Jim Hargrove

I think Mr. Veciano is still alive. Regarding Mr. Parnell's critique of Wilcott's testimony, Parnell seems unaware of all the other evidence that "Oswald" was CIA. Disregarding the two Oswald question, here's a summary of that evidence. 20 Facts Indicating “Lee Harvey Oswald” was a CIA Agent 1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” 2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963. 3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s. 4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962. 5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA. 6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA agent who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child. 7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and no doubt monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death. 8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE. 9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA. 10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination. 11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report. 12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots. 13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear. 14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story. 15. CIA Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, but the CIA ignored his warnings. 16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations. 17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs…. 18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again! 19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.” 20. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, as shown in the infamous Arthur Krock defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times.

Mr. Sawtelle…. Fascinating line of thought, but there are a couple of questions here. Veciana famously saw Bishop/Phillips talking with “Oswald” at the Southland Building in Dallas near the end of August or the start of Sept. 1963. At this time, Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald was still living in New Orleans, but American born Lee Oswald was in the Dallas area. I think it’s more likely that Phillips was meeting Lee, and that the two Oswalds looked similar enough that Veciana was fooled by their resemblance. In Harvey and Lee, John asks, “Why would David Atlee Phillips, head of Cuban Propaganda for the CIA, and assigned to the Mexico City station, meet with Lee Oswald in Dallas? The obvious answer is that the plot for Lee Oswald to frame Harvey Oswald for the assassination of JFK was already underway, and that Phillips was involved in it. Evidence from CIA accountant James Wilcott and others indicate that the Oswald Project was under the control of the CIA. Wilcott swore officers at his station in Japan told him payments he had made to an encrypted account were for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” I have wondered for many years, apparently like you, why Lee Oswald wasn’t used at the embassies, and so it is interesting to see someone ask the same question. Knowing about the slaughter ahead, maybe he just flat our refused to do it fearing for his life. I don’t know…. but it is an interesting question.

Also for the tenth time, the fact that you cannot put Parker’s “explanation” into your own words here clearly shows that you are embarrassed by it.

Hey, Tracy.... Since you’re once again busy pointing everywhere but here, why don’t you take this opportunity between endless links elsewhere to put into your own words what error led the WC to publish school records indicating “Lee Harvey Oswald” attended PS 44 in New York City at the very same time he attended Beauregard JHS in New Orleans? Instead of pointing to Greg Parker’s non-explanations, why not use your own words right here? Just be specific about how the "error" occurred. Just pointing out for the tenth time or so that you simply can’t do it….

Yeah, right, and the Warren Commission "was the greatest examination of evidence in the history of mankind."

See "The Man Who Could--and Couldn't--Drive.... http://harveyandlee.net/Driving/Drive.htm To make a long story short, American-born Lee Oswald had a valid Texas driver's license; Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald didn't. The Furniture Mart episode is discussed in the same write-up.

