Pamela Brown
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11 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:
Fox News is carrying a frontpage story on this:
All of this with nary. a peep...why? Why now?
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11 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/04/12/odd-coincidences-of-1-and-9/
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We can choose to keep an open mind to what others have to say. We can weigh and evaluate what they put forth and decide for ourselves what to think. We can agree to disagree. We can put someone on ignore if we don't want to read what they write.
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14 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:
Well, when the thread was made about me being banned Jeremy said that since I denied being a right wing extremist.. That meant I was one, because if I wasn't one, I wouldn't have a problem being called that.. and William Niederhut Harvard Class of 83' agreed with him and Alex Wilson and you even cited Alex's work as being very good..
I guess this is Karma because by your guys' logic this proves you are one! I guess that's why you bring up Laurnet Guyénot (Israel killed the Kennedy's) so much! lololololols
Now what does Oliver Stone's opinion on Russia have to do with this being on the main JFK page and not deep politics section, next to the Allen Dulles and the Yahtzee's?
Well, for one, Oliver Stone's opinion on Russia may influence his opinion on the JFK/A...
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1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:
So what do you suggest we do, Jeremy? Kick off from the forum any member who points something out that Jonathan Cohen thinks is nonsense? What about if you think so? Or I, or Kathy, or Mark? Greg Parker?
There is something called agreeing-to-disagree...
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12 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:
For the record: no one has ever duplicated what the WC said Oswald did without cheating.
For the Commission they fired at stationary targets from about half the height they said LHO was allegedly at.
With CBS they enlarged the target when they found their ace sniper could not do it according to rote. This last piece of info was discovered by the late Roger Feinman who worked for CBS and pilfered their files.
And then there was the Discovery Channel program Beyond the Magic Bullet which the producer acknowledged to me was totally flawed...
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On 5/5/2023 at 9:22 AM, John Cotter said:
Are you working for the CIA, Jonathan?
It’s supremely ironic that the CIA weaponised the term “conspiracy theory” in order to shut down investigations into their dirty work – the covert operations which were the very definition of conspiracies.
The knee-jerk reaction of most of Jonathan's posts that I have read seems somewhat immature.
I sincerely doubt an agency would be interested...
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I think the key to these assassinations is that they are all Murders Most Foul...
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On 5/5/2023 at 9:14 AM, Jonathan Cohen said:
To say nothing of how absolutely ludicrous these theories are, there's already (regrettably) another current thread on this subject. Why another separate one?
Methinks he doth protest too much...
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On 5/5/2023 at 7:16 AM, Jonathan Cohen said:
The level to which you are misinformed about this is truly staggering, to say nothing of the unspoken implication you're making. They didn't "transform" her into anything. Her first husband, to whom she was married in 1959, was a New York photographer named Hans Lownds, He was a widow, and his previous wife was named Shirley. He asked if his new bride would change her name, so that he would not need to be reminded daily of the pain of his previous wife's passing. She agreed. She was using this name when she met and later married Dylan. They were together for 13 years and raised five talented, well-adjusted children. The end.
My point (which you ignored) is the fact that Bob's choosing the second anniversary of the assassination of JFK, 11.22.65, to 'marry' Shirley/Sara speaks volumes, imo, toward what I consider his claim as an 'invisible man' in the assassination of JFK.
BTW, Shirley/Sara was recruited by Grossman's wife, Sally. Bob tried to fulfill the iteration of 'family man' but the 'marriage' was exposed as a sham. This is even predicted, in Bob's own inimitable way, in Visions of Johanna, which was written in part on November 9, 1965. In it, Sara (Louise),is portrayed as a bore; Bob is miserable, and instead is desperately yearning for the elusive and seductive Johanna.
And as far as demise of the 'marriage' is concerned, it all blew up in a very public way, including the agonizing album Blood on the Tracks. Surely you have heard of that?
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14 hours ago, Jonathan Cohen said:
Hardly. I'm saying that the meaning you're deriving from them, ie., that he somehow has insider knowledge about various political assassinations of the 1960s and may have been involved in them (??!?(, is absolutely absurd and without any evidence to support it.
Bob secretly married Shirley Navitsky...whom he and Albert Grossman transformed into "Sara Lownds" on 11.22.65
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On 5/1/2023 at 11:51 AM, Jonathan Cohen said:
Uhhhh, no. He isn't. And I believe it's beyond absurd to think he is.
So are you saying Dylan does not have more than one level of meaning to his lyrics?
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On 5/1/2023 at 9:27 AM, Jonathan Cohen said:
Have you read Jefferson Morley's "The Ghost" ? I would think this would strongly disabuse any rational person of the notion that Israel was involved in Kennedy's assassination.
On 5/1/2023 at 9:27 AM, Jonathan Cohen said:Have you read Jefferson Morley's "The Ghost" ? I would think this would strongly disabuse any rational person of the notion that Israel was involved in Kennedy's assassination.
