Roger DeLaria

Earlier today on my local public radio station, I heard a short promo about the JFK assassination, and the radio person said the person they would be talking to tomorrow is Shenon. 

Oh dear, I can already see what that's going to be like. Life is like a box of chocolates.......

Jim, that would be good if you and Talbot could get on NPR for some balance.

2 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Lois Liggett and her daughter state that the were on the run, driving south from Dallas to Corpus Christie from Saturday 11-23 Into Sunday, 11-24. They state that John Liggett was in a panic until he watched Jack Ruby kill LHO on TV. He then calmed down and said it was ok to return home. 

This part of their story is of great interest to me. If anyone believes that this part of their story is bunk, that would, likewise, be important to me.

Lois Liggett always seemed credible to me. Her words and demeanor don't show me otherwise. 

22 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

I think the financing came from Texas, possibly the same guys that funded Operation 40

I tend to think Brown & Root/Halliburton, Big Texas Oil. Some other energy/defense interests. They were certainly big supporters of LBJ. Those entities and LBJ certainly had an interest in Kennedy being removed.

If the purpose of the "clean-up squad" is to eliminate people who have knowledge of a conspiracy, recruiting people into a "clean-up squad" is a counter-productive activity. Each person recruited becomes yet another person who has knowledge of a conspiracy and might "spill the beans."

Not if the hired guns don't know why someone is being eliminated. They would have no reason to know. They would not be told and wouldn't ask. They're just being paid to do a job. 

On 6/29/2017 at 0:43 AM, Steve Thomas said:

Ron,

 

You might also consider Lyman Lemnitzer. 

http://www.progressivepress.com/blog-entry/50-years-after-jfk-murder-finger-finally-points-pentagon-chief-lemnitzer

 

Steve Thomas

Thanks Steve, that looks good, I think I'm going to pick that up as well.

I could see Lemnitzer using Lansdale through Dulles to orchestrate Dallas. I never really gave much thought to Lemnitzer before. Sounds interesting.

2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Roger, don't forget that in those days the government was operating on dedicated phone exchanges established in major cities, and there were secure connections to military installations.  So - no public record, and any record that was maintained could still be designated Classified.  Has anyone sought assassination-period telecommunications records through FOIA?.

David,

Ok, dedicated phone lines and no public record makes sense, I didn't realize that.

2 hours ago, George Sawtelle said:

Roger

Lymnitzer was Eisenhower's sycophant beginning when he was Eisenhower's staff officer during World War ll. He had no power even when he was chief of the JCS. He always deferred to Eisenhower.

Lansdale being CIA had no power over the military.

It could have been the air force general since his forcefull personality may have prevailed over the army general.

Anyway whoever it was had to go through the commander of the colonel.

Lansdale wore a Air Force uniform, and didn't he have the rank of Major General, courtesy of Dulles pulling some strings? I remember hearing Prouty talking about that somewhere.

How many people really knew that Lansdale was working for the CIA? I'd guess very few. Prouty, maybe a few others?

13 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Lemnitzer, Lansdale, Le May, someone held sway that day over or within the military.  Something I've not seen mentioned anywhere in a while;  U S army soldiers were prepared and ready to leave Fort Hood, North of Austin early that morning to protect their Commander in Chief that day in Dallas.  This was not unusual, pictures and I believe video can be or used to could be found on the internet of armed soldiers in parade dress lining parade routes facing the crowds in previous JFK parades.  Someone ordered these soldiers to stand down.  Their immediate commander was incensed and protested, he was ordered to stand down himself.  From memory, maybe even as far back as Crossfire 1.  I'm not making it up or dreaming.  

In Oliver Stone's JFK, during the Mr. X scene, Mr. X(based on Prouty), someone called the unit commander(Col. Reich?) and told them to stand down. Mr. X said "Who could have made that call? That call could have come from someone like my commander Gen. Y(Lansdale). 

Could Lansdale have made that call? Is there any kind of record of a call? No one seems to know. No surprise on that one.

Prouty believed that Lansdale managed/orchestrated Dallas, and I tend to agree with that. It was certainly within Lansdale's forte, and he would certainly have the right connections and known the right people. And Lansdale was Dulles' guy, so......

Prouty said that the important part of the CIA is the word "Agency". An agency does the work/job that a client/s bring to it. 

