Joe Bauer

For many years many government military/agency/ civilian contract people have used an acronym besides the old "UFO" one.

It is AVC.

Alien Visitation Craft.

18 hours ago, Bill Fite said:

So I was in London around 2011 taking the DLR out to the Limehouse area from the city center.

I got off at the Limehouse station and walked by the boats and houseboats in the docks there toward the Thames.

When I turned on the street at the end of the docks, I looked up and there it was over the river - the Mother Ship - rectangular like 4 football fields put together wide and long and 10-20 feet high with white lights on the corner edges, dark grey otherwise broken up by some black section dividers, etc.  It was about 300-500 feet up.

 I got out my phone - small one but with a camera and ran towards the Thames where the ship got blocked from view by the apt buildings and I couldn't get a snapshot while the phone loaded.

I got to the river and it was gone.  I ran down the stairs to the Gordon Ramsey pub on the River and asked those sitting outside if they had seen it.  They didn't.

I didn't see any reports of a sighting on the news, but I'm a believer now.

I'm interested in any other information about rectangular shaped UFOs.

Bill, I used to work in the hotel business for a few years from 2001 to 2007.

Much of the time I was the concierge at a quaint yet somewhat upscale hotel in Carmel, California by the name of "The Cypress Inn."

Doris Day was a partner in it's ownership.

The hotel had it's own bar and lounge. It's own restaurant. A contained outdoor garden patio with fireplace.

It also had a beautiful " sitting/living room" with a large fireplace. Spanish adobe style architecture with high beam ceiling. Nice old art on the walls. 200 year old standing pendulum clock.

My concierge desk sat in a corner.

I would go back and forth from the desk to what other tasks I was called on to perform.

The guests loved this room. Many couches with tables. They would order wine and cheese and engage each other with conversation. After dinner many guests would retire to this room.

Many of these guests were fascinating people with fascinating backgrounds.

Without engaging in their conversations myself and looking busy at my old rich color desk, I overheard some memorable tales.

The wine really warmed these guests up into uninhibited sharing.

Two stand out in my memory... from the paranormal realm.

One evening someone brought up the "Bermuda Triangle" mystery.

Some light anecdotes followed with some chuckling.

However, one lady who sat by herself and did not speak was asked by another guest if she had any thoughts. This woman was middle aged and very well comported and dressed. After a long pause she reluctantly chimed in and regretfully I later learned.

This woman lived in the North East and I think from a Cape Cod type environment.

She slowly gave bits and pieces about something her and her wealthy husband experienced regarding Bermuda. They would fly down and rent some type of motorized sailing craft and go out in this. I think for an entire day.

This one time they went out with another couple.

At some point later in the day inexplicably all the power went out on the boat. In a split second. They were confused. This power outage included everything electrical on the boat. And scarily, even their communication system stopped working.

This woman paused and then said even their navigational compass went crazy...some spinning?

It wasn't long before all four of this party started feeling freaked out. They drifted powerless for many hours. I mean they were really upset. They had a fear that this strange cut off would never end. 

At some point however, the power on the boat just blinked on as quickly as It had blinked out. Everything was working including their radio and compass.

They raced back to port as fast as they could. This woman said from that day on she and her husband never went sailing again.

Her story was met with silence. Perhaps 8 others in the room besides me.

The woman got up and left to go back to her room.

I had to run a few errands at that time and didn't expect to see this guest again.

However, as I passed the bottom on the staircase going to her second story room I bumped into her.

 I said hello and for some stupid reason I unprofessionally asked her a question.

She reluctantly obliged me.

I told her I had heard her Bermuda sailing story just minutes earlier in our living room. I was so taken by it ( especially because I could see this was a woman of high society status)...and I blurted out " was it all true?" 

She paused and I could see she was irritated by my stupid question.

She straightened up and turned to walk up the stairs, but then paused and turned sightly back at me and said solemnly " I only shared half the story." The rest of it was even more frightening."

Another woman from New York City heard myself and another guest discussing the UFO phenomena. (These two guest conversation stories are the only times I ever engaged a guest with such.)

She sat close by and seemed interested enough to stare at us while we spoke.

This other guest happened to ask her if she ever saw anything unusual like this.

Again, reluctantly she said she had. And it frightened her so much she never wanted to even talk about it again.

She said she saw a large cylindrical shaped object right above her in the sky above the New York City skyline...in broad daylight.

She couldn't help but stare at it and it was visible for a minute or two. She was disturbingly shaken that no one else around her was seeing this large object right above the city.

She ran away and just wanted to forget she ever saw it.

