Jim Hargrove

You can’t just look at pictures by themselves to determine whether there were two Marguerite Oswalds and two LHOs. You have to look at all the evidence. As one example…. According to the Warren Commission, in the fall of 1954 LEE Harvey Oswald was attending Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans. During that time LEE rather famously got into a fight with Beauregard schoolmate John Neumeyer and probably lost a tooth. LEE’s mother, the real Marguerite Oswald, at the time was living at 1454 St. Mary's St. in New Orleans, not far from Beauregard School. What the Warren Commission didn’t report (other than neglecting to bury a brief statement by Robert Oswald during his testimony) was that, at the same time during the same school semester, Lee HARVEY Oswald was attending Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth, Texas. His caretaker/mother, the Marguerite Oswald impostor, was living at 2200 Thomas Place, directly across the street from Stripling School. Aware that Harvey Oswald’s Stripling school attendance threatened to expose the existence of an “Oswald Project” involving the two children, Hoover dispatched agents to Stripling within hours of the assassination to confiscate Harvey’s school records. The agents were met by assistant principal Frank Kudlaty, who handed over the records, which disappeared while in FBI hands. See Frank's YouTube interview: Warren Commission loyalists and/or Harvey and Lee critics such as Tracy Parnell want you to believe that Lee HARVEY Oswald never attended Stripling, some going so far as to suggest that the late JFK researcher Jack White somehow got Frank Kudlaty to make bogus claims about Oswald’s Stripling records. But these critics seemingly don’t want you to know how much other evidence exists showing that HARVEY Oswald attended Stripling School in Texas while LEE Oswald was at Beauregard School in Louisiana.an During research in the 1990s, John Armstrong located a number of former Stripling teachers and students who remembered that Oswald had attended the school. One was gym teacher Mark Summers, who began his work at Stripling in September 1950, the year after Robert Oswald graduated from Stripling. He remembered that Lee HARVEY Oswald was in one of his gym classes, though he remembered little else about him. Classmates Doug Gann, Jackie and Bobby Pitts, and Fran Schubert also remembered LHO at Stripling. See Fran's YouTube interview. At least one educator in Fort Worth told John Armstrong that it was “common knowledge” that LHO attended Stripling School in the 1950s. In late October 1959, when his so-called brother “defected,” Robert Oswald told the Fort Worth Star Telegraph that LHO had attended Stripling School. He said the same thing to the same paper in June 1962, at the time of LHO's repatriation. And, of course, Robert testified that his “brother” attended Stripling, a remark totally ignored by WC lawyers. Bear in mind that from both before and after the entire fall semester starting in September 1954, the Warren Commission said LHO and his mother lived at 1454 St. Mary’s St. in New Orleans. No wonder WC loyalists work so hard to discredit the simple fact that Lee HARVEY Oswald attended Stripling School in Texas at the same time! Here’s the 10/31/59 Fort Worth Stat Telegraph article, hard to find online: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/6s62u2kgus4x6n2/Stripling_1959.jpg?dl=0 Edit: Corrected the name of the guy LEE Oswald fought at Beauregard School to John Neumeyer. Thanks to Alistair and Sandy.

In the military, especially Marine Corps unit diaries (and other records as well) “Oswald Lee H. ” can be found in all sorts of conflicting records. Without looking through them all, I’m sure there are some variants, but you can really trace these two different Oswalds through the classes they took and the different soldiers they lived and worked with. As an earlier example, both Oswalds were in the 8th grade at Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans at the start of 1954, though later in the year Harvey moved to Fort Worth and attended Stripling School while Lee stayed at Beauregard. Beauregard was a good sized school, and LEE’s homeroom was on the third floor of the building while Harvey’s was in a room that doubled as the school cafeteria in the basement. IMS, Harvey’s homeroom teacher, Myra DaRouse remembered that he preferred to be called Harvey, although I think he used the same full name. I often think of Russian-speaking Harvey as having just half a life. Time and again he was briefly settled into experiences similar to American-born LEE, and then removed, perhaps before the name similarities would create notice. I think it is quite possible for kids in a large school to have identical or nearly identical names and not be given much notice, at least for a while.

