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It's the idea that Chief Curry would lie to the press ( I don't remember-same thing ) about the Billy Grammer report of the warning call and the caller knowing about the Armored Car decoy plan presented to him just hours earlier.
It wasn't just Grammer that went to tell Curry about the threat made just hours earlier. He was accompanied by another higher ranked DPD officer who heard the call himself. Curry dismissed the warning.
Curry and his DPD, along with all the other JFK security teams, lost their highest American importance security charge on Friday. Then his agency alone lost the most important criminal suspect in American history on Sunday.
Two worst case breakdowns of the highest importance security detail in American history.
Curry should have been fired after Oswald was killed in his own building basement.
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On 7/12/2020 at 4:11 PM, Kirk Gallaway said:
All she said about Oswald's death is she wanted Oswald to have all his rights to a fair trial, but ... she was happy when he was murdered.
Ruth Pain "was happy when he was murdered." ???
Or did she say she was "glad" when he was murdered?
Either word, she actually said this in a public interview?
That's really quite shocking coming from a Quaker.
QuoteWhat a crazy contradictory statement Ruth Paine makes.
You want someone to have a fair trial. Yet, when they are denied such a trial and instead have their insides blasted out you are "glad" about this?
This is my point.
Ruth Paine "hated" Oswald to a degree that was unreasonably extreme and illogical.
Being glad when he was shot and killed ( and willingly stating this in a recorded interview) reveals a level of hate deeper than most others felt who knew him I would assume. Especially a Quaker.
So, what did Oswald ever do that Ruth Paine was aware of that made her hate him to this murder cheering degree?
She couldn't "Christian love" balance her hate for Oswald with at least some consideration of his actual good side of being very loving towards his baby girl and, as Buell Frazier testified "good with children?"
His obvious love for Marina and contritely asking her to come back to him to give him a chance to be more respectful toward her? And his pain when she rejected him?
Oswald willingness to take and work a xxxx job with lowest wage pay and stick to it for at least awhile to get back on his feet. He didn't drink or slouch around the house all day. He read and was quiet much of the time.
He had to take buses everywhere and could not even care for his wife's basic needs at times. Of course the man was angry and frustrated. He didn't want to lose Marina and his baby yet he too often couldn't provide well enough for her without outside help.
Gerry Spence asked Ruth Paine in court ( after she expressed how aghast she was at Oswald's unattached tone on the phone, his blandly asking her to do something to help him and his irritation when he called her house a second time to speak to Marina from the Dallas jail ) could you not understand how Oswald might sound a little irritated under these circumstances and especially after he was arrested for the murder of Tippit, beaten by the police and wanted to communicate to his only love in this world...Marina?
Spence hammered RP on her extreme hate of Oswald personally. He got her to show this on the stand. He wanted to do so to reveal her as someone who could have motive to present Oswald in the worst possible light to investigators.
If Ruth Paine said she hated Oswald to this happy ( or glad ) about his murder degree because he shot JFK ( or even Tippit ) remember, no one ( including Ruth P ) could say for sure that Oswald actually committed this act that entire weekend.
Most of the physical evidence against Oswald wasn't even made public until after he was shot dead by Jack Ruby.
Ruth was and is still supposedly an intelligent, well read and educated woman.
You'd think she, more than average intelligence people, would not jump to a unquestioned Oswald guilty conclusion without knowing much more solid information and with Oswald himself himself denying his guilt at every turn all during his two days left on this Earth. She could have had great suspicion of his guilt but still not be sure if she was Quaker compassion reasonable, imo.
Ruth's admitted personal hate for Oswald reasonably gives at least some motive weight to her saying things or even possibly doing things with his belongings to incriminate him imo.
She just wanted the man to disappear...even if it meant his being violently and painfully murdered.
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Just watched the full video posted above by Doug.
Terrifying.
I recommend every member who sees Doug's post view this.
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Speaking of Dallas Police Department Chief Curry:
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22 hours ago, David Andrews said:
Is there any way JFK would not have known that Von Braun was an Operation Paperclip import to the US? If we want to get moralistic, that might include knowledge of Von Braun previously using Jewish slave labor to build the V2 in the freezing Mittelwerke cave rocket factory at Camp Dora. I.e, unprosecuted war crimes.
IMO, no, not at all.