In his post prior to this one, Tommy clearly dodges the question in his "answer," but tries to answer a question no one asked, and he continues to try to diminish the treachery of CIA personnel by hiding behind the “mole hunt” excuse that he wants us to believe excuses the culpability of several Agency personnel in the framing of “Lee Harvey Oswald” for the assassination of JFK. In the Roman/Hood/Karamessines/Whitten cable of 10/10/63 the individual misidentified as “Lee Henry Oswald” suddenly becomes the “Lee Oswald who called sovemb 1 Oct,” in other words, the patsy-to-be: “Lee Harvey Oswald.” That Oswald is described as “FIVE FEET TEN INCHES, ONE HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE POUNDS” may appear to be disinformation, and may be, but it is also close to the description from his Marine Corps records of American-born LEE Harvey Oswald, who was about two inches taller and huskier than Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald. More importantly, this is the cable that connects "Lee Henry Oswald" with the "Oswald" allegedly at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, and it attempts to rehabilitate “Oswald’s” reputation. In reference to FBI supervisor Marvin Gheesling’s removal of "Oswald" from the watch list, Bill Simpich concluded a post in another thread with this chilling paragraph: Gheesling's decision to take Oswald off the watch list effectively dimmed the lights around Oswald. It meant that Oswald would not be watched in Dallas with close scrutiny in situations involving national security, such as when JFK came to town in a motorcade. If Gheesling had waited another day, Oswald would have been in the spotlight. Dallas agents would have been on him like white on rice. So was all this just a couple of ghastly errors that helped unknown bad players make a patsy out of “Oswald,” or was it something even more sinister? The answers to that question came fast starting on November 23, 1963, when David Atlee Phillips and several other CIA personnel start making every effort they can to connect “Lee Harvey Oswald” with the Cuban government, undoubtedly hoping to blame the assassination on Castro and ultimately provoke a U.S. invasion of Cuba. For example, on November 25 Phillips' associate Gilberta Alvarado Ugarte walked into the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City and claimed he had been in the Cuban Embassy in MC on September 18, 1963. He told officials that he witnessed Oswald receive $6500 in cash from a "Negro with red hair" inside the Cuban consulate to kill President Kennedy. Alvarado’s date was wrong, and his entire story was bs, but Phillips backed up Alvarado’s character and claims in a half dozen or so CIA cables, several written under false names. There are other examples of this subterfuge, including Phillips’ own vicious attempts to have Cuban Consulate employee Silvia Duran forced by Mexican DFS to confess to a sexual relationship with “Lee Harvey Oswald” and portray it all as part of a communist conspiracy organized Cuba. From American-born LEE Oswald’s meeting in Dallas in August ‘63 with Maurice Bishop/David Phillips (while HARVEY Oswald was still in New Orleans) to the endless lies the CIA issued immediately after the assassination and for decades later (George Joannides, anyone?) you ain’t gonna explain Oswald and the CIA as just a mole hunt to me, despite Bill Simpich’s excellent work. Richard Case Nagell may have been one weird guy, but he clearly had foreknowledge about the plot to kill JFK, and the CIA clearly ignored his warnings. And don’t forget that the Kennedy Administration and the CIA were clearly at war just weeks before the assassination, as shown in the infamous Arthur Krock defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times.

That’s an excellent point, Mr. Sawtelle. There are some here who will argue that “Oswald” never got on the bus or taxi, but they have more difficulty explaining how “Oswald’s" transfer led so quickly to McWatters' bus. And they have a harder time explaining the much more solid identification, as you would expect, from the taxi driver. They would also have to explain why an innocent “Oswald” would have to make such an obvious escape involving the Nash Rambler using an accomplice and a means he didn’t ordinarily use. Actually, the "Oswald" who got into the Nash Rambler was making an escape. He had just spent weeks framing Harvey Oswald for the assassination. Minutes earlier, he had been parading around on the 6th floor with a big rifle so all those inmates could see him. Now, he was running for his life, but trying not to attract attention. He sure needed a ride from someone.

Really, just like the Magic Money Order proved “Lee Harvey Oswald” bought the Magic Carcano that fired the Magic Bullet that hit Kennedy and Connally, eh? Do you seriously believe an exhumation of “Lee Harvey Oswald’s” remains was done without involving the U.S. Government? Or the subsequent long-delayed report? Or, for that matter, do you honestly believe that an Agency that deliberately poisoned thousands of Americans with LSD just to see what would happen would hesitate to give a little war orphan an unnecessary mastoidectomy just so his health records would match the American kid whose identity he was about to share for an intelligence operation involving a Mission to Moscow?