 

5 hours ago, Robert Morrow said:

In my dealings with Doug Caddy, I have found him to be an honest and honorable man.

Having said THAT I think E. Howard Hunt - if he said JFK was killed because he knew about the alien presence on Earth and was about to reveal it - is 100% full of baloney.

You should not be surprised that people affiliated with government agencies or the CIA say or believe nutty things.

I do believe Doug Caddy is honest about his conversation with his friend E. Howard Hunt.

 Robert your dismissive take on the Alien presence story combined with your great respect for Doug Caddy and his integrity have me confused.

You think the Alien presence story is a "nutty thing?"

Yet at the same time you say you believe Caddy is being honest about his conversation with E. Howard Hunt?

So, Caddy is an honest man who happens to be promoting a "nutty thing" conspiracy?

Please view THE ENTIRE interview if you seriously want to know what's really going on in this world?

2 hours ago, Kevin Balch said:

Lee Bowers was transported to Methodist Hospital in Dallas (where J D Tippit was brought) where he died about 3 1/2 hours after the accident. So the Justice of the Peace was from Dallas.

The Justice Of The Peace coming from a large city makes his ignoring state law requiring an autopsy upon violent death circumstances even more suspicious.

Does the book author go into Bower's Life and Death insurance policy controversy?

Did Bower's family decide on cremation in just that short of time?

Heck, that wouldn't be enough time to notify anyone (outside his most immediate family ) such as friends, co-workers, etc. who knew and cared about Bowers to even know of such a service let alone attend such.

Seems to me that Bower's family would be so distraught and discombobulated by his sudden brutal death ( and at just 41 years of age ) they may not have had the emotional recovery strength to make such decisions in less than 24 hours time.

Wasn't Bowers declared dead by a local doctor?

 

4 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

Now, I personally think the deaths of Rosselli and Giancana and others in the mid-70's is far more suspicious than the deaths of Lee Bowers, William Whalley, and James Worrell in the 60's.  But it's tough to estimate the life expectancy of mob figures, and separate out the many other reasons someone might want them dead. 

Agree totally with Rosselli, Giancana and others in the mid 70s' but Lee Bowers I can't dismiss wholeheartedly because of the preposterous circumstances of his death and illogically quick church memorial service and cremation. 1 day?

And some hick little Texas boondocks town Justice of the Peace so blatantly ignoring "state law" requiring an autopsy when the victim dies in a violent manner.

Ferry and Banister totally suspicious to me.

Mary Meyer same thing.

And don't forget James Forrestal's 16th floor leap at Bethesda in 1954.

3 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Gil Jesus--Like you, I just want to know what happened, whether JFKA or RFK1A, Watergate, or Trump. 

Personally I have given up on the two major parties.

I always enjoy your posts. You are earnest and let the chips fall where they may. 

I like you too Gill.

Even though I am 100% opposite in the Trump Savior/Anti-Christ debate.

The possibility of a JFK hating military/agency led coup was so real, JFK himself felt it was no idle threat.

He encouraged the making of the film "7 Days In May " and wanted this film to be distributed nationally before the 1964 election.

So, we now know JFK was aware of this scenario being more than possible.

JFK knew that his enemies were that powerful, and capable of doing the unthinkable.

LBJ, Hoover, Dulles, LeMay and so many JFK hating others ( Texas oil-wealthiest men on Earth at that time) segregationist, Mafia...etc, etc of that wealth and power station were this aggressive. They really were.

I think until we finally accept the truth of the full measure aggressiveness of these competing power JFK and RFK hating groups and individuals and their willingness to deal with their JFK/RFK problem via the executive action unthinkable we will never be able to mentally accept the truth about who really had JFK and RFK removed through violent means.

Lastly, I think JFK really believed guys like LeMay and Dulles and maybe even Hoover and LBJ were truly capable of going this far in removing him.

Remember this fact...LeMay was willing to unleash a first strike nuclear holocaust during the missile crisis!

Only JFK stood in his way.

That was the truth of LeMay's mind set. 

 

 

 

Reviewing Lee Bowers 11/22/1963 recollection statements in the Mark Lane documentary "Rush To Judgement" I don't see how anyone could "not" see Bower's credibility.

The man is intelligent, well spoken, calm, extremely detail orientated and sincere sounding. 

He is telling everyone this direct observation:

That he saw a commotion near the picket fence area and that something occurred during this commotion that was unusual enough for him to remember it being noticeably memorable such as a "flash of light or puff of smoke."  His words. 

Bowers also says with unambiguous clarity the time sequence of the shots he heard.