The dilemma of keeping murderous Nazi monsters alive, unpunished and even well taken care of like Von Braun and other top German scientists and even Nazi intelligence commanders was not a hard decision for people like Dulles I am sure.
Their larger view of concern beyond righteous justice for 10's of millions of brutalized Nazis victims was by far their fear of aggressive world pushed Communism and the huge military power Russia now possessed.
And everybody knew that rocket delivered weapons were the most important new technology in modern warfare. Von Braun had the luck of being an expert in that field.
It's called dealing with the devil.
We did this with the Mafia during and after WWII.
We did it with former Nazi war criminals.
Seems it's an inherent secret government thing.
Who knows, maybe we've even done this with malevolent ET's?
Trump reportedly has his own deal with the devil issues with organized crime figures and Putin?
Who knows?
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6 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:
Trump has a new campaign manager that he keeps under wraps. Why? Because he is Roger Stone. That's right, Trump's real campaign manager is a convicted felon.
The corrupt madness never ends.
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17 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:
I believe their integrity was destroyed by the gaping holes made by the 767s.
Just a contemplating thought here regards PB's take on the jet crash created holes undermining the buildings support structure above them, along with the structural weakening heat generated by the explosion and igniting of up to 20,000 gallons of jet fuel.
My recollection of the holes were that they were very noticeable on the sides of each tower they hit.
However, not to the same degree at all to the non-impact sides.
My point is that you would think that the collapsing heavy weight building structure above the undermining holes might fall over the gaping holes more unevenly than the sides that weren't taken out ?
Kind of a slanted falling versus straight down?
Also, after viewing the immediate beginning of the entire tower collapses over and over, you see the part of the towers above the lower impact floors literally exploding into a great shooting out direction spray of what looks like a mass of small powdered dust material.
An evenly dispersed spray that involves the entire above impact structure all around, in one instant!
Like the entire top part of the towers above the impact sites just exploded itself.
And how could the non-heated, non weakened structure underneath the burning higher floors ( the huge physical majority of the entire building) turn into dust in seconds themselves as well?
Look at the pictures of the collapsed structures debris pile immediately after their fall.
It's mostly disintegrated dust!
As well as the massive cloud of powdered debris (that looked just like the ash from a volcanic eruption) and was pushed out so voluminously it was up to several inches deep in some areas city blocks away!
The powdered volcanic ash looking debris clouds shooting out of the tower collapse looked just like the pictures of the 1980 Mount St. Helen eruption!
Do controlled demolition experts feel the massive disintegrated dust cloud and it's incredible volume matches what they would expect from a non-controlled high rise building collapse? My common sense tells me they did not.
Building seven is another matter unto itself. No building that big falls into it's own footprint that evenly and instantly without controlled demolition being used. So obvious, even to people uneducated in that field imo.
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7 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:
From a column in today's NY Times titled What Trump Wants from Roger Stone:
From the article: This time if he is defeated, he will suffer global humiliation.
President Trump has reportedly lashed out at his re-election team for his floundering campaign. As he seeks to right the ship, Mr. Trump would surely want to turn to Mr. Stone, whose political acumen he has trusted for nearly 40 years and who has far more experience in presidential campaigns than anyone else in the president’s inner circle.
Trump needs Roger Stone's "Dirty Tricks" expertise NOW!
Roger...I'm behind in the polls!
Please, come up with some powerful stuff that will really knock Biden's support and scare the hell out of em!
Can you do that for me Roger?
Your biggest ( get out of jail free card - wink ) fan.
LOVE YA BABY ... DT.
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16 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
Joe said: "But, did this shocking and almost impossible to believe Oswald security breakdown scenario give her one tiny bit of pause and suspicious thoughts that maybe there was more to JFK's assassination than simple, angry Oswald doing it all by himself? "
Joe, I'm really miffed at your comment. you don't see that the primary narrative pushed here by certainly Jim Di, but many others is that either 1) Ruth is an agent, on a need to know basis, who found herself in the middle of a plot to assassinate JFK, and subsequently fueled the case against Oswald Or 2) was aware and is an intricate part of the plot to kill JFK and frame Oswald?
The narrative here is not that Ruth is naive, she's a "dragon lady."
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I know.
Although at least one other poster here disagrees with Jim Di's "Dragon Lady" take and narrative on RP.
