Joe Bauer

I'm just about set on endorsing Elizabeth Warren.

Maybe she can ask Buttigieg to be her vice presidential candidate?

Doug, I agree about Biden.

But a Democratic party Harris candidacy against Trump in 2020 would also be a great mistake imo.

We Democrats need someone of Bernie Sander's integrity and policy vision and advocacy.

I understand candidates for political office having to avoid discussing or dealing with certain issues that could completely derail their chances at the ballot box right off the bat ... to a point.

I can still remember Tim Russert instantly destroying Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich's candidacy in the first televised national audience 2004 Democratic debate by asking Kucinich (with the debate's "very first question" )  whether Kucinich still believed in UFO's.

See Kucinich's credibility ruining response below which Russert forced him into saying. Thanks a lot Tim!

But in Kamala Harris's case ( after reading Jim Di's research essay on her ) we are not talking about UFO's and fake moon landings. We are talking much more down-to-Earth relevant issues.

When you examine the factual record of Kamala Harris's entire government career Harris has compromised way too much in extremely important key issue areas that truly effect us all for her to honestly claim herself a champion of truth and justice and a dedicated advocate for the working class majority of Americans versus the powerful top wealth 1%.

That title belongs much more honestly to Bernie Sanders.

Bernie Sanders reminded us all again in this sound "byte?" contest of the almost unbelievable disparity in wealth distribution in our country fact of just a handful of families in this country owning what ... 85% of this?

And the built-in self-interest priority control over our working class lives that this massive selective tax break wealth ownership provides that tiny minority versus the rest of us.

And how this disparity is now truly, seriously damaging and stressing our common good needs and everything our democracy stands for. 

However, Sander's main concern issue warnings go unheeded by most due in great part to the national media choosing to focus their coverage on other areas of political discourse such as Trump's photo-op foreign trips, tweets, rally slogans and Melania's latest high fashion dress purchases?

I think Sanders has always felt a huge frustration that no matter how much he has tried to inform America of this massively unbalanced distribution of wealth disparity and how it factually equates into a growing stress on our common good in ever more extreme negative ways, the average American just isn't getting it! 

They just are not responsibly acknowledging or responding to this message and it's immediate relevancy, importance and urgency in their daily lives right now.

The fact that the greater part of America and it's majority of citizens have been falling farther and farther down the world average scale in so many standard of living areas in the last 50 years and which is proven to be due in great part to lost control of their best interests to the top 1% ruling class ( and who can never get enough wealth and control ) is in my opinion the greatest challenge we face as a country and democracy over all other issues.

How we spend "our" money is everything!

Trillions and trillions on wars, never ending tax breaks and benefits for the top 1% while the huge majority of Americans lose more and more in every area of their daily life needs.

We have the resources to truly improve the lives of every American in so many needed ways, but when the majority of Americans can't alter this 1% favoring budget spending and control ( let alone acknowledge this reality ) we will continue to feel greater and greater disproportionate wealth and control stresses in our daily lives.

Here is Dennis Kucinich's response to Tim Russert's first debate question in 2004 to him regarding whether Kucinich still believes in UFOs

Kucinich said to moderator Tim Russert’s question, “It was an unidentified flying object, OK? It's, like, it's unidentified. I saw something.”

To audience laughter, he added, “I'm also going to move my campaign office to Roswell, New Mexico, and other one in Exeter, New Hampshire, OK? And also, you have to keep in mind that more - that Jimmy Carter saw a UFO and also that more people in this country have seen UFOs than I think approve of George Bush's presidency.”

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Just read Jim Di's essay regards Kamala Harris.

What an eye opener.

Harris is a shameless political office climber and this agenda seems to be her main one versus being a fighter for the middle and lower classes as she promotes herself.

I wish every adult person could read Di Eugenio's research on Harris.

If they could, she would not be the main stream media darling they are trying to make her into.

To me, Kamala Harris is more in line with the wealthiest 1% versus the rest of us.

I needed to know these facts about Harris that Jim has uncovered to make a much more informed decision regards her presidential candidacy qualifications.

I am an all out anti-Trump person as many of you can see by my postings.

I watched this so-called debate as I know I will vote for whomever the Dems place against him in 2020.

