every newspaper and on every news station in the world within the first day of its discovery. But that news would have to be verifiable and that's precisely why such evidence never gets past a forum like this. If the bar was ever set any higher to where posters here couldn't no long just be able to step over it, then most of the threads seen here wouldn't exist. That's about as lame as you can get..... So, why are you responding to the posts here? perhaps? Let's see, you've made a career out of responding to posts that you feel aren't worthy of response, that cover it? I suspect that's pretty damn dumb to everyone else but YOU. Dumb enough to respond to each and every post concerning Dealey Plaza film/pics. Wonder why no one gives you credit for film/photo research? Simple, you've done none! Unless of course you call helping Groden hawk his wares in DP on occasion.... edit--objectionable phrase

photo and film alterationists have sparked latter-day JFK assassination debate for quite awhile now, in fact those early day film-photo debates got this board of the ground... if thats sever damage, its worth it, the JFK movie debates had long since passed....

Another beautiful job of capturing an image Ed ... the clarity ... the detail ... simply amazing! By the way ... what is it??? you do understand the term *research* correct? And, you know FULL well what that image is. In case you haven't got the message, there are some on this board and many other places that don't believe the alleged in-camera Zapruder film fully demonstrates what happend on Elm Street that day... May the Lone Nuts conceed gracefully, that includes you!

David, one can go back and read everything you have posted in the past 12 month period and the only thing they will walk away with that was JFK related was your two comments in on e thread where you said, 'I believe the Zfilm is altered', and 'I have seen no proof of alteration'. And tell me what you know about the 6th floor Museum??? From what I gather they don't pay any attention to the nonsense you say. if you can't handle THIS, what makes you think you can handle a debate concerning the alteration of the "alleged in-camera Zapruder Film? Only one of the Gang has the werewithal to present a decent challenge to what was presented in 2003... Currently he's banging on your door, or haven't you noticed... As for the 6th Floor, haven't been in the place, never will. DP now THAT is another story... So I say, yea, uh-huh... nearly everytime I log on to this forum Gary the Pope-Ghost is lurking.

David ... here is a sock-puppet example so to try and get this simple message through to you. Imagine that you are sitting at a desk that has no computer ... would it not then be impossible for you to get on the forum so to post such foolish responses as the one above? The person who is graciously allowing me to get on the Internet DOES NOT have any programs on their laptop that allows me to do illustrations and my JFK files are not on their computer, but rather on mine which is in the shop. I hope you can understand this message because if you don't, then I don't know how to make it any simpler. Your inability to grasp this simple explanation may be why you are not invited to see the assassination films because you make people think that you are more interested in being a jerk than you are in being a serious researcher. dance sweet gloria, DANCE.... right now I'm imagining sitting at a desk with a portable computer, access to the internet, a ftp site or imagine this, a server someplace... From my imaginary place I created a imaginary post which made to the forum with image attachments or imagine this, a LINK... so, many of us have been doing just that for years, on other related and non-related boards -- so, put up your material or simply move on, your embarassing the 6th Floor Museum..... Did my imaginery post make it to the forum? Looks like it. Ain't science grand?

Wrong, Duncan. The prints that you used are being said to not be good enough for you to get the lines in the right place. Your position is like the one Miles had when he wanted to argue that until someone posted the view from the Hudson location to the tower - then he must be correct. That theory was wrong - dead wrong! You - Miles - or Chris pool your money together and for a mere couple of hundred bucks ... one of you can be flown to Dallas ... go in a visit Mack - see his prints - and post their observations on the forum. So far from what I have gathered ... not a one of you have bothered to call the Museum to even see if they have better images and what they show. Mack is good enough to pull them up and look at them for you, then you bitch that they aren't laid in your hands. Its not your fault for having crap images to work with, but it is your fault for trying to argue them against better prints. If you think Mack is lying ... like was asserted over the view from the steps that he was good enough to relay to us and was proven right, then go to the plaza and call him on it. It must get pretty frustrating for Gary to read the stupid things said on this forum when he deals with so many people who actually go to the plaza to inquire about his source materials, while others choose to remain armchair researchers who are satisfied with using poor images so to make claims that are simply based on sloppy unreliable research practices. you have access to the images and you don't deliver? - That means you got something to hide -- or, the imagery simply doesn't back up your position....

This has got to get better. Tim Miller, of course, is our friend who dropped by to visit and promote his books, including a Warren Report with a new intro by Ford, and Miller pleading that he really does believe in a conspiracy. Then he left in a huff and a puff without even leaving John Simkin a copy. Now let me get this part straight. Miller has never published anything else before, gets Ford to sign 4,000 copies, apparently the last thing he died before he "crokes," as the story so aptly puts it, then after failing to drum up any book sales here Miller desides to buy a plug from Don Imus, whose claim to fame is defaming the Rutgers (Jersey) women's basketball team on national tv. Then Miller is surprised that the plug backfires, and Imus ridicules both him and Ford, Flastsigned Press.com gets millions of hits but nobody buys the book, and Miller parlays Imus into a soon-to-be-thrown-out-of-court lawsuit filed pro bono by his brother in law that gets Miller an additional fifteen minutes of publicity. And maybe somebody will buy the book, personally signed by the late, and only former President of the United States elected by the people of the fourteenth legislative district of Michigan. Maybe the book will sell if it came with a custom made, official ceremonial, gold enlaid and platinum, decorative china plate with inlaid with a photo of Ford and Elvis. Or take a full page out in the NYT. Or get Bob Vernon to shill for him. BK LMAO....your last sentence should read *Or take a full page out in the NYT, and get Bob Vernon to shill for him*.

Miller dronned: [...] what-a-excuse, NOW Miller can't create a illustration, what a joke. (man, Gary Mack sure hits this thread a lot, must be catching up on the new employees posting)

It certainly didn't take long for Conway to see that mistake for I know for a fact that she wouldn't lower her conference to the level of the Jerry Springer Show so to have you on the bill at this time. And, how would you know such a thing, or anything for a FACT if you weren't pulling Lancer strings -- you can tell me, I won't say a word to anyone..... So, how much did you invest in the new and improved Lancer board?

More from the jerk that says he believes the Zfilm is altered and says there is no sign of alteration to the Zfilm ... all in the same thread. And you wonder why you are not invited to see the assassination films at the Museum !!! no place to run nor hide, wild Bill -- time to put up or shut up.... Actually, I was invited by Lancer to speak at one of the anniversary get togethers, way back when on that VERY subject. Unfortunately I was working out of country at the time and had to pass. I recall mentioning in passing mentioning to a few at the time"beware of charlatans", their on the way.... Disinfo agents dressed in researcher clothing.... Seems I had a premonition you were headed our direction.... I was right, AGAIN <sigh> p.s. the alleged in-camera Zapruder Film (located at NARA IS altered) now, WHY do you think someone would want to do a thing like that, Bill? Feel free to start another thread discussing the issue, no sense in mucking up this thread with your ravings concerning the Z-film