Jamey Flanagan

Something has always troubled me about the whole episode with Bonnie Ray Williams eating his lunch on the sixth floor as late as 12:20. Are we really expected to believe that this highly planned out assassination hinged on just hoping this guy would leave the floor before the motorcade arrived? I read in the very same article I cited from the MF website that the lunch remains from Bonnie Ray Williams were only half eaten. I think there is a high probability that someone interrupted him and had him leave the floor, possibly with a threat. Anyone else have any ideas or suspicions about this?

This is from the Mary Ferrell website: A witness to Given’s statement was a secret service agent named Mike Howard. Howard related his account to Fort Worth Star Telegram reporter, Thayer Waldo, on 9 February 1964, apparently unaware that Waldo was a newsman. According to Waldo, "Mike Howard then explained that the negro witness had been arrested in the past by the Special Services office of the Dallas Police for gambling; and, since he was familiar with that branch of the Dallas Police, he immediately gave himself up to that branch. Mr. Howard alleged that he had visited the negro witness while he was in custody of the Special Services in the Dallas Jail." Waldo quotes Agent Howard as saying, "Wait till that old black boy gets up in front of the Warren Commission and tells his story. That will settle everything. Yes, sir. He was right there on the same floor, looking out the next window; and, after the first shot, he looked and saw Oswald, and then he ran. I saw him in the Dallas Police station. He was still the scaredest n I ever seen. I heard him tell the officer, "Man you don't know how fast fast is, because you didn't see me run that day." He said he ran and hid behind the boxes because he was afraid that Oswald would shoot him." (CE 2516

Every time I watch the movie Eight Men Out, which is about the fixed world series in 1919, and I see that scene with reporters just as the series is about to start keeping a scorecard of mistakes and errors made by Chicago White Socks players to see who was in on the fix I can't help but think of the JFK assassination and the secret service. I've heard certain names throughout the years brought up as being in on the fix as in the assassination plot and some debated whether they were or not. I'm hoping Vince Palamara will chime in on this post because I would love to see his opinion on who he definitely thinks had foreknowledge of the plot, who simply covered up after the fact, and who in the secret service he thinks was not involved in any way and tried to get some of the truth out in their own subtle way. I know Vince would definitely count Floyd Boring in as having foreknowledge. And given his actions (or inaction) I'd find it hard to believe the driver Greer wasn't involved. Some like Kellerman I'm iffy about. I would love to see which agents Mr. Palamara would definitively say were in on it.

Just curious cause I haven't been on in awhile, but is there any set release date or time period in sight for the new Lifton book? I know he's a contributor here when he finds the time. Anyone heard any recent info on this long awaited book? I think last I heard him talk about it was a couple years ago on Night Fright.

Just wanted to see who all on this board was familiar with Q Anon and this theory that JFK Jr faked his own death and is working with Trump to take down the cabal. It sounds pretty far fetched but there are quite a few intriguing rabbit holes one can go down on this subject! One theory is that JFK Jr is Q. If you look at an aerial view of JFK's grave site it is in the shape of a Q pretty much. Just food for thought! Was just curious if any board members had any thoughts on Q.

Is the link. And by no means am I supporting this guy as a witness or his statements. He says he had no part in the actual assassination aside from making fake secret service and CIA credentials. He says the information about the actual assassination was provided to him by Wallace. Even if his story is true or mostly true I question several things about the information he was provided. He was told that Harry Weatherford was a shooter from the rooftop as many have speculated but also says officer Roger Craig was with that rooftop team as well which I find hard to believe. His comment about Martinez possibly being the polka dot dress lady was really the thing that caught my attention. I was hoping to find a pic to see whether there was any resemblance to the sketch of the polka dot dress lady. I've heard the theories of Kathy Ainsworth or Shirin Khan being her but pics I've found of them just didn't look close enough to me to really lean in that direction for sure.

