Joe Bauer

Regards Trump's months of dismissal and downplaying of the case number and actual severity of the virus and even the precautionary warnings experts were vigorously espousing at the same time, how can anyone not see these actions as contributing to the current record numbers of cases and deaths?

The man has a twitter audience of what 60,000,000 to 70,000,000? Most of the rest of the country hears him say the same things in national mass media press briefings.

What he says and tweets has more individual impact on the perceptions and mindsets of more Americans than any other single individual.

His words are the loudest and broadest broadcast in the nation. Daily so.

Just out of curiosity I watched the entire earlier part of the Fischer interview video.

Really interesting. You should check this out.

The mother of James Worrell who was standing just under the TXSBD 6th floor window when the shots rang out.

And Dallas PD motorcycle officer H.B. McClain ( 30 years of service ) who escorted the JFK motorcade just a couple of cars back from JFK's limo, and whose motorcycle microphone was supposedly left on which the HSCA used to conclude there was a 4th shot in the JFK shooting sequence.

McClain recounts how he helped pull Jackie Kennedy off of her husband in the limo at Parkland hospital that day.

McClain states he also believes the shooting was part of a conspiracy.

Just click on the beginning far left side of the red bar on the bottom of the screen.

That interview of Ronald Fischer is really interesting.

Fischer mentions his Warren Commission questioner David Belin becoming so angry at some of his responses to his questions that he ( Belin ) had to leave the room at least once and maybe more times to calm down.

A reaction that was befuddling to Fischer because he couldn't understand any reason for Belin's extraordinary anger. Fischer states he personally was very calm and respectful in his own demeanor while under questioning by Belin.

The interviewer in this video reminded Fischer of his own words stated years earlier that he (Fischer) almost came to blows with Belin, or thought he might have to.

Fischer later stated his belief that Belin had a JFK shooting agenda that Fischer's testimony was not fitting. Fischer also adds his personal belief that the JFK shooting was the result of a conspiracy and that Oswald was a non-shooting participant who realized after JFK was shot that he was the designated patsy. 

Fischer feels that Oswald was too calm for a man who supposedly just shot the President of the United States, yet who then became frantic only after shooting Tippit.

Fischer states he was 24 years old that day. The same age as Oswald.

I've never seen this interview or heard of Ron Fischer. After viewing it I highly recommend others here view it as well.

By the way, the photo above of the odd uniform man escorting the younger man does not look the the older Fischer in the interview imo.

The young man being escorted has a much shorter nose than the older Fischer. And his head shape and ears seem different. Again, imo.

2 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

I’ve read many discussions about whether Covid is a hoax, or whether the reaction to it is overblown, it’s just another flu, death rate no worse, etc. what these discussions omit is that evidence is emerging that it is not just another cold, that immediate death rate aside there are longer term health issues showing up in recovered patients, such as heart damage. I’m increasingly concerned that we are underestimating the long term effects of Covid. 

HOLLISTER, Calif. (KION) Tiffany Wyrick said April and May passed by in a blur as she fought for her life in a hospital.

“Is this really happening? I’m going to die in the hospital alone,” Wyrick said.

Before Wyrick was diagnosed with COVID-19, she thought the virus would be like a regular flu.

“This isn’t a one person fight or a political agenda. This is a virus, and it can take anybody,” the Hollister woman said.

Her symptoms started mild in late March, and then very quickly Tiffany was so exhausted she couldn’t even get out of bed.

In the hospital, the 47-year-old had multiple seizures and even neurological problems to go along with serous chest pain.

“I don’t look like a person who could drop dead tomorrow, but I almost did because of coronavirus,” Wyrick said.

In a San Jose intensive care unit, Wyrick remembers seeing a woman near her die of COVID-19.

“She passed away, and then I watched them bag up her body and take her away,” Wyrick said.

Those are the horror stories here and across the country, as hospitals like Hazel Hawkins have worked on expanding intensive care units for the worst case scenario.

On 7/31/2020 at 12:53 AM, Kirk Gallaway said:

That's right Dave. Trump crisis handling of the corona virus pandemic----Biggest U.S. disaster since George Bush's Iraq War,  before that LBJ's Viet Nam War.

If not for the fact that nobody blames Trump for all the lives lost- It would be the greatest presidential failure in U.S. history.

Nobody blames Trump for all the lives lost?

You're joking right?

Maybe not all, but constantly publicly pushing and promoting the lifting of state lock downs beyond measured limits (which we all now know triggered massive spikes in the virus spread and death counts )  to improve his political re-election standing regards the economy, is clearly deserving of some blame wouldn't you think?

