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That's great news Steve! She doesn't even wanna talk to him🤣🤣Hello Donald Melania,- yeah, "Say Hi to the Orange Tub for me." Hey who is Mitch talking to in the stall next door? It looks like we're not going to get Lindsey Graham, but wouldn't that be great if it was Clarence Thomas? That would mean we've come really far!

Imperialism has been going on for millennia. Colonialism has been going on for 500 years. And nationalism in Europe started in the 19 the Century. That would be your beginning. Again, What in hell,are you talking about? Globalism to Jack Ruby? Talk about straining to make some connection! Ben: Domestic politics is raw, ugly and depressing. Culture wars and ID-politics fetishes. That is what the media promotes and allows. I avoid all the red-blue kool-aid pissing wars, ID politics and culture clashes. This is not politics, this is government since the JFKA. The media never tells you this tax story that I have related, and which is irrefutable. Instead the media trains you to get into useless catfights over ID politics and culture wars, and blue or red kool-aid pissing wars. Ben:I avoid all the red-blue kool-aid pissing wars, ID politics and culture clashes. That's not true at all. This is coming from a guy who when he first came here, was continually railing against "identity politics" until i had to tell you it was getting boring. Ok, maybe you see it now, but talk about being a shill for the Fox disinformation echo chamber. You fell right into the tripe. Ben, I might might a book on this topic, perhaps not a good one, and who would labor through it? So, forgive me a universe of unstated nuances and caveats That's priceless self importance. It's also nonsense. No one will ever accuse you of a fly speck of nuance Ben. That's just sloppy thinking. You're conflating globalism with military interventionism, but there many people including Kennedy's own class of people who made their fortunes through globalism, and wanted to continue that. A globalist outlook toward trade which has actually been in force for millennia doesn't mean an aggressive nationalist foreign policy. Interventionists were globalists, but not all globalists are interventionist. Ben In about 5 days from now, you'll hear that Biden was in you area of the world. His message in Hanoi (who don't like the Chinese at all) is that he's not trying to contain China. Why is he saying this ? Because as I say China is freaking out at a decoupling that he's been initiating. Everybody know this, and most of China's enemies including the U.S. would prefer China's descent be gradual. For someone who was like me and concerned about China's unprecedented economic rise over the last 30 years. It appears you're now another fussy date that will never be pleased. .

Ben for years now has repetitively pushed that we can learn about the "deep state" by studying the JFKA , which is complete BS. The power players are 1000 more diverse now, than an alleged U.S. NSS coup 60 years ago. So his next convenient buzzword is "globalists" which he also runs into the ground. Yet he'd be the last to know that we are going through the first period of de globalization in our lifetime brought on largely by Biden's who was much more adept at using the government to accomplish such ends than a novice like Trump was. The Chinese are freaking out about the U.S, exploring new supply chains and trying to fire up their industrial base again because this is happening concurrently when their their economy is demographically collapsing. To do this will not be easy and will take several years. The world at large has grown a little concerned about the U.S. economically "going their own way." Of course it's always been Ben's stupid idea to think he could wipe out foreign trade. Tell that to his country of residence Thailand or Vietnam who are begging for foreign investment. Or any major world superpower or any country in the world, for that matter who are looking for raw materials to fuel their economies and technologies into the modern age.

Papa Huckabee's has also been stirring up some sh-t.

Now it's revealed In Isaacson's new book Elon Musk ordered his Starlink satellite communications network to be turned off near the Crimean coast last year to hobble a Ukrainian drone attack on Russian warships, according to a new biography

This all interesting speculation because it's all true. Who knows what Joe Biden knows about his health? I think he's running and is just playing his health by ear and is in the race until further notice. And, if everything goes in a linear fashion in the next 14 months, Biden will be re elected. I don't put much faith in recent polling because it's so far out and these polls also include people who aren't going to vote. Sandy is right. I've been for Biden stepping down ever since he became President. But he has surprised me to the upside. Biden has taken some advantage of the disarray of the Republican Party with Independents. Doug is right, he is the most successful Democratic President in 40 years. He's definitely the most anti corporate and is shaping policy for the future. The corporate sector has been buttoning their lip on it, because they realize Trump is so divisive and so ridiculous. If Biden was to pull out before the end of the year for health reasons, I wouldn't worry about Harris's awkwardness. It would immediately become an open race. It's the period in "24" from March to the Demo convention that would really be chaos and force the decision to the at one time "smoke filled rooms" at the convention. The problem I have with Kamala Harris is that if we're going to piss off a good chunk of our population, we may as well get some bang for the buck for it, like Joe Biden, rather than just getting a lot of the opposition hunkering down in their culture wars, which a Black Asian American from California will do. All of that is not her fault, but she hasn't done enough to fill the gap with her own identity to offset the same old culture wars resistance. We'd get a lot more cooperation and be much better off with Gavine Newsome if Biden were to be replaced. Watching the way Newsome handled Sean Hannity, he can easily go on Fox and cross over. But then the question is after that. If Biden dodges all the obstacles and becomes President again. Ultimately the chance that Biden could fill out his term as a functioning President at 86, seems pretty bleak.