I mention the "who's responsible" RP to MP telephone call recording story because if the tape exists or existed and this highly suspicious comment was actually on it, obviously it would be a highly incriminating piece of evidence that would logically add serious weight to the proposition of RP and/or MP being much more involved characters in the whole matter versus not.
A piece of evidence that could significantly crack the simple good Samaritan Quaker motivated cover story egg shell if true.
A hugely important one that I am sure all of us here really want to know more about.
I mention Ruth Paine's possible reactions to Oswald's shocking murder within just two days after the shocking JFK one because I believe they might add some determining weight to any doubts regarding her full honesty in relating her story.
I was always struck by Ruth Paine's extraordinary disdain for Oswald personally.
It seemed more intense than normal and fueled by deeper issues in her personal background life imo.
I am curious about these other issues regards RP.
Speaking of "Dragon Lady" type characters, the Carol Channing affected speaking manner Priscilla Johnson McMillan seems a great candidate for this nefarious title if anyone is.
She takes control of Marina Oswald and becomes her mentor?
Anyone reading PJM's overly numerous Oswald connected travel and position coincidence filled background has to be highly suspicious of her entire presence in this whole affair.
Enhanced by her just plain creepy overly exaggerated Carol Channing big eyed , weird speaking impersonating manner she presents in her public interviews, at least the one we saw when she and Marina were interviewed together.
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"We both know who's responsible."
Talk about the $64,000 question!
Mr. Paine, Mrs. Paine, who were you referring to regards this statement to each other?
Was it "proven" they said this in a taped telephone conversation on 11,22,1963 or even the next day or two?
Wonder what Ruth Paine thought when she watched Jack Ruby whack Oswald right in the Dallas PD basement with 70 armed security personnel all around?
Don't think she felt much sympathy for LHO. She really hated the guy.
But, did this shocking and almost impossible to believe Oswald security breakdown scenario give her one tiny bit of pause and suspicious thoughts that maybe there was more to JFK's assassination than simple, angry Oswald doing it all by himself?
10's of millions of other Americans who watched handcuffed Oswald being blasted into oblivion in the DPD basement live on TV or later that day sure felt suspicion, as they should have.
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I think it's logical to figure many millions of Americans who normally would vote - or even might vote - may not this November due to their lives being so disrupted financially.
Who cares about voting when you cannot even pay the rent and all you can think about is you and your family's basic needs survival?
Especially if it's all vote by mail.
And because this group is of the middle to lower income class, one could reasonably assume they would normally vote more Democrat than Republican?
40 to 50 million currently unemployed and teetering right on the edge of complete financial collapse? Dear God!
If these tens of millions are still unemployed by November 3rd, 2020 I guarantee you this massive, unprecedented stressed out section of our society will be incredibly more angry, disenchanted and detached from the typical voting responsibility and enthusiasm political scene versus normal times.
If you are confronting eviction and other basic need worries every month you are probably going to want to do something much more demonstrative than simple voting.
Like physically hitting the streets to protest?
And if you become homeless, what district do you vote in?
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23 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:
I've probably been watching too many movies but, surely, Ghislaine Maxwell must have some sort of back up plan with files -- one of those schemes where she tells Bill Barr and Associates, "Look, fellas, if anything happens to me, I'm taking Donald and a lot of other very important people down with me."
I think you are right.
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15 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Joe,
That $40,000 limit will be on your and your wife's adjusted gross income (AGI), not your total income. For people with modest income, only a portion of Social Security income is taxed. Suppose that in your case 20% of your SS income is taxed. Your AGI would be calculated as follows:
($10,000 x 0.20) + $30,000 = $32,000
And you would be eligible for the second stimulus check because that is less than the $40,000 limit.
Your AGI for 2019 is printed on line 8b of your tax form 1040. If your wife's income hasn't increased much since then, then your 2020 AGI will be about the same. Check it and see if it less than $40,000. It probably is.
Sandy, I just found out today that the reduced income eligibility stimulus package pushed by the Republicans will have a $40,000 yearly "adjusted gross income" cap requirement...for each person!
For my wife and I filing jointly last year, we come under that amount easily.
I thought that even as a married couple filing jointly, the cap would be $40,000.
Thanks again for your info in this regards.
JB
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2 minutes ago, Bob Ness said:
He needs to win the election to get off scott free which is why he'll cheat as much as he can to do so.