And constantly pushing unproven and even ridiculous cures, unreal false hope time lines for virus control and downplaying the power reality of the virus ( it's a hoax and our press is feeding it - we don't need to mandate mask usage ) for so long at the same time his own science experts are saying the opposite is also blame worthy for the huge spike in cases and deaths we are now seeing imo.

And what's morbidly ironic and pathetically embarrassing is when we see people who were championing Trump's downplaying and mask dismissal get the virus themselves and suffer and even die.

I see. Thanks Steve.

Who's the young man he is escorting away from the building?

I feel for the kid if he was just some innocent TXSBD employee or curious walk-in off the street to that scene.

He looks like he's a little in shock and worried.

8 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Joe,

You know, that's something I've never understood. Everybody keeps talking about how we need an infrastructure plan. Our roads and bridges and airports and dykes need fixing.

And here we have millions of people who need work and are just looking for something to do.

Why not put the two together? It seems like it would be a win/win situation for everybody.

I guess we need to build more aircraft carriers and D-35 fighter jets though.

Steve Thomas

Exactly Steve.

What better way to make Americans feel better about their country when they are directly physically involved in rebuilding and improving it?

And outdoor work might be a little easier in controlling the virus spread as well.

Housing on big projects and even smaller ones could be small separate portable units which would probably be better regards virus spread versus dorm type ?

These are the kinds of re-energizing and hope instilling ideas we need to seriously consider to give us "all" some feeling of real recovery through this economic and pandemic nightmare.

28 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

You can't have tens of millions of Americans unable to pay their rent for months and possibly many months, even with smaller than effective government assistance help, and not eventually have civil unrest.

You can't allow that many Americans to fall to income levels so low they can't even provide the basic, basic needs for themselves and their families without risking mass demonstrations in the streets ( often with violence )  much like those that broke out all over the country during the height of the great depression.

Our next president is going to have to create something like Roosevelt's CCC.

Expecting these collapsed private businesses nationwide to instantly rehire millions of stressed people is a false reality.  It would take years for them to recover from something this massive themselves.

Only the government can meet these needs instantly.

Bobbyjack, could the life and death risk and hurried shot stress factor effect your accuracy in anyway?

Plus add another 115 feet distance to your target location.

And your target was not moving, correct?

35 minutes ago, Rob Clark said:

I believe it is Robert Edwards or Ronald Fisher....can't ever remember which one 😆

Who are those two guys?

The taller man has some type of odd uniform looking shirt on.

Is that a badge above his left breast shirt pocket?

If so, representing what employer?

And does he also have shoulder patches?

Why would the older man so deliberately be holding and guiding the younger man away from the building? 

They're a little too close than even two co-worker friends might be in just deciding to walk out and away from the TXSBD together, imo.

Strange looking characters. Strange photo. One I have never seen before.

Does the rifle Lt.Day is holding in the film look exactly like the Italian Carcano, or a Mauser as Constable Seymour Weitzman  ( former sporting goods shop owner and gun buff ) identified just minutes earlier?

I'm telling you, imo the situation with shutdowns in every area of our economy is being downplayed regards their true massive numbers.

I also think the Stock Market ( Dow ) is being artificially manipulated ( going up regularly ) to not show the true magnitude of this massive shutdown reality. 

All the traditional market moving dynamics should reflect a similar huge drop in value.

When the Stock Market dropped to 18,000 months ago, this was a true reality effect.

Since then however, someone or some group with enormous wealth and/or our own government with Trump pressure is using our own monies to artificially inflate and keep the Stock Market illogically propped up, imo.

So, could Trump sabotage the U.S.P.S. enough to seriously, negatively effect the mail-in vote nationwide?

It's a given that he would like to and would do if he could get away with it.

But if he even tries, what in the heck are we supposed to do in response?

It's hard to believe we American citizens are even hearing this kind of crazy, over-the-top authoritarian talk from a sitting U.S. President.

And it seems even crazier because it's almost a weekly, even daily occurrence!

Talk of Trump as nuts and out-of-control emotionally and psychologically is definitely a truly rational proposition now. Seriously it is. 

Just hope Trump's heretofore blindly loyal Republican Senate and Congressional enablers "finally" see this reality and move to check and reign in their loony leader's desperate power plays in the months before and after the election.

3 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Ron and Joe, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles.  I hope Congress will give some rescue to all of us facing uncertainty until recovery can be realized.

Thank you David.

In our situation the loss of our main family income is more impacting because of our ages. I will be 69 and my wife 66 in two months.