However, this was the worst main stream media televised debate format I have ever seen in giving the public a fair and reasonable chance to evaluate the candidates and hear them out in any substantive and truly informing way.

"One minute" to answer a question about complex issues?  You've got to be kidding me.

Often the moderators just wanted a "yes" or "no" answer or a junior high class "show of hands?"

There is no way any of us citizens could make a determination about which candidate is better qualified in a ridiculously clipped time constraint format like that.

That wasn't a debate. 

It was a sound bite contest which turned into a shouting match at times because the other more ignored candidates felt shut out and had no choice but to try to get their two cents in anyway they could. 

All the candidates could do was try out their selected "sound bites" ( shouting them if need be ) and hope that their's struck a network reported chord afterward.

And what chance did any of the other candidates have when the top 4 already most well known ones are placed right in the middle of the lineup and asked the most questions?

Those lesser known candidates were literally "shut out" of the debate with very few questions and physically placed outside the main camera point of view.

To be fair they should have had the top four news covered candidates evenly split from the ends to the middle.

And I wasn't any more impressed with Kamala Harris than I was anyone else. She got her practiced and prepared attack on Biden in and her "food fight" sound bite got some laughs.

But no way could what little she shared honestly show any better qualifications than several of the other candidates.

I sense there is a "fix" in to favor her and even in the media. 

From watching and reading more than most average citizens I wish Eric Salwell could get more exposure and I also believe both Governor Jay Inslee and NYC mayor Bill De Blasio have the guts and gravitas needed to successfully stand up to the Republican political war machine.

I totally support everything Bernie Sanders stands for and would like to implement, but his well advanced age is a risk factor in my mind.

25 minutes ago, Chris Bristow said:

The issue of the conflicting images of the Carcano was also brought to light by Jack White.  Here is his comparison of the Dallas PD, WC/FBI and National Archives photos.

 
What I found is that all these images are the same rifle taken from different angles. I have lost one important photo that shows an uncropped version of the Dallas PD photo. The camera was just outside the door(I guess because the room was too small to step back and get a full image). The result was the rifle was photographed from an angle of maybe 25 degrees. This caused the proportions of the rifle to become very distorted. The butt of the gun became much smaller relative to the barrel and scope. This size distortion increases in a constant gradient as you move from barrel to butt and is measurable.
 There is also a second distortion that happens when you try to size two of these images for comparison. The Dallas PD image is not only proportionally distorted, the distortion of the butt has also shortened the length of the rifle overall. So when you size it to equal length with another image for comparison you have to increase the size of the Dallas image more than is realistic. This means everything in the Dallas image will be over enlarged(Except the butt because it was made so small by the proportional distortion .
This is the case in the original comparison Jim provided and is why objects like the scope are bigger in the Dallas image. Jack Whites comparison above is set up differently. In it he matches the scope sizes which reveals the Dallas rifle to have a shorter appearing stock and shorter overall length.

In the example below the camera is about 10 feet away and the bottom of the rifle on the left is only about 4 inches closer to the camera. comparing left to right you can see the triggers line up. From the trigger to the top end of the stock there is little size difference. But from the triggers to the bottom of the rifle the image is very distorted and looks much longer than the image on the right. It was only a 4 inch difference from 10 feet away that caused the butt of the rifle to appear several inches longer.
 After taking multiple photos from different angles I found that the relative proportions of the butt vs the barrel, the gradient nature of those proportional differences and the over enlarging that resulted when sizing the image with a non distorted image, was the same as in the rifle comparisons of the FBI,Dallas PD and archive images.
There is an image used in comparison that was not shown on this thread, that is the photo taken in front of the TSBD. In that picture the butt of the rifle is swung upward and is closer to the camera. That created the same basic proportional distortion as in my comp of the rifle below.

Chris B.

Considering your scientific photo analysis regards different angles and distances of the photo taking.

1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

I never noticed the head size before, but you make an interesting point, Joe.  A bit of quick research found an online page for comic book artists called “Understanding Basic Proportion of the Human Figure.”

This page suggests that, in an adult male, the head should be about one-eighth as long as the the entire body, from head to toe, which is called “The 8-Head Count.”  Rough measurements of the so-called picture of "Oswald" above indicate that the head is between a fifth and a sixth of the body height, much larger than it should be.  You might be on to something here....