Is there a "deep state"? The short answer is no. The state that is working against you that you should be most concerned about is the one that's attempting to economically marginalize your existence or foothold in the middle class. There is nothing "deep" or hidden about this. There are no conferences such as Davos where their sinister plans are carried out in secret. No it's business as usual. There are no conspiracies, they just all think alike. They have taken the levers of power from you without firing a shot, without people scarcely knowing how. So in essence calling this "deep" is not taking responsibility for all of us letting it happen over the last 40 years. The reason you should be trying to figure out who killed JFK is because you care and have a desire to get down to the truth. Or maybe there's a sleuthing aptitude you bring to it, which is fine too. Get over this idea that exposing JFK killers as coming from the NSS will change the course of history and make the U.S. dismantle the War machine. It's just childish dreaming. You're not on a mission from God. The idea that the U.S. is run by MIC, takes no account of the changes of the last 60 years. It's much bigger than the MIC. The MIC and military spending only account for 3% of the total economy. Nobody plays favorites of one industry against the other. They are all invested in different degrees as the times dictate. This idea that the MIC deep state is thwarting all efforts of peace is wrong. There just isn't sufficient, actionable political will toward world peace that would put anybody's feet to the fire. To end on the most positive, possible note, If there was a world peace movement that truly caught on throughout the planet*, to wind down government expenditures on Defense, (maybe brought on by external events, such as a nuclear escalation in the Ukraine war). it would definitely be opposed by the industry. But ultimately if it was out in the open and had the popular will of the peoples of the world, what could anyone really do? In the final analysis it's just one industry, and it's not going to go out of business entirely. Both government and private allocations fluctuate over the course of time, and whole companies and national industries do, and have died. Though it sounds like a pipe dream. The average age of an America is 38. And they are much more likely to feel affected about this than the truth about an assassination 60 years ago.

Yeah, This is what being President means, dummy!

Uh huh, why mention "Jewish" at all? Exactly, implying that as a Jew, he's a high risk of being a traitor, but certainly throughout our lives and the entire 20th century there were Jews in the highest levels of government. A few have run for President. Sandy I remember in the previous incarnation of this thread, you thought anti semitism was some prejudice of Jewish "incompetence." It's the complete opposite. It's Prouty's expressed fear that a very competent foe is in a very sensitive National Security position. Believe me anyone in such a position would have been checked out 6 ways to Sunday! I still am not. Jeff , as I say I applaud your effort, and on the whole I enjoyed reading it. I went to your footnote when I first read it. And it opened to a 35 page document I don't have time to read. It's very unclear. Certainly there was no specific dialog there attributed to Prouty. What point are you making? Can you give me a specific page you want to direct me to? Are you making Sandy's point? As I've already said, you can just say. "Ok he's not perfect, but his politics and apparent prejudices are another matter entirely. We believe him as a very credible witness."

Well, we've been through this a few months back where Michael relentlessly made a solid case that Prouty is anti semitc. His points were completely unopposed leaving the pro Prouty faction paralyzed, and unable to dispute any of Michael's facts, and left to just hurl insults at Michael, impugning his character with shrieks of MCADAMS! which was very childish as it's obvious Michael isn't an LNer. And it's happening again. This isn't the way you win arguments. At one point, I suggested that pro Prouty group should stop their hemorrhaging and just concede, and say, "Ok he's not perfect, but his politics and apparent prejudices are another matter entirely. We believe him as a very credible witness." In my mind that would have been the end of the bulk of it. But the inability to counter any of Michael's charges and yet the denial was almost MAGA like. The only substantive response to Michael was Jeff Carter, so it comes as no surprise Jeff would sink considerable time in defending Prouty and Jim would out his work here and start this thread. Jeff, I applaud that you've done considerable time on this. And you've covered of few of the oppositions points, but you have in now way refuted Prouty's right wing ties. I bet none of you guys will read Michael's links, which are really more specific and substantial. Jeff was thorough in bringing up the oppositions points, but mostly, didn't really effectively counter them. Yes the fact that Prouty would criticize his government for having a "jew" in a very prominent position in the defense department obviously indicates a distrust to having Jews in in high sensitive National Security positions. It is very disparaging when someone has probably worked all of his life to have risen to such a high position is then summarily judged for his ethnicity and questioned for his patriotism. If you choose the complete denial route. I think the next most defensible position is that , despite all of his associations and his denial about knowing the first thing about his right wing associations, (which he's really good at, because you can witness how much he folded like an armchair and in essence betrayed us before Wray and company's questioning !)we can't know for sure what's going on in Prouty's mind. But I'd say, just look for such patterns in behavior. By looking for such patterns, some of us were magically able to get it right and were able to connect the dots on recent figures that have come to prominence in Politics and Broadcast Journalism. heh heh

So true Doug!, Thanks! Actually, I think that attitude can prolong your life. I think that's the mental mindset and spiritual outlook to longevity. But then making the connection to take care of your physical body and of course having the ability to employ some physical regimen, and of course a few breaks, could make you live a long time.