And we both have typical health issues. Mine are heart and immune system related. One day I am okay enough to do light house and yard care duties but then the next day I feel like visiting the Emergency Room. Heart goes crazy with spontaneous palpitation or even straight afib episodes which make you feel like you could just drop. Very scary.

Just mentioning why in my case, I can't just go out and start a new job like delivering pizzas or custodial duty ( I am not above any work ) and there aren't any jobs available anyway because the 30 to 40,000 laid off hospitality workers here are fighting for every little job no matter if minimum wage.

My wife's occupation is professional, but every company in this field ( nation wide ) is laying off.

Savings equal a 3 month cushion. Never could afford to buy a home here, so no equity. Been renters our entire lives.

SS for me is $740 a month. 

We do live in a house. Everyone pitches in for rent. Wife paid 65% of this.

Without unemployment her income with just SS will be half her normal take home, plus loss of several benefits.

Some here may feel I am providing too much personal info.

But, to understand the true impact of this unprecedented tidal wave of layoffs ( which tens of millions of Americans are experiencing ) you need to know the true and specific financial facts of those effected imo.

And to understand the differences between the federal political party's relief policies and how and why one may be truly helpful and another devastatingly inadequate.

Still, through it all, my passion for keeping the JFK ( and MLK and RFK) truth mission alive and energized will always be in my thoughts and my participation in JFK forums like this one ( honestly there is no other on this level ) actually provides me solace and meaning in this truly more stressful world we are now living in.

To quote a deep spiritual hope and faith message often cited in the canons of the California Surfer church:

Hey, no worries Bro...there's always a new set of toasties comin' in  ... Dude ... chill...shaka.

Thank you empathetic members.

Like most people I've been following the Republican WH new stimulus offerings.

Typical Trump deal.   Lower the amounts, raise the income qualifications and slip in through the back door huge side payouts to friendly entities that don't even need these billions.

I know a little about Larry Krudlow and Steve Munchkin.

But, in a brief 15 minute phone call to my wife today, everything they are trying to pull means a lot more to her, me and the rest of our family's immediate welfare.

Wife laid off. No notice. Revenue losses cited. Stop everything right now. Your belongings will be in boxes outside the main bldg. She was working at home. Main breadwinner. Rent as crazy high as you can imagine living here on the Calif Coast last 65 years. Not moving to Bakersfield or Coalinga.

Hope the extra weekly unemployment stimulus monies aren't cut completely off or dropped to 15% of the current added package ( from $600 to $100 ) by the Republican Senate.

I'm disabled...heart, other issues.

Not crying here though. We'll make do.

Just wanted members to know how real and close to home this instantly life changing situation is. The Covid threat itself and loss of decent income jobs.

Scrooge Republicans worst possible controllers of our stress needs during this nightmare.

53 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Joe, Perhaps your fears, were always what the people in charge thought of the masses, so they withheld the information. I say bring it on while more of us are safe at home! heh heh

Kirk, "my fears?"

9 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

The Cult of Selfishness is Killing America

From the article:

“You see, the modern U.S. right is committed to the proposition that greed is good, that we’re all better off when individuals engage in the untrammeled pursuit of self-interest. In their vision, unrestricted profit maximization by businesses and unregulated consumer choice is the recipe for a good society.

“Support for this proposition is, if anything, more emotional than intellectual. I’ve long been struck by the intensity of right-wing anger against relatively trivial regulations, like bans on phosphates in detergent and efficiency standards for light bulbs. It’s the principle of the thing: Many on the right are enraged at any suggestion that their actions should take other people’s welfare into account.

“This rage is sometimes portrayed as love of freedom. But people who insist on the right to pollute are notably unbothered by, say, federal agents tear-gassing peaceful protesters. What they call “freedom” is actually absence of responsibility.

“Rational policy in a pandemic, however, is all about taking responsibility. The main reason you shouldn’t go to a bar and should wear a mask isn’t self-protection, although that’s part of it; the point is that congregating in noisy, crowded spaces or exhaling droplets into shared air puts others at risk. And that’s the kind of thing America’s right just hates, hates to hear.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/opinion/us-republicans-coronavirus.html

 

 

"Greed Is Good." 

The forever battle cry of the super wealthy.

Yes, greed is good...for the 1%'s benefit more than the common good over 90% of the time.

Constantly cutting their taxes and at the same time increasing yours.

GE, Trump and others paying NO taxes some years?

Trickle down. 

Break the working class unions. Deregulate government oversight on corporations and Wall Street.

The Greed Is Good power grab really took hold and took off under Ronald Reagan's reign.