It's "you" who may be on to something Jim.  You started this thread.

Does anyone else here see Oswald's head in the BYP picture as being almost freakishly too big for his body?

Maybe my sense of physical body part size comparisons is just wrong.

Wow!

The differences do seem clear.

The length of the scope from left to right is clearly different.

There is a deeper sunken curve in the top part of the rifle handle.

The back end of the handle does appear to be more curved in on the BYP rifle.

There seems to a different part between the top of the scope and the barrel at least in height and maybe in shape ... however the BYP pic is too grainy to be sure.

Was the BYP Oswald wearing his ring in this photo?

He may have but again the photo is too grainy to tell.

If Oswald wasn't wearing this, it adds at least some question as to the "body" part of the photo being someone else.

And I don't know if the BYP was photo shopped, but the size of Oswald's head ( and connected neck ) compared to his body in this photo is laughably way too big.  It is so overly large it doesn't look real!

It's as if the head of Oswald in this picture is 3 to 4 feet closer to the viewer than the body.

15 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

My pic is a detail from the Weaver pic. 

This is from Robin Unger's site and there is a detail shot as well, from the FBI, which I enhanced.

 

Some people say the Dillard photo below is a fake, and I am inclined to agree with them, the people inside the pic are inserted, which in a setting like this (black backgrounds) can be done in a dark room quite easy.

These photos trigger so many thoughts and questions and even strange observations.

The first photo above ominously shows JFK with his right hand placed at the exact location of his head blowout wound which would occur just seconds later.

JFK's coat back is definitely bunched up toward his neck which some have speculated was an important fact in determining the back wound entry location.

This photo provides a good high and low angle position perspective of JFK versus Connally in front and below JFK.

IMO, from this photo I still can't see how a bullet entering JFK's upper back and exiting through his throat could then drop down the clearly steeper angle to hit Connally in his upper right back.

The supposed 6th floor "sniper's perch" window is open only half the height of the 5th floor windows where Williams, Jarman and Norman are located.  To me, it seems so tight in this way, I would think this narrow opening would make the successful bulls-eye aiming and shooting feat that the shooter supposedly pulled off that much more remarkable.

Add the fact that these windows were quite low to the floor which I believe required a shooter to be either on his knees or sitting on a fairly low height box of books to get properly set and stable to align and aim his gun and scope and shoot. Would this lowness of body position make the shooting effort even more difficult? I would assume so.

The entire Houston/Elm street facing of the Texas School Book Depository building we see in these photos is so brightly illuminated from direct noon time sun it's actually glaring.  

Gives film and pics of this scene (especially black and white ones) an eerie dream like quality.

I have wondered why Norman, Jarman and Williams reacted the way they did being so close to the booming shots maybe less that ten feet above and from them. Can you imagine how loud this must have been to their ears? And the shot energy was actually displacing white paint or perhaps dry wall flakes to rain down on their heads?

And they were hearing the rifle clip actions and even shells hitting the floor right above their heads?

Within just a few seconds these three co-workers must have understood what had just happened especially when they saw the frantic, screaming chaos ensuing immediately right below them in the Plaza.

What would I have done? I understand the reality of being so shocked you freeze. And definitely black men in Dallas at that time felt fearful of any contact with the police. Maybe W, J and N had this built-in fear of being somehow suspects if they ran as fast as they could to the first DPD officer they could find? 

They seemed to back off of any instant actions in this regard, even though they were so close to a shooter right above them. Maybe these fellows also feared being victims themselves if they immediately ran to investigate the floor right above them?

The crowd had definitely thinned out versus the huge one lining Main. I'll guess that JFK and Jackie were relieved at this point sensing the intense and loud public display of themselves was just about over and they could relax from all the required and perhaps exhausting smiling and waving.

One last thought. 

If I was tasked with JFK's motorcade security and saw the open windows of the TXSBD building, which were right above JFK's open limo which had to slow to make that 180 degree turn in front of this,  I think I'd be more aware and concerned of this potential threat, if even to just have someone in the security team scanning these open windows with binoculars during the time JFK's limo was passing underneath.

