On 9/2/2020 at 9:09 PM, Tony Krome said:

You guys jumped a little too quick, the bullet was right where she said it was.

Tony, you aren't saying this sarcastically are you?

If not, do you agree about my reasoning to explain Nurse Hall's not following up on seeing the bullet? 

She probably assumed someone of authority took control of the bullet and would handle it's provenance and evidence handling.

When she never heard another word about it, what could she do? Maybe she thought things such as a bullet might be held in secret for years and trusted the government in this matter.

In another interview with the TXSBD 6th floor museum project Nurse Hall was asked her political views back in 1963.

She stammered a little and tried to make a joke out of the fact that she was definitely anti-Kennedy ...

stating simply "I'm very conservative."

Perhaps feeling a little uncomfortable revealing this and thinking maybe some in the audience might feel she wasn't as sympathetic toward and devastated by the brutal slaughter of JFK?

But she was honest about her political/JFK feelings back in 1963.

That spoke well about her personal integrity and honesty imo.

If this story from Nurse Hall is made up, it shows some type of mental break or older age dementia IMO.

She goes into details that if made up might be easy to discount. She describes who came into the trauma room hallway in order and name and position and describes emotional states of LBJ and Jackie.

She describes JFK's body as dressed in nice pants, yet inferring his upper body was exposed with his head and shoulders area covered with Jackie hovered down over JFK to block others from seeing his bloody head.

In the least, her observations with details indicate to me that she "was" in the crush of medical and security personnel in the Trauma Room hallway and close enough to the stretchers to see JFK ( and maybe Connally? ) as they were wheeled in.

There is NO DOUBT she was employed as a Parkland nurse who did respond to the call to the trauma room area when she says she was. She has also been interviewed by the TXSBD 6th floor museum history project. I have seen this interview.

If her shocking bullet on JFK's stretcher story is made up or greatly exaggerated, imo to go this far with a false story ( in publicly recorded interviews ) you'd have to have had some break in your psyche.

My guess or sense is however that she doesn't have a history of mental illness.

Questions and debates about why people don't share their JFK  assassination stories ( in this case the bullet on the stretcher) always make me shake my head.

Many people who saw or knew things about anything related to the JFK assassination or other main characters involved such as Ruby and Oswald have NEVER come forward with what they saw or knew. I am sure of this.

Why? My God...like Jack Martin told Jim Garrison ( in Garrison's book "On The Trail Of The Assassins" and in the "JFK" film scene) at one point in his questioning of Martin, where Martin stopped and refused to divulge any more info.

Garrison asked Martin...who are you afraid of Jack?

He looked at Garrison and said "do I have to spell it out for you?"

New Orleans attorney Dean Andrews and even David Ferry also expressed fear for their lives from divulging what they fully knew.

The fear factor in the JFK assassination event has always been and still is off the charts.

I could easily understand Nurse Hall clamming up for just this reason.

And for years!

15 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Joe:

To my knowledge, no one ever used the original rifle.  According to the FBI it was simply too unreliable and too fragile to try and use in any kind of rifle test.  

In fact, when Craig tried it he did not even use the MC 6.5, which is what the WC said Oswald did.  He used the MC 7.35, which he says is a better rifle.

Look I do not doubt that you can shoot the MC 6.5 accurately for one shot.

But as Craig said, and as Castro said, it is simply wrong to think you can do three accurate shots in six seconds with that rifle.  Simply because of what is called Target Acquisition.  Every time you fire the rifle you have to wait for the scope to stop vibrating, and then you realign the aim.

But this is a stupid argument to begin with.  Any assassin is not trying to get off three shots in six seconds.  He wants to get off one good shot that is fatal.  So the question is:  Why didn't Oswald kill Kennedy when he had the car right in front of him?  With the target that close, that is how the scoped cross hairs make sense.

The reason that was not done was as Craig says.  This was a classic military ambush with a crossfire from front and back.  They left no room for error. Kennedy was not getting out alive.  And I should add, Craig thinks that one of the sniper points was the Dal Tex. Which I agree with.