Identity Tricks are Common in Spy Games Cuban Intelligence’s DeLaguardia Brothers The book “Castro’s Final Hour” included a photograph of Antonio and Patricio DeLaGuardia, top spies for Cuba during the 1960s, ‘70s, and ‘80s. They were identical twins, useful, among other ways, for providing an alibi when one or the other got in trouble. Russian Spy Gordon Lonsdale/Konon Molody The use of impostors is common in spycraft. A Russian named Konon Molody, born in Moscow in 1922, was sent to Berkley, California at the age of seven to learn English and develop familiarity with American customs. Ten years later, he returned to the USSR, was commissioned in the Soviet Navy, and started espionage training. By 1954, Molody sailed to Canada with a birth certificate and other paperwork for a Canadian named Gordon Arnold Lonsdale who had died c. 1943. As “Gordon Lonsdale,” Molody had a significant career as a Soviet spy, including interactions with Rudolph Abel in the U.S. and with the British military. He was convicted of espionage in London in 1961. Mossad officer Michael Ross Much more recently, a fellow named Michael Ross was born in British Columbia in 1961. He traveled to Israel in 1982 where he eventually married an Israeli woman and joined the Mossad. According to the Canadian daily National Post (1/14/12), “Over the next 14 years, the Canadian-Israeli assumed six different identities — one cover lasted a full seven years — and led a life wildly different from the one his family believed true so he could gather intelligence and seduce defectors.” German Spy Mata Hari I tried quickly to confirm this online and couldn’t, but there was a television program from some years back that claimed the famed Dutch exotic dancer and German spy with the stage name Mata Hari used stage doubles for her dancing shows so that she could undertake other activities. I believe one of Allen Dulles’s books extols the usefulness of doubles in spycraft, and he should know. Spy games with similarities to the Harvey and Lee scenario are really quite easy to find. --Thanks to T.K. for this suggestion.

The 5’ 11” height is included not only in the Armed Forces Report of Transfer or Discharge dated 10/12/1959 but also in the 9/3/59 USMC medical exam. If Parker is making the claim that “Oswald” exaggerated his height on documents he himself filled out, how come there is not a single document anywhere listing his height as 5’ 10”? That would be a normal “enhancement” for a fellow really 5’ 9”. And Tommy, citing a single outlying doc, would like us to believe that Harvey was actually 5’ 9-1/2”, making the rounding up to 5’ 10” quite normal. But it exists nowhere. By using Tommy’s number, Harvey Oswald actually rounds down his height on any number of docs he himself completed. The 5’ 11” statistic appears not only in some USMC records, but also on Oswald’s Selective Service Registration Card of 9/14/59, the 1959 Passport, the 1963 Passport, and probably some other places I’m forgetting. (The ‘59 passport is particularly interesting, because although Harvey used it, Lee’s picture was placed on it. Harvey’s picture is on the ‘63 passport.) The evidence that American-born LEE Harvey Oswald was both taller and bulkier than Russian-speaking Lee HARVEY Oswald is a consistent thread in the Harvey and Lee research, from early school records onward.

So, Tommy, you’re going to put up your cop house measurement against the medical examiner’s report and all those other documents I pointed to? No doubt you will. But according to you and Parnell, guys tend to exaggerate their heights, and if “Oswald” was really 5’ 9-1/2” tall he would surely round up to 5’ 10” at least once in a while, eh? But he didn’t, not once. I win again.

Well, Tommy, you say the “1/2 inch has been documented,” but of course you fail to say where since it clearly has NOT been documented. What has been documented many times is that “Lee Harvey Oswald” was both 5’ 9” and 5’ 11” tall. I’ve posted documentary evidence above for the 5’ 11” Oswald. Now, let’s look at the 5’ 9” Oswald. According to “Oswald’s” autopsy report, he weighed an “estimated” 150 lbs. and was 5’ 9” tall, NOT 5’ 9-1/2” tall as you say “has been documented.“ And according to his application for a Texas driver’s license, he himself indicated he weighed 140 lbs and was 5’ 9” tall, NOT 5’ 9-1/2” tall as you say “has been documented.“ And according to his application for employment at the Texas School Book Depository, he weighed 150 lbs and was 5’ 9” tall, NOT 5’ 9-1/2” tall as you say “has been documented.“ There are other places where Oswald’s height is listed as 5’ 9” tall, his Leslie Welding application, his Goldrings application, his 8/9/63 New Orleans police report, and so on. Nowhere is his height listed as 5’ 9-1/2” tall, despite your lame claim that “it has been documented.” Equally lame is your latest excuse for the 5’ 11” Oswald. Here’s your verbatim explanation: “looks like that rascal done lifted hisself up one-an-one-halft whole inches on his tippy-toes when they was a-measurin' him! (Either that or the sar-gent who done measured 'em done drunk ten more beers than he usually done did the night a-fore!) Have you ever won a debate in your life? I hope your other 6,000 + posts on this forum are better than your posts in this thread.