For several uninstructed, untrained, unequipped and simply casually looking around Dealey Plaza bystanders to clearly see a man or men with rifles in the 6th floor TSBD building windows minutes before and during the shooting and not one ground located security person with binoculars and training and instruction does so just adds to the sickness one feels in contemplating the worst case breakdown in JFK's security that day.

And the limo inner windshield frame dent/hole is at an impossibly higher angle of entry from anything leaving JFK's body when he was hit from supposedly high above and in back.

The latest Hemingway film ( Papa Hemingway In Cuba - 2015 ) clearly showed Hemingway's disdain for Hoover and the FBI and vice versa.

Hemingway was anti-Batista as well.

The script also depicted what a fine and risky line Hemingway had to navigate at times between Hoover, the mob and Batista forces.

I highly recommend the film.

Would like to read Joe McBride's take on it.

By the way , the role of the brooding Hemingway in Woody Allen's "Midnight In Paris" was hilariously over-played by Corey Stoll.

I think the reason the Democrats finally won in 2008 and 2012 were the unprecedented increases in black, female and younger voters who were enamored with Barrack Obama.

An increase of voters in those brackets so great, it enabled the Dems to overcome even the typical Republican voter manipulation shenanigans of 2,000 and 2004.

Mitt Romney was the older, white , wealthy 1 percent representing antithesis to the younger populist Obama who also happened be a much better speaker ( more articulate and inspiring ) than Romney.

The Republicans then created the worst possible running team in 2012 with too old, cranky, unhealthy looking and poorly spoken and out of touch McCain and the embarrassingly vapid air head Sarah Palin.  And both McCain and Palin were disasters in the debates.

If Oswald had actually met with Kostikov in MC in Sept. 1963 for any reason, let alone "anything" to do with Oswald's actions in Dallas in November, Kostikov would have known that we would have known of this Oswald visit.

Anyone coming and going into the MC embassy would have been recorded by us and Kostikov knew this.

My point being that any theory of Oswald personally meeting with someone like Kostikov or even his underlings in MC must confront the absurd premise that the Russians would have allowed their JFK hit man to be so visible in their circle to the Americans just two months before 11,22,1963.

American Mafia Godfathers would never have their selected hit men for a major job come to their main hangout in broad daylight just before their hit assignment where they could be seen and photographed by surveillance cameras if they knew they were being watched and recorded like this.

Mehmet Ali Agca was controlled, instructed and directed by people 20 times removed from the real power behind his Pope John hit.

Any mention of Kostikov and Oswald in the same discussion is crazy.

Now, Oswald and Phillips is less absurd imo.

Wouldn't the assassination of your main adversary's leader be the ultimate act of war ( equivalent to bombing Pearl Harbor) if Russia were actually found to be behind the JFK assassination?

Does anyone in their right, logical and common sense mind think we would have done "nothing" to punish the Russians and/or Castro ( as we did ) if we TRULY BELIEVED they were behind this?

Of course we wouldn't want nuclear war but the hawks like Lemnitzer and LeMay in our highest JCS command would have been clamoring for at least some response if they believed Castro or Russia were truly the culprits.

The Russians and Castro would not have taken such an insane act of war risk like this imo , especially using such a character like LHO whose public recorded activities, words and pictures were so "overly incriminating" in his pro-Russia/Castro sentiments it was laughable.

Oswald couldn't be more Russia/Castro incriminating if he wore a Cossack cap and a "Hammer and Sickle" or "I Love Castro" T-shirt to work everyday and broke out in the traditional Russian "squat and kick" dance on his breaks!

JFK was hated much, much more by adversarial power groups "in his own country" than the Russians and Castro for sure. Truly to murderous degrees.

JFK was more of a life and death threat to these domestic groups than he was to Russia and Castro.

You name the groups ... White Council ( Joseph Milteer, Guy Bannister ) anti-communist obsessed nut cases, Texas oil, The Mob, our own provocative covert agents ( Bill Harvey's wife expressed this so perversely "JFK and Jackie were scum" ) and who would hate JFK and RFK  more that Carlos Marcello and General Walker whom the Kennedy's dumped in another country and committed to a mental institution?

And LBJ and Hoover and Dulles. All of whom were facing certain career banishment ( LBJ jail time ) with JFK and RFK remaining in power?