With all due respect, that's an appeal to authority.
I thought that book was trying to muddy the waters around JJA...
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5 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:
I don’t blame him for not talking. He is a very vulnerable position.
Neither do I. His situation is terrible and he was treated unfairly. To me, that is a clear indication of just how far Israelis will go when they perceive a threat.
On the other hand, at least he is still alive...
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3 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:
Not just Kennedy’s. Moral, independently wealthy, idealists, are the antithesis of most of the people in positions of great political power.
JFK, RFK, Teddy, JFK Jr.
Unfortunately, I see the Kennedys at the top of the list...
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Another thorn in the side of the Israelis was the fact that JFK's policy on Israel was fair-minded. He wanted both sides to be treated equally. He wanted reparations for the homes and land appropriated by Israelis...
Angleton, on the other hand, was a Zionist.
So was LBJ.
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18 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:
In contrast it was Joseph Kennedy Snr (along with Chamberlain, British PM) who suggested that FDR use the entire quota of immigrants entrants for Jewish people who wished to escape the odious situation in Europe. FDR said; it’s not our problem, or something to that affect.
If Israel were to be mad about anything, it might be the Rockefeller’s selling oil to Hitler, and other industrialists profiting, or even the fact the US helped 1000 scientists escape GWierman and gave then freedom in the USA.
I think Joe’s recalling was more to do with his close relationship with Chamberlain and others, and FDR didn’t feel he was getting the full picture from his ambassador. ie he didn’t have his full confidence and Joe was running his mouth. The friction starts there. The Patriach by Nasaw covers a lot of this.
With all due respect, that comes across as being a tad Kennedy-appeasing...
From the Israeli standpoint, Never Again means just that. I do not think a Kennedy will ever be permitted to hold a high office again. I would love to be mistaken...
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BTW, I have communicated with Mordechai Vanunu in the past. He considered me too controversial and a possible threat to his being able to leave Israel to give a formal interview to.
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Just now, Jonathan Cohen said:
There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support such a claim, much like your prior insinuation that Bob Dylan is somehow involved in the assassination too...
Your opinion. You are entitled. I disagree.
Bob Dylan is choosing to bring things to light in Murder Most Foul.
I do think MMF is about more than just JFK. I think it is also about other assassinations, including that of John Lennon...hence some of the musical references.
Is Bob hinting that he is an 'invisible man' in some of these events?
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On 4/27/2023 at 10:57 AM, Pete Mellor said:
It wasn’t until 1983, when journalist Jim Gaines got to interview Mark Chapman in prison and conducted lengthy audio interviews with him, that Perdomo’s name surfaced to the world. In a subsequent 1987 People magazine article, Gaines wrote:
At the Dakota, Chapman had only the Dakota’s night doorman, José Perdomo, to keep him company. José was an anti-Castro Cuban, and they talked that night of the Bay of Pigs and the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
Directly after the shooting, as public & press began gathering outside on the street, Perdomo stated he did not want to be outside as doorman, and got one of the other Dakota staff to work as doorman. So Perdomo was never seen or interviewed or photographed by press.
Also, Perdomo was supposed to have given a statement to police and D.A. in N.Y. but this has never seen the light of day.
I don't see how discussing whether or not Perdomo was a factor in the assassination of John Lennon is any different than discussing if Thane Cesar was a factor in the assassination of Bobby Kennedy...
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On 4/25/2023 at 1:17 PM, Michael Griffith said:
Yes, please move this nuttiness out of the JFKA forum. It's embarrassing. It's bad enough that we have some people peddling 9/11 Truther craziness in this forum.
Even if what happened to John Lennon may be a Rosetta Stone to what happened to JFK?
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10 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
I don't believe John Lenon's assassination was deep state hit. I also love John. But he lived in a bubble. He finally got political largely after it became passe. He died 10 years after "Working class hero" and if you lived through the 70's, you know everything changed. Hoover was dead. John could freely live and travel in the U.S. He was no longer any political threat and would go on Mike Douglas daytime TV with Yoko, present awards at the Grammies.
The most controversial things he said in the last 5 years of his life were personal recollections, many about the Beatles..
Good points. That being said, why was John still a threat?
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19 hours ago, Jonathan Cohen said:
This is one of the more embarrassing threads on this forum in recent memory, and that's really saying something ...
Then why not put us on ignore and move on to something worthy of your attention...
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I don't see the problem of Israeli involvement in the assassination of JFK in terms of a particular person or administration, per se. Instead, I see this as an objection to the Kennedys because of Papa Joe's appeasement of Hitler, which was so objectionable that FDR felt he had to recall him from the Court of St. James.
In that light, any Kennedy in high office can be perceived as a problem for Israel.
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The Ongoing Coverup is about more than the assassinations...