3 shots... knock...knock-knock.

One shot followed by two more shots almost on top of each other. Leading him ( Bowers ) to conclude that the last two shots could not have been fired by the same gun.

The FBI told him he was no expert in this area of physical science and he said he had to agree with them.

Wonder if the Warren Commission put any time investigating Bower's recollections of 3 cars coming into his lot just minutes before the shooting. One driven by a man talking into a hand held mike.

Were these Dallas PD, Dallas Sheriff, FBI, Army intelligence.

And don't forget another of Lane's interview subjects in Rush To Judgement.

The maintenance man who watched the whole shooing from on top of the Building Annex just South of Elm and Houston.

He described seeing a heavier set suited man running full speed along the backside of the picket fence area toward the Texas School Book Depository building within "seconds" of the shooting. Before anyone had run to the grassy knoll and parking lot beyond to flood that area.

 

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

 

Wrong decade.

 

Stand corrected. 1976/77.

1 hour ago, Denny Zartman said:

Maybe he wasn't "suicided", but if he wasn't, wouldn't you agree this seems to be one hell of a coincidence?

<quote>

Charles Nicoletti was a leading figure in the Mafia in Chicago. He worked under Tony Accardo and Sam Giancana and got the reputation as an effective contract killer. He was also involved in the CIA plots to overthrow Fidel Castro in Cuba.

According to James Files, Nicoletti was one of the gunmen who took part in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

</quote>

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKnicoletti.htm

That makes what? About 20+ highly known and nefarious JFKA characters all dying in 1976/1977. So many connected to the Subcommittee hearings?

How about the actuary violent death odds on this group alone?

Dave Perry Essay.

Nothing to see here folks. ???

In 1991 I interviewed Charles Good. Good was not only a friend of Bowers but "a member of the Texas Highway Patrol." He claims to have investigated the accident. Good suggested Bowers was returning to Dallas from Mansfield, Texas where Lee had been showing some real estate. Good arrived at the scene hours later:

"I spoke with an old boy who was repairing fences at the time of the accident. He said he saw two cars coming down the road one behind the other. He turned away for a moment, heard a crash and looked back. One car had hit a bridge abutment and the other kept going."

From his interview with the witness Good formed the opinion that another car forced the Bowers' vehicle off the road.

Midlothian is a small town. After some research there, I concluded R.V. Edwards was one, if not the only witness. Roy Virgil Edwards died on January 26, 1986. Dr. Bohl verified that Edwards witnessed the accident. Bohl's medical office is in Midlothian. Edwards was one of his patients. Additional corroboration came from Mrs. Coward (both she and her husband knew him) and Barham Alderdice, publisher of The Midlothian Mirror. Bohl and Alderdice acknowledge Edwards maintained he was driving a tractor in a nearby field at the time of the accident.

Dr. Bohl claims Edwards said, "The car simply drove into the abutment." Mrs. Coward only knew Edwards was a witness. Mr. Alderdice related Edwards told him the car hit the abutment so hard it was ". . . like it was pulled into it (the abutment)." Good is the only one I can find who mentions a second car.

 

They assert Lee lost only the tip of a finger, if that. Bowers injured the finger at a swimming pool party sponsored by the Green Clinic of Oak Cliff. He had his hand draped over the edge of the pool. Someone jumped into the water feet first crushing the finger against the side of the pool.

At the time of the injury Lee was the Green Clinic's bookkeeper. Family members gather Lee had his finger treated at the clinic by Doctor Tim Richard Green. Green graduated from the University of Texas, Baylor College of Medicine. He practiced general surgery and treated this type of injury previously. The damage appears minor as no one including Rishel remembers which finger Lee injured.

>>>So, here we have strong circumstantial evidence Lee "did" lose at least part of a finger. <<<

All the conflicting stories confused me. I decided to contact Charles Good again and telephoned him on the evening of June 17, 1992. I will paraphrase our conversation.

Perry: When we spoke the last time you said you investigated the accident, is that correct?

Good: Yes

Perry: Were you acting officially as a member of the Texas Highway Patrol?

Good: No, in fact I don't think I went to the scene until the next day.

Perry: Did you interview anyone?

Good: Yes, there was a man working in a field near the scene.

Perry: Do you know the man's name?

Good: No, but he was either repairing fences or working on a fence in a field near the scene.

Perry: Was he riding a tractor? Good: No, but this was the next day, he may have been driving a tractor when the accident happened.

Perry: Can you tell me what the man said?