Yes, and the reason she said her "son" was a government agent was probably to play the role of a spy catcher. People in American Intel circles who knew or suspected LHO was a low-level spy would hear her words and quite possibly try to contact her. She could then identify these helpful contacts to her handlers so they could be silenced in one way or another. At any rate, her testimony would provide a reason to people who knew about the Oswald project to come forward and be identified.

Yes, I was wrong about Ralph Cinque's analysis. Sandy Larsen's comments were spot on. I think all the pictures are of the same woman: the real Marguerite Oswald.

I just put up on HarveyandLee.net John Armstrong's new write-up on the Two Marguerites. Read the details here.... http://harveyandlee.net/Moms/Moms.html --Jim

Megathanks, Jim.... From Fidel Castro's speech the day after the assassination of JFK: Carlos Bringuier, delegate of the counterrevolutionary organization referred to, said to the New York Times that "at first I suspected Oswald. I frankly thought that he might be an FBI or CIA agent trying to find out what we were doing." So Cuban counter-revolutionaries are saying that when Oswald tried to enter their organization he was not accepted because they believed he was from the CIA or FBI, and that he was trying to find out what they were up to. How curious! And this is not what they publish but they say that he is a Castroite, a communist, an admirer of Fidel Castro. And now it appears that he tried to enter the organization and was not admitted because they thought he belonged to the FBI or CIA. They must know pretty well the kind of agents the FBI and CIA have since they deal with them a lot. Castro also pointed out how odd it semed to be that the U.S. government gave former defector "Oswald" approval to travel to Soviet Bloc countries A SECOND TIME in 1963! This was still at the Height of the Cold War! Isn't it amazing that some Warren Commission loyalists continue to this very day to tell us that "Oswald" was just a confused young man with no connections whatsoever to American Intel! Sheesh....

The more I think about it, doing a study of the Marguerite photos might not be a bad idea, but I don't know about those allegedly produced in the last few years by Robert "I Led Three Lives" Oswald. I don't trust him. For the photos that we know existed in the 1960s or at least by the time of the HSCA, it might be worth doing. I'll put it on a to-do list also.

You’re really filling up this page with nonsense, Tracy. Back when I had only 15 points in the list of reasons why “Oswald” was a CIA agent, Paul Trejo tried to debate me point by point (or “by the numbers,” as he put it), but he failed miserably. See the debate on THIS PAGE, about a quarter of the way down. Paul Brancato read our posts. In a message beginning “Paul T -,” Mr. Brancato wrote, “Hargrove beat you fair and square, point by point, without plugging any books.” Mr. Trejo never tried again to debate me “by the numbers.” Neither have you. What are YOU afraid of? The full title of the book you are devoting a considerable portion of your life trying to debunk is “Harvey and Lee: How the CIA Framed Oswald.” Accusations against the CIA are at the core of this book, and yet you fail time and time again to confront the clear issue that the entire assassination of JFK is drenched in CIA connections. You write, “Oswald didn’t have the educational background,” as if fluency reading and writing Russian, and enough English to prepare that splendid and detailed report on the lives of Russian workers wasn’t education enough. You say Oswald “never had two nickels to rub together,” and yet when he decided to “defect” to Russia, he had enough nickels to travel, to stay at first class European and Russian hotels, and to hire a private In-Tourist guide to show him Moscow, all of which, we’re told, came from saving that mostly non-convertible military script he got in the Marines. Bet that script came in handy in Moscow! Back in the U.S. he once again seemed to live like a church mouse until, in 1963, he apparently had nickels aplenty to travel again, this time to Russia via Cuba. Or so we’re told. At this late date, if you want to pretend the WC saga of LHO is true, I’m really going to lose confidence in your wisdom. Your expressed opinion speaks volumes. As to your demands about what we do or don’t do with pictures of the Marguerites, any number of them are on HarveyandLee.net and you can freely take issue with them. Be my guest. But please tell me once more, just for grins, that “Lee Harvey Oswald” wasn’t connected to the CIA or, as Paul Trejo says endlessly with a strait face, that he was a “CIA wannabe.” Hah-hah-hah!