How much worse would the replication firings have been regards hitting or missing the sled target ( which was larger than the back view of JFK's head )If they also had to use the fragile 6th floor found MC 6.5 with a poorly misaligned crap scope? And is it true that a shim was found in some part of the scope bracing?

Yes, the JFK head shot was taken when the limo had slowed to it's lowest speed if not a stop. Clearly giving the shooter a easier fixed target versus a back and forth moving one also moving away at 11 mph.

And still, a shot entering the back right of JFK's skull, obliterating the skull into pieces on the right top and blowing out a huge flap of skull on the far right side above the ear is a trick from a shot taken from JFK's right side.

So Ron, are you saying the bullet fired into JFK's head and brains was a hollow point or frangible one?

Which would be different than the one that allegedly hit JFK and Connally seconds earlier?

1 hour ago, Kathy Beckett said:

How did I miss this?

 

NUTS!  ABSOLUTELY NUTS!

Yet, our main stream media will not cross the line of declaring him nuts. 

Thanks for the input Mark.

Do you see any bullet type differences regards JFK's head wound versus his back and neck one and John Connally's?

6 hours ago, Micah Mileto said:

I've been trying to make a list of every piece of information suggesting the existence of bullets and bullet fragments that have gone missing. If you take these accounts on face value and add them all up, you have about 30 bullets flying around Dealey Plaza.

Micah, do you believe this former Parkland Nurse regards her account of seeing a bullet on JFK's stretcher? If so why? If not why?

Was the supposed 6th floor found rifle sent to the FBI by the Dallas PD ever actually used in any of these tests firings? Same with the actual scope attached to it?

Did all of these test shooters otherwise use substitute MCs and scopes?

Excuse my ignorance for asking this question if they all used the actual rifle and scope.

In response to so many experts who have stated hitting a bullseye on an 8 to 9 inch wide target at 265 feet using an MC with scope is very doable if not routine, 

I must ask if the target ( JFK's head ) is moving sideways ( Jackie pulls JFK leftward by many inches) and up and down ( looking at Jackie in shock and then back down to deal with his choking )  as well as moving farther away every second after the second shot and then down a downward grade ( Elm Street drops down to go under the Triple Over-pass) all in that brief two or three seconds time period before the third shot,  is this 265 foot shot just as doable?

Every half second after the 2nd shot, JFK's head and upper body and his limo were in a different position due to the movements we can all see in the Zapruder film.

Shouldn't that mean a new aim adjustment every half second?

Geeminy...

Even after all these decades, seeing the photos above still hits you in the gut.

The absolute vicious brutality. 

So gruesome ... monstrous really.

The entire right side of the top and temple side of JFK's skull is totally obliterated!

Incredibly shattered.

When someone hits a deer in the head from a football field away with one shot from a high powered rifle, do their heads explode like JFK's? Shatter into so many separated pieces of bone? And make mush of their brains to a gel state that oozes out of their heads like JFK's did at Parkland?

Or explode so much brain matter outward and above that not only was there brain matter and spray throughout the inside of the limo and on Jackie...but spray and brain matter chunks on the faces and front of the rear accompanying motorcycles riding police patrolmen as well.

Again, do head shots to deer explode their skulls and brain matter outward like that?

It's as if the missile that hit JFK was an exploding one on upon impact.

2 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

DHS's Wolf: Trump admin 'working on' Black Lives Matter charges

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dhss-wolf-trump-admin-working-on-black-lives-matter-charges/ar-BB18AT8L?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE07DHP

 

[If Trump is reelected, some members of the forum may be arrested as America turns into a fascist state. The DHS head said six weeks ago that targets will be thrown into unmarked vehicles starting in December and the populace will get use to seeing it.]

 

Unfortunately this ominous warning may not be that far fetched.