Good: He said he, "Saw two cars coming down the road. Then he turned away, heard a crash and looked back. One car had run into a concrete abutment and the other kept on going."

Perry: Did the man interpret this as suspicious?

Good: No

Perry: Did the man describe the color of either car to you?

Good: No, I never asked about the color of either car.

Perry: Did you ever hear of Roy Edwards?

Good: No

Perry: I believe that was the man you spoke to.

Good: Ok, but I don't remember his name.

Perry: Did you ever hear of Walter Rishel?

Good: No

Perry: Do you remember if Lee ever lost a finger?

Good: I don't remember Lee losing a finger but I think he cut a finger on a table saw. He came into the Lockwood Pharmacy one time with a finger bandaged. I don't think Dr. Cinnamon was there at the time. Doris Burns and I asked him about it.

Perry: Just before Lee injured his finger, did he disappear for a couple of days?

Good: Absolutely not.

Perry: Do you recall how long before Lee's death he injured his finger?

Good: I can't remember exactly.

Back to the program. Since the reporter had discovered in Rishel a friend of both Lee and Monty, why not get an "expert" opinion on Lee's death? Rishel quickly obliged.

>>> "He contends that shortly after Lee died he was in Monty's office. He (Monty) was very upset because the insurance company had refused to pay the claim. I can't recall too vividly but I believe that Monty felt that the insurance company did not believe that the death was accidental." <<<

Walter Rishel is correct on this point.

>>>The insurance company did not want to make good on the claim immediately. <<<

Monty Bower's widow tells me Monty had to deal with >>>the insurance adjuster's belief that it was no accident.<<< The company thought it was a suicide. !!!

 

Lee obtained an accident/health/life policy within a year of his death. The insurance company was investigating under the "suicide clause" contained in the policy.

"Permissible provisions. State laws permit insurers to include policy restrictions for suicide, aviation and war. A suicide restriction is included in nearly every ordinary life policy. An aviation exclusion seldom is found and the war clause is contained in policies issued during war or threat of war."

"Suicide. If the insured commits suicide within two years (one year, in some policies) from the inception of the policy, the liability of the insurer is limited to a return of premiums. Insurers, in the absence of this clause, would be subject to severe adverse selection."

At this point, Geraldo's brother Craig declares, "Bowers also told his minister that he had seen more than he told publicly." To learn the name of this individual, I checked the Bowers' obituary. The item appeared in the Dallas Times Herald, August 10, 1966 on page 12C.

"Funeral services . . . were to be held at 3 p.m. Wednesday at the Casa View Methodist Church. The Rev. Willfred Bailey was to officiate at the services."

>>>Funeral services the very next day AFTER Lee Bower's death?<<< 

Anyone here ever see such a rushed service? Less that 24 hours after a death? A suspicious death at that?

Local researcher Dr. David Murph interviewed Reverend Will Bailey. Coincidentally, David Murph is a minister who has known Rev. Bailey for several years. The two talked June 11, 1992.

Rev. Bailey commented, "Lee did discuss that day with me. He said he saw movement behind the fence. He believed something was going on, but he never got more specific than that. He did not share with me any more than he shared with the Warren Commission."

We return to the studio where Geraldo is questioning Craig. Geraldo asks, "If Lee Bowers' death was not accidental what was it? Joining me now . . . Craig Rivera. What was it?"

Craig Rivera responds, "We don't really know because the death certificate is missing!"

Craig is guilty of inaccurate reporting. The death certificate is not missing. Anyone can obtain a copy as I did by visiting Dallas City Hall, filling out an application and paying a fee of nine dollars.

Geraldo continues, "What about the official autopsy?"

Craig answers, "There is no autopsy either!"

No autopsy? Again, here is the life insurance company trying to get out of paying Bowers widow any death benefits by saying his death was a suicide? Wouldn't an autopsy be required in such a claim dispute?

A local justice Of The Peace just simply said an autopsy on Bowers "wasn't needed" despite state law that required such if the death was a violent one?

WHAT?

Wouldn't Bowers life insured benefit assignees demand an autopsy to counter Bower's life insurance company denying his claim because of a ridiculous suicide finding?

Hello!   Huge red flag there.

He managed to get that right but for the wrong reason. If he read the death certificate he would discover an autopsy never took place. "Multiple head and internal injuries" caused Lee's death. The statute requires an autopsy for deaths by violent or unnatural means (i.e. gunshot). The Justice of the Peace reviewed the evidence and felt an autopsy was unnecessary.