Just curious if anyone has a picture of the Ruth or Ruth Ann Martinez whose name comes up in JFK assassination conversation from time to time? I was listening to an interview on YouTube with a guy who was proclaiming involvement with the mafia back during the assassination and a few years before that. Anyway, he's naming the assassination teams and locations he claims he had been told of by Mac Wallace and she was one of them. I'm not sure if I had heard her name before, but what caught my attention was he then added that she may have been the girl in the polka dot dress at the RFK assassination. I'm a student of that assassination as well and was wanting to compare pics of her with the sketch drawn of the polka dot dress lady. I started to post this in the RFK forum but most of the posts there were several years old and her name is familiar to JFK assassination buffs as well. I googled her name but never could find a pic.Thanks in advance for any helpful info!

I've attached said pic and I was just curious if anyone could tell me where exactly in the Plaza this was taken and at what time. I had heard on a radio program via YouTube that Saint John said the tramp often identified as his father wasn't him but that he has identified this individual as his father. Thanks in advance for any info!

Just curious Mr. Lifton, do you have a definitive release date yet on Final Charade? I believe the last I heard was your Night Fright appearance I think this past fall and you said it would be at least one year. Any definitive or estimated release date on that?

Just thought I'd post my latest song I've written. It's just a quick rough take I did last night but I thought some of you might enjoy it. The inspiration came to me when I got to thinking about JFK 2: The Bush Connection. I'm sure most of you are familiar with this documentary. Early on he talks about how the people who killed Kennedy will have more to say about him and his legacy than he will. This put in my mind the concept of heroes and villains, losers (those they eliminate) and winners (the bag guys who win at all costs). After coming up with the chorus and initial idea I wrote a lengthy post on Facebook about this concept. I talked about how the 9/11 first responders we celebrated as heroes weren't exactly treated like heroes by our government. They were told the air was safe for breathing, denied medical coverage, etc. And then I discussed the systematic slaughter of nearly an entire race of people, the Native Americans. How Hitler was vilified, and rightly so, for doing the same thing yet we put Andrew Jackson's face on the $20 bill and study how great he was in high school history class. And how most likely Oswald had penetrated the assassination attempt and was trying to stop it yet he is the one they blamed for it. That's a pretty good measuring stick about someone's character. The real heroes are murdered. Like Jesus. And not comparing the two by any means, but JFK. Lincoln. Bobby Kennedy. MLK. People who really seek out change and peace and have genuine love for their fellow man are a threat to the powers that be. While the villains, the bad guys get honored and placed upon a pedestal. I have been aiming to record a song I wrote maybe 7 or 8 years ago that is directly about the Kennedys. It's called Should've Never Left Boston. I sing of how maybe they might still be alive if they hadn't left "Boston" politics but always come back to the fact that even though they were killed we are still better off for having leaders like this even ever so briefly. Anyway, I hope those who listen enjoy. Thanks!

Wow! I never thought I'd agree with DVP but I do 100% in this matter!

Just watched a VERY interesting YouTube video that ties in with this thread. You have to get a good ways into it but they talk about programs such as TMWKK being produced by the CIA and all of the red herrings contained therein as disinformation. Worth a watch if you have an hour or so of free time. I listen to docs at work on my Bluetooth ear buds.

I thought the Tom Wilson stuff was VERY fascinating! The 3D scans to create a replica of the head wound (wounds) and the scans of the autopsy pics showing how they used mortician's wax to cover up the frontal wound in the right temporal area. I saw nothing to denounce his findings unless you think he was way off base with his conclusion that the frontal headshot was fired from the sewer drain. I'm open to the possibility. Garrison studied that possibility himself during his investigation leading up to the trial of Clay Shaw. This was one of the only times I've seen computer technology used in the assassination. A step in the right direction. So much is possible today with computer programs. We could take all of the pics and video and put them into a computer that can remember the data contained in each one and combine them all to make a recreation of the assassination. Assuming all the data matches up. And if not then we have verifiable proof that pics and video were manipulated.