In my opinion, LBJ was very capable of going along with a plan as extreme as murder in regards to his greatest political and personal enemies.  I will always believe LBJ had ordered murders before JFK that were carried out to protect his wealth and power.

LBJ was as ruthless as any Mafia Godfather in my opinion in this regards.

And with help from Hoover ( another totally corrupted political power figure that hated JFK & RFK ) and whom LBJ was extremely close to personally ( "you and I are like brothers") you've got the perfect duo to cover up the deed.

The JFK assassination was a domestic plan versus a foreign one based on the facts of case clearly explaining who had more to gain or lose by it's implementation and our military, economic and covert response after.

Doug, another crooked enterprise with Trump's name associated.

Remember his family got what...14 million for having their name on the condo high rise in Panama that was another proven money laundering scheme?

Trump made a huge amount of money with his Atlantic City Casino IPO by cashing out soon after.

Those IPO stock buyers left holding the bag when the stock later fell to nothing, lost big time. Many lost large parts of their retirement nest eggs.

Trump is so far away from JFK it's embarrassing.

JFK was well read and educated, curious and emotionally secure.

There's a crudeness about Trump versus JFK.

JFK actually cared about 3rd world countries and their citizens and their struggles to be free of exploitation.

Trump simply calls them "xxxx Hole" countries which so clearly shows his complete disdain and dismissal of them and their residents.

12 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

A drone worth $130 million?

Paul, I was shocked by this cost of ONE DRONE also.  

I understand several types of missiles also cost 10's of millions each.

Dear God!

Mind boggling what our military cost.

That ONE DRONE cost amount could cover all 4 years of college expenses ( room, board, class fees and books ) for 1,300 academically and economically deserving young men and women in this country who otherwise couldn't afford this.

No wonder the military and it's accompanying secret government has taken half our budget since WWII.

That ONE drone cost 4 X what the Mueller investigation cost and that the Republicans kept complaining about.

The amount of money we have spent in these two areas of our government since WWII is just beyond comprehension.

We have been steadily more military rich and physical and social infrastructure poor since WWII.

No wonder we have fallen behind so many other industrialized countries in quality of life areas. Health care, housing, education, you name it. 

Trump's golf escapes also cost taxpayers over 3X Muellers investigation.

Trump has no clue.  I once heard a writer Trump hired or someone else close to Trump say Trump's main daily thought patterns center around two areas more than any other...money...and sex.

48 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

So why didn't they tell Sturgis or someone like him to do it? A real shooter instead of a flunky like Ruby. They were lucky that Oswald died. (As I recall, Oswald got some help in dying from some Good Samaritan who gave him "artificial respiration," making sure he would bleed good inside.)

 

 

 

Transfer safety plans for Lee Harvey Oswald, (the most threatened criminal suspect in American history) did not include having an ambulance close by in case he was shot in this vulnerable situation.

And was there no security plan "doctor in the house" anywhere close by when Oswald's guts were blown apart by the Jackie Kennedy saving Jack Ruby?

The only way Oswald might have had a chance at survival was if he could have made it to Parkland sooner than he did.

Oswald's killing in the DPD building was perhaps the second most important failed security action in our history by agencies tasked with this responsibility. JFK's murder being number 1.

In the recent nationally broadcast George Stephanopoulos interview of Donald Trump, Stephanapoulos confronted Trump with the widely reported Obstruction Of Justice charging letter signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors stating their conclusion that Trump was clearly guilty of this crime in several actions.

In typical insecure Trump response, Trump instantly became extremely agitated and animated and waving off with his hand and proclaimed that he could come up with "5,000" former federal prosecutors who would state the opposite of those 1,000 former prosecutors charging him with clear obstruction.

Then Trump made sure with his red faced, puffed up bullying body language the subject was dropped and it was.

I would hope that Trump's claim of 5,000 former Federal Prosecutors refuting the 1,000 who have publicly stated their opinion of Trump's Obstruction Of Justice guilt would be called to task by at least someone in the media with some gravitas.  

Where are these 5,000 former prosecutors willing to publicly defend this President against the 1,000 who were willing to put their names out there in their concern about what they see as serious, impeachment worthy crimes by Trump?