To Sandy and Tracy, All this minutia has it’s place, but I’d like to take a look at the Big Picture for a moment. Let’s take time off from arguing about how many LHOs there were and how many mothers watched them. Let’s consider the simple question: Was “Lee Harvey Oswald,” whether one man or more, a U.S. intelligence agent? Was there an intel program that CIA accountant James Wilcott referred to as the “Oswald project?” If LHO was just a mixed up kid along the lines the WC portrayed him, it is difficult to believe any of the “two Oswald” stuff. But if there was an intelligence operation designed to send a Russian-speaking young man to Moscow with an American ID, then it strikes me that almost anything is possible. Here again are my reasons to believe there was a CIA “Oswald project.” Feedback would be appreciated! 21 Facts Indicating ”Lee Harvey Oswald” was a CIA Agent (New entries in red) 1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” 2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963. 3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s. 4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962. 5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA. 6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA agent who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child. 7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and no doubt monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death. 8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE. 9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA. 10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination. 11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report. 12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots. 13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear. 14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story. 15. CIA Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, but the CIA ignored his warnings. 16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations. 17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs…. 18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again! 19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.” 20. In 1978, the government of Cuba announced that “Lee Harvey Oswald” was a “CIA AGENT.” 21. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, and “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.

Her main "theory," of course, was made abundantly clear when she testified at the WC hearings that her son was a spy or "agent" for the U.S. government. John doesn't think that was an odd thing to do at all. He thinks phony Marguerite was a "spy catcher," someone set up to attract U.S. intelligence agents who knew "Oswald" was a spy so that they would contact her and then could be identified and silenced. Since you are a Warren Commission loyalist, I assume you don't believe Oswald--any Oswald--was actually a spy. Here's the evidence I assembled a few weeks ago. 21 Facts Indicating ”Lee Harvey Oswald” was a CIA Agent (New entries in red) 1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” 2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963. 3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s. 4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962. 5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA. 6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA agent who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child. 7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and no doubt monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death. 8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE. 9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA. 10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination. 11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report. 12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots. 13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear. 14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story. 15. CIA Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, but the CIA ignored his warnings. 16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations. 17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs…. 18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again! 19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.” 20. In 1978, the government of Cuba announced that “Lee Harvey Oswald” was a “CIA AGENT.” 21. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, and “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.