That's what gets lost on most people. The shadow government had a special kind of contempt for the Kennedys. They had plenty of blackmail material on JFK. They could have went another route to get rid of the Kennedys but chose not to. Watergate was possibly a bloodless coup to remove Nixon. The bankers plot to seize power from FDR that only failed thanks to Smeadley Butler. They wanted to kill him in the most brutal fashion to send a message. And only covered it up enough to avoid prosecution. But left trails of bread crumbs for those in the know to follow and see what happens to those who cross them.

Excuse me if I'm wrong but didn't Zavada also rule the autopsy photos as unaltered? If that is the case then I put no stock whatsoever in his professional opinion. I saw an interview he did and all of a sudden out of nowhere he starts bashing the film JFK saying that the only truth in the film was that the President was assassinated. So right there we see his preconceived mindset. Which the authenticity of the Z film has little bearing on if there was a conspiracy and multiple shots. Not that authenticity isn't important but meaning even if the current Z film was authentic then a conspiracy is still obvious.

I have another question for you Michael Walton. Do you think any of the assassination films or photographs were tampered with? Not even talking about the autopsy photos, just of the assassination itself or Dealey Plaza just before or just after actual shots were fired. Because careful analysis of the visual "evidence" of the various films and photographs shows discrepancies amongst each other. Remember, if they were tampered with then those doing the alterations are gonna focus primarily on the limo and getting those matched up. Therefore many of the discrepancies between them have to do with the crowd. One may show a certain number of people in one area, another shows a completely different number. You may see spectators in one but not see them in another supposedly taken at the exact same time. One may show all white people while another shows some white and some black. And so on and so on. So I'm just curious as to whether you believe any of the visual records of the actual assassination scene have been altered. I want to thank everyone for this discussion. Debate is healthy. And always keep an open mind but follow where the evidence leads you instead of having preconceived notions.

Exactly Rick McTague! I think in this instance with all of the evidence tampering go back and really pay attention to the closest witnesses at the time. Especially when there are corroborating witnesses. Only in the past decade or so has it been a popular belief that the current Z film isn't authentic. Some still stick to their guns, especially when they have staked their careers on theories that revolve around the Z film timeline of events. But I would say that these days the majority of serious researchers know that it has been altered. How many witnesses in the past have been dismissed entirely because what they said and lo and behold the film showed completely different events. In the words of Yoda "You must unlearn what you have learned" 😀 We need to go back to the basics. To the beginning. Pour over first day testimony that we can consider truths knowing that the alterations exist.

Thanks for the response! I am a big fan of your work! There needs to be a comprehensive series on the assassination in the style of TMWKK. It would most likely need to be released via Netflix however after the "Guilty Men" debacle on the "History" channel. Any mention of the Bush connection would get passed over by mainstream media networks.

I think new episodes are way overdue in this series. I know it's not perfect and has it's flaws but it helped get SO many people involved in the research community. The purpose of this thread is to inquire as to what subjects would need to be covered most if there were 2 to 3 new episodes? I think a whole episode should be devoted to film and photographic evidence authenticity and anamolies contained therein. Included in this would be Doug Horne's fine work on the Z-film chain of custody. I would LOVE to see an episode going deeply into the Bush family connection to the assassination. Analysis of the mystery guy in front of the TSBD who is the spitting image of George Sr, the various FBI memos naming Bush, his connection to the Bay Of Pigs invasion, the states of Texas and Florida where it just so happens two of the 3 plots where to be carried out. Maybe even do a split episode in this with the JFK hit ties to Watergate and Nixon seeing as how Bush was RNC chairman and then CIA director under Ford. I would also like to see an entire Harvey And Lee episode. I know this subject is divisive amongst researchers but Armstrong's work is extensive whether you believe it or not. You could show both sides of the case for it or against it. Those would be my 3 new episodes just off the top of my head. I want to know what yours would be. So, with that I'll sit back and enjoy the discussion.

