Pamela Brown
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1 hour ago, Jonathan Cohen said:
There is no evidence that he didn’t kill himself. The entire incident is captured on an audio recording.
Your opinion. You are entitled.
I am keeping an open mind...
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42 minutes ago, Norman T. Field said:
"George DeMohrenschildt was found dead with a bullet through his head".
The cause of death was a shotgun.
He may have been suicided.
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On 3/22/2023 at 10:35 AM, Michael Davidson said:
It might do . You dont look old enough to have been alive in 1964 . So , how old are you actually ?
Hijacking the thread?
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14 hours ago, Michael Davidson said:
Erm can i ask how old you were in 1964 ?
Does that make a difference to my recollection?
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On 3/18/2023 at 9:14 AM, Paul Brancato said:
Me neither. My dear departed dad talked or wrote to every relative and friend of his, and letters to the editor of all major newspapers and his own local rag claiming we had just witnessed a Coup and we should all get out on the streets and try to stop it.
It is amazing to me that nobody, including the Democrats, mentioned this in the ruckus over the 2020 election.
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1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:
Millions of Americans felt exactly as you did Pamela after watching that scene happen right in front of their eyes.
We all felt that Oswald had been silenced.
And that's why we all, to one extent or another, have worked to prove him innocent...
In my case, of course, it is the limo...as in, how could one person be killed, another almost killed, and a third (Jackie) nearly killed with a M/C with a misaligned site, leaving so little damage to the limo...
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On 3/13/2023 at 2:23 PM, David Josephs said:
According to Horne's film map of the original there are 7 splices, no "0183" perforated into the film, and well over 30 feet of film stock when re-combined. The assassination sequence exists completely on it's own piece of film within the entire length... claiming this isn't altered is absurd on its face.. whoever assembled this made 100% sure this could never be considered the "in-camera original".
BARRETT's report 12/4/63:
The camera was set to take normal speed movie film or 24 frames per second. The control buttons for the zoom-lens wore not touched once he started taking photographs of the Presidential motorcade.
MEMORANDUM
January 28, 1964
TO: J. Lee Rankin
FROM: David W. Belin
SUBJECT: Original Print of Zapruder Film
I was Informed that the FBI film of the assassination is a copy of a Secret Service copy of the original colored film taken by Zapruder. According to an interview with FBI Special Agent Robert M. Barrett, Zapruder states that the original print is on 16 mm fIlm and "is much clearer" than those appearing on the 8 mm film copies. (I assume that his 8 mm camera used the standard 16 mm film which is reversed and split In two in the course of processing.) See page 12 of December 10 Gemberling Report.
FBI Special Agent Shaneyfelt, with whom Mr. Bail and I discussed the problem of determination of speed of car and points of shots through use of the Zapruder film, felt that with a more clear film print it could give a more precise determination of the data we are endeavoring to obtain.
Shaneyfelt said that the primary use of the original Zapruder print would be under microscopic examination and that there should not be any Impairment of the quality of the film through such a microscopic check.
Inspector Tom Kelley of the Secret Service suggested that perhaps you might want to contact Henry Suydam of the Washington office of Life Magazine. He evidently has some familiarity with Mr. Kelley.
Thank you.
This is excellent. Thank you.
The real question, imo, is not whether or not the Zfilm(s) were altered, but to what extent and with what ill-intent they were altered...
The copy of the Zapruder that I saw in NYC in 1964 was clear.
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My family of Methodists stayed at home from church that day. We were transfixed by the assassination, and had the TV on Sunday morning. We were, in fact, eating Swanson chicken TV dinners in front of the TV.
The channel switched from coverage of Jackie and the children to the Dallas jail. When I first saw Lee Oswald that morning I thought, "thank goodness, he's been allowed to change his clothes." I thought he looked like a college student, instead of a scruffy n'er-do-well. In the next moments I remember the officer (Lavelle) seeming to pull at him, scuffle and then he was down. It was surreal. It was more powerful emotionally to me even than the assassination of JFK, at that moment.
I felt right from the start that Lee Oswald was being silenced. And I began to distrust anything the gov't/news was telling us...
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To my thinking, there is no question that the Zfilm(s) have been altered, as everyone acknowledges they have been spliced in at least two places...
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When you talk about "National Socialists", such as Gehlen, who came over to the US after WWII, you probably don't realize that you may be touching on an occult weapon that was supposedly used to generate political assassination.
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On 2/27/2023 at 9:07 PM, Matthew Koch said:
Pamela, I lean more towards that RFK was being manipulated by Walter Sheridan. What I understand from Larry's appearance on Tucker Carlson tonight is that NBC is withholding the Sheridan papers and if this bill passes they will have to turn it over. Then we can see if that is accurate or not what I said about Sheridan. Stone didn't say much about RFK in the movie other than he was shot. I don't think the movie could have gone any longer being 3hrs, which is why things had to be simplified and composite characters were made, the movie was made for people who weren't JFK researchers to garner interest, so it had to be simplified to main points imo.
We certainly do see things differently. I see Bobby as ruthless, the ultimate insider, with his hands in a lot of pots both before and after the assassination of JFK.