14 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Every now and then I still stumble across something that that makes me go Huh?  Most times it's ignorance, my lack of deeper knowledge of a subject.

I've read somewhere that Dulles was in Dallas a month or so before the assassination promoting his book.  That this was unusual in that he visited very few cities promoting his book (a half dozen?) and that he had been to Texas never or once or twice in his life.

Now it turns out he was in Texas less than a month before the assassination and that he visited three of the cities JFK did on 11/22.

What the hell was the erudite East Coast Establishment former director of the CIA fired by JFK doing in Cowtown promoting his book to the Friends of the Fort Worth Library?  Other than the Basses, Richardson, Carters and a few other oil millionaires who would buy his book?  Not many with privileges at the library would even read it if given to them.

Did the Fort Wroth Star Telegram report on his visit?

Did Dulles visit with his former subordinate General Cabell also fired by JFK or his brother the Mayor while in Dallas?

Though I don't remember when he was there God Bless former Star Telegram reporter Jim Marrs for carrying on.                                              

I thought I read somewhere that Dulles also visited with LBJ during that time in Dallas.

My father got the orders to go to Vietnam before I was born. He didn't talk about his tour there much, but told me some things years later when I was older. 

He told me a story about a bullet flying a mere couple of inches from his head. He said he never forgot that sound.

9 minutes ago, Michael Walton said:

Your photo shows the spilled Coke on the ground.  The other photo shows the cops with the bags of food. Sitzman states what she saw.  She obviously was not watching them every single second as the car came down the street and sped on - who knows, they may have stood up or leaned on the wall to get a closer look as the car approached as seen in that photo known as Dog Man.

Finally, from a plausible point of view, I cannot imagine the planners would put shooters or whoever that obvious and out in the open.  If the plan was to frame LHO by making up the 6th floor nest with throw down spent shells, then they'd have to have been the dumbest plotters in the world by putting some shooters or whoever that obvious down there.

There's absolutely no way that planners putting together an operation like this would have shooters out in the open.

Following tradecraft, the shooters would be like ghosts, no one would ever see them. But you would know they were there.

My dad was a career man in the Air Force for 20yrs. Near the end of his military service, he got sent over to Vietnam when my sister was a baby and I was on the way. I was born when he was there, and he didn't see me until I was 9-10mos old. He was exposed to agent orange like many of the guys over there, which we think directly contributed to health issues years later. He never talked about his Vietnam tour much, until years later, and he really didn't say alot.

Pretty well said there, Joe. LBJ's power and corruption are mind boggling. And don't forget his allies like HL Hunt, Ed Clark, DH Byrd. Ans then you also have The Suite 8F group.

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

I don't recall seeing in print or hearing in interviews, any major JFK researchers taking a firm yes or no stance on the Dealey Plaza 11,22,1963 photo purported to show Ed Lansdale walking by the police escorted "Tramps" which Fletcher Prouty clearly believed was him.

If this photo is truly of Landsdale, then wouldn't his presence there in the middle of the crime scene be a powerfully convincing indication as to his major involvement in it's planning and execution?  Of course it would. And wasn't this operational aspect of covert action his forte?

So who did Lansdale answer to at that time and right after?

Was the suspected Lansdale Dealey Plaza photo ever analyzed by credible identification experts? Or has no one ever committed the time and money to that endeavor?

My own take ( admittedly totally untrained ) on that well known photo and comparing it to every photo of Lansdale I could find on the internet tells me it is him. Of course I am swayed by Fletcher Prouty's interview take on this and his letter from Victor Krulak's also affirming his belief that the photo does indeed show Lansdale. 

Joe,

I happen to believe Prouty and Krulak that it is Lansdale, they knew him very well. Lansdale wore an Air Force uniform, but according to Prouty I read somewhere, he was really working for the CIA, answering to Dulles. Even though Dulles was out at that point, I don't know that matters much, as I think a lot of the old Asia hands were very loyal to him. Look at what Lansdale orchestrated in Vietnam, moving 1mil + Vietnamese and creating that whole mess. 

Here's a letter from Prouty.org from Prouty to Garrison with a lot of of good info.