Remember how Rishel claimed Bowers said he noticed two men shooting at Kennedy? There is yet another version of this story! In 1967 another friend and fellow employee of Bowers, James R. Sterling gave a statement to Gary Sanders of Jim Garrison's staff. Sterling said Bowers ". . . observed two men running from behind the fence. They ran up to a car parked behind the Pergola, opened the trunk and placed something in it and then closed the trunk. The two men then drove the car away in somewhat of a peculiar method." In this rendition, no mention is made that Bowers witnessed the actual shooting.

Mark Lane asserted Warren Commission counsel Joseph Ball interrupted Bowers ". . . as he was about to give that (additional) information" about what he saw. Many individuals forget Mark Lane interviewed Lee Bowers on March 31, 1966. What additional important detail did Lane get from Lee that the Commission did not?

"He was not sure as to what it was (that caught his attention), but he believed it was ...a puff of smoke or flash of light."...

That's exactly what Bowers told Mark Lane in the interview.

And if you read Bowers Warren Commission testimony you can clearly see that his questioner did indeed cut off Bowers from saying anything more than just seeing a commotion. So obvious Bowers was purposely cut off.

 

In the end, Monty Bowers concluded Lee's allergies contributed to his death. Both Monty and Lee had severe allergies and were prone to fits of sneezing. They took antihistamines that provided little relief. Monty told representatives of the insurance company his allergies bothered him that day. He assumed Lee experienced similar symptoms. Could it be, Lee took antihistamines, dozed off and struck the abutment? Is it possible a sneezing fit caused him to loose control of the vehicle?

In my view the answer is YES.

HA! What a RIDICULOUS hypothesis!

I will modify my opinion when someone comes forward with verifiable facts to the contrary.

 

Allergy reaction? Bowers sneezing so hard he simply lost control of his car and didn't even pull back on the accelerator even a little from 50 miles per hour speed while having the sneezing fit of his life?

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Kevin Balch said:

Here’s one investigation of the Bowers death that includes the death certificate but apparently the source is unreliable according to some on the forum.

http://dperry1943.com/bowers.html

What did Bowers see that was so dangerous? Why did the clean up squad wait two years after he testified to the Warren Commission to silence him? Big backlog of witnesses to eliminate?

Could be that the publicity of Bower's willing participation with Mark Lane including a live interview in Lane's well shown documentary 
Rush To Judgement" may have spooked the nefarious powers to be into considering Bower's and other things he may have seen but kept private as a serious threat.

Bower's was provenly threatened, up until his death. If it was true that he was threatened to the point of a finger loss, everything makes more sense as to why he was murdered. 

No autopsy and a quick cremation made no sense. Bower's had a wife. Maybe even parents? You would think that they may have wanted more than a day or two to decided what to do with his broken body?

Any close loving relative may have at least considered a church service and physical burial, wouldn't you think?

My common sense can't buy the scenario of a shocked and grieving Bowers's widow and his other surviving family members so quickly telling a mortuary "burn him" and in just a day or two after their shocking loss.

6 hours ago, Robert Reeves said:

Hi, would anyone say the man stood to the left of this Lansdale looking male's shoulder is Asian in appearance? not a good pic, I know.

Now THAT is a very poor quality pic. I can't make even a guess as to the man's ethnicity.

Martin Balsam?

Whoever brought the Bower's missing finger story into the public realm in the first place? And why? It's such an odd and seemingly meaningless anecdote.

The story would not have made anyone who proposed it any money.

Was Bower cremated as quickly as they say? If so...why?

If there was an official autopsy and report, wouldn't a pathologist have noticed and mentioned in their report a missing or even partially missing finger?

The car Bowers was driving was brand new and owned by his employer...yes?

For insurance property loss and liability purposes alone wouldn't Bower's employer want a thorough investigation into this incongruous, single car mid-morning obliteration of their car and Bowers himself?

 Whether the accident was alcohol related or drug or suicide caused. Did the company insurance policy on their car provide any death benefit to Bower's wife?

It makes sense that Bower's employer and their insurance company would want a more thorough investigation ( especially an autopsy with blood tests ) than there was.

55 minutes ago, Matt Allison said:

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/shots-fired-trump-rally-donald-trump-rushed-off-stage/GRXLQ67PEVDPDKDPNNE3AEGMGU/

 

"11 Investigates has learned that four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president’s motorcade yesterday suffered minor injuries during the shooting.

The four motorcycle officers were part of Donald Trump’s escort to and from the rally in Butler.

Sources tell Chief Investigator Rick Earle the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out. The four officers suffered minor injuries from flying debris caused by the bullets.

Sources say the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby.