On 8/31/2020 at 6:58 AM, Mark Tyler said:

The angle of trajectory for the head shot is tricky to judge due to the slightly leftward direction of JFK's head at frame Z312:

 

 

 

The following slow motion version of the Zapruder film clearly shows JFK's skull cap being damaged on the right top ( you can see it bulging upward ) with the end result being a blowing out of skull bone on the extreme far right side just above JFK's right ear.

Without an accompanying panoramic view of the entire Dealey Plaza area behind JFK's limo "at the exact time of the JFK head shot" it's hard to figure exactly how far back "and to the left" the so-called 6th floor TXSBD shooter's window was relative to a straight line back behind JFK's limo.

The degree of this angle relative to JFK's limo position and JFK's upper body and head position at the time of impact is obviously the key piece of bullet trajectory origin evidence.

The so-called baseball sized entry wound hole in JFK's skull has always been depicted by Parkland Doctors in the right back side area and as everyone can see the missile continued through the top of JFK's skull culminating with that extreme right "side" blowout above JFK's right ear. 

How well has it been proven that the TXSBD shooter's perch ( even considering some head tilting of JFK just prior to the shot ) was at an angle that a shot from there could enter the back right side of JFK's skull, continue along the right top area and then blow out that far right side above the right ear as well?

Again, the 6th floor window was also on the right side of JFK and his limo at the moment of head shot impact.

The old saying is "two wrongs don't make a right", but in this case...do THREE rights...make a wrong?

Or could "all right" be all wrong?

I thought pictures of Trump with Epstein and Maxwell were bad enough in their implications of willing bad character association. Here is another one that just makes you shake your head in cringing wonder

What the heck is this photo about?

If it's photo shopped I'll take it down the second this is confirmed.

Just became aware that the photo is doctored. My apologies to the first lady.

1 hour ago, David Andrews said:

I worry that the bastard could still win, either by fraud (will anybody monitor this election for fraud?), or because his base is underrated because it's shunning pollsters and the mainstream media.  When I read articles like the one below, I wonder if Trump isn't advertising because the 10-1 Biden outspends him on appearances only make his solid base turn away from Biden's appeals in disgust.  I worry that Trump's appeal to "law and order" is going to prevail in a season of riot:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-goes-mostly-dark-in-tv-advertising-fight-with-biden/ar-BB18zjG8

 

Same shared concerns here David.

Trump people keep quiet in public about their support for him much more so than Trump haters imo.

I think many more people in this country support Trump than the polls show.

Did you know that 28% of self-identified Hispanic voters voted for Trump in 2016?

That high number shocked me. I thought all Hispanics in America hated Trump. But, the numbers say that is not the case. 

I think it's possible that more and more Hispanic heritage Americans who have been here from 1 to 3 generations now and have made it in our society actually want the illegal flood of their poor homeland native peoples into our country to end. The more that flood in now just threaten their own job opportunities and crowd their neighborhoods, schools, etc.

I assumed all Hispanics in America sympathized with the poor ones from their native countries trying to get into our country. Guess not.

The 2020 presidential election Republican strategy game will be centered around the electoral college again I think.

Who knows what tricks, games and subterfuge the Repubs will use this time to win those close poll states.

22 minutes ago, Steve Cearfoss said:

I've often wondered – – and I'm striving mightily to keep my paranoia index subdued – – whether RFK could've been shot after being transported from the hotel. In other words between the hotel and hospital. It's true that he was hit at close range from behind, yet I wonder why no one saw the other shooter . . . at least nobody came forth with information. Even during the chaos of the moment you would think someone would have seen the other shooter. Also, wh

RFK JR. thinks Thane Eugene Cesar may have killed his father

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1.  

Sep 13, 2019 - Thane Eugene Cesar died today in the Philippines. Compelling evidence suggests that Cesar murdered my father. On June 5, 1968, Cesar, an ...

 

 

y would the perpetrators take a chance on a gambit like that? Surely it would have been a high-risk line of action with a distinct possibly of quick apprehension. I don't remember whether all the surviving bullets were ever matched solely to Sirhan's gun; doubtful, though, considering the ineptitude/deceit of the investigators. 