March 6, 1990 

Dear Jim, 

It is amazing how things work, I am at home recuperating from a major back operation (to regain my ability to walk); so I was tossing around in bed last night...not too comfortable...and I began to think of Garrison. I thought, "I have got to write Jim a letter detailing how I believe the whole job was done." 

By another coincidence I had received a fine set of twenty photos from the Sprague collection in Springfield, Mass. As the odds would have it, he is now living just around the corner here in Alexandria. Why not? Lansdale lived here, Fensterwald lives here, Ford used to live here. Quite a community. 

I was studying those photos. One of them is the "Tramps" picture that appears in your book. It is glossy and clear. Lansdale is so clearly identifiable. Why, Lansdale in Dallas? The others don't matter, they are nothing but actors and not gunmen but they are interesting. Others who knew Lansdale as well as I did, have said the same thing, "That's him and what's he doing there?" 

As I was reading the paper the Federal Express man came with a book from Jim, that unusual "Lansdale" book. A terrible biography. There could be a great biography about Lansdale. He's no angel; but he is worth a good biography. Currey, a paid hack, did the job. His employers ought to have let him do it right. 

I had known Ed since 1952 in the Philippines. I used to fly there regularly with my MATS Heavy Transport Squadron. As a matter of fact, in those days we used to fly wounded men, who were recuperating, from hospitals in Japan to Saigon for R&R on the beaches of Cap St Jacque. That was 1952-1953. Saigon was the Paris of the Orient. And Lansdale was "King Maker" of the Philippines. We always went by way of Manila. I met his team. 

He had arrived in Manila in Sept 1945, after the war was over, for a while. He had been sent back there in 1950 by the CIA(OPC) to create a new leader of the Philippines and to get rid of Querino. Sort of like the Marcos deal, or the Noriega operation. Lansdale did it better. I have overthrown a government but I didn't splash it all around like Reagan and Bush have done. Now, who sent him there? 

Who sent him there in 1950 (Truman era) to do a job that was not done until 1953 (Ike era)? From 1950 to Feb. 1953 the Director of Central Intelligence was Eisenhower's old Chief of Staff, Gen Walter Bedell Smith. Smith had been Ambassador to Moscow from 1946 to 1949. The lesser guys in the CIA at the time were Allen Dulles, who was Deputy Director Central Intelligence from Aug. 1951 to Feb. 1953. Frank Wisner became the Deputy Director, Plans (Clandestine Activities) when Dulles became DDCI. Lansdale had to have received his orders from among these four men: Truman, Smith, Dulles, and Wisner. Of course the Sec State could have had some input...i.e. Acheson. Who wanted Querino out, that badly? Who wanted HUKS there? 

In Jan 1953 Eisenhower arrived. John Foster Dulles was at State and Gen Smith his Deputy. Allen Dulles was the DCI and General Cabel his deputy. None of them changed Lansdale's prior orders to "get" Querino. Lansdale operated with abandon in the Philippines. The Ambassador and the CIA Station Chief, George Aurell, did not know what he was doing. They believed he was some sort of kook Air Force Officer there...a role Lansdale played to the hilt. Magsaysay became President, Dec 30, 1953. 

With all of this on the record, and a lot more, this guy Currey comes out of the blue with this purported "Biography". I knew Ed well enough and long enough to know that he was a classic chameleon. He would tell the truth sparingly and he would fabricate a lot. Still, I can not believe that he told Currey the things Currey writes. Why would Lansdale want Currey to perpetuate such out and out bullxxxx about him? Can't be. This is a terribly fabricated book. It's not even true about me. I believe that this book was ordered and delineated by the CIA. 

At least I know the truth about myself and about Gen. Krulak. Currey libels us terribly. In fact it may be Krulak who caused the book to be taken off the shelves. Krulak and his Copley Press cohorts have the power to get that done, and I encouraged them to do just that when it first came out. Krulak was mad! 

Ed told me many a time how he operated in the Philippines. He said, "All I had was a blank checkbook signed by the U.S. government". He made friends with many influential Filipinos. I have met Johnny Orendain and Col Valeriano, among others, in Manila with Lansdale. He became acquainted with the wealthiest Filipino of them all, Soriano. Currey never even mentions him. Soriano set up Philippine Airlines and owned the big San Miguel beer company, among other things. Key man in Asia. 