This just published Mary Trump's Donald Trump expose book title says it all ... "It's Never Enough."

And where has all this 60 years of "Greed Is Good" governance gotten us?

Check our standings the last twenty to thirty years in all the World Health Organization's standards listings for each nation's over-all societal health.

So many industrialized countries ( most all social/democracies ) are way ahead of us in this realm and have been for many years. In this American "Greed Is Good" era, we have fallen so far behind in the most important categories.

Health care and health care costs not breaking their citizen's economic backs and lives. No huge chunks of their citizens without health care insurance. Lower birth mortality and higher death age rates. Lower obesity rates. Job security, decent pay and benefits and good child and elderly care and protection.

The divide between the rich and poor nowhere near as deep and stark as ours. Transportation infrastructure way more advanced and public benefiting than ours. Our own domestic infrastructure needs incredibly neglected. We are still using 1930's Roosevelt New Deal public works projects that need replacing and improvement.

Higher educational costs at insane high levels with life crushing and unforgivable, slave making student loan debt.

Cost of housing out of range for half or more of our average wage citizens now with tens of millions working two jobs just for that one expense.

Drug addiction and youth neglect tearing at our very societal fabric. More people in prison by far than any other country. Urban area infrastructure deterioration. The neglected Flint, Michigan water system poisoning their entire population is a stark example.

Yet, with all this falling back, we have two areas of American society that have leaped so far ahead of any other country in the last 60 years it's perverse.

The stratospheric monetary gains of our 1% most wealthy and the never ending massive funding increases of our military and secret government.

We've got the strongest and most highly advanced, funded and equipped military in history. So far advanced than 98% of the other nations it's hard to comprehend. But, at what expense?

Our tiny little majority of super wealthy ( 1 to 5% ) now own 75 to 80% of our nation's assets. But, at what expense?

"Greed Is Good" is an antonym for "Common Good."

57 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

David Talbot posted this on Facebook yesterday:

We don't know what we don't know... I'm a pretty down-to-earth guy, and I take very little interest in outer space or the latest rocket- to-the-stars adventures of billionaire boys like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. But this recent NYT "Inside the Times" column did arouse my interest. It turns out that the Pentagon has long maintained a secret unit to investigate unidentified flying objects (UFOs) -- investigations that have been further fueled in recent years by Navy pilots' eyew...itness sightings of suspected UFOs. But here's the REAL mindblower... the Pentagon is not just investigating fleeting images in the skies, but much harder evidence, i.e., UFOs that have crashed to the earth.

That's right -- the U.S. military has been investigating "data/reports/materials from crash retrievals" of what the Pentagon now terms "advanced aerospace vehicles (AAV)."

According to the NYT report, "Our sources told us that 'AAV' does not refer to vehicles made in any country -- not Russian or Chinese -- but is used to mean technology in the realm of the truly unexplained." The evidence from these otherworldly crash sites is also strictly classified.

In normal news cycles, this "holy xxxx" column -- rendered in dry New York Times prose -- would've fired up the world's chatterboxes. But am I the only person who read this report?

 

No you are not, obviously.

However, the subject matter is still too frightening to even contemplate for 95% of the world's population imo.

The pandemic situation alone has the entire world's population gripped with fear and anxiety beyond any single threatening event in their lifetimes.

To take on this possible ET presence revealing news on top of the pandemic threat is all just too much to deal with.

1 hour ago, Richard Price said:

I think it is the result of at least two idealogies:  (1) the "Godfather's" success at getting people in the "family" into legitimate business bringing with them their corruption, manipulation and dedication not to the country, but to themselves and their "family".  I am not talking about the Sicilian/Italian mob specifically, but of the adoption of their system by those in criminal enterprises.  (2) those in the elite category in our country (formerly robber barons) who through their wartime connections and collusion found inspiration in the NAZI system of propaganda that fit in with their plans to continue making money and manipulating the system in their favor for long term power.  It's corny, but I've always said, "If you leave the one bad apple in the basket, it will ruin the entire basket of apples.  In a reverse ratio to the premise with actual apples, the closer to the top the "bad apple" is, the harder to remove it and the more it spoils.  Naturally life is more complicated than that simple scenario, but at some level I think this applies.

Extremely coherent assessment imo.

I thank the forum moderators for creating some separate space ( yet still on the site) for real time political debate and sharing. They could have just blocked all current times political posting and warned us all of consequences for doing this. But, they haven't.

This is quite liberal and generous of them imo.

I am curious however, why they still allow the one or two threads that have these type postings especially regards Trump? 