I agree that it will be fascinating to read the Sheridan papers...
Hard to imagine Stone could have absolutely no interest in Bobby's activities...
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16 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:
Hi Pamela, have you seen JFK Revisited: Destiny Betrayed? I ask because Israel's nuclear facility was mentioned in it and JFK's battle with David Ben-Gurion. I read Final Judgment along time ago, and while I do think Piper does have a point that the Permindex connection does connect to Israel, I didn't think it made a good case that Mossad was running James Jesus Angleton or Jack Ruby. While the producer connection of JFK being an Isreali arms dealer or whatever is interesting. I don't think many people knew about this connection to Israel at the time of the movie came out and I think Oliver made the movie in good faith with the prominent JFK researchers at the time (Many of whom have lost some prestige since then... like Robert Groden and Jim Marrs) I think Stone started using the counter myth quote to try to get the media of his back, which as we see gave fodder to the Isreal did it crowd.
On a side note, I've got a couple of pics from your Lancer presentation that if you want I can forward them to you via email?
You seem comfortable with your position on Stone. That's fine.
I happen to have a working hypothesis that there may be more to what he does than meets the eye.
For one thing, Stone does not in any way involve RFK in the slander attacks on Jim Garrison in the movie JFK. I find this puzzling, as RFK turns up repeatedly as having been a motivating factor in this campaign to demolish both Garrison's character and his case...
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On 2/24/2023 at 2:33 PM, Matthew Koch said:
Pat other than a Texan Looks at Lyndon, what right wing books are you talking about? The earliest books were written by communists (Thomas Bucannan and Joachim Joesten) Raymond Marcus was a republican but his book is just about CE399. I'm pretty sure people in the community don't trust Mary Ferrell do to her child being married to a DeMorenschidt and that she is part of the former intelligence workers that David Atlee Phillips set up with Claire Booth Luce.
Pat don't you believe that the dictabelt is nonsense?
The backlash against Stone started with Herald Weisberg, members? I've come to see some (mostly from people like Weisberg not the media) of these attacks of Stone as somewhat justified because they were afraid he was going to do what he did with the Doors movie and put things in that didn't happen. I now think had that campaign not happened JFK would not have been as good a movie as it was, and I think it caused Stone and others to up their game so to speak. But I'm glad you brought that up because the Tucker attacks are pretty similar afraid of what he might do or unrelated things that happened in the past.
No need to thank me Pat, lol, do you think I would post the videos if I had not watched them? I'm guessing you didn't based on what you said. Tucker, I think, had Posner on to ask if there's nothing to hide why are they still holding them back. Can you explain the last point of: "He was brought on, moreover, to assure Tucker's audience that the release of more files will probably embarrass the intelligence agencies--who they view as anti-Trump" I can't follow the logic of why Trump would hold back the files to not embarrass the people who are anti him? I was pretty mad at Trump at the time it wasn't until shortly after this time that I started to like Trump for standing up to the Woke Mob. I kinda now understand why a Presidents don't want to release the files of their watch. Why would anyone who wants to accomplish things in their administration want to alienate the intelligence services and dampen the prestige of the USA(I'm not saying it's right, just I understand) Notice how you have to put the case in general terms of "Right Wingers" so as to include the whole spectrum right through guilt by association.. this is another reason why I see you as a partisan lefty (also your BLM and other Cliche lefty causes you virtue signaled earlier) which is why people like you seem to want to do the mental gymnastics that LBJ wasn't on the left because the parties switched and all the people who originally started the KKK aka democrats were actually republicans the whole time. Which is rather funny because the same thing at happened to populist Trump happened to populist Kennedy in that the 'Establishment' of both parties worked together to undermine them.
Michael Collins Piper, in Final Judgment, considers Stone and JFK part of the Ongoing Coverup. He seems to think Stone tries to point us in another direction with his changes from fact to fiction or, as Stone says, Myth/Countermyth...(p280)
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On 2/24/2023 at 5:15 PM, Pat Speer said:
This theory doesn't hold much water, IMO. The circumstances of the shooting had way more to do with it than any mindset. Think about the deaths of MLK, RFK, and John Lennon, and the shootings of Wallace and Nixon. The vast majority of people were satisfied with the official solutions. Not so with JFK.
And there's a reason for his. Because it stinks, stank, stunk.
Just the same, they all (not Nixon!) may qualify as Murders Most Foul...
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13 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:
FWIW personally I think it mirrors the RFK and Reagan Assassination more so, Chapman may have been an MK/Ultra type hypno-programming victim like Sirhan is believed to be. There is a theory in all three that the Schizo with the Gun is the distraction and that like the movie the Parallax View someone else shot the victim while people were distracted looking at a scapegoat commit in their minds the crime. Chapman has a connection to World Vision (which is thought to be a CIA charity front)https://themillenniumreport.com/2018/12/world-vision-international-a-c-i-a-front-like-so-many-other-charities-and-philanthropic-organizations/ that connection is shared by John Hinkley who shot Ronald Reagan. There is a belief amongst some researchers that Catcher in the Rye was used to program lone wolf assassins (The movie Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson references it) https://rare.us/rare-media/entertainment-and-culture/catcher-and-the-rye-conspiracy-theories/
I would agree that all these assassins look like man-cans. In the assassination attempt of Pres. Reagan, it was, in a sense, the limo that saved his life, as an SS man pushed him behind the door. In RFK's assassination there was no limo.