2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Appeals court rejects Michael Flynn’s attempt to have criminal case dismissed

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/appeals-court-rejects-michael-flynns-attempt-to-have-criminal-case-dismissed/

"It means that the decisions will now be sent back to U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan in Washington."

Steve Thomas

Finally, somebody beats Trump.

6 hours ago, Mark Tyler said:

The angle of trajectory for the head shot is tricky to judge due to the slightly leftward direction of JFK's head at frame Z312:

However, I do agree with you that a shot entering the rear centre of the skull would indeed exit the right side in this scenario (especially if it was fired from a different angle such as the Dal-Tex building).  This is also consistent with what you seen in the Zapruder frames Z314-Z320, and also the autopsy photos.

The Dal-Tex is also mentioned regarding JFK's back and throat wound because the trajectory seems too flat to come from a high position like the sixth floor TSBD window.

Ultimately what is required to sort this out is a high quality 3D rendering of Dealey Plaza that can explore each of these potential sniper locations and see which one is most consistent with the physical evidence.  Each of the 3D models I have seen over the years has been purely to bolster the sixth floor sniper scenario, thus wilfully ignoring all other lines of inquiry.  Perhaps even more grievous is that these models very often get the wound locations wrong such as the entrance wound being placed in the neck when it should be lower down on the back.  The other "trick" is where JFK is made to lean forward to raise the back wound above the throat wound, as the HSCA did:

 

None of these contortions are consistent with the photos and films such as the Croft photo just a few seconds before the wound was inflicted:

 

 

Just making general unscientific comments ( although common sense ones imo ) about bullet trajectory angles versus the 6th floor location because of the photos shown here that once again raise the same questions in my mind as they have for so many others for 57 years.

Over the years I have seen perhaps half a dozen Dealey Plaza bullet trajectory models ( using highly scientific computer analysis ) presented here and on other on-line venues. Many of which were extremely detailed and calculated by persons so beyond my academic level knowledge of geometry, physics and rifle and bullet science and bullet wound expertise I wouldn't even begin to contemplate or weigh in as to their validity.

It seems to me that most of them also showed that bullets fired from the TXSBD 6th floor snipers lair could do the injurious damage to JFK and Connally that they incurred.

I still can't legitimately argue or debate those computerized model findings in any scientific educated way.

Yet, my layman common sense eyes still see a problem with the 6th floor height and right back angle of trajectory versus the paths of bullet entry and exit into JFK, then Connally, then a baseball sized right rear impact obliteration hole in JFK's skull as described by every attending Parkland physician combined with skull fractures on the right side of the top of JFK's skull cap leading to a top right skull bone blowout just above JFK's right ear.

All damage to the top right and top right "side" of JFK's cranium. None to the left.

I agree that JFK's head is turned "slightly" to his left in Z312. It is also leaning down slightly as well. This JFK head turning position "might" help explain how a shot from the right back 6th floor TXSBD location could have come in from that right back angle and entered more squarely into JFK's upper skull to have some chance at creating all the damage on strictly the top right side of JFK's skull.

Yet, from looking at all the photos of building and window locations ( especially the TXSBD 6th floor one ) versus JFK's limo and body positions at the moment of bullet impact body and head injuries to JFK and Connally, including all of JFK's skull injuries on only the right side, even with JFK's slight head turns, I still can't help but strongly consider one or more shots coming into JFK's limo from another location.

I agree with you M. Tyler, that a new perspective of angles showing the "entire Dealey Plaza building and JFK limo location scene" in one shot ( an aerial view? ) with super imposed close ups of JFK's upper body and head movements and positions at the "exact moments" just before and during the bullet strikes ( as we see with your single 312 Z film frame ) may be more helpful in validating or invalidating the TXSBD 6th floor only conclusion.

The first photo above is intriguingly thought provoking.

You get an angle shot that shows the TXSBD in a much more "right/back" location relative to JFK's limo than I have ever seen before.

A thought occurred to me seeing this new farther right side TXSBD location about any bullet coming from a rifle out of the TXSBD building and hitting JFK in the back of his head and blowing out the flap of skull and bone on the "far right side" of it.