You don't think a fellow can gain 15 pounds after leaving the Marine Corps? And I see you're busy stretching 5' 9" Harvey Oswald an extra half inch here. You got some evidence for that? Most of the docs I've seen have him at either 5'9" or 5'11". With you and Tracy making endless excuses about high heels and up on tiptoes and the like, it sure is funny there isn't a single doc listing "Oswald's" height as 5'10".

Bump for Tommy!

Absolutely! But before you give up, let's see what Texas Employment Commission employee Laura Kittrell had to say after she met both HARVEY and LEE in 1963.... http://harveyandlee.net/Kittrell/Kittrell.htm She said a whole lot more.... which I'll try to post tomorrow.

Uh, Tommy, you are aware that on his 9/3/59 USMC medical report “Lee Harvey Oswald’s” height is listed at 5’ 11” (which is 71 inches) and his weight as 150 lbs., right? And you are aware that on his 10/12/59 Armed Forces Report of Transfer or Discharge “Lee Harvey Oswald’s” height is also listed at 5’ 11” and his weight as 150 lbs., right? No doubt you’ll explain this via the legendary prowess of JJ Angleton and his band of merry pranksters, boarding their barium meal time machines and heading back to USMC headquarters to fake all this stuff and eventually confuse John Armstrong and me. LOL! Isn’t it amazing that the same 5’ 11” height is listed on LHO’s 1959 passport, his 1963 passport, his 9/14/59 Selective Service Registration card, and many other places. The public record contains nearly as many references to a 5” 11” Oswald as to a 5’ 9” Oswald. Almost sounds like two different fellows, eh? Please explain to me how CI/SIG managed to fake all those documents. If you can’t, I may have to assume that much of what you and others call deliberate CIA misinformation for “marked cards” are actually clear and obvious variations in the public record. You can explain this, right? I know I can. Cat got your tongue?

I see DJ has already given you one of his patented 150 mph tours of a couple of aspects of the evidence for Harvey and Lee. He’s younger and faster than me, and so I like to slow things down to a comfortable geriatric pace and look at things leisurely. You’ll probably eventually see that the majority of John Armstrong’s Harvey and Lee evidence goes beyond merely pointing to a feller or two who thought he maybe saw someone who looked like “Oswald.” It usually goes deeper, and here’s a link below to a good example. Nearly 20 years ago now, a fellow named Chris Courtwright wrote a piece about a strange series of events in and around Alice, TX. It was short, you can read it in five minutes, but influential enough to put John McAdams on High Alert. Chris didn’t include the documents, but if you bother to research it, you’ll see his story matches the reports available. During all the sightings Chris describes, Lee HARVEY Oswald was demonstrably somewhere else. READ IT HERE What do you think? Sometimes it's hard to separate solid witnesses from the sketchy ones, but looking at the whole story usually helps.

