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On 8/18/2023 at 2:43 PM, Sandy Larsen said:
(Note: I disagree with Pamela's "explosive" characterization of Oswald's response. Hosty's interpretation of it was "agitated.")
Pamela,
The following exchange occurred before it was pointed out to Hosty that some of his testimony contradicted what he had told the WC. As I posted earlier, this is when they dropped the subject of Mexico City after Oswald asked Hosty how he knew about it.
Mr. Wallach. Do you recall what Oswald's answer was when he did calm down to the question of what he had been doing in Mexico City?
Mr. Hosty. He never answered it.
Mr. Wallach. He never answered it?
Mr. Hosty. No, sir.
Mr. Wallach. So he did not tell the interrogators whether or not he had been in Mexico City?
Mr. Hosty. Right.
Mr. Epstein. After you mentioned Mexico City to the police captain and he challenged you, and you said you didn't respond--
Mr. Hosty. I did not respond.
Mr. Epstein. He did not. And you did not respond?
Mr. Hosty. He asked me how I knew, and I did not respond.
Mr. Epstein. What happened then?
Mr. Hosty. Captain Fritz went on to another question.
Source: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1406#relPageId=29 (Page 30. Pages 25 to 37 have the full exchange.)
I'll stick to 'explosive' for now...
BTW, here is a definition of 'agitated'...
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/agitated
Mr, Hosty did not 'drop the subject'. It is my understanding that Lee refused to answer any more of Hosty's questions after he asked Lee about Mexico City...
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Sandy, do you have a cite for Agent Hosty saying the subject of Mexico City was 'dropped' after Lee's explosive reaction to Hosty's question?
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6 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
So Pamela.
Which story is true?
The one Hosty gave to the WC? Or the one he shared with you?
I lost all respect for Hosty when he admitted ( chuckling ) that he withheld the truth of his destruction of his FBI office's file on Oswald just one day after Jack Ruby whacked Oswald, in his Warren Commission testimony.
When asked why he didn't tell the WC the "full" truth and "nothing but the truth-so help me God " regarding his agency's destruction of their Oswald file ( mind blowing important evidence ) and violated his oath to do so,
Hosty smugly, blithely remarked ..."They didn't ask me." !!!
They didn't ask you?
How could they even know what to ask you? The only person who could tell them about your destruction of your agency's Oswald file would be you! Or your boss who ordered it...James Gordon Shanklin.
If the Warren Commission had been told that your agency had purposely destroyed your Oswald file just days after the JFKA it would have blown the investigation into a full blown panic! The entire investigation would have been compromised.
The FBI destroying mind blowing important evidence like their Oswald file would have destroyed the FBI's credibility.
Hosty put his agency and his own standing and retirement position before his oath to tell the WC the "full" truth and "nothing but the truth."
And in so doing cheated the American people the chance to hear and know much more of the truth about Oswald than they were told.
The Warren Commission's mission of finding the full truth was way, WAY more important than the FBI's reasons for destroying their Oswald file...and keeping this truth from them.
Hosty blatantly l*** to the WC in purposely keeping the full truth from them.
And you would think Hosty would have fully honored his WC oath that included the words ... "so help me God" even more so being that he was a Catholic.
But even an oath of full truth telling "to God" took a second place to protecting his job and his employer.
I don't see it as 'either/or' but when. Initially, Lee was outraged that Hosty knew about Mexico City. Subsequent to that, Lee may have been doing CYA.
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21 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
In his Church Committee testimony, Agent Hosty first said that when he asked about Mexico City, in response Oswald became agitated and asked how he knew about that. After which the topic was dropped.
This contradicted Hosty's Warren Commission testimony. When confronted with that, Hosty changed his testimony. This time he said that, when asked about Mexico City, Oswald replied by saying he had never been there. The only city in Mexico he had been to was Tijuana. Which is what is reported in the extant interrogation reports we have.
Source: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1406#relPageId=29 pages 25 to 37
When I spoke with Hosty he said Lee's initial reaction was outrage that Hosty knew about Mexico City.
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12 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Pamela,
Oswald did deny the Mexico City trip in his interrogations.
That was not his response to Agent Hosty...
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It is my understanding that Lee Oswald became outraged when Mr. Hosty asked him about Mexico City. I don't think he denied being there.