Part of what you call the “constant moves by Marguerite” results from the fact that we are considering the residences of two distinct women. The FBI interview of Mrs. James Taylor shows that Marguerite Oswald (the impostor) lived at 4936 Collinwood from July 1956 to June 1, 1957. The FBI interview of Lee McCracken, with the USMC leaves, shows that Marguerite Oswald (the real Marguerite) lived at 3830 W 6th through June 1957 and probably beyond, though it doesn’t give a start date. John writes that there are Red Cross and Fort Worth City Directory records indicating this Marguerite lived at 3830 W. 6th from November 1956 to early 1958, which overlaps more than half of the Collinwood period. I can’t find repros of the docs to post, but I’ll try to remember to ask John about it when he returns in a few weeks. Want to bet these records exist? At any rate, he wrote in Harvey and Lee: Following the assassination the FBI followed it's usual pattern of ignoring po­- tentially troublesome witnesses, and failed to interview the manager or owner of the building at 3830 W. 6th, or obtain rental records as they had done with Mrs. Taylor at 4936 Collinwood. They failed to obtain rent receipts, utility bills or phone bills in or­- der to determine when Mrs. Oswald resided in this apartment. If FBI agents did conduct an investigation at 3830 W 6th, their reports were not given to the Warren Commission. Like the Warren Report, John indicates the start date of the the Collinwood lease as simply “July 1956,” and so I guess he doesn’t make a big deal about the Goldring’s conflict. To me, though, it’s bothersome. Your explanation that “Goldring’s may have simply had Marguerite on the books through the end of the month for record keeping purposes” seems highly unlikely to me. In my experience, companies keep careful records of the start and end dates for their employees for any number of reasons, including involvements with payroll, taxes, insurance, competitive work histories, etc. Your additional rationalization about Goldring’s records, “Or it is an error-the the type Armstrong isn’t aware occurs in everyday life quite often,” is nearly as unlikely as it is condescending. Everyone makes mistakes, but in cases involving payrolls and taxes, those are the rare exceptions rather than the rules. You also say, “Here’s an insurance document that shows Marguerite was in Forth Worth on July 25, 1956.” But instead of an actual insurance document, you provide a link to CE 2205, which, for this part, is a lengthy FBI report in which 25 different addresses for Marguerite are hand-typed by an FBI agent purportedly taking them from a real insurance document. Why not show us the real document? At the very least, with so much information to process, mistakes are FAR more likely to occur than in the simple employment dates summary of the Goldring’s report. Finally, you present two documents indicating Marguerite lived on West 6th in 1957, not 1956. Although I think we’ll be able to show she was there as early as November 1956, you might note that both those documents are referenced in Harvey and Lee, and we are talking about conflicts in 1957. Actually, we’re talking about conflicts over many years.

Too Many Residences for Impoverished Marguerite According to employment records of Goldring’s Department Store in New Orleans, Marguerite Oswald was a sales woman with the company from March 16, 1956 to July 31, 1956. But according to the manager of the apartment building at 4936 Collinwood in Fort Worth, Marguerite Oswald, “accompanied by her two sons, Lee and Robert,” rented the upper west apartment at 4936 Collinwood in Fort Worth on July 1, 1956, a full month before Marguerite left Goldring’s in New Orelans. Marguerite’s daily commute of over a thousand miles from Fort Worth to New Orleans and back again must have been a doozy! If that scenario seems unlikely, no less than Allen Dulles himself had a solution. According to Dulles, who came to the aid of the helplessly flailing Marguerite impostor during her WC testimony, Marguerite didn’t actually move to Fort Worth until September 1956. Of course, none of this matches the records of Mrs. James Taylor, manager of 4936 Collinwood in Fort Worth. In addition to indicating that Marguerite resided at her building from 7/1/56 to 6/1/57, Mrs. Taylor added that Marguerite then moved to 1031 W. 5th St. in Fort Worth. The Collinwood manager said she contact Marguerite several times at the 5th St. address attempting to collect a $6.60 utility bill reimbursement. Which is very strange, because during this very period, when Classic Lee Harvey Oswald entered the Marines, there is all kinds of evidence that Marguerite was living not on Collinwood or on 5th St. but instead at 3830 West 6th St. in Fort Worth. Mr. McCracken noted that Lee Oswald came home to his 6th St. building on one or two occasions while on leave from the marines. Marine Corps records indicate Oswald took leave in February and June 1957. As always, the FBI failed to follow up and further investigate information that threatened to expose the two Oswalds and the two Marguerites. But they failed to suppress plenty of evidence. This is just the tip of the iceberg. --Extracted from Harvey and Lee, Copyright (c) 2003 by John Armstrong

The real and phony Marguerites had a distinctive difference involving their teeth. Pix above are screen captures from a YouTube video by Ralph Cinque.