Good article in the NYT, Tracing the list of Trump's accomplices in his attempt to illegally overthrow the 2020 election. It is mapped out and divided into categories, Trump, right hand man- Meadows, Lawyers, Enablers, Fake electors, Witnesses and Resistors. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/31/opinion/politics/trump-indictment-election-key-players.html?unlocked_article_code=jkt_g17mEzJuJCpltoZIMDq67sRbipL0-0bxuVFmT8SP9q5zIVwKS-frBWiRDIYbkM-s4ORKDyffsjrkrSzFue_wOw6hhKSREoSt4Jf8XnAVrUsggCyFy9TB3Vz9Nwewhsne8n-pCBkVB2IQTQVocejhM8-eXJoiRF-8HzCyXjlVbZozJtaoLt4nr4AKfJ72kDwWBF7NFmtZQ1zKWOQDz-L0zJERUeiTTqBGYhpQxx6n61DzCMPtA-hKAXyWOEB9WFUV19sQbbdymHxLbF7OJn0bb_rulz8vz3Nz7pwW5OSyyir9lz3JcmmMKhXHI2kfL-OJ7SuNSTM10o0yKKPdbzidZU0zFbytxYmL1RhJxHiz9pt7pQJinlAhiWKfld9OTHvOW6yCVXU&smid=url-share

Yeah, it's difficult to say why that is. I'd like to think it's because the youth is starting to get involved in politics, and Putin's invasion of Ukraine has brought the 60's Cold War back into focus. And because younger people start out more to the left. JFK has become the sort of the reputed embodiment of that. He's also very interesting, sexy, and died tragically. But curiously, Of course the current everyday reminder of the Kennedy legacy is the RK candidacy, but that doesn't translate at all as he's been stuck between 13-15% for a few months now. For years here, there's been a narrative that the MSM has been out to destroy the Kennedys and all these tell all books talking of Kennedy scandal was some organized coup from the "deep state" and not the usual people just out to make a buck. Well despite all these evil efforts, doesn't this show that they've done nothing to really tarnish the Kennedy image? A new candidate from a new generation will have the wind at their backs.

Happy #100! No not for Mitch McConnell. Page 100 for the mainstream Koola! I believe Stormy.

Very cool! Claudia Conway , daughter of George and Kellyanne Conway is speaking out for woman's rights and against Scotus! Of course I've been seeing George a lot lately, as anti Trump a commentary as any Conservative voice in the media. He always makes a lot of sense and nails Trump to a tee! He sort of shines on their recent divorce. Could it be just because they're 2 career political junkies who had career political junkie irreconcilable differences? Here she is in a recent interview. https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/local/2022/07/04/claudia-conway-pro-choice-rally-nj-abortion-roe-v-wade/65366535007/

Well of course with your background W. You know better than anybody about this historic tendency toward a morbid national psyche that I first gleaned when I was young just through reading Crime and Punishment. I don't know if you checked out Vexler's shorter excerpts now regarding the deaths of Prigozhin and Dugin's daughter. I didn't realize that I had seen her as a newscaster, commentator perhaps on RT. At the end of the Dugin clip, he does warn of the susceptibility of the right and the gradual erosion of Democratic principles in the West. He gets a little dark and hypnotically a little "vexing" himself, heh heh, but I like him. Didn't Cotter call Putin "a great man" or maybe it was "a great leader?"

I liked this presentation from this Russian guy Vlad Vexler who talks about how Putin fooled the Western left. Chomsky, Jeffrey Sachs, Cornel West, Richard Wolfe and journalists like Greenwald, Mate' , Taibbi and Tulsi Gabbard. I know we can personally cite a few examples ourselves!

It's a good question, Eddie. I think what eventually happened might lead some credence to there not being those levers, and executive power holds supreme. And similar to the BOP, there was another attempt to push the executive in one direction that didn't materialize. I think the government had to improvise rather quickly (as it did involve a world stage)with a few good theories but no concrete answers, and with the desire to contain to avoid further speculation, took the most blameless path, the lone gunman, to avoid any messiness and counter claims. The intentions and the desire to set up Oswald as a pretext to invasion of Cuba was sniffed out and snuffed, and was considered prominent enough by LBJ and the higher echelons of government that a complete scotching of regime change in Cuba ensues, and directions become focused toward Vietnam. However it's more correct to say the overall fear of JFK was more specifically about the continuance of the Cold War than it was specifically about Vietnam. IMO

Yeah, try to pull that one again! What was weird was a second later when Chris Christie almost raised his hand but then turned into a wave. Then he got a little flustered and sort of incited the magats.

Donald Trump junior tries to crash the Republican debates with his fiance but is not allowed in and bitches about his free speech rights!

Yeah, So I suppose Oliver Stone's going to spin this as a tragedy that If we didn't make Putin invade Ukraine, him and Prigozhin would still be real good buddies? heh heh heh heh I guess we'll see how Democratic the Russian people have really become! heh heh ha ha