Like LBJ had to become President to wipe away his personal corruption problems?
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3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Background info: I mentioned earlier that I have chronic respiratory failure. My oxygen saturation level is way low and drops to around 30% when sleeping. Normal is 95 to 100%. (Doc says I forget to breath. Which is his way of saying that he (and medicine) has no idea why I take only one breath per minute when sleeping.)
We live in Utah where social distancing and face masks are recommended, but not required. I told my wife a couple months ago that if they opened up school before flattening the curve, I wasn't going to let our 10-year-old attend. I would teach her myself. Because if she were to get infected, I would likely catch it and die.
Good news. We learned the other day that, even though the school district plans on opening school next month -- in spite of our increasing case numbers -- we will be given the option of at-home online classes! I'm pretty happy about that.
And I thought "I" had risky health issues that increased my vulnerability to the virus?
Sandy, you take good care of yourself and your family through this.
Seriously, the best thoughts your way in this regards.
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Pray not, but I've learned to believe that Trump is capable of anything. ANYTHING!
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If Cohen told the full story of what he knows about Trump, Trump would be toast.
If Cohen ever really let on he was seriously doing this, it wouldn't be a shock to find him "Epsteinized" before he could finish such a tell-all.
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I remember you describing an incident where you were once walking on a city street with Roger Stone and he saw a crippled older person walking in a severe and probably painful spine degeneration bent over position. Stone then proceeded to impersonate the suffering walker, out of what one assumes was pure sadistic humor reasons.
I could see a like minded individual promoting and protecting such a bad character person, like Trump with his loyalty pay back commutation of Stone's sentence.
Birds of a feather...yes?
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On 7/10/2020 at 5:10 PM, James DiEugenio said:
I did not talk to Maddox very long. It was just a few minutes in Dealey Plaza at one of those anniversaries.
But I have never read anything that would give me pause about the man.
I mean Ruby essentially says the same in that famous video which I think you can see on You Tube, that people in high places put him in the position he is in.
Its not that difficult to dig up stuff like this, you just talk to enough people and you can do it.
I don't know, it seems to me Ruby's written statements in the note " It was a conspiracy" and "my motive was to silence Oswald" were much more powerful in their specificity and flat out directly saying what they were saying. That there was a conspiracy and Ruby's motive in killing Oswald was to silence him.
Versus Ruby's simple "yes" answer when asked the much more general question whether vaguely identified people Ruby claimed put him in the position he was in were from high places.
Consider also, this later revealed palmed letter incident and the shocking Ruby confession content in it, is coming from the lips of a career police officer who wasn't considered mentally imbalanced as Ruby was.
Did Maddox ignore the note and not mention it in a public way for over 33 years because he felt it was just the written ramblings of a nutcase - Ruby?
Maddox didn't say that in his recollection of the note and it's incredible claims however.
Instead he mentioned the note and it's content in a clearly serious tone versus a lighter dismissive one.
If only the interviewer could have asked Maddox his thoughts about the note and whether he dismissed it for the reason above or took it much more seriously and maybe even believed it and kept it's existence quiet for other reasons? So frustrating to not see questions like this presented to Maddox.
Still, I never understood why Ruby's "The world will never know the true facts " claims stated in that news conference with his two attorneys at his side ( as vague as they were ) were ignored and not followed up on by not just our investigative government committees and agencies let alone our main stream press.
Were they ignored because they were just considered the crazy ramblings of a mentally ill Ruby?
Was Ruby, in the end just considered out of his gourd by everyone?
Imagine if Lee Harvey Oswald said much more than "I am just a patsy."?
What if in his brief incarceration and the few times he was allowed to speak to the national press Oswald had said..."the world will never know the true facts" and how people in high places put him in the position he was in.?
And then this block buster..."It was a conspiracy" and " My motive was to ????? JFK." !!!
But coming from the lips of Jack Ruby... these same incredibly mind blowing statements are scoffingly ignored?
As Walter Matthau's Huey Long character in the film JFK says..."That dog don't hunt."
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12 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
J D
Did you respect Maddox's integrity when you met him?
Do you believe he told you the truth about Walthers and Barrett?
If so, what do you make of this interview video of Maddox relating how Jack Ruby passed a note to him saying "it was a conspiracy" and "his ( Ruby) motive was to silence Oswald." ?