The divorce court restored her legal name to back Margaret Keating way back in 1933, and she used that name in the phone books and elsewhere for more than two decades. Why would she suddenly appear as “Margt. Oswald” in the 1956 New Orleans City Directory? Harvey and Lee were both in New Orleans starting roughly a year and a half earlier. The 1956 page on HarveyandLee.net poses all sorts of contradictions in the Official Story about this year alone.

Bingo! Margaret Keating Oswald was the first wife of Robert E. L. Oswald (father of Robert and Lee Harvey Oswald), whom she divorced in 1933. The court restored her last name to Keating, her maiden name, which she kept for the remainder of her life (she apparently never remarried). The name Margaret Keating and her address, 120 N. Telemachus Street, appear in New Orleans City Directories, telephone books, voter registration records, etc., from 1933 thru the early 1960's. In the 1956 New Orleans City Directory, which records listings for the last half of 1955, the directory listed her as "Margt. Oswald," 120 N. Telemachus Street, New Orleans.55-21 This is the only occasion where the name "Margaret Keating" appears as Margt. Oswald--a name she had not used for the past 23 years. Perhaps this was a mistake, but perhaps not. These two listings appear during the time that both the short, dumpy heavy-set "Marguerite Oswald" imposter (whose true identity remains unknown) and the tall, nice-looking Marguerite Oswald lived in New Orleans. NOTE: Margaret Keating, who was 58 years old in 1954 and 67 years old in 1963, could have been the "Marguerite Oswald" imposter, but that possibility will not be ex­ plored or discussed in this book. For serious researchers, a telephone number and address were listed for Margaret Keating as late as 1996 in Baton Rogue (she was 100 in 1996). --From Harvey and Lee, Copyright (c) 2003 by John Armstrong

The 1956 New Orleans City Directory lists a “Marguerite Oswald” on Exchange and a “Margt Oswald” on Telemachus. On my website, John wrote: While LEE Oswald was working for Tujague's and living at 126 Exchange, from the summer of 1955 through the summer of 1956, where were HARVEY and the Marguerite Oswald impostor living? HARVEY Oswald began attending Warren Easton HS on Canal Street in the fall of 1955, so they probably lived nearby. The New Orleans City directory in 1956 lists a "Margt Oswald" at 120 N. Telemachus, which is just off Canal St. and is midway between Beauregard JHS and Warren Easton HS. The same New Orleans City directory, on the same page, lists a Marguerite Oswald at 126 Exchange.

OK, for now I’ll accept the document that Robert “I Led Three Lives” Oswald has purportedly placed on the net. Let’s say “Marguerite” was 5 feet 2-1/2 inches tall. Does this look to you like a 5 foot 2-1/2 inch woman standing next to a six foot man? Contrary to your spin about Peter Wronski’s website, you can clearly compare the heights of people standing on uneven terrain if they are equally distant from the camera and you can see them from head to feet. Here is the photo Wronski was examining: Some people wondered why Marina appeared nearly as tall as her husband. But, as you can see, Marina was standing on a little bit higher ground and so naturally she appeared a bit taller in comparison, but only if you don’t consider the position of her feet which were above those of her husband. Mr. Wronski then uses color photos to show that a woman in a red dress appears appears to grow in comparison to her companion, but only if she stands slightly above her. The effect is emphasized because her elevated feet are in shadows. In the Ekdahl wedding picture, it is clear that Marguerite was standing slightly below her husband, and yet she appears nearly as tall. John Pic testified that he thought his step-father was “over 6 feet.” Despite the fact that she was probably wearing heels, there’s simply no way that the Marguerite standing next to Edwin Ekdahl was only 5’ 2-1/2” tall.

Great! I'll start using that 5' 3" figure. As you can see from the photos, the "Marguerite Oswald" who testified to the WC was several inches shorter than that.

Thanks, Alistair…. The photo on the left shows Short Marguerite, who may have been related to Tall Marguerite (on the right above). The caption for Short Marguerite may be incorrect. John A. writes that it was taken a couple of years earlier… 1954, probably, but I’ll have to check for sure.