Lansdale's greatest strategy was to create the "HUKS" as the enemy and to make Magsaysay the "Huk Killer." He would take Magsaysay's battalion out into a "Huk" infested area. He would use movies and "battlefield" sound systems, i.e. fireworks to scare the poor natives. Then one-half of Magsaysay's battalion, dressed as natives, would "attack" the village at night. They'd fire into the air and burn some shacks. In the morning the other half, in uniform, would attack and "capture" the "Huks". They would bind them up in front of the natives who crept back from the forests, and even have a "firing" squad "kill" some of them. Then they would have Magsaysay make a big speech to the people and the whole battalion would roll down the road to have breakfast together somewhere...ready for the next "show". 

Ed would always see that someone had arranged to have newsmen and camera men there and Magsaysay soon became a national hero. This was a tough game and Ed bragged that a lot of people were killed; but in the end Magsaysay became the "elected" President and Querino was ousted "legally." 

This formula endeared Ed to Allen Dulles. In 1954 Dulles established the Saigon Military Mission in Vietnam...counter to Eisenhower's orders. He had the French accept Lansdale as its chief. This mission was not in Saigon. It was not military, and its job was subversion in Vietnam. Its biggest job was that it got more than 1,100,000 northern Vietnamese to move south. 660,000 by U.S.Navy ships and the rest by CIA airline planes. These 1,100,000 north Vietnamese became the "subversive" element in South Vietnam and the principal cause of the warmaking. Lansdale and his cronies (Bohanon, Arundel, Phillips, Hand, Conein and many others) did all that using the same check book. I was with them many times during 1954. All Malthuseanism. 

I have heard him brag about capturing random Vietnamese and putting them in a Helicopter. Then they would work on them to make them "confess" to being Viet Minh. When they would not, they would toss them out of the chopper, one after the other, until the last ones talked. This was Ed's idea of fun...as related to me many times. Then Dulles, Adm. Radford and Cardinal Spellman set up Ngo Dinh Diem. He and his brother, Nhu, became Lansdale proteges. 

At about 1957 Lansdale was brought back to Washington and assigned to Air Force Headquarters in a Plans office near mine. He was a fish out of water. He didn't know Air Force people and Air Force ways. After about six months of that, Dulles got the Office of Special Operations under General Erskine to ask for Lansdale to work for the Secretary of Defense. Erskine was man enough to control him. 

By 1960 Erskine had me head the Air Force shop there. He had an Army shop and a Navy shop and we were responsible for all CIA relationships as well as for the National Security Agency. Ed was still out of his element because he did not know the services; but the CIA sent work his way. 

Then in the Fall of 1960 something happened that fired him up. Kennedy was elected over Nixon. Right away Lansdale figured out what he was going to do with the new President. Overnight he left for Saigon to see Diem and to set up a deal that would make him, Lansdale, Ambassador to Vietnam. He had me buy a "Father of his Country" gift for Diem...$700.00. 

I can't repeat all of this but you should get a copy of the Gravel edition, 5 Vol.'s, of the Pentagon Papers and read it. The Lansdale accounts are quite good and reasonably accurate. 

Ed came back just before the Inauguration and was brought into the White House for a long presentation to Kennedy about Vietnam. Kennedy was taken by it and promised he would have Lansdale back in Vietnam "in a high office". Ed told us in OSO he had the Ambassadorship sewed up. He lived for that job. 

He had not reckoned with some of JFK's inner staff, George Ball, etc. Finally the whole thing turned around and month by month Lansdale's star sank over the horizon. Erskine retired and his whole shop was scattered. The Navy men went back to the navy as did the Army folks. Gen Wheeler in the JCS asked to have me assigned to the Joint Staff. This wiped out the whole Erskine (Office of Special Operations) office. It was comical. There was Lansdale up there all by himself with no office and no one else. He boiled and he blamed it on Kennedy for not giving him the "promised" Ambassadorship to let him "save" Vietnam. 

Then with the failure of the Bay of Pigs, caused by that phone call to cancel the air strikes by McGeorge Bundy, the military was given the job of reconstituting some sort of Anti-Castro operation. It was headed by an Army Colonel; but somehow Lansdale (most likely CIA influence) got put into the plans for Operation Mongoose...to get Castro...ostensibly. 