They were treated at the scene. They were okay to escort Trump back to the airport in Pittsburgh last night after he was treated at Butler Memorial Hospital."

 

What? Another shooting? Before or after the rally one?

You've got to be kidding me.

2 hours ago, Jean Ceulemans said:

A lot of those old pictures are indeed very good, usually made by newsmen, they had the high quality gear.  

But IMO the pictures we have questions about, are often the lower grade ones, or the ones only showing parts, or showing persons located in an area of the photo that´s out of focus.

What I´m trying to say is that if the tramp-picture showed Lansdale more frontal he was probably identified a long time ago.  

And I agree that person sure has the looks of Lansdale from what´s visible, I´m just not sure what AI would make of this partial capture.

 

I'd sure like to see someone use this technology for the 11,22,1963 Dealey Plaza crowd.

In Ms. Kashmir Hill's "Your Face Belongs To Us" book she doesn't elucidate your degree of skepticism regards FRT having a real low identification success rate with older photos versus great resolution ones of today.

I would say most of internet photos depicting Lansdale ( going back 60 years! ) are pretty damn sharp. Even relative to the advancements of today's equipment.

FR tech is not as hindered as you say in this way imo.

Photos taken of JFK back 60 years ago are remarkedly vivid and sharp.

Now, an old family photo from a cheap camera back in those days ( instamatic?) would truly qualify as difficult to match up as you say. We have many...and they are as crappy as can be.

 

4 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

I've been saying this for the past couple of years.

What if 60+ years after 11,22,1963 we can possibly verify with absolute scientific proof some facts about the JFKA that could change the entire story completely...and prove a conspiracy?

Facial Recognition Technology "is" now so advanced and accurate that it is time to scan many of the Dealey Plaza faces of suspicion caught on film that day that heretofore could only be speculated about in the most gut-wrenching frustrating way?

Have any of our members read any of the recent books investigating and exposing the true threat of this new technology and how far it has advanced and how it's advancement could result in the greatest risk to constitutional rights to privacy ever?

I believe "Human Gait" recognition technology has also developed to a highly accurate degree of success. The Chinese have really gone all out in this field.

I believe combining human gait and facial recognition we could once and for all prove the 3 tramp walk-by suited man in Dealey Plaza on 11,22,1963 photo does indeed show this person to be Edward Lansdale.

I believe we currently have the scientific know how to scan every face in 1963 Dealey Plaza and identify them all.

Isn't it finally time we started using AI in the JFKA research field.

I also think scanning faces present in the Los Angeles Ambassador Hotel Embassy Room both before and after RFK was gunned down in the pantry there on the evening of June 5th, 1968 might very well produce some block buster discoveries.

According to the following investigative work however, there are a lot of nefarious entities controlling the use of FR technology. It wouldn't be a surprise that these entities may block any bomb shell revelations that may come out regarding the JFKA.

kashmirhill.com

https://www.kashmirhill.com/bio

Bio — Kashmir Hill

WEBKashmir Hill is a tech reporter at The New York Times and the author of YOUR FACE BELONGS TO US. She writes about the unexpected and sometimes ominous ways technology is changing our lives, particularly …

 

 

I have read about and pondered many times the debunking reviews of Fletcher Prouty's claims of Lansdale being the 3 tramp walk-by man in Dealey Plaza on 11,22,1963. As well as the Marine General Victor Krulak letter Prouty said agreed with his Lansdale ID assessment.

I've looked at as many photos I could find ( and there are a lot ) of Lansdale taken over decades. Front view, side view and partial or full back-side rear views.

Younger age to older age.

I'm no scientifically educated person who through photos alone could say with 100% certainty whether one photo can be identified to be one and the same person relative to other photos. Especially a back-side view one.

However, my 72 years lifetime acquired common sense tells me the 3 tramp man is Lansdale.

I have asked myself if I could ever identify someone I knew or worked closely around for years ( maybe even decades ) by seeing a back side view photo of them. Especially one that so fully displays their full body walking gait.

Like the 3 Tramp photo.

I feel certain I could.

Woman, man, young and old.

I would also recognize their usual dress. Their hair cuts. Their neck length and head shape. Shoulder width. Over-all height, leg shape and length.

The 3 Tramp man is displaying a slight but still clear "bowed out leg structure." Which you can see viewing many full body pics of Lansdale. Lansdale was clearly bow-legged.

 

 

Dallas was political big shot central that weekend. Besides JFK and LBJ, Nixon was there, Hoover too ( I believe ) and maybe even G.H.W Bush, who in the least was in Texas that weekend. General Edwin Walker lived there!