I am picturing JFK's limo going down towards the triple underpass. When the head shot occurred, JFK's limo was in the middle of Elm and heading straight toward the underpass. His limo was aligned with it's back facing straight back and not facing the TXSBD which in this photo is clearly to the right of a straight back line.

If the TXSBD shooter hit JFK's head the shot would have come in from a "right to left" angle. Imo, this angle of entry would go through JFK's skull in a way that could not change course 90 degrees and blow out the "far right" side of his skull.

The  skull blowout and the TXSBD are both on the right side.

Looks much more likely to me that JFK's head shot came from a much more straight back location, even slightly left back...to penetrate his skull and blow out his skull on the right side.

6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Portland Mayor, Ted Wheeler:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/its-you-who-have-created-the-hate-and-the-division-portland-mayor-unleashes-on-donald-trump-for-maga-creating-violence/

 

““One death is one death too many. Join me by denouncing all violence,” he said. “Yesterday’s event began with hundreds of cars filled with supporters of the president rallying and driving through downtown Portland. They were supported and energized by the president himself. President Trump, for four years, we have had to live with you and your racist attacks on Black people. We learned early about your sexist attitudes towards women. We’ve had to endure clips of you mocking a disabled man. We’ve had to listen to your anti-democratic attacks on journalists. We have read your tweets slamming private citizens to the point of receiving death threats, and we have listened to the attacks on immigrants. We have listened to you label Mexicans rapists. We’ve heard you say that John McCain wasn’t a hero because he was a prisoner of war, and now you’re attacking Democratic mayors and the very institutions of democracy that have served this nation well since its founding.”

 

“It’s you who have created the hate and the division,” he said. “It’s you who have not found a way to say the names of Black people killed by police officers even as people in law enforcement have. It’s you who claimed that white issue supremacists are good people. Your campaign of fear is anti-democratic of anything you have done to create hate and vitriol in our country. You have tried to divide us more than any other figure in modern history. Now you want me to stop the violence ta you helped to create. What America needs is for you to be stopped so we can come back together as one America while recognizing that we must demand that all people, Black, brown, white, every color from every political persuasion pull together and hold all people accountable in stopping racism and violence. We together are peaceful again under new leadership that reflects who we really are. We the people of this great nation.”

“President Trump, you bring no peace. You bring no respect to our democracy,” he continued. “You, Mr. President, need to do your job as the leader of this nation. I, Mr. President, will do my job as the mayor of this city. We will both be held accountable as we should. I’m calling out every other elected official in Oregon to join me. Not only in defeating racism but helping me to stop the violence as we are and will continue to be held accountable by all of our residents.””

Steve Thomas

 

The Portland Mayor's speech sounds very similar to Lawyer Joseph P. Welch's

Joseph McCarthy condemnation one where he finally calls out McCarthy's sick and obsessive commie fear crusade for what it had become and what McCarthy had become and the damage this witch hunt had caused the entire nation ... at long last, "have you left no sense of decency" which was the beginning of the end for McCarthy and McCarthyism.

14 minutes ago, Bill Fite said:

Yes, I agree w you... sorry. I was just trying to say that LHO was not a professional assassin so would have had lower probability of success as you said.

I see. Thanks.

4 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

Well it looks like your first suspicion is wrong; again.

More....

Portland shooter has been identified as Michael Reinoehl. Bloomberg previously did a interview with him, there's video out there on him. The BLM tattoo on his neck assisted in the IDing of him.

https://twitter.com/RoscoeBDavis1/status/1300105477339197445

 

Do you think a Trump infiltrator/provocateur would not dress himself up to blend in with the true and law abiding BLM police violence condemning protesters?

The suspect sure doesn't look like a true BLM type person imo.

Younger, perhaps student, perhaps college educated? etc.

This guy looks older, harder, weathered.

Like a former or current meth user ( very thin and rough edged ) perhaps even criminal time doing.  Maybe he just wanted to create mayhem and again, dressed the liberal part even including getting a BLM tattoo as a cover to do this?