The U.S. Army has a think-tank at American University. It was called "Operation Camelot". This is where the "Camelot" concept came from. It was anti-JFK's Vietnam strategy. The men running it were Lansdale types, Special Forces background. "Camelot" was King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table: not JFK...then. 

Through 1962 and 1963 Mongoose and "Camelot" became strong and silent organizations dedicated to countering JFK. Mongoose had access to the CIA's best "hit men" in the business and a lot of "strike" capability. Lansdale had many old friends in the media business such as Joe Alsop, Henry Luce among others. With this background and with his poisoned motivation I am positive that he got collateral orders to manage the Dallas event under the guise of "getting" Castro. It is so simple at that level. A nod from the right place, source immaterial, and the job's done. 

The "hit" is the easy part. The "escape" must be quick and professional. The cover-up and the scenario are the big jobs. They more than anything else prove the Lansdale mastery. 

Lansdale was a master writer and planner. He was a great "scenario" guy. It still have a lot of his personally typed material in my files. I am certain that he was behind the elaborate plan and mostly the intricate and enduring cover-up. Given a little help from friends at PEPSICO he could easily have gotten Nixon into Dallas, for "orientation': and LBJ in the cavalcade at the same time, contrary to Secret Service policy. 

He knew the "Protection" units and the "Secret Service", who was needed and who wasn't. Those were routine calls for him, and they would have believed him. Cabell could handle the police. 

The "hit men" were from CIA overseas sources, for instance, from the "Camp near Athena, Greece. They are trained, stateless, and ready to go at any time. They ask no questions: speak to no one. They are simply told what to do, when and where. Then they are told how they will be removed and protected. After all, they work for the U.S. Government. The "Tramps" were actors doing the job of cover-up. The hit men are just pros. They do the job for the CIA anywhere. They are impersonal. They get paid. They get protected, and they have enough experience to "blackmail" anyone, if anyone ever turns on them...just like Drug agents. The job was clean, quick and neat. No ripples. 

The whole story of the POWER of the Cover-up comes down to a few points. There has never been a Grand Jury and trial in Texas. Without a trial there can be nothing. Without a trial it does no good for researchers to dig up data. It has no place to go and what the researchers reveal just helps make the cover-up tighter, or they eliminate that evidence and the researcher. 

The first man LBJ met with on Nov 29th, after he had cleared the foreign dignitaries out of Washington was Waggoner Carr, Atty Gen'l, Texas to tell him, "No trial in Texas...ever." 

The next man he met, also on Nov 29th, was J. Edgar Hoover. The first question LBJ asked his old "19 year" neighbor in DC was "Were THEY shooting at me?" LBJ thought that THEY had been shooting at him also as they shot at his friend John Connally. Note that he asked, "Were THEY shooting at me?" LBJ knew there were several hitmen. That's the ultimate clue...THEY. 

The Connallys said the same thing...THEY. Not Oswald. 

Then came the heavily loaded press releases about Oswald all written before the deal and released actually before LHO had ever been charged with the crime. I bought the first newspaper EXTRA on the streets of Christchurch, New Zealand with the whole LHO story in that first news...photos and columns of it before the police in Dallas had yet to charge him with that crime. All this canned material about LHO was flashed around the world. 

Lansdale and his Time-Life and other media friends, with Valenti in Hollywood, have been doing that cover-up since Nov 1963. Even the deMorenschildt story enhances all of this. In deM's personal telephone/address notebook he had the name of an Air Force Colonel friend of mine, Howard Burrus. Burrus was always deep in intelligence. He had been in one of the most sensitive Attache spots in Europe...Switzerland. He was a close friend of another Air Force Colonel and Attache, Godfrey McHugh, who used to date Jackie Bouvier. DeM had Burrus listed under a DC telephone number and on that same telephone number he had "L.B.Johnson, Congressman." Quite a connection. Why...from the Fifties yet.? 

Godfrey McHugh was the Air Force Attache in Paris. Another most important job. I knew him well, and I transferred his former Ass't Attache to my office in the Pentagon. This gave me access to a lot of information I wanted in the Fifties. This is how I learned that McHugh's long-time special "date" was the fair Jacqueline...yes, the same Jackie Bouvier. Sen. Kennedy met Jackie in Paris when he was on a trip. At that time JFK was dating a beautiful SAS Airline Stewardess who was the date of that Ass't Attache who came to my office. JFK dumped her and stole Jackie away from McHugh. Leaves McHugh happy???? 