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On 8/5/2023 at 6:15 PM, Steve Jaffe said:
Calvin:
I think your list is well put together in terms of knowing the facts of the case but I suggest you read the book that started it all, Mark Lane's Rush to Judgment and his other books, such as Plausible Denial). You should also read James DiEugenio's Destiny Betrayed, "JFK Revisited" (documentary) and "JFK" (made into films by Oliver Stone). That way you get a view of the evidence from the point of view of a criminal defense attorney who was also someone who successfully "prosecuted" the case in a trial court. It's also necessary to understand the case from a high level member of the intelligence world like Col. Fletcher Prouty who wrote JFK: The CIA, Vietnam and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy.
With all due respect, I am unable to include in any list of good JFK/A material, anything that references the Garrison investigation while managing to avoid dealing with the behind-the-scenes shenanigans of RFK. That leaves out JFK and probably JFK/R (which I have yet to view) and DB at the very least...
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If we add into the mix JFK's To the Moon speech, it becomes even more evident how much of a threat he represented...
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Perhaps we are being distracted. Imagine, for example, a 3-hour saga about the Garrison investigation that includes not one mention of any of RFK's behind-the-scenes shenanigans...
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If Sheridan were to have claimed that Bobby would open up the investigation into the murder of JFK he probably would have just been trolling...
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It is my impression that RFK was doing mainly CYA after the assassination. The purpose was to position himself to be elected. Any connection to Lee Oswald, no matter how slight, or the underworld, even though he was basically prosecuting them, had to be demolished. I see him as positioning his people to go after Jim Garrison's investigation for that reason. It just hit too close to home.
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I agree that if a thread is moved there should at least be a link from the old location to the new location. Otherwise, it could be perceived as hiding a thread, rather than moving...
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10 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
The whole purpose of this post was to show how mainstream media (purposely) conflates celebrity or dubious conspiracy theories with the JFKA case.
In some cases it seems that demands to 'move a thread' are a distraction consistent with other such diversions, such as 'hijacking a thread'.
Any of us can choose to ignore a thread or a poster and move on...
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16 hours ago, Jonathan Cohen said:
This thread has no further purpose here. Moderators, please move this baseless conspiracy speculation out of this section of the forum.
Unless there are characteristics of the death, or possible assassination, of Princess Diana which are consistent with characteristics of the assassination of JFK, in which case they might both be, for example, Murders Most Foul and discussion would be appropriate in this thread...
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53 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:
Funny that the David Cole of the Vietnam war is going to start off with insults instead of researching the topic, lol!
You literally sound like Jim Moore with your lame insults..
I don't start researching conspiracies until there is a pattern and Princess Diana saying they are plotting to kill her in a car accident and that's how she died and the fact that all the cameras in the tunnel malfunctioned and didn't record the event.. I'd say there is two highly unlikely things coming together and that tends to only happen in conspiracies.. You know like molten metal pouring out of the WTC building before the "collapse" which isn't scientifically possible and NORAD doing drills for the same thing happening at the same time so they responded to phantoms in the drill instead of the hijacking, and we won't get started on Norman Menetta and the "Do the orders still stand?" with Dick Cheney that's obviously way over YOUR head...
Prouty is referring to British SAS not that there is one secret team that does conspiracies all over the world like the watchmen.. It's rather humorous that you will entertain there being people involved with the Dallas Police that were Military Intelligence but that British SAS might have been among the paparazzi that chased the car and may have helped cause the crash (since the cameras went out, we don't know)
I don't know if it is a conspiracy, but my scales definitely tip towards conspiracy considering Diana predicted her own death and it happened in the same manner she said..We are indeed living with the sad reality of what Diana predicted.
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7 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
In context, RFK Jr's comments were not offensive.
Neither were his comments about C19 regimes and Nazi Germany.
RFK Jr. is not perfect; none of us are.
IMHO, he is better than the options and has not done an illegal snuff job on the JFK Records Act, ala the Puppet-Dictator-in-Chief.
So...who do we vote for?
I find them startling. I am curious, as they may point to a connection as yet concealed that may come to light...
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5 hours ago, K K Lane said:
As I understand it, RFK Jr. referenced a research paper that discussed how COVID may have disparate ethnic resilience and, importantly, RFK Jr. did not assert that any potential disparate impactof COVID across ethnicities was a design intention.
"Engineered to spare..."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/15/us/politics/rfk-jr-remarks-covid.html
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On 7/28/2023 at 3:08 AM, Benjamin Cole said:
Yes. I note so in the post title.
I am running reviews of past media coverage...hopefully instructive as we approach the big 60.
This year and next promises to be doozies.
We have the JFK Records Act, the 60th anniversary of the JFKA, and RFK Jr. running for president, and publicly stating the CIA was connected to the JFKA, and that LHO was a CIA asset.
Op Mock on steroids, coming your way.