I personally I feel we are going through a period of national and international life and death stress and anxiety so beyond anything we have seen in our lifetimes that it is hard not to talk about it to some degree, even on a JFK research and debate site.

The decision to give us like minded unprecedented concerned political posters some space is appreciated.

16 minutes ago, Gene Kelly said:

Steve/Joe

I would add that - by 1963 - the location (and control) of uranium reserves was less critical than it was in the 1950's.  The focus had shifted to high level enrichment of mined uranium, and its use in special reactors that could make plutonium, which was then extracted by special processes.  But by then, weapons limitations and proliferation treaties were also underway.  The development of Israel's nuclear capability was however a strategic US interest at the time (as well as the prevention of certain other countries' capability).  I don't think we (the US) had much of a chance of controlling Kazakhstan, where a large fraction of all the world's uranium is now produced.  Today, Kazakhstan is the most dominant economic nation of Central Asia thanks to its oil and gas industry and vast mineral resources.  In 1947, the USSR government founded an atomic test site near the north-eastern town of Semipalatinsk where the initial Soviet nuclear tests were conducted in 1949.  Hundreds of nuclear tests were subsequently conducted until 1989, with ecological/biological consequences.  They were the last of the Soviet republics to declare independence during the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. 

Gene

Again, this helps to understand the true make up and dynamics of the current and past geo-political landscapes. Helps one see the real truth behind so many agenda's that are behind the actions the superpowers have taken to control it all.

1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

Gene,

Thank you.

This makes the battle for the Eurasian land mass even more interesting for me.

Steve Thomas

I second S. Thomas's appreciative post.

7 hours ago, Mark Stevens said:

 

Curious though, if Obama sent unidentified mercenaries to break up the Bundy "protest" would you equally shrug your shoulders and tell Obama it's OK to do whatever necessary to defend federal property and restore "order?" 

Where were similar secret identity baton swinging, pepper spraying and tear gas and projectile firing Federal troops when the November 22nd, 2,000 Miami-Dade County Brooks Brother's protests turned into a Government Bldg. charging, entering and door/window pounding riot?

So physically aggressive and threatening it "terrified" all the government employees in and around that facility.

The riot shut down the whole legal endeavor...through sheer violence and intimidation.

Did "any" of those charging, pounding, trespassing and physically threatening protesters get man handled or arrested by full military combat adorned troops?

And it is totally officially known that the Repub's main dirty trickster Roger Stone organized that violent protest and paid the participants to travel from other places to participate in it.

Why is it that right wing sentiment protests never get the same super aggressive baton, pepper spray, tear gas response more liberal left wing ones do?

And please don't say they aren't ever as threatening as left wing protests. Remember the Charlottesville, North Carolina protests by the Neo-Nazis just a couple of years ago where an unarmed young woman was run over and killed by a member of this far right group?

A thought just occurred to me after months of reading the rather sharp jabbing and jousting back-and-forths between certain members here and one specific member more than others on certain threads and which at times gets quite personal and heated.

It's sharp and often enough you notice it as a specific posting and response activity.

I am not taking sides nor judging. The combatants are all articulate and informed.

Much more than I.   It's just noticeable.

However, in the years since I have been first visiting the forum and eventually joining, it seems like there is always a resident lightning rod instigating member who not only admits to being purposely contrary and stirring things up, but enjoying it!

Like a pattern?

It's probably just my admittedly overly suspicious ( Jack Ruby impossibly shooting Oswald ) inspired imagination.

Yet, when I first checked in there were one or two main antagonistic minded posters. Wasn't McAdams posting here? Over the last 8 years, one after another.

Eventually the main contrary posting instigator of the month or year would drop out, and soon enough, another would pop up out of nowhere to fill the void.

I remember a poster from Arizona ( I think ) a couple of years back who was strikingly similar in this MO. He too was articulate and informed. He too seemed to relish "shaking things up." He too just disappeared after a year or so. Include several others in between.

Excuse my paranoia but could it be that this repeating instigator of the month or year club constant is more than just a coincidence?

Could it be that these similarly aggressive and minded posting contrarians popping up here on an almost patterned time frame ( when one leaves another soon replaces ) be more than just a random occurrence?

Anyone here ever give even some slight thought that this forum is monitored in any way?

By others who still feel threatened by it's content and the participation of highly credentialed and influential members, several of whom have written and had major government questioning conspiracy books published and have been featured on national airwaves media venues?

On the other hand, having some participation and input from Warren Commission defenders, Posner, Bugliosi, McAdams and other LN defenders from time to time does give the forum some righteous fighting back energy I suppose.