At the JFK Inaugural Ball who should be there but the SAS stewardess, Jackie--of course, and Col Godfrey McHugh. JFK made McHugh a General and made him his "Military Advisor" in the White House where he was near Jackie while JFK was doing all that official travelling connected with his office AND other special interests. Who recommended McHugh for the job? 

General McHugh was in Dallas and was on Air Force One, with Jackie, on the flight back to Washington..as was Jack Valenti. Why was LBJ's old cohort there at that time and why was he on Air Force One? He is now the Movie Czar. Why in Dallas? 

See how carefully all of this is interwoven. Burrus is now a very wealthy man in Washington. I have lost track of McHugh. And Jackie is doing well. All in the Lansdale--deM shadows. 

One of Lansdale's special "black" intelligence associates in the Pentagon was Dorothy Matlack of U.S. Army Intelligence. How does it happen that when deM. flew from Haiti to testify, he was met at the National Airport by Dorothy? 

The Lansdale story is endless. What people do not do is study the entire environment of his strange career. For example: the most important part of my book, "The Secret Team", is not something that I wrote. It is Appendix III under the title, "Training Under The Mutual Security Program". This is a most important bit of material. It tells more about the period 1963 to 1990 than anything. I fought to have it included verbatim in the book. This material was the work of Lansdale and his crony General Dick Stillwell. Anyone interested in the "JFK Coup d'Etat" ought to know it by heart. 

I believe this document tells why the Coup took place. It was to reverse the sudden JFK re-orientation of the U.S. Government from Asia to Europe, in keeping with plans made in 1943 at Cairo and Teheran by T.V. Soong and his Asian masterminds. Lansdale and Stillwell were long-time "Asia hands" as were Gen Erskine, Adm Radford, Cardinal Spellman, Henry Luce and so many others. 

In October 1963, JFK had just signalled this reversal, to Europe, when he published National Security Action Memorandum #263 saying...among other things...that he was taking 1000 troops home from Vietnam by Christmas 1963 and ALL AMERICANS out of Vietnam by the end of 1965. That cost him his life. 

JFK came to that "Pro-Europe" conclusion in the Summer of 1963 and sent Gen Krulak to Vietnam for advance work. Kurlak and I (with others) wrote that long "Taylor-McNamara" Report of their "Visit to Vietnam" (obviously they did not write, illustrate and bind it as they traveled). Krulak got his information daily in the White House. We simply wrote it. That led to NSAM #263. This same Trip Report is Document #142 and appears on page 751 to 766 of Vol. II of the Gravel Edition of the Pentagon Papers. NSAM #263 appears on pages 769-770 (It makes the Report official). This major Report and NSAM indicated an enormous shift in the orientation of U.S. Foreign Policy from Asia back to Europe. JFK was much more Europe- oriented, as was his father, than pro-Asia. This position was anathema to the Asia-born Luces, etc. 

There is the story from an insider. I sat in the same office with Lansdale, (OSO of OSD) for years. I listened to him in Manila and read his flurry of notes from 1952 to 1964. I know all this stuff, and much more. I could write ten books. I send this to you because I believe you are one of the most sincere of the "true researchers". You may do with it as you please. I know you will do it right. I may give copies of this to certain other people of our persuasion. (Years ago I told this to Mae Brussell on the promise she would hold it. She did.) 

Now you can see why I have always said that identification of the "Tramps" was unnecessary, i.e. they are actors. The first time I saw that picture I saw the man I knew and I realized why he was there. He caused the political world to spin on its axis. Now, back to recuperating. 

L. Fletcher Prouty 
 

4 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

I'll first point out out that the COO vs. Patsy scenario is a non-sequitor; one situation does not necessarily follow from the negation of the other. There are other options.

 

I am currently of the mind that the juggernouhgt that cultivated the assassination more resembles a spider than a snake. Moreover the legs of the spider served vastly different functions including: Execution, cover-up, messy cover-up and passive-aggressive functions. Another analogy I have been entertaining is a comparison to xylem and phloem. The point is that some of these legs would only function and be culpable in one direction, while other legs function in the reverse; 0r more precisely, pre and post asssassination. Foreknowledge is another factor but, at this point, I am pretty sure that JFK, himself, was flying on a wing and a prayer.