Lansdale was an unknown to 99.9% of Americans at that time.

I don't think he would feel at risk being close by simply because of his generally unknown public status.

 

 

I've been saying this for the past couple of years.

What if 60+ years after 11,22,1963 we can possibly verify with absolute scientific proof some revelatory facts about the JFKA that could change the entire story completely...and prove a conspiracy?

Facial Recognition Technology "is" now so advanced and accurate that it is time to scan many of the Dealey Plaza faces of suspicion caught on film that day that heretofore could only be speculated about in the most gut-wrenching frustrating way?

Have any of our members read any of the recent books investigating and exposing the true threat of this new technology and how far it has advanced and how it's advancement could result in the greatest risk to constitutional rights to privacy ever?

I believe "Human Gait" recognition technology has also developed to a highly accurate degree of success. The Chinese have really gone all out in this field.

I believe combining human gait and facial recognition we could once and for all prove the 3 tramp walk-by suited man in Dealey Plaza on 11,22,1963 photo does indeed show this person to be Edward Lansdale.

I believe we currently have the scientific know how to scan every face in 1963 Dealey Plaza and identify them all.

Isn't it finally time we started using AI in the JFKA research field.

I also think scanning faces present in the Los Angeles Ambassador Hotel Embassy Room both before and after RFK was gunned down in the pantry there on the evening of June 5th, 1968 might very well produce some block buster discoveries.

According to the following investigative work however, there are a lot of nefarious entities controlling the use of FR technology. It wouldn't be a surprise that these entities may block any bomb shell revelations that may come out regarding the JFKA.

 

 

On 11/25/2008 at 6:53 AM, Linda Minor said:

Sterling,

I studied your books several years ago, primarily because of my interest in the Texan Robert B. Anderson. Do you have any theories about who he really was--or who he represented--and why he was chosen to go with Lansdale to the Philippines? Any thoughts at all about his role? Below see Robert Anderson's name in the lower right quadrant on a 1953A U.S. bank note.

On 3/6/2024 at 10:16 AM, W. Niederhut said:

In any case, I was somewhat surprised recently to hear a JFK researcher deny that there was anything suspicious about all of these untimely deaths-- including those of Dorothy Killgallen, Rose Cheramie, Lee Bowers, Mary Pinchot Meyer, William Sullivan, Sam Giancana, George De Mohrenschildt, et.al.

      One of the most obvious was the "Omerta" murder of Giancana on the night before his scheduled meeting with members of Congress, almost simultaneous with DeMohrenschildt's "suicide" before his Congressional testimony.

All of those deaths above so illogically explained versus each person's personal health condition and age its ridiculous to dismiss even a third of them as simple natural event flukes.

David Ferrie's morbid suicide shouts suspicion and /or in the least reveals a man driven to kill himself versus dealing with the consequences of his being forced to tell the truth of his CIA life.

Testifying to the senate select committee was the "Black Hand " "Kiss of Death" for too many who all died during this.

Giancana, Johnny Roselli, De Mohrenschildts, etc. Wild Bill Harvey died just two months before his great friend Johnny Roselli. Hoffa met his maker around that time period also.

2 hours ago, David McLean said:

At a Lancer conference about 15 years ago , I bought a book purporting to explain the crash to Bowers having a severe allergic reaction, plus some testimony from the nearby farmer raising no suspicious of a second vehicle (by memory).

Having never heard of an allergy-induced single car crash, and against circumstantial evidence re the JFKA, I tentatively concluded that his murder was unproven but possible given what we strongly believe he witnessed.

Who wrote that book you read D. McLean?

Sure didn't catch on in the JFKA research community did it?

Wouldn't a first responding medical doctor had caught some sign of an allergic reaction? Flushed face, histamine release, heart damage released chemical such as troponin present?

The big bombshell in Bowers story is him saying to Mark Lane, that at the time of the shooting something unusual caught his attention at the grassy knoll top area. A flash of light...a puff of smoke.

I just watched this interview again. Bowers described this so calmly and matter of factly. Oliver Stone made sure this interview quote was the highlight of his Bower character dialogue. Plus a scene showing him being lifted dead out of a car.

Then this cherry blossom.

Mark Lane asked Bowers if he mentioned his flash of light or smoke seeing observation at the time of the shooting to the Warren Commission. Bowers said he started to and right in the middle of telling this observation ... his Warren Commission questioner cut him off and changed the subject?

Talk about a purposeful misdirection red flag!