Unfortunately, this ridiculous, insecure, false reality claim bluff by Trump will not be called out by our national media as it should be and it will simply fade away into nothing with no truth violating consequences as so many of his others have.

None the less, I implore our national main stream media to ask for a public response by any of Trump's professed 5,000 former prosecutors to back up their President's claim of their defense of his actions versus the 1,000 who expressed their opinion of his guilt.

We all know we will never see a commonly endorsed counter letter by 1,000s of former federal prosecutors exonerating Trump of the charges the 1,000 have publicly signed onto.

This latest Trump false claim ( nationally broadcast ) is all about mature character and integrity.

And it simply exposes the lack of this with Trump...to a disturbingly perverse and even dangerous degree imo.

20 hours ago, Ty Carpenter said:

Joe,

If you look at the top of the page just above the thread title and Mr. Caddy's picture it says home > controversial issues in history etc... Clicking on controversial issues gets you to where all the sub forums are located. The Trump bashing section is at the bottom. Not sure if you already use this but this is how I navigate to other forums.

Great.  Thanks.

Was Wilma Tice known as a person who made up stories or exaggerated them?

An attention seeker?  

If so, the Jack Ruby Parkland sighting one would have been her all time whopper and one that brought her stressful heat from her intimidating husband and an invitation to testify from the highest government investigation authorities which meant serious public exposure.

Did she ever change her Ruby sighting story or admit she was flat out wrong about it?

Tice for sure saw many news videos and pictures of Jack Ruby between her reported sighting and her WC testimony. A period of just months.

It would be logical that she could tell if she was mistaken by so many views of Ruby in the news versus the man she observed just 3 feet from her on 11,22,1963 and whom a shoulder tapping acquaintance greeted as "Jack."

Wilma Tice's background in social services work indicates a person of some integrity, intelligence and character imo. I wonder what her children made of her Ruby sighting story.

I repeat...the WC simply could not allow Jack Ruby to have been at Parkland the afternoon of 11,22,1963.

Just reading Ruby's nonsensical rambling answer to Gerald Ford's minimal questions about a Parkland visit by Ruby on 11,22,1963 is enough to make one easily and logically disbelieve Ruby over Kantor and Tice.

In this YOU TUBE entry the Air Force attendant to JFK on a flight claims JFK acknowledged this to him when JFK got up to depart the plane.

The attendant had purposely placed two newspapers with UFO articles on the seat or desk Kennedy was next to.

I'll see if I can copy and paste the You Tube video in it's entirety.

On 6/8/2019 at 9:46 PM, Stephanie Goldberg said:

I always figured that they believed Ruby over Seth Kantor because Kantor's testimony presented uncomfortable issues for them to resolve.   Wilma Tice backed up Kantor's testimony, I think?  

Just read Wilma Tice's Warren Commission testimony.

Amazing how the Commission ignored her sworn oath testimony regards seeing Jack Ruby at Parkland hospital between 1 and 3 PM the afternoon of 11, 22, 1963.

Wilma Tice personally knew both of Ruby's sisters for years and well enough to have them visit her. 

Tice told the Commission she was just ... 3 FEET AWAY ... from the man she recognized as Jack Ruby.  She even heard Ruby and the man that she says tapped Ruby on the shoulder talking, reciting the other man's greeting word for word!

Tice saw Ruby on TV after Ruby shot Oswald. She heard his voice for sure on some of these broadcasts. Tice never wavered in her identification of Ruby as the man she saw and heard at Parkland from a distance of 3 feet.

And Tice was under enormous pressure to drop her saying what she saw at Parkland by a husband who seemed like a tyrant that she actually feared.

And didn't Tice state that Ruby's sister Eileen mentioned her brother Jack going out to the hospital that day?

If the WC acknowledged and accepted as true Seth Kantor and Wilma Tice's testimony regards their personally seeing Jack Ruby at Parkland hospital between 1 and 3 pm the afternoon of 11, 22, 1963, it would have shown that Ruby was lying his head off to them about his true activities and timelines for them that day.

Could our moderators post a permanent link to the Trump political thread perhaps at the top of our opening forum page?

I am willing to go there with this subject matter versus posting on our JFK forum, however I keep losing the link.

How could the Warren Commission ever think they could slip this lie past the American people?