Nevertheless, they can all be considered Murders (or attempt) Most Foul...
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Ironically, the assassination of John Lennon looks in some ways as though it mirrors the assassination of JFK...
involves a limo, wife narrowly escapes being killed as well, 'lone-nut gunman', and, of course...a powerful cover-up that continues today...
In fact, all that is missing are the red roses...
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On 1/21/2023 at 9:30 AM, Paul Brancato said:
This article which I’ve read many times hits bullet points but unfortunately is not footnoted. I still think she was onto something important, and over the years many authors and researchers have fleshed out some of her statements.
Speaking as someone who grew up with a family of National Socialist's brought over by Wehrner Von Braun, I can say that there was definitely a movement to bring all their ideology to this country with the intent of running it. May is definitely on the right track...
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Were the Beatles part of a mind-control experiment to turn youth on to drugs, etc?
Here are a couple of articles ...
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What do you make of this? Interesting Beatles mention, no Dylan...
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A different look at the pandemic...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/the-corona-typewriter-plague-of-pilfered-lyrics/
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7 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:
As I've indicated, I pulled a lot of punches in my review of Wiesak's book, because, again, I believe that its valid content outweighs its problematic content. I could have cited several more problems with her chapter on Israel. Moreover, I did not even discuss a single errant claim in her chapter on Laos/Vietnam, of which there are many. I simply noted that the research behind the chapter was lopsided and that she apparently had not read any serious studies that challenge the liberal view on Laos/Vietnam.
For example, she makes the astoundingly erroneous claim that "By the late 1960s, the South Vietnamese no longer wanted the Americans in South Vietnam, but the U.S. remained there because it wanted to be there" (pp. 160-161). Where in the world does she get this ridiculous claim?
The vast majority of South Vietnamese in the late 1960s, certainly from the time of the January-February 1968 Tet Offensive onward, not only wanted us there but were glad we were there, because the North Vietnamese launched three major offensives in the late 1960s, and those offensives would have succeeded if we had not been there. The South Vietnamese were acutely aware that the Communists murdered thousands of South Vietnamese civilians during those offensives, and this was a major reason that support for the Saigon regime among the people rose dramatically after the Tet Offensive. I defy anyone to cite a non-communist period source that says otherwise, or any non-communist post-war South Vietnamese memoirs or articles that say otherwise.
Finally, regarding the replies to my comments about her chapter on Israel, all the arguments and claims that have been made/repeated are answered in the links I provided in my two previous replies.
A compelling, though flawed book on Israel and the JFK assassination is Final Judgement...
https://www.amazon.com/Final-Judgment-Missing-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp/0974548405
The Mossad was not behind the assassination; however, I do think there were influences intended to move events in a way that helped Israel. This book gives a lot of food for thought, imo.
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15 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:
Cheers, Ron. McNamara soiled what could have been a decent legacy. I do wonder what he knew about the JFKA.
I agree. McNamara was in the middle of a lot of things, from the choice of a Lincoln for JFK's limo to choosing the burial spot for JFK.
I sent McNamara a copy of Car Crash Culture and did my best to contact him. I even left my phone number with his house boy. But he never replied.
He knew a lot of secrets...
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5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
Let me add a personal story about the whole laser demonstration movement.
Many years ago, I was called up by a TV producer who was doing a JFK special for CNN. He wanted to talk to me about some matters dealing with the case. So I met with him and he told me his capstone would be a laser demonstration, showing the SIngle Bullet Fantasy was false. He was going to be very accurate about the positioning in the car, and the locations of the wounds. He had photos, and Groden would be there to do the positioning. He was really proud of what this would be.
Except it did not happen. On the day it was to be filmed, out of the blue, Dr. VIncent Di Maio showed up in Dealey Plaza. And he changed it all. The producer decided not to go through with it since he and Groden got into a shouting match with the good doctor. Who was demonstrably wrong.
I later talked to the producer. He told me that after he walked off, one of the executives called him up to his office. He started in on a harangue against Groden as a conspiracy theorist. And therefore he could not be trusted. When the producer tried to show how everything he was doing was accurate, the guy got up, started pounding his fist into his hand, and shouting as he was walking back and forth in front of him. As his voice got louder, he started pounding his fist harder. Except he was so absorbed, he forgot he had a ring on his fist and he was pounding so hard his hand started bleeding.
This is what the JFK case does to the major media. And if anyone ever tells you that the higher circles do not work together ask them how DiMaio, who was not a consultant on the film, magically showed up on the set that day.
Fascinating...
Ironically, when I was working with the Discovery Channel on ITTC, the producer talked to me about their earlier show "Beyond the Magic Bullet"..and he acknowledged that they had come up short...
Who did the deed?
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I do think there is another layer, or dimension, to the JFKA that has been concealed until now by the ongoing coverup...