Bower and his testimony and odd death at just 41 on a sunny morning in a new car into a highway structure and only drinking coffee minutes earlier is really one of the most Warren Commission integrity impugning important ones imo.

18 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Before we go much further into this, didn't we do it in the last year or two?  Was some of this covered earlier in the thread?  Let's reiterate.  His wife after he died stated words to the effect of they told him to quit talking, but he didn't.  The only investigation of the accident was by a friend of Bowers who just happened to be a Texas Department Public Safety Officer, the DPS, they patrol the highways in Texas and investigate accidents on them.  He went to the wrecking yard where Bowers car was towed, he observed paint marks and I believe dents in the drivers side of the car.  He interviewed the farmer in the field fixing fence along side the road.  The farmer noticed one car passing by following another, after they went by he heard a crash seeing the front car crashed into the bridge abutment and the rear car going on down the road.

There you go. Case closed. Bowers was murdered...and we all know it. 

 

Just a two hour rereading of the Lee Bowers story including his car crash death I was reminded how outrageously Warren Commission threatening it all was.

Learning of Bowers early and young adult life one cannot impugn his character and integrity.

Texas born and raised. Joined the Navy at 16 or 17. Did his time honorably during the war. Gets out and does part time building trade work and goes to college. Eventually getting a 4 year degree.

He gets a job with the railroad company and works for them for 15 years! Apparently no disciplinary problems all that time. His position is a responsible one. Tower/Traffic operator.

Is there a documented history bio of Bowers that exposes any negative or bad character traits? I sure can't find one.

He testifies to the Warren Commission and his testimony comes across as very reasonable and intelligent. He doesn't exaggerate or embellish.

Bowers describes unusual persons and actions he saw in his great 14 foot high Tower seat over-view. Including the entire car parking lot, all the way up to the tree covered grassy knoll picket fence. 

Two men (neither railroad men ) one middle aged on the heavy side with black pants and white shirt, the other young in age wearing a checkered shirt or jacket.

According to Bowers, these two appeared not to be together even though they were no more 15 feet between them at times.

The dress of these two men and their ages suggest an odd if not suspicious pairing just to be that close by each other.

And where do they decide to stand around in the minutes before and right up to the shooting?

"Behind" the canopy of trees on the top of the knoll and behind the picket fence?

Unless they were agency men, what rational, innocent person would choose to place themselves in such an obstructed view location of the motorcade?

I love Bowers description of the sound of the shots he heard.

Table knock bam...pause...then Bam/Bam!

Bowers said these were "three separate shots."

He even mentioned hearing "reverberations" after these shots as separate sounds which countered any proposition that one of the shots was an echo.

Joseph A. Ball: Did you hear anything?

Lee Bowers: I heard three shots. One, then a slight pause, then two very close together. Also reverberation from the shots.

The Commission questioners must have had a noogie moment there.

Bowers was a good and committed employee. Intelligent enough to transition to a management level job with a development company after leaving the Rail Road position.

Bowers was a beloved brother. He was married. 

Now, he had this apparent blackout at the wheel of his brand new company car just minutes after leaving a local diner and having a cup of coffee. It's a sunny morning. A local farm owner who was doing fence repair close to the highway stated to the police he saw Bowers car followed closely by another and both cars were doing only 50 MPH ( slower than normal according to this witness ) when he noticed them.

This farm worker person obviously worked in this area more than this one time and imo it's reasonable to assume he was used to seeing traffic on the close by highway. He would have a good estimate of the speed of the cars.

The fence repair man sees these two cars next to each other, looks away for a few seconds and then hears a crash and looks up to see the other car next to Bowers car speed away. Wouldn't they stop to help?

Too many varied medical reports to believe any of them clearly over the others.

Reports of doctors attending to Bowers noticing him in a strange trance before he died ring as true to me as much as not.

These nothing unusual reports can be made up just as easily as something more nefarious.

Bower's brother Monty contradicts himself. Says he and Lee suffered from allergies and thinks his brother Lee went into a sneezing fit and with no braking doing 50 mph simply lost control of his car? Please.

Bower's' closest friends are dismissed as kind of no nothing dummies.

A missing finger or partial missing finger story is accepted as much as dismissed.

The highway was a North Texas out there one.

What are the odds that Lee Bowers would lose control just close enough to an overhanging cement structure when these were probably miles apart on that stretch. Miles of open land roadside in between.

Bowers was just 41 when he died? No medical history of heart problems, fainting, blackouts. He was not suicidal. He did not have a heart attack. His body is cremated in just two days?

Shades of the Henry Marshall quick cremation murder.