Probably in response to my post above, Thomas Graves has resurrected an old EF thread called “Lee Henry Oswald.” It has excellent posts by Robert Charles Dunne and especially Bill Simpich, who, as in his recent book, makes an excellent case that Ann Egerter and her boss James J. Angleton and others were putting out “marked cards” with disinformation on “Lee Harvey Oswald” as part of a mole hunt. Mr. Simpich makes his case admirably. But in the Roman/Hood/Karamessines/Whitten cable of 10/10/63 the individual misidentified as “Lee Henry Oswald” suddenly becomes the “Lee Oswald who called sovemb 1 Oct,” in other words, the patsy-to-be: “Lee Harvey Oswald.” That Oswald is described as “FIVE FEET TEN INCHES, ONE HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE POUNDS” may appear to be disinformation, and may be, but it is also close to the description from his Marine Corps records of American-born LEE Harvey Oswald, who was about two inches taller and somewhat huskier than Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald. More importantly, this is the cable that connects "Lee Henry Oswald" with the "Oswald" allegedly at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, and it attempts to rehabilitate “Oswald’s” reputation. In reference to FBI supervisor Marvin Gheesling’s removal from the watch list, Mr. Simpich concludes with this chilling paragraph: Gheesling's decision to take Oswald off the watch list effectively dimmed the lights around Oswald. It meant that Oswald would not be watched in Dallas with close scrutiny in situations involving national security, such as when JFK came to town in a motorcade. If Gheesling had waited another day, Oswald would have been in the spotlight. Dallas agents would have been on him like white on rice. So was all this just a couple of ghastly errors that helped unknown bad players make a patsy out of “Oswald,” or was it something even more sinister? The answers to that question came fast starting on November 23, 1963, when David Atlee Phillips and several other CIA personnel start making every effort they can to connect “Lee Harvey Oswald” with the Cuban government, undoubtedly hoping to blame the assassination on Castro and ultimately provoke a U.S. invasion of Cuba. For example, on November 25 Phillips' associate Gilberta Alvarado Ugarte walked into the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City and claimed he had been in the Cuban Embassy in MC on September 18, 1963. He told officials that he witnessed Oswald receive $6500 in cash from a "Negro with red hair" inside the Cuban consulate to kill President Kennedy. Alvarado’s date was wrong, and his entire story was bs, but Phillips backed up Alvarado’s character and claims in a half dozen or so CIA cables, several written under false names. There are other examples of this subterfuge, including Phillips’ own vicious attempts to have Cuban Consulate employee Silvia Duran forced by Mexican DFS to confess to a sexual relationship with “Lee Harvey Oswald” and portray it all as part of a communist conspiracy organized Cuba. From American-born LEE Oswald’s meeting in Dallas in August ‘63 with Maurice Bishop/David Phillips (while HARVEY Oswald was still in New Orleans) to the endless lies the CIA issued immediately after the assassination and for decades later (George Joannides, anyone?) you ain’t gonna explain Oswald and the CIA as just a mole hunt to me, despite Bill Simpich’s excellent work. Richard Case Nagell may have been one weird guy, but he clearly had foreknowledge about the plot to kill JFK, and the CIA clearly ignored his warnings. And don’t forget that the Kennedy Administration and the CIA were clearly at war just weeks before the assassination, as shown in the infamous Arthur Krock defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times.

The CIA came up with the photo second from right in the four mugshots above they day after the assassination, in direct response to calls for images of “LHO” at the Russian Embassy in Mexico City. Even though Hoover heard audio tapes of an Oswald impostor in MC, CIA claimed the tapes had been “routinely erased.” CIA’s David Atlee Phillips perjured himself by claiming the cameras (and back-up cameras) trained on the embassy front doors weren’t working that day, although the HSCA eventually uncovered his lie. Whatever weasel words Goodpasture and others may have used about the “evidence” hoping to protect themselves from future indictments, the CIA’s treachery on the MC charade is more than clear. And then there are the actions by both the CIA and the FBI immediately after that are even worse! Since the 1959 “defection,” the FBI had “Lee Harvey Oswald” on a watch list, essentially requiring him to be kept under close scrutiny by federal authorities. In an operations started less than one week after the MC nonsense, the “flash” watch was cancelled. One single day after the FBI started taking “Lee Harvey Oswald” off the watch list, the CIA starting doing something very similar. Responding to a query from the Mexico City station, four CIA officers signed a cable giving lots of accurate biographical data on our boy but calling him “Lee Henry Oswald.” The three page cable expressed no security concerns whatsoever about Oswald and, in fact, indicated the Moscow embassy felt “life in the Soviet Union had clearly had maturing effect on Oswald.” Nothing to worry about here! This cable was signed by Jane Roman (Angleton’s assistant), William Hood (also close to Angleton),Thomas Karamessines (assistant to Helms) and John Whitten who, according to Jefferson Morley, was the only CIA officer of the four signers who suffered any adverse consequences for this troubling cable. John Armstrong believes that Angleton ran the “Harvey and Lee” Oswald project. Are we to believe that these two events, occurring at almost exactly the same time, are coincidences? Whether CIA folks were conducting a mole hunt is irrelevant to me. Simultaneous actions by the FBI and the CIA clearly made it appear that “Lee Harvey Oswald” may have once been a dangerous man, but no longer was so.