RFK Jr. also stated that he thought the Corona plague was designed in such a way as to protect Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese...
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On 7/28/2023 at 7:39 AM, Michael Griffith said:
The article mentions the conspiracy theories about Princess Diana's death. Well, just remember that Fletcher Prouty said, in writing, that he would not be surprised to learn that the Secret Team assassinated Princess Diana. It is exactly that kind of nutjob material that makes all conspiracy theorists look like crackpots, like uneducated people on the fringe of society.
Of course, Prouty said nuttier things than that, yet we have a number of conspiracy theorists who continue to quote him and defend him.
Princess Diana did pretty much predict what was supposed to happen to her and why...and that's what we're living with now...
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16 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:
Pamela,
The Beatles first trip to the U.S. was on February 7, 1964.
Your November 18, 1963 news clip (above) was, apparently, the first time the Beatles were mentioned on U.S. television, after returning to Heathrow from a Swedish tour.
You're right. I was thinking/hoping they had made a low-key trip to NYC for the interview.
Just the same, the coincidence in timing of this broadcast just a few days before the JFK assassination is eery...
(In other odd coincidences, my daughter's birthday happens to be February 7th, my younger son's around the same day as the last luncheon show at the Cavern Club, my older son's a few days prior to the day John Lennon was assassinated, and their father's birthday was December 7.)
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On 7/23/2023 at 10:21 PM, W. Niederhut said:
Ron,
I remember those Beatle wigs for sale at Woolworth's, (in 1964) and my older relatives being shocked and appalled by the Beatles' haircuts.
My older sister bought a copy of that Vee Jay album, Introducing the Beatles, in 1964, and I know for certain that Please, Please Me was the first track on Side Two of her copy of the album.
(I bought a vinyl copy of that album many years later, but it didn't include the Please, Please Me track.)
The Beatles' first U.S. hit single, I Want to Hold Your Hand, went to #1 in the U.S. in January of 1964.
1964 was when I first heard their music, including their historic February 1964 appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show-- almost a year after they released Please, Please Me in the U.K.
As Bob Dylan mentioned in Murder Most Fowl, the Beatles' historic U.S. invasion happened on the heels of the JFK assassination.
However, the Beatles first trip to the US was just prior to the JFK assassination...
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On 7/23/2023 at 10:22 PM, W. Niederhut said:
Wow. Cool. The Cavern Club in Liverpool?
Yes!
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9 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:
This might be of interest to some on the forum in relation to other current threads. 60 years ago today.
The Supreme Court of East Germany sentenced Hans Globke in absentia to life imprisonment "for continued war crimes committed with complicity and crimes against humanity in partial combination with murder".[79
Yesterday, the 22nd, The Beatles first US album released. I remember Beatle wigs for sale at a drug store in Denver, and my dad scoffing at them, who would want to wear their hair that long? Me, later.
Please Please Me became the first record album by The Beatles to be released in the United States. Vee Jay Records deleted two of the songs that had appeared on the British version introduced on March 22, including the title song, "Please Please Me".[78
I was in Edinburgh, and watched their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club on TV...Feb, 1963...
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On 7/21/2023 at 5:20 PM, Kirk Gallaway said:
Jack Schlossberg, Caroline Kennedy's son, has forcefully come out against his Uncle, says he's not fit to be President, endorsed Joe Biden and expresses concern for the Kennedy legacy! I'm also concerned.
https://www.cnn.com/media/sites/cnn/video-placeholder.svg
It looks like the Kennedy family is tearing itself apart. That is unfortunate...
Edwin Lopez: Oswald never visited embassies in Mexico City
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by Pamela Brown
It seems to me that Lopez and the report are tiptoeing through the tulips. They say one thing in one place and another somewhere else. Here is an example where the report says that they cannot confirm (nor deny the possibility) that there was an imposter...
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/lopezrpt_2003/html/LopezRpt_0264a.htm
Their approach seems also somewhat ham-handed. They say that Lee spoke good Russian, so anyone speaking broken Russian could not be Lee. Well, suppose when agitated and under pressure, Lee spoke broken Russian. Or suppose Lee hired someone to impersonate him (for reasons unknown).
In another place the report acknowledges that Lee himself must have come to the Cuban embassy at least once because he filled out and signed a visa with a signature consistent with his handwriting. But they also say that they cannot confirm that it was Lee who visited the Cuban embassy.
For whatever reason, including the possibility that Lopez/Hardway were denied information that they needed or were instructed to keep things purposefully vague by powers unknown, it seems as though they were incapable of coming completely to grips with the mystery that is Lee Oswald and Mexico City.