The BLM tattoo must be recent. The BLM movement hasn't even taken hold except for the last couple of months since George Floyd.

Regards the deep cover political dirty tricks the Repubs have been pulling since 1968, it is more rational to be suspicious of hugely influence incidents like this versus not.

9 hours ago, Bill Fite said:

Yeah..... we're not talking about an anti-Castro Cuban trained to assassinate Fidel, or a mafia hit man, or an assassin for hire from Marseille, or a military trained assassin, etc. but a hypothesized guy with a junk weapon and no experience or training other than Marine basic training (assumption).  So, I agree his probability was probably lower, but the above is a conservative estimate w/o that assumption.

btw - the prob(success) on the deformed bullets should have been 

total successes, likewise on the prob(failure) .... sorry about that.

BF, I'm sorry. Could you explain your last post response a bit more?

What are you saying regards my points of comparative stress analysis between the recreation shooters and the actual Dealey Plaza shooter?

I feel that because of this immediate death risk stress scenario, the JFK shooter would have an even tougher time in his JFK shooting attempt effort than the non-stress recreation shooters experienced.

Making it tougher to conclude Oswald himself did the shooting.

My take from a possible psychological angle is that Oswald would have been under so much stress it would have made this shooting feat even more improbable than it already was.

Thank you Bill Fite. 

As much as Jim Di clearly exposes the false and falsely manipulated CBS conclusions, your above post greatly enhances his truth deception research and findings including the contrary bullet deformation and grain loss variation after firing into a goat carcass and cadaver wrist bones, gunpowder residue present on "all" 7 Carcano MC test firing subjects but none on Oswald, etc.

My little add on that I have posted before regards the physical and mental stress conditions on a JFK shooter ( allegedly Oswald ) versus anyone trying to duplicate the shooting scenario is this:

One must consider how much stress was on the shooter of JFK.

He has one opportunity and about 6 seconds ( less after he misses his first shot completely!) to hit his target ... the President of the United States!

In broad daylight and in front of hundreds of bystanders and security just 100 to 300 feet away, who he knows will probably be looking up in his direction, especially by the time of his third super loud cannon boom shot.

Making bulls-eye hits with his crap rifle on an 8 to 10 inch wide moving target almost a football field away is an extremely difficult challenge on it's own, but doing this under fear of your own immediate death might tend to make one's hands a little more sweaty and shaky than shooters replicating the shots under extremely relaxed and less extreme life and death worry and rushed conditions.

He knows he is in the most extreme life and death risk situation, perhaps just seconds away. He has an escape plan but it is so simple ( RUN AND THROW THE GUN DOWN) between some boxes, that he fears it is as risky as the actual shooting.

If the shooter isn't hyper-anxious and scared during this whole episode, he must be either drugged with Valium or Manchurian Candidate hypnotized.

These psychological dynamics put upon such a shooter are real.

They must be considered in any replicated setting of trial shooters versus the real experience of the actual shooter imo.

The hyped up gun aiming Marion Baker reported scene of Oswald casually sipping a soda pop in the 2nd floor TXSBD lunch room also begs the suspicious question of improbable calmness considering what Oswald allegedly pulled off just a very few minutes before. 

If Oswald was the shooter, his calmness and coolness under the most heightened life and death risk that could befall him any second all around him in his ridiculously simple running and walking away escape plan is so incongruous it's almost unbelievable. 

Just my 2 cents worth.

Trump just tweeted his response to the killing in Portland last night...

"GREAT PATRIOTS"    

"GREAT PATRIOTS"   ?????????   !!!!!!!!!

Just what we need to hear from our President to calm the violence, anger and rhetoric on both sides.

1 hour ago, Robert Wheeler said:

 

My first suspicion is that the person who shot this supposed Trump supporter was a Trump supporter also.

This type of scenario has played out many times before in history, to spark outrage benefiting one political agenda over another.

Probably the same scenario with JFK on 11,22,1963.