Excellent observations David Josephs! In both of your posts! And some of the anomalies in the film and photographic "evidence" make it all too apparent that they were tampered with. If you look at Clint Hill's right wrist and hand I think it was as he's climbing on the limo, or reaching for it to climb on, his wrist and hand are abnormally long. Not even getting into the "prayer man" or "Oswald in the doorway" debate there are SO many oddities and abnormalities in Altgens 6. People with oversized features or inhumanly big heads, the strange looking baby, and various misplaced looking people and objects that were possibly put in place to hide something or someone they didn't want to be seen. You have people in Zapruder looking ahead after the limo has passed them as if they are there to see the follow up car 😂😂😂 Moorman not in the street taking her famous pic. I could go on all day.

So, let me ask you this Michael Walton, and not condescendingly but really wanting to know. Is it of your opinion that the current Zapruder film has not been doctored in any way other than the "Oops, we accidentally damaged the film in these spots"? And if that is your honest opinion then we must assume that you think Zapruder was either lying or "misremembering" when he said he started filming and never stopped and started back. And that you believe there are no limo stops whatsoever unless you count a very slight, almost imperceptible breaking. And Greer turns his head back twice in the span of an eighteenth of a second or possible twice that time. Am I correct so far? If you are questionable about any of that and the film has been doctored in any way and for any reason then why wouldn't it be a reasonable leap of logic to question anything and everything about the film? So much of what is seen in the film has NEVER been described by eyewitness accounts. I have yet to hear an eyewitness describe the violent backwards head snap seen on film. That would be kind of hard to miss. And the fact that the spray of blood and brains from the fatal headshot (or headshots if you ascribe to the two shot there from behind and then a frontal) dissipates in record time. What is it seen for? One frame? Two? Enough brain matter and blood to splatter Jackie and the rear motorcycle officer? Just curious as to your thoughts on those issues?

Just a thought. There have been many people who have claimed to have seen an unaltered complete filming of the assassination. Whether it was filmed by Zapruder or is a completely different film I'll still refer to it in this thread as an unaltered Zapruder film or UZ for short. So here is my question. Has anyone ever taken into account aspects of these similar reported viewings, combined them with witness accounts in Dealey Plaza (especially those closest to the limo at the time shots were fired) and tried making a computer simulation of this unaltered film (if it exists, which I believe it does) complete with the wide limo turn almost running over the curb and the limo stops that are missing in the current films of the assassination? You could also use information from other assassination films and photographs such as the Nix film and others which have also been altered but contain information not in the current Z film as the alterations can't match up perfectly in all films and photographs. Take those common elements that match up in those different mediums as kind of a basis or blueprint of what really happened but add in events such as the stops or near stops, the wide turn, the Stemmons sign as it should have appeared (at an angle, not the flat large sign blocking the limo for the throat shot) using pre-assassination pics, if the sign was hit by ammo show that, UM furiously pumping his umbrella, DCM or "the accomplice" and his more dramatic movements and actions, and everyone (viewers of the UZ as well as the closest witnesses) says the dramatic backward head snap never occurred so you'd have to use witness observations and find out what most likely really happened. We NEED a more accurate, the MOST accurate representation of what really happened during that ambush. It may not be perfect but has to be better than the false history we have from the current assassination visual records. To me this would be a gigantic step in the right direction. A visual representation based on actual data and corroborating accounts as to what most likely occurred during the ambush. Thoughts anyone? I welcome all opinions on this matter.

I can't exactly pinpoint when I became interested in the JFK assassination but it was shortly before the movie JFK came out in theatres. When it was released I was already familiar with some of the CT arguments. If the mock trial of Lee Harvey Oswald was before the release of the stone film then that might account for some of my knowledge of the case. I think a TV special called the JFK conspiracy came out before it too that may have been narrated by James Earl Jones. I saw it. I am 36 now, about to turn 37 so I was 12, about to turn 13 when I went to opening night of JFK. My mom had to give her permission at the front desk for me to watch the R rated film. My future High School History teacher was in attendance as well and I think he always liked me for having seen me at the viewing. Some of my favorite books on the case are Garrison's On The Trail Of The Assassins, Lifton's Best Evidence, Judyth Vary Baker's Me And Lee, and Lane's Rush To Judgment. I am very knowledgeable of the case and would love to communicate with others about certain aspects especially those with first hand experiences. I live in a small town in Alabama.