Mistaken identifications are always a possibility and a few of the reports, if memory serves, do involve hearsay. But in the case of the hearsay evidence you have to ask, Why didn’t the FBI follow up on such a dramatic lead? If Mr. X says Mr. Y told him he shot JFK, and you don’t interview Mr. Y, what kind of investigation is that and what conclusions might we draw from the lack of follow-up? It is often helpful to keep the Big Picture in mind when examining the details. Without trying to prove it right now, Jack Ruby’s role in the assassination appears to be much deeper than we previously thought. And, while Harvey Oswald was working or otherwise accounted for, someone identifying himself as LHO was traveling all over the Dallas area in the weeks before the assassination doing incriminating things suggestive of a fellow getting ready to shoot the president. The old movie “Executive Action” (it was Robert Ryan’s last picture, I think, and Burt Lancaster was in it), has a number of scenes showing the set-up of LHO) by a fellow who looked somewhat like him. And so if you’re sitting at the Seat of Government (as Hoover called his outfit) and you know you have lots of reports about Ruby and Oswald together, and you don’t follow those leads, what are we to make of that? Could it possibly be a cover-up? I’ll try to dig up some of the docs on this subject.

Hell, no, Tommy! Let's talk photos. It wasn't John or me who said the "Oswald" second from right was either Harvey or Lee. It was your vaunted CIA who indicated it was LHO. Real honest fellows, those guys. The "Oswald" second from let, of course, was the fellow the Cuban government said caused that scene pretending to be LHO in the Cuban consulate in MC. That leaves two people who really claimed to be Oswald in the photos above. At far left is American-born LEE Harvey Oswald. At far right is the Russian-speaking kid who shared the real Oswald's identity in an operation ultimately designed to send a young man with an American identity to spy in the Soviet Union, which is exactly what happened. See the full story at.... HarveyandLee.net If the relatively recent identifications of the Russian Embassy and Cuban Consulate "Oswalds" are correct, that's great! But it doesn't leave the CIA off the hook for its treachery. And by the way, don't feel too embarrassed that you didn't recognize "Oswald's" famous passport photo. It was actually a picture of LEE put into Harvey's passport. If you were thinking, "That ain't the guy killed by Jack Ruby" you were right!

And here's yet another opportunity for Tommy to stop whining about the photo and consider more of the evidence. BTW, several people have told me in private the circled man at Ruby's looks like the guy in the inset. And, of course, Tommy originally said the guy in the inset wasn't "Oswald." Apparently he didn't even recognize the famous passport photo currently at the National Archives and copied all over the internet. ======================================================== On 3/14/2017 at 1:38 PM, Thomas Graves said: Dear James, That's not the Oswald in your photo inset at Rubys joint. Different ears, Unless of course you're talking about some different Oswald. LOL -- Tommy ========================================================= LOL!

Tommy, Besides honoring us with you stunning insight that hair can grow longer on people's heads (especially in the time after serving in the Marine Corps--LOL), why don't you address the rest of the evidence above? Does it not strike you as even a little bit odd that all those people put LHO and Ruby together in Dallas, often while LHO and family lived in New Orleans? Aren't you even a tiny bit curious? Nah, I didn't think so....

Really, Tommy? (LOL) Just a touch of "LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S" photographic history.. Please stop playing the fool.... HarveyandLee.net