Right now I am seeing Dulles as being part of a phloem leg, part of the cover-up. Yet as we see all over this case, people are a hairs breath from being implicated in one way, or multiple ways. I think Dulles' proximity to some execution operatives (xylem spider legs) forced him to have no doubt as to what he needed to do  for the cover-up (as a phloem spider leg).

If Dulles was getting Dull in his old age, that would not recommend him for a position in the planning or execution of the plot, but it would or could recommend him as a point man for an operation which was meant to fail, the mission of truth and justice. Incompetence and culpability,  pre-requisites for a lead position on the WC.

Cheers,

Michael

Just my opinion, I think Dulles would have gone straight to his short-list and passed word to Ed Lansdale, much like he and John Foster used to. 

On 6/6/2017 at 9:37 AM, Ernie Lazar said:

Individuals associated with the National States Rights Party receive considerable attention in Dr. Caufield's book.  Consequently, EF readers might be interested in a new book by Michael Newton.  It is the first history ever published about the NSRP and was published in April 2017. 

http://www.mcfarlandbooks.com/contents-2.php?id=978-1-4766-6603-7

ADDENDUM:

For those who are interested, I have uploaded onto Internet Archive, two reports about NSRP:  (1) A Group Research Inc. report from April 1964 and (2) a Hunt Oil Company report based upon their private investigator research from 1966.

https://archive.org/details/@ernie1241

I'd be interested in reading that book, but it's a tad expensive for a softcover that's less than 300pgs.

Well, the driveway and walk near the front looks angled bigger/wider in the exhibit, the garage looks to be longer in the front, I don't see any indication of window locations, I don't see a concrete drainage ditch (although it just might be visible in the photo).

17 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Roger - Can't wait to hear about it.

It'll be awhile, as I'm in the middle of a very long novel.

I just received my copy of Poulgrain's The Incubus of Intervention. It took about 3 weeks coming form Singapore. 

"Like Caesar, he is surrounded by enemies and something's underway, but it has no face. Yet everybody in the loop knows.

Everything is cellularized. 

No one said, "He must die." No vote. Nothing's on paper. 

There's no one to blame. 

It's as old as the crucifixion. 

Or the military firing squad. 

Five bullets, one blank. No one's guilty. 

Everybody in the power structure... 

...has a plausible deniability. 

No compromising connections except at the most secret point. 

But it must succeed. 

No matter how many die or how much it costs... 

...the perpetrators must be on the winning side... 

...and never subject to prosecution for anything by anyone. 

That is a coup d'état. 

Those are some great photos. I'm surprised there aren't any of Ed Lansdale or Bill Harvey in that group.

http://www.historynet.com/ed-lansdales-black-warfare-in-1950s-vietnam.htm

On 5/4/2017 at 8:36 AM, David Andrews said:

I believe Tosh Plumlee when he says that the CIA (high-command) had nothing to do with the assassination.

If JFK was a compartmentalized op run by ex-Director Dulles from his home and his office at The Farm (as David Talbot suggests), managed by Helms and Phillips, using Angleton's patsy (Oswald) and executed on the ground by the likes of David Morales, how the heck would Tosh the pilot have privy knowledge of high command intentions?  Because somebody made him assurances?  Somebody made Oswald assurances, too.

Persons who try to make distinctions between official CIA ops and rogue ops, and former and current personnel, haven't been reading enough about CIA, and aren't taking into account the establishment that Dulles - with Harriman and Lodge on the diplomatic side - were accountable to.  Anyone at CIA selected to manage or execute the assassination would have been of like mind with Dulles and his backers, and either accountable to or cooperative with the others in the op chain.

Was the drug-fueled Contra war run by rogue operatives?  Was the 1960s-1970s opium trade out of Vientiane a rogue op?

"Anyone at CIA selected to manage or execute the assassination would have been of like mind with Dulles and his backers, and either accountable to or cooperative with the others in the op chain."

I put "Mr. regime change" Ed Lansdale squarely in this group. He was Dulles' guy going way back, and certainly capable of managing Dallas. Prouty certainly believed so, and I tend to agree.