Bump!

I agree, Sandy, but even Marina’s passport (CE 1776) fails to list her height, which surprises me. I can't find a single document listing it. But John Armstrong is hardly the only researcher who has met Marina in person. Every one of them, I’ll bet, will tell you that she is quite petite. Time is on our side…. A document will appear or be produced soon enough listing Marina’s short stature. For Edwin Ekdahl, we have John Pic’s testimony that his step-father “was over 6 feet.” Pic was quite correct when he said Edwin “had white hair, wore glasses….” Was he wrong about his height? Thank you for correcting your observations about the two Marguerites’ teeth, and for your opinions about their noses. I dunno though, interpreting this stuff is hard, at least for me … . My opinion is that the eyebrows are a tell. Take a look at the elevation of the brows closest to the nose for the pair and see if you agree. Your mileage may vary from mine, of course, and the glasses don’t make things any easier. I try to keep things simple, and to me, the height difference is the clearest distinguishing factor.

There is a substantial height difference between the two Marguerites. TALL MARGUERITE: From oswaldsmother.blogspot.com: John Pic testified to the Warren Commission that Ekdahl was an electrical engineer and said, "His home was in Boston, Massachusetts. I think he was over 6 feet. He had white hair, wore glasses, a very nice man." [emphasis added] Marguerite probably was wearing heels in the photo with Edwin Ekdahl, but note that, in the photo, her feet are actually lower than her husband’s. This is clearly not a short woman. Another photo of tall Marguerite was taken at Paul’s Shoe Store. In the shoe store photo, Marguerite Oswald is the lady in the dark sweater, fourth from the left. In this photo, she is substantially taller than the woman to her right, and a bit taller than the woman to her left. Unless Paul’s Shoe Store specialized in hiring midgets, this Marguerite does not appear to be a short woman. SHORT MARGUERITE: As anyone who has ever met her knows, Marina Oswald is a very petite woman, around 5’1” tall. There are many photos showing that the “Marguerite” who testified to the WC was even shorter than Marina. For example…. There was, quite obviously, a substantial height difference between the real Marguerite Oswald and the woman who testified as her at the Warren Commission hearings There was, quite obviously, a substantial height difference between the real Marguerite Oswald and the woman who testified as her at the Warren Commission hearings

Sorry, Sandy…. I forgot that the color photo was from the group of four photos (labeled 58-34 on John’s CD), which made me suspicious of two of the images in your group of three above. I’m fine with studying the photos of “Marguerite” that were known to have existed in the 1960s and 1970s because they were at least placed into evidence, albeit via highly suspect so-called investigations. But I object to the photos placed on the internet just a few years ago, allegedly by Robert Oswald. The photo on the right above, conveniently labeled “1961 – age 54” is one of those recently revealed photos. The photos allegedly released by Robert Oswald do seem to show a more natural aging/alteration than the material available by even the end of last century. But we have no real evidence at all where these latter-day images came from, and in the digital age, you simply cannot trust photographic evidence. Am I really being paranoid to suspect a U.S. government agency might well want to fake some images to cover-up the “sources and methods” of even a 60-year-old intelligence operation? An operation that was deeply involved in the assassination of JFK? If John is right that the two Oswalds preceded even the Marine Corps, then there had to be a Marguerite Oswald impostor.

Just askin' Sandy.... Where did your photos come from? Were they introduced into evidence fifty years ago... or five years ago.... Did W. Tracy Parnell or Greg Parker produce them? If so, where did they get them? Any court would ask you for the chain of possession of your "evidence." Where did you get your photos? Again, just askin'.... Jim

Sandy, Which photos of "Marguerite" were in evidence by the time the HSCA published its findings in 1978? I should be more knowledgeable about this, but I'm not. I'd like to start our discussion about photos of Marguerite by limiting them to photos placed in evidence by or before 1978. Do you know where your photos originated? Did you just find them on the "net?"