Did you ever hear this Ruby to Maddox note story either before you talked to Maddox or after this interview?
If you don't believe Maddox's note story, any thoughts on why and why Maddox would make this up?
And if Ruby actually palmed this folded letter/note to Maddox, wouldn't you also wonder why Maddox would keep this explosively important confession note to himself?
You met the man and asked him questions. Maddox was right there close to Jack Ruby from the day he shot Oswald.
Curious also, why more researchers didn't jump out of their shorts to interview Maddox after Maddox made this explosive "it was a conspiracy" Ruby confessional letter statement?
I did find an article recounting Dallas Sheriff deputies Maddox and Walther's busting in on a Dallas suburb motel room ( East Hills Motel) in 1969 to check out a report of drug dealing and encountering the 6'5" escaped criminal Paul Cherry and his girlfriend which ended up in a terrific life and death struggle with Eddy "Buddy" Walthers being shot dead and Maddox shot twice in the ankle and foot.
Penn Jones mentioned Walther's death with suspicion. One rumor has it that Maddox himself shot Walthers.
Also found a picture of Sheriff Al Maddox standing behind Carousel Club stripper Karen "Little Lynn" Bennett when she was detained for carrying a concealed weapon into a courtroom in 1964.
I thought I also saw something about Maddox being mentioned in the Dallas Texas School Book Depository Museum "Living History" archives.
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John McCain looked horrible against Obama in the debates.
He looked frail, almost crippled, and was so much older and unhealthy looking versus Obama.
He also used to pace around nervously ( sitting may have hurt his body?) while Obama spoke or when he spoke and flail one arm about when he got upset about some debate point.
Obama came across as so much more calm and even in his speaking manner and responses.
McCain showed uneasy impatience at times complete with irritated facial expressions. He came across as cranky old man as much as any other trait.
Those debates only hurt McCain, not Obama.
Biden does look noticeably tired now and has lost much of his earlier years quick thinking and speaking energy from what I can see.
Maybe for this reason alone Biden should consider letting the debate format go and like so many say, let Trump just continue to self-destruct with his almost daily nuttiness and tweet nonsense.
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As much as I think Biden isn't the best Dem candidate and got this only because of Bloomberg's massive 500 million dollar financed Democratic primary scheme of splitting away just enough Sander's and Warren's voters to allow Biden to gain the lead even though it was still only a plurality, I think his style of speaking would do well against Trump in a debate.
In all the years I have watched Biden speak ( he's run in so many presidential elections ) he does have a certain working man folksy manner that I think appeals to the middle class. Laughably more so than silver spoon spoiled rotten Trump.
Biden truly does come from working class roots.
I used to like Biden's sentimental anecdotes about his bedtime talks with his young boys ... "Champ, you can be anything you want to be if you truly want this and work hard to achieve your dream..."
And his " I know what it's like to worry about monthly bills folks..." Etc.
I believe working class Biden can connect to average Americans better in this way than nutty life long 1% privileged and indulged Trump.
And I honestly believe Biden has some real debate fight in him. He doesn't show this much as he keeps an even keel and a calm smile on his face mostly. I've never seen him truly go after a debate opponent with a fired up warrior aggressiveness.
Yet, I think Trump could bring this out of Biden and I believe he will show he can be a tough cookie if he needs to be. I think he could really knock Trump on his vapid, hollow bully ass if he does.
Watched Elizabeth Warren on Chris Hayes' MSNBC show last night.
She sounds and looks so damn sharp and full of healthy energy to me.
The healthiest looking well known 70 year old female this side of Meryl Streep, Helen Mirren, Cher, Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, Raquel Welch, Susan Sarandon, Sally Fields, Goldie Hawn, Rudy ( Judy) Guiliani in drag, etc.
If Biden picks Warren as his VP, the Dems win in a landslide.
And Warren would tear up Trump's sycophantic mannequin looking Mike Spence in any debates imo.
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The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
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Reported in the internet news this morning was this new poll.
57% of poll respondents say they trust Dr. Fauchi regards his take and advice concerning the exploding Covid-19 virus situation.
27% say the same regards trusting Trump and his take and advice.
That is why Trump now feels Fauchi has to go.
Now THAT is what one might call responsible presidential "